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Though nutella seems a bit less in your face then she was in Upick and other recent games, so i'd say that's a bad look. Though she's busy so I'd not want to lynch her yet and she's exhibiting some civ meta.

linki: Agreed

But her changing her mind a lot doesn't really matter in this situation, since she said herself that she responded while having a light suspicion on speed. Anyway, yeah ok I listen to what my scumleans say/think aswell, but it does read to me like you think he's town since he MUST be town to be genuinely "onto something".

Hmm

If it helps nova vanished in another game I'm playing though I don't know his alignment there.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:21 pm Though nutella seems a bit less in your face then she was in Upick and other recent games, so i'd say that's a bad look. Though she's busy so I'd not want to lynch her yet and she's exhibiting some civ meta.

linki: Agreed

Wanna specify? I think you're likely town and have more meta than I do, so your opinion matters to me

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:21 pm Though nutella seems a bit less in your face then she was in Upick and other recent games, so i'd say that's a bad look. Though she's busy so I'd not want to lynch her yet and she's exhibiting some civ meta.

linki: Agreed

Wanna specify? I think you're likely town and have more meta than I do, so your opinion matters to me

Sorry didn't mean to double-post..

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:08 pm I agree with DDL on the lap votes and I'm gonna [VOTE: dom] aubergine for now since there's at least somewhat of a case on him. I would vote for speed if anyone wanted to join me but it seems unlikely.

Bleck, but it's not even a case. It's more of one than "lap's not posting," but hardly.

I don't want to vote for either of the two highest vote-getters currently - feels icky, although people have been moving off of lap (okay, now as I've been writing it's 2 for 2 nutella and lap). But votes everywhere! I'll vote nutella - it's the best chance to even things up, and I don't like her vote. (Not to say I like others' votes either, but so it goes.) Sorry I'm voting for you at work, though! You are beautiful and delicious no matter what.

Also I'm hungry and need to eat, so.

Linki - Can I vote King Ramses? Gahhhh AND LET ME POSSSSSSST

Btw, i agree with Sig that Dom's small pop-in defending himself didn't feel great, so based on that I wouldn't be against him dying, but I think I still prefer Nutella at this point.

Fractal wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:25 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:21 pm Though nutella seems a bit less in your face then she was in Upick and other recent games, so i'd say that's a bad look. Though she's busy so I'd not want to lynch her yet and she's exhibiting some civ meta.

linki: Agreed

Wanna specify? I think you're likely town and have more meta than I do, so your opinion matters to me

She seems a bit scattered with her reads right now, which is something that I recall civ nutella doing earlier on. However, she's not posted enough for me to get a good grasp of her.

Yeah did a quick ISO skim of nutella, GTH she's civ.

Hmm I just ISO'd nutella and don't feel so good. She feels detatched.

Dom is saying some things that make me feel bad but the way he's shitting on Sig's logic reminds me of the Champions game where he was a civ. Dom is just stubborn like that.

Does nobody else see the duplicity in colin’s Reasoning for voting lap?

He said he flipped a coin between someone with 1 post and someone without a post to their name, and when lap did show up he expressed his reasoning being because she hadn’t posted.

So that coinflip was less than honest then

Ties are fun

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:33 pm Hmm I just ISO'd nutella and don't feel so good. She feels detatched.

Dom is saying some things that make me feel bad but the way he's shitting on Sig's logic reminds me of the Champions game where he was a civ. Dom is just stubborn like that.

But, he said just the one thing, usually he'd be more present. Like we got into a giant fight day 1 last game we played because we both scum read each other. But, here he didn't get worked up at all, which leads me to believe he's mafia maybe and just can't work himself up into getting stubborn since he knows we're right?

I felt the exact opposite on nutella :rip

Like it's not so much that Nutella is flip-flopping it's likie she doesn't really care that much. She's relaxed and is not pushing her opinions so hard. Nutella isn't really an aggressive person but she is a really more opionated from I remember.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:33 pm Does nobody else see the duplicity in colin’s Reasoning for voting lap?

He said he flipped a coin between someone with 1 post and someone without a post to their name, and when lap did show up he expressed his reasoning being because she hadn’t posted.

So that coinflip was less than honest then

My reason for putting lap in that category was because she hadn’t posted. The “coinflip” was arbitrary. It was a prod, not a death sentence.

And not caring = bad especially if both lap and Dom are civ.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:33 pm Does nobody else see the duplicity in colin’s Reasoning for voting lap?

He said he flipped a coin between someone with 1 post and someone without a post to their name, and when lap did show up he expressed his reasoning being because she hadn’t posted.

So that coinflip was less than honest then

^^^^

I dislike how he's going after low posters


linki: I see what you're saying and that is one thing that stuck out to me, but I thought maybe she just didn't have anyone to clash with.

I actually like this tie.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:36 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:33 pm Does nobody else see the duplicity in colin’s Reasoning for voting lap?

He said he flipped a coin between someone with 1 post and someone without a post to their name, and when lap did show up he expressed his reasoning being because she hadn’t posted.

So that coinflip was less than honest then

My reason for putting lap in that category was because she hadn’t posted. The “coinflip” was arbitrary. It was a prod, not a death sentence.

She was leading in votes 1 hour before the day end. It isn't a death sentence per se but it's the equivalent of putting her in the guillotine and then asking the crowd if they are sure about it.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:30 pm

Fractal wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:25 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:21 pm Though nutella seems a bit less in your face then she was in Upick and other recent games, so i'd say that's a bad look. Though she's busy so I'd not want to lynch her yet and she's exhibiting some civ meta.

linki: Agreed

Wanna specify? I think you're likely town and have more meta than I do, so your opinion matters to me

She seems a bit scattered with her reads right now, which is something that I recall civ nutella doing earlier on. However, she's not posted enough for me to get a good grasp of her.

You mainly referring to the speed read? Because what i suspect is that she was gonna scumread him but accidentally implied he was town in a post because she knew he was. It doesn't really read to me as directly scatterbrained? That was her explanation when called out on it but it doesn't really read like that to me.
Do you mean any other read being scatterbrained?

I don't have strong enough feelings about this tie enough to break it so I'm aubergining long con to avoid nisisnf the lunch

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:26 pm Linki - Can I vote King Ramses? Gahhhh AND LET ME POSSSSSSST

This portion of Bloopers posts give me the pings are you Ramses?


linki: Yeah mainly the speed thing, let me go reread the exchange again real fast

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:39 pm I don't have strong enough feelings about this tie enough to break it so I'm aubergining long con to avoid nisisnf the lunch

What do you mean?

Did the thread die? o.o

Interesting looks like it did, I'm slightly nervous with Nutella saying she has a super good civ role and we shouldn't lynch her, but at the same time I do see what DDL/Fractal are saying.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:50 pm Interesting looks like it did, I'm slightly nervous with Nutella saying she has a super good civ role and we shouldn't lynch her, but at the same time I do see what DDL/Fractal are saying.

Yeeeah, but it's not like we can eventually claim the roles anyway, so it feels like a safe move to stay that as scum too knowing there's nothing to lose by saying it.

I agree it's scary though

Fractal wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:42 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:39 pm I don't have strong enough feelings about this tie enough to break it so I'm aubergining long con to avoid nisisnf the lunch

What do you mean?

missing the vote, i don't want that

to say that as scum*

Fractal wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:51 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:50 pm Interesting looks like it did, I'm slightly nervous with Nutella saying she has a super good civ role and we shouldn't lynch her, but at the same time I do see what DDL/Fractal are saying.

Yeeeah, but it's not like we can eventually claim the roles anyway, so it feels like a safe move to stay that as scum too knowing there's nothing to lose by saying it.

I agree it's scary though

Yeah which is the issue with the ominous claiming, it's something that's NAI since both mafia and town would do it.

I'm still feeling the Dom vote, but some of the other reasons for it are a bit weak and I mainly was trying to stop a Lap wagon. LEt me look at a few more things real quick and I'll be back.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:52 pm

Fractal wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:42 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:39 pm I don't have strong enough feelings about this tie enough to break it so I'm aubergining long con to avoid nisisnf the lunch

What do you mean?

missing the vote, i don't want that

Missing to vote at all or..?

I think every town should vote between the 2 top wagons or scum is gonna have more control over it in case there's a scum in those 2

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:36 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:33 pm Does nobody else see the duplicity in colin’s Reasoning for voting lap?

He said he flipped a coin between someone with 1 post and someone without a post to their name, and when lap did show up he expressed his reasoning being because she hadn’t posted.

So that coinflip was less than honest then

^^^^

I dislike how he's going after low posters


linki: I see what you're saying and that is one thing that stuck out to me, but I thought maybe she just didn't have anyone to clash with.

It’s not just that’s he’s going after low posters- I do that plenty- but it’s the way he’s gone about it that seems easy

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:27 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:22 pm I don’t really understand the rationale behind a random vote or the endorsement of it by other players.

Statistically, if you look at the odds of a properly balanced mafia game, Town wins by randomization and roles more often than they do if hunting. The latter is susceptible to being fooled. The former is not.

However, odds of victory do not matter. We are here to play mafia, not roulette. Victory means nothing if we didn't hunt it down and strangle it.

Town loses more often than not if we RNG every vote.

I've ran a simulation of that before.

(actually catching up now)

Chances of town winning a common vanilla game by RNG'ing are something close to 30%. For the game to be balanced and get closer to the 50%, it takes actual scumhunting.

I'm leaving my vote on Dom looking over them both they look equally as scummy, which is a bit of a cop out yeah, but Dom's pinging me/gut bad while not contributing much.

While Nutella is gut good, but has questionable posts. Mainly looking at the Speed ones and where DDL is coming from.
One thing I do dislike about the nutella wagon is how fast it appeared when we had the lap v. Dom. Out of the three I'd say one is mafia for sure.

I do dislike how little they both seem to care about getting lynched though.

Especially Dom since he was here when he had votes he just brushed the reasoning off and voted for the counterwagon. Which isn't the civviest of behaviors

I'm also eyeing everyone who voted after the tie for a random player and even those who voted before they completely avoided wagonomics for the phase.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:58 pm I'm leaving my vote on Dom looking over them both they look equally as scummy, which is a bit of a cop out yeah, but Dom's pinging me/gut bad while not contributing much.

While Nutella is gut good, but has questionable posts. Mainly looking at the Speed ones and where DDL is coming from.
One thing I do dislike about the nutella wagon is how fast it appeared when we had the lap v. Dom. Out of the three I'd say one is mafia for sure.

I do dislike how little they both seem to care about getting lynched though.

Would you still think 1 of the 3 that followed me onto nutella is mafia if Nutella is mafia? Because i don't really follow that reasoning.

And regardless of that, how is the speed of a wagon and the alignment of the person getting wagoned connected?

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:01 pm I'm also eyeing everyone who voted after the tie for a random player and even those who voted before they completely avoided wagonomics for the phase.

Agreed, especially if they both end up town, then scum often doesn't care or sit off-wagon to not take any blame for the town lynch that happens

Welp hope I don't die but if I do I blame myself sorry town for playing like shit today lol, bad timing on my end

Fractal wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:02 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:58 pm I'm leaving my vote on Dom looking over them both they look equally as scummy, which is a bit of a cop out yeah, but Dom's pinging me/gut bad while not contributing much.

While Nutella is gut good, but has questionable posts. Mainly looking at the Speed ones and where DDL is coming from.
One thing I do dislike about the nutella wagon is how fast it appeared when we had the lap v. Dom. Out of the three I'd say one is mafia for sure.

I do dislike how little they both seem to care about getting lynched though.

Would you still think 1 of the 3 that followed me onto nutella is mafia if Nutella is mafia? Because i don't really follow that reasoning.

And regardless of that, how is the speed of a wagon and the alignment of the person getting wagoned connected?

Sorry i meant one of the three wagons.

If nutella flips mafia id say everyone on her wagon is high on my town list same with the Dom voters. Since in a game this size I doubt teammates would bandwagon.

I'd say scum driven wagons to save teammates tend to form faster. So if Dom is mafia the speed at which the nutella wagon formed would look bad. If that makes sense?

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Oh crap, I meant to come back before the deadline but I forgot.

Fractal wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:53 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:52 pm

Fractal wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:42 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:39 pm I don't have strong enough feelings about this tie enough to break it so I'm aubergining long con to avoid nisisnf the lunch

What do you mean?

missing the vote, i don't want that

Missing to vote at all or..?

I think every town should vote between the 2 top wagons or scum is gonna have more control over it in case there's a scum in those 2

I agree with you in all cases except when the specific purpose of your vote placement is to maintain the tie temporarily or otherwise.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:04 pm

Fractal wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:02 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:58 pm I'm leaving my vote on Dom looking over them both they look equally as scummy, which is a bit of a cop out yeah, but Dom's pinging me/gut bad while not contributing much.

While Nutella is gut good, but has questionable posts. Mainly looking at the Speed ones and where DDL is coming from.
One thing I do dislike about the nutella wagon is how fast it appeared when we had the lap v. Dom. Out of the three I'd say one is mafia for sure.

I do dislike how little they both seem to care about getting lynched though.

Would you still think 1 of the 3 that followed me onto nutella is mafia if Nutella is mafia? Because i don't really follow that reasoning.

And regardless of that, how is the speed of a wagon and the alignment of the person getting wagoned connected?

Sorry i meant one of the three wagons.

If nutella flips mafia id say everyone on her wagon is high on my town list same with the Dom voters. Since in a game this size I doubt teammates would bandwagon.

I'd say scum driven wagons to save teammates tend to form faster. So if Dom is mafia the speed at which the nutella wagon formed would look bad. If that makes sense?

Yeah that makes sense i guess. Even if i think counterwagons can often materialize pretty quickly regardless of if the wagon is on scum or town, because close to EoD townies need to get a counterwagon up quickly aswell if they wanna save the other person getting lynched for example.

Question: Does the thread not lock as night?

Nope we get night chat here.

So no 24 hour break :P