The Syndicate

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:20 pm I guess Nanook does have SR's via PoE

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:02 am Idek who’s left to be mafia, LC/cass/alison? Sure that works

tell me more about these guys when you came back please

-/-/-/-

I like Hally exploring the same avenues as me. Tho i feel like it was pretty telegraphed what direction I was thinking to go with after my catch up. So im not above thinking scum!Hally read into that to appear to be on my side.

They exist. They aren’t/weren’t in my townreads.

Fin.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:10 pm i guess a better way to word this is:

im sort of familiar with macdougall's personality at this point, from having played multiple games with him and seeing him as both alignmetns, and i guess for some reasons i believe i can "sense" him and my "senses" tell me he is town. whether or not my senses are full of shit is up to debate!

its really not something u can put to words. im sorry, i know this sucks for u as a player who hasnt played that many games with us, i hope u dont feel like an outsider or something, but, its just the truth about how i feel!

nah i completely get this and something you just gotta account for when people have already played several times with the same players. It's just gut feeling sometimes. You may or may not be wrong but I am willing to trust you and chardonnay's read. But I guess my question now is, are we making it too hard for the mafia? We are like honorary cops, right? Are we going to be mod banned for making it too town sided, I am worried tutuu.

This is a bit off-topic, feel free to skip but I've been playing voice chat mafia for a while and sometimes I think it's actually not fun to have easy to read town players which is why I offset the game balance by sometimes not trying my best as town in order to give mafia a chance of winning?? I don't know but I always found town sweeps extremely boring which is why I don't like going 100% as town unless its like lylo but maybe I'm just throwing not playing my best. I don't know, maybe the community I play mafia with don't have enough pog mafia alignment players haha or I am just jaded doing the same old easy reads with the same old players and jaded that that's happening to me when I'm town so I switch it up so the game is more difficult... I guess this is why I enjoy playing with complete strangers where I get to DISCOVER their town range and mafia range. Don't know what I'm saying, thanks for reading lmao.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:04 am

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:20 pm I guess Nanook does have SR's via PoE

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:02 am Idek who’s left to be mafia, LC/cass/alison? Sure that works

tell me more about these guys when you came back please

-/-/-/-

I like Hally exploring the same avenues as me. Tho i feel like it was pretty telegraphed what direction I was thinking to go with after my catch up. So im not above thinking scum!Hally read into that to appear to be on my side.

They exist. They aren’t/weren’t in my townreads.

Fin.

So if I town read Mac for his low effort list of reads, why am I not town reading this quote.... Because I'm not being townread...? Hmmmm, I don't know Nanook can you gimme something to work with?

chardonnay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:50 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:34 pm I mean I was serious when I said I won't tolerate your behavior past page 5

also everyone should vote chardonnay because everything they've done and said has been incredibly forced, awkward and hedgey

I look forward to Ob!towning the daylights out of you later then

-/-/-/-

I am town reading Alison.

I like Hally trying to break up Alison and Tutuu. Not strong town points, but better then nothing.

HE CALLED IT! PROPHET

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:26 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:46 am

chardonnay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:50 pm I look forward to Ob!towning the daylights out of you later then

what does this mean?

It means my green shows stronger the longer the game goes on.

PROPHET!

1612 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:08 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:04 am

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:20 pm I guess Nanook does have SR's via PoE

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:02 am Idek who’s left to be mafia, LC/cass/alison? Sure that works

tell me more about these guys when you came back please

-/-/-/-

I like Hally exploring the same avenues as me. Tho i feel like it was pretty telegraphed what direction I was thinking to go with after my catch up. So im not above thinking scum!Hally read into that to appear to be on my side.

They exist. They aren’t/weren’t in my townreads.

Fin.

So if I town read Mac for his low effort list of reads, why am I not town reading this quote.... Because I'm not being townread...? Hmmmm, I don't know Nanook can you gimme something to work with?

I have some empty plastic bottles is that a suitable material?

The actual answer is that I just don’t have that much to offer rn, sorry. I know that sucks and I’ll try to kick it into gear in later days if necessary, but this is what I got rn

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:26 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:46 am

chardonnay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:50 pm I look forward to Ob!towning the daylights out of you later then

what does this mean?

It means my green shows stronger the longer the game goes on.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:00 am

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:52 am Ehh, I feel like maybe my first impression paranoia of Tutuu is non-ai for her.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

How did you come to that assessment?

Also, I don't remember you mentioning LC, can you expound on that?

LC's opener was among the least town looking. So I voted to see how he/others would react since I didn't really have any SRs in the players posting in that moment in time.

-/-/-

Despite having posts and reads out I feel like Ted makes a lot of sense as scum taking advantage of the groundwork town Alison put down.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:28 am I can see you being right about no relevant reads and the handling of you, but I'm not anywhere near as confident in that over chardonnay at the moment.

also chard's vote there was a throw-away vote, so that may tint my read.

He puts a vote out on me then later acts like hes really thinking about it. It makes more sense that he sees descides to SR me from the start when he saw Alison, and Mac were ontop of me.

-/-/-/-/-

Hally early game looks less good on coming back. Kinda feels like besides TuTuu TR shes not done much.

Mac/tutuu is IDK

LC/Tedxter is probably scum. Not necessarily together though.

I've finsihed page 5. I'll try to go faster now.

Well you’re manipulating the time line quite a bit

My play style is to catch-up on posts and reply to them in order, I didn’t and couldn’t have followed other’s scum reads on you because I don’t read the thread in advance and THEN make scum reads.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:34 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:14 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:12 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:08 am I'm not even gonna bother with Mac for now because I have nothing on the guy, just that he's underwhelming

but the assessment of "his pushes were good" when he commented on LC's catchup doesn't seem quite correct, and he's def not town for it

I mean I have the same assessment on LC's catchup so not really sure what other reaction you expect me to have other than "this push is good" when I see him saying the same thing

you can have your takes, but they're still incorrect

especially because Mac likes to pocket people, and mindmelding is probably the easiest tool to do it

okkkayy, I was kinda getting the vibe last page since some of the back and forth was punctuated jokey stuff that your ead there wasnt very serous. But since you are bringing it up agian I am curious the extent Mac is scum to you?

It’s clarified that I don’t have anything scum indicative on Mac and the post you were quoting was more of a “this isn’t a reason to town read Mac” because he has deepwolf potential and his range is big.

I think he’s acting more different than usual, but at this stage I’m not making it out to be something too AI yet.

My read was simply “Mac is not town yet” and I tried refuting the town reads there.

What are your opinion on other players? Are all your other voters town? If you’re town, who do you think is scum trying to mail the yeet in?

I’m very tempted to vote Hally.

I feel like she could’ve TMI’d around 2 slots, early game Alison and chardonnay this time around.

Chardonnay’s reads are twisting the timeline for an omgus that any wolf can do, picking posts that look scummy on surface but don’t actually make someone more likely to flip scum and 2 reads that pertain to “i haven’t seen them do anything townie”

It’s very hard for me to comprehend how him as a town would have the me!take, especially when all of my posts are literally catch-ups in order. I think he’s TMIng me at an expense of a “townie” read, because he’s “thinking about the game”, but in reality, that take doesn’t have the supported evidence and it’s just a fart in the air.

Hally, please explain how chardonnay’s catchup is townie and also why you town read Alison early on, with as much detail as possible.

Also, I don't really like the read on me simply because he's assuming Alison has to be town that was wrong on chardonnay and I am the wolf that took advantage of it, rather than trying to read my post and seeing if it has any scum motive.

He did have an Alison read although he never really explained why further than "they're trying to get out of RVS". I get the feeling alison would be an easy town read for newcomers, so I can't even really pinpoint something AI out of the read.

Fmpov, chardonnay has no problem with me other than the fact that I came at an inopportune time and placed a vote, which seems like something that town shouldn't really have confidence in pursuing. Asking people "what are your thoughts on tedxtr" when your read is "he voted me when Alison did and also Mac" is completely false and circumstantial, he didn't even comment on the reasoning for my vote on him.

Not looking too good here but Hally has now town read two people that have either done nothing or have an extremely wide range and can't remember anything town-worthy to point out about them so I'm kind of stuck between this chardonnay / Hally deal.

I kind of want to assume Hally is just wrong or too eager to give town reads because chardonnay's looking independently wolfy but I think people should put her somewhere in the back of their minds for later on.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:33 pm alison might be town

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:22 pm char seems fine to me now that he’s gotten into the game. i’m not feeling the sus on him anymore

Can you talk about both of these reads? Why'd you have them?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:30 pm Hally town
Char town
1612 town
Ted town
Tutuu town

Gamesolve

these are some terrible reads

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:19 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:07 pm Alison was town and 1612 is also town.
I can't remember any cassowary posts or opinions.
Chardonnay seemed bad but then did something that made me townread them and then Hally echoed that townread in a way that made me think she is also town.
Long Con is mafia cuz everyone says he is.
Nanook is probably town but I have no reason to say it.
tedxtr is probably town. Like 80%.
Tutuu is just town cuz she is.

God reads only here.

acceptable can you talk more about ted and tutuu?

ted is one of the better players at emulating his town play as mafia and just generally being towny as mafia so my town read on him is just always tempered

tutuu is physically incapable of randing mafia

I'm out of range right now

in this game state with 4 nulls, you, tutuu, nanook, cassowary I never bother to be among top posters and force my hand into exposing myself when this basically looks like a re-run of the game I wolfed in with Carotte, except this time I'm on what appears to be the losing side given the game state.

people really need to stop respecting a good wolf game that doesn't even exist

For whoever the townies are out of that group

please post thoughts, because at the moment, to me and perhaps everyone else, you are Indiscernible between a wolf and a town, and you having reads that you aren't talking about means one thing

your takes are gonna be gun to head and you'll be misclearing people because the bar for towniness is set very low

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:06 pm

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:02 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:28 pm

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:42 pm People who are town reading Mac, can you explain how you do that?

He has reads and makes pushes, but so far (Im on page 6) Idk what his thought process is, and i feel like He'll meme on me if I poke him about it.

well thats exactly why iw anna townread him LOL

you TR him b/c of his having reads, and pushes?

Or b/c he'll meme on you if you push him too hard for info? or both?

i townread him cuz he is goofing around most of the time (he still does make serious posts here and there). or maybe the way he is goofing around exactly

its a stupid reason to townread someone for

but stupid townreads dont necessarily equate to wrong townreads

this is exactly what I'm talking about

it's not even about being wrong or right at the moment, it's about the read being so bad that I can't even discern if you're a wolf or a town

Yeah, this game state absolutely sucks for me. I don't operate on guts anymore and I put a lot of thought into my reads and won't sort anybody gun to head.

My vote probably stays locked on chardonnay and think you're all wrong.

His scum read of me is dependent on another person flipping town as well as an oog assumption that is easily refuted by my reactions in thread. He does not believe in me flipping scum based off that, so the pursuit of it is not genuine and serves as showing consistency in his reads.

[mention]cassowary[/mention] what do you make of his accusation? Iirc you know each other, he has no opinion on your read of him. Why do you think he did not construe it as you being opportunistic?

Further evidence that I think can show light upon some stuff, although it can be unfortunately construed as confbias, is this read and vote :

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:26 pm LC's opener was among the least town looking. So I voted to see how he/others would react since I didn't really have any SRs in the players posting in that moment in time.

Which could be him pushing either a wolf partner or a town that was fairly consensus PoE at that point and he deflected from it by using the same reasoning to accuse me. That accusation doesn't come from town and OOG reasoning that's not backed up by evidence is >rand W. People have a hard time discerning between "wolves couldn't possibly have this thought process, so town" and "actually just a wolf".

He's repping a scum read on me and is acting fairly confident about it when, at the bottom of it, there's literally nothing to the push, just TMI. It's most likely a wolf repping an omgus on what appeared to be the latest and weakest voter although his theory does not match the evidence in thread. Why did he not have anything to say about the reasoning of my post and why did he go to OOG lengths?

Did he not think my reasoning was genuine? Like, why was I sheeping Alison and Mac? My reasoning was unique and nobody said why they voted Chardonnay.

He just skipped my post and did not engage with it and he made a leap of faith to "he must've sheeped them"

A : Ted voted Chardonnay

B: Is he a wolf doing it or town doing it? Why did he vote me?

C: He's a wolf

He basically leaps from A to C even though the B is not present at all. He did not analyse my posts and my vote on him. He went from the premise I'm a wolf and looked for evidence to match the conclusion. That's not how town thinks. Town doesn't skip from A to C, town's B is why they get town read 9/10 times.

But ted, what if Chardonnay is a wrong town? If a town is wrong, they consider B and then hop to C, but in this case, B is non-existent, because he didn't attempt to sort me at all or saying why my vote was bad. (like, actual analysis of why the reasoning for my read on him was opportunistic)

I don't know how I can make this more apparent to you, chardonnay is not town and the reason he's being town read is because we have 4 slots that are basically indiscernible between open wolves and town and I wouldn't be surprised if this was a re-run of Amdibals. Because of that, every read and push from someone you rule out as automatically town.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:07 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:30 pm Hally town
Char town
1612 town
Ted town
Tutuu town

Gamesolve

these are some terrible reads

This wont end well

Damn Ted is gamminggg, he has a lot more content, I wonder if Hally will rethink Ted as well like they did for chardonnay. I'll be back to properly take a look at this

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:14 am I’m very tempted to vote Hally.

I feel like she could’ve TMI’d around 2 slots, early game Alison and chardonnay this time around.

Chardonnay’s reads are twisting the timeline for an omgus that any wolf can do, picking posts that look scummy on surface but don’t actually make someone more likely to flip scum and 2 reads that pertain to “i haven’t seen them do anything townie”

It’s very hard for me to comprehend how him as a town would have the me!take, especially when all of my posts are literally catch-ups in order. I think he’s TMIng me at an expense of a “townie” read, because he’s “thinking about the game”, but in reality, that take doesn’t have the supported evidence and it’s just a fart in the air.

Hally, please explain how chardonnay’s catchup is townie and also why you town read Alison early on, with as much detail as possible.

Here's a wild take that I am not stuck on but here it is.... I feel like Hally susses chardonnay for their entrance to Day 1 but votes Long Con instead who I am kinda turning around on because yeah their responses are pretty appropriate for being called naked and put in everyone's POE.... So my take is looking at the votes right now,

WHAT IF : Hally and Chardonnay? I don't know Tedxtr's recent logs are good but again maybe like chardonnay, they are compensating with a sussed intro?
Did you mean by the green quote that Hally tmi'd Chardonnay as town? Because your next line suggests that Chard is wolf.

THOTS TED AND [mention]Hally[/mention] ?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:14 am I’m very tempted to vote Hally.

I feel like she could’ve TMI’d around 2 slots, early game Alison and chardonnay this time around.

Chardonnay’s reads are twisting the timeline for an omgus that any wolf can do, picking posts that look scummy on surface but don’t actually make someone more likely to flip scum and 2 reads that pertain to “i haven’t seen them do anything townie”

It’s very hard for me to comprehend how him as a town would have the me!take, especially when all of my posts are literally catch-ups in order. I think he’s TMIng me at an expense of a “townie” read, because he’s “thinking about the game”, but in reality, that take doesn’t have the supported evidence and it’s just a fart in the air.

Hally, please explain how chardonnay’s catchup is townie and also why you town read Alison early on, with as much detail as possible.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:54 am Yeah, this game state absolutely sucks for me. I don't operate on guts anymore and I put a lot of thought into my reads and won't sort anybody gun to head.

My vote probably stays locked on chardonnay and think you're all wrong.

His scum read of me is dependent on another person flipping town as well as an oog assumption that is easily refuted by my reactions in thread. He does not believe in me flipping scum based off that, so the pursuit of it is not genuine and serves as showing consistency in his reads.

Ah man I think between tedxtr and chard's comeback, I actually trust ted more.
And sorry ted, I am kind of a gut feeling player (which is kinda unreliable through text), I just suck at seeing logic and patterns so I get why this kind of gameplay is a bit iffy right now and I actually agree somewhat... Maybe when I get better lol.
Also the red quotes I like, a lot....? Especially seeing your reads on chardonnay's reads and pushes where I did that A LOT when I was mafia last forum game pinpointing surface level scummy quotes. I don't know why but I'm like convinced on the fact that there is one mafia between tedxtr and chardonnay and now I think you are more town... holy moly my reads have completely flipped..... I don't want to believe in a world where this is town on town. (haha open wolfing *COUGH* im so sorry if im wrong)

AM I BEING MANIPULATED BY TED DAMN IT, Y'ALL ARE TOO GOOD AT THIS GAME I CANT PLAY HERE

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:16 am The actual answer is that I just don’t have that much to offer rn, sorry. I know that sucks and I’ll try to kick it into gear in later days if necessary, but this is what I got rn

All good Nanook, hope you got some juice later on!

1612 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:28 am

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:26 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:46 am

chardonnay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:50 pm I look forward to Ob!towning the daylights out of you later then

what does this mean?

It means my green shows stronger the longer the game goes on.

PROPHET!

[mention]tedxtr[/mention] Okay look at these two quotes top and below. Is that like a plea to not being voted day 1? I do feel like either chard can be strong town or strong mafia. I really like that quote from them... Well I guess it doesn't matter for you because you disagree with all of us that their comeback wasn't town enough.

1612 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:52 am

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:47 pm holy crap! Has Tutuu really has never randed mafia on these forums? :0

I peeked through her completed games and it looks like shes town in all of them!

@tutuu
Have you any offsite completed scum games I could look though?

Oh man
1. first of all, you asking tutuu to provide offsite completed scum games is SO fricking town. If you are mafia, you are admitting and shamelessly ASKING to find info that you could potentially push off of but no you are just trying to get all the info.
MM! that's some good town. You just leveled up in my town radar. Maybe even more than tutu honestly.
2. second of all. IT REALLLY adds up to your tinfoil of the quote below

I know this is a like a gut feeling play but yeah how do you feel about my read and reasoning on chard here? Unreliable? Too much reading into gut? I think that was my favorite reason for town reading chard honestly. All of the other quotes, yeah, it felt like shade surface level scum reasons... I'd have to take a look again. Perhaps you could quote a specific one that you thought was shady.

1612, I will say something.

Correct me if wrong, but I am 99% sure that you don't even explicitly scum read me, you just went "I have ted in PoE because he's done nothing townie for solving" or something amongst those lines.

The mistake is the reading process in and of itself, lol. I don't really make too many reads early game and much prefer to joke around, as either alignment. I sink in the PoE knowingly and don't have much against it. Your way of reading me and the "maybe he got pressured because of having weak openers" is completely NAI.

I understand if you thought you had something, but if I'd be mafia, that would probably be the last thing you'd look for in order to catch me. It's =rand

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:03 pm 1612, I will say something.

Correct me if wrong, but I am 99% sure that you don't even explicitly scum read me, you just went "I have ted in PoE because he's done nothing townie for solving" or something amongst those lines.

The mistake is the reading process in and of itself, lol. I don't really make too many reads early game and much prefer to joke around, as either alignment. I sink in the PoE knowingly and don't have much against it. Your way of reading me and the "maybe he got pressured because of having weak openers" is completely NAI.

I understand if you thought you had something, but if I'd be mafia, that would probably be the last thing you'd look for in order to catch me. It's =rand

yeah it was more like alison town read you at the start of day 1 even though you had a lack of content so I disagreed. I SHOULDNT have scumread you, i shouldve jsut disagreed with Alison and put you as null. Yeah you are right.

1612 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:02 pm @tedxtr Okay look at these two quotes top and below. Is that like a plea to not being voted day 1? I do feel like either chard can be strong town or strong mafia. I really like that quote from them... Well I guess it doesn't matter for you because you disagree with all of us that their comeback wasn't town enough.

It is not, and I already brushed over the "why".

I've given direct instances of what it takes to get into the towncore in this game state. Reads such as "they're genuine" and "they are relaxed" ; stuff completely irrelevant for getting into towncores. The thread state and town core entries are brought to such a low standard, that by comparison with Chard's catchup where they actually give thoughts, it looks like they're town.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:57 pm mac v
tutuu v
hally v
ted w
LC naked w

don't ask me to explain any of these reads; it's part of my "experimental new playstyle"

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:20 am ted I think you are probably town here so I'll just address you concisely. I am aware that Mac has enough ability to fake this as scum and I am also keeping the possibility in mind that he could be leading me down the wrong direction. I'm just saying that signs point to green from my point of view. You seem to believe that I am locktowning Mac forever when I'm not doing anything like that. It's page 6. Take it as page 6. If Mac is scum trust that I will get there that he is not to be trusted because his pushes will turn sour eventually.

Oh wait nvm, Alison scumread you for your "pre-rant" frame 1 intro which is super NAI.
Later on the day, she started to town read you. Okay so I was just completely mistaken that she townread you so easily and had tinfoil. Okay...

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:06 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:02 pm @tedxtr Okay look at these two quotes top and below. Is that like a plea to not being voted day 1? I do feel like either chard can be strong town or strong mafia. I really like that quote from them... Well I guess it doesn't matter for you because you disagree with all of us that their comeback wasn't town enough.

It is not, and I already brushed over the "why".

I've given direct instances of what it takes to get into the towncore in this game state. Reads such as "they're genuine" and "they are relaxed" ; stuff completely irrelevant for getting into towncores. The thread state and town core entries are brought to such a low standard, that by comparison with Chard's catchup where they actually give thoughts, it looks like they're town.

Ah yeah i guess, that is a weak read and shouldn't be an easy town pass for that one quote. How about the next one? Is that one unreliable as well?
ALSO, you said that chard's catchup actually gave thoughts and they looked town. I thot you said you scumread them?

1612 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:02 pm I know this is a like a gut feeling play but yeah how do you feel about my read and reasoning on chard here? Unreliable? Too much reading into gut? I think that was my favorite reason for town reading chard honestly. All of the other quotes, yeah, it felt like shade surface level scum reasons... I'd have to take a look again. Perhaps you could quote a specific one that you thought was shady

I don't really get the context for the second tinfoil theory, but I will say that in light of my evidence that I have on chard for a wolf read, looking for games doesn't really cut the chase for me.

I am trying to be as reasonable as possible and won't attack every point, even if you rand scum, you'd still have your share of good and bad posts. I do think looking into games is perhaps something a little bit extra for a wolf to make, although it's not outside the realm of possibility.

There are wolves that do it and wolves that don't, and sometimes, personality or previous experiences hold a high degree when choosing to clear someone for this, which I do not possess. Maybe [mention]cassowary[/mention] can respond to whether he think it's townie / if chard's ever done this before as a wolf, but I wouldn't really think he's town just for it.

If you were asking whether it's an unreasonable take, I don't think it is an unreasonable one on your part, I just don't know how accurate it is /shrug

Lol fair enough, people call my reads wack so thanks for your advice. With that being said, I THINK YOU TOWN. Hopefully, my logs referring to you explain logically enough that is suitable for gameplay.

1612 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:10 pm ALSO, you said that chard's catchup actually gave thoughts and they looked town. I thot you said you scumread them?

You are misconstruing my point. I am saying that the bar for getting a town read is set so low, that just for giving thoughts, people think chard is town.

1612 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:14 pm Lol fair enough, people call my reads wack so thanks for your advice. With that being said, I THINK YOU TOWN. Hopefully, my logs referring to you explain logically enough that is suitable for gameplay.

Which is actually probably exactly what you don't want because you DONT like it when the bar for towncore is low. Sorry lol

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:14 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:10 pm ALSO, you said that chard's catchup actually gave thoughts and they looked town. I thot you said you scumread them?

You are misconstruing my point. I am saying that the bar for getting a town read is set so low, that just for giving thoughts, people think chard is town.

Ah right, yes yes. I think you are right and I jumped the gun on that read because active != town. Yeah yeah, I think I mentioned this though where they could have been compensating by giving extra active logs to appear town because they were sussed.

So another question, you have this whole scum case that chard is not town and that we were all wrong to set our town bar so low for chard for contributing compared to the other content in the game. Why Holly over Chard? You want to see info on what Holly flips to see if she tmi'd chard as town?

1612 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:14 pm Lol fair enough, people call my reads wack so thanks for your advice. With that being said, I THINK YOU TOWN. Hopefully, my logs referring to you explain logically enough that is suitable for gameplay.

I think you're just a bit misguided because you have no meta with me, not necessarily "whack". :P

Oh wait you are voting them already LMAO. You were jsut TEMPTED to vote Hally. Okay. Cool.
[VOTE: chardonnay] aubergine

Reading cassowary's ISO I can actually see them as scum as well. His entry in the thread read like a scum that struggled to get the pulse of the thread. Typical "I don't see why..." ; "I think they're forced" and then doesn't explore it and doesn't vote chardonnay.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:18 pm p sure the game is just over if we follow the POE {LC, chardonnay, ted}

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:32 pm

chardonnay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:27 pm Mmm, i dont think this methodology is looking too good Alison. You've already gotten at least one read wrong.

[VOTE: chardonnay] aubergine

By the way, I cracked up when I saw this hahaha. I sheep Alison.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:04 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:03 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:02 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:02 am Mac is definitely not out of his wolf range but like his reads and pushes are good so not super interested in bringing heat down on that slot atm

Which reads and pushes are good? Quote them.

remember when he called you naked obvious wolf?

Good times. [VOTE: alison] aubergine

I keep coming back to this exchange. Alison does a wishy-washy non-read on Mac, but when I asked her to elaborate on what she said, she gave the most openwolfing response I have ever seen from her.

Just let me know if I'm the only person who sees it this way, and I'll go back to shutting up.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:36 pm Reading cassowary's ISO I can actually see them as scum as well. His entry in the thread read like a scum that struggled to get the pulse of the thread. Typical "I don't see why..." ; "I think they're forced" and then doesn't explore it and doesn't vote chardonnay.

Cassowary's ISO is pretty lean. Why is it that he's a *scum* struggling to get the pulse of the thread, and not just a *player* trying to do the same? I doubt that he's m/m with chard, but if chard is town, then I'd be more suspicious of cass for his chard thoughts, which were derivative at that point.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:45 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:04 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:03 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:02 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:02 am Mac is definitely not out of his wolf range but like his reads and pushes are good so not super interested in bringing heat down on that slot atm

Which reads and pushes are good? Quote them.

remember when he called you naked obvious wolf?

Good times. [VOTE: alison] aubergine

I keep coming back to this exchange. Alison does a wishy-washy non-read on Mac, but when I asked her to elaborate on what she said, she gave the most openwolfing response I have ever seen from her.

Just let me know if I'm the only person who sees it this way, and I'll go back to shutting up.

I see it Long Con. Yeah, that was a bit weird honestly, after playing with Alison once before. But let's just forego this past omgus eh? (sweats)
Honestly though, I think it was just a lame POE read on you so let's move on from that, you can scumread me later on if you want but what about your other reads Long Con?

^ I'd be more willing to chop chard than cass today to figure that out.

1612 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:54 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:45 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:04 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:03 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:02 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:02 am Mac is definitely not out of his wolf range but like his reads and pushes are good so not super interested in bringing heat down on that slot atm

Which reads and pushes are good? Quote them.

remember when he called you naked obvious wolf?

Good times. [VOTE: alison] aubergine

I keep coming back to this exchange. Alison does a wishy-washy non-read on Mac, but when I asked her to elaborate on what she said, she gave the most openwolfing response I have ever seen from her.

Just let me know if I'm the only person who sees it this way, and I'll go back to shutting up.

I see it Long Con. Yeah, that was a bit weird honestly, after playing with Alison once before. But let's just forego this past omgus eh? (sweats)
Honestly though, I think it was just a lame POE read on you so let's move on from that, you can scumread me later on if you want but what about your other reads Long Con?

I didn't mean you!

Joseph, Hally, and tutuu, I have no idea. Their shells are too thick right now to penetrate, despite Joseph's raunchy and aggressive dancing.

Nanook, by his own admission, doesn't have much to offer. He saw that there was a lot of memes happening, and he got right on board, and I'd call that move >rand scum.

tedxtr looks pretty town, though I admit to skimming some of his longer posts recently. He's not just sheeping the main townreads that are being shared around, which I see as a good thing.

Cass, as I said, has the least to work with. I'm not that gung-ho about chopping low-posters, and some more thoughts would be nice, since his only opinion has been that chard's oft-discussed post is forced/weird.

Uhhh so it looks like chard is going to be the vote today unless they like soft pr (not sure how's that done to be honest, never played with these rules, or if the meta tells us to trust that and vote someone else ) but should we discuss what happens when
1. they flip blue
2. they flip red

I think sadly.... augh hally might be mafia in the second case? its weaker for the first scenario because i think they could have just pushed chard despite the logs instead of town reading them... why? It was all laid up and all of a sudden hally as mafia decides to defend chard, maybe for town cred, but that seems like a weak play from hally and they seem like a great player. yeah so actually i think if chard flips blue, that might make hally more town. BUT if they flip red. I think that might make them more mafia for defending chard with such a low town bar like ted mentioned just for contributing last minute and even then it was like quite shady surface level scum reads...

For uhhhh let's see I think for cass, if it flips blue or red, there is a potential mafia. I don't know why, their logs seem bandwaggony on chard which could be a hopeless or an unavoidable bus OR an easy push. Augh

I think for ted, uhhh let's see. I don't know, I town read him in general so... god.

I'll think about the others but those are my top three feelings on what I want to look at next depending on the flip. They might change.

not too sure on who are the wolves but 1612 shouldnt be at risk of yeeting. there are 2 votes on him and he's obv town imo

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:06 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:54 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:45 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:04 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:03 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:02 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:02 am Mac is definitely not out of his wolf range but like his reads and pushes are good so not super interested in bringing heat down on that slot atm

Which reads and pushes are good? Quote them.

remember when he called you naked obvious wolf?

Good times. [VOTE: alison] aubergine

I keep coming back to this exchange. Alison does a wishy-washy non-read on Mac, but when I asked her to elaborate on what she said, she gave the most openwolfing response I have ever seen from her.

Just let me know if I'm the only person who sees it this way, and I'll go back to shutting up.

I see it Long Con. Yeah, that was a bit weird honestly, after playing with Alison once before. But let's just forego this past omgus eh? (sweats)
Honestly though, I think it was just a lame POE read on you so let's move on from that, you can scumread me later on if you want but what about your other reads Long Con?

I didn't mean you!

Joseph, Hally, and tutuu, I have no idea. Their shells are too thick right now to penetrate, despite Joseph's raunchy and aggressive dancing.

Nanook, by his own admission, doesn't have much to offer. He saw that there was a lot of memes happening, and he got right on board, and I'd call that move >rand scum.

tedxtr looks pretty town, though I admit to skimming some of his longer posts recently. He's not just sheeping the main townreads that are being shared around, which I see as a good thing.

Cass, as I said, has the least to work with. I'm not that gung-ho about chopping low-posters, and some more thoughts would be nice, since his only opinion has been that chard's oft-discussed post is forced/weird.

DON"T PUNISH THE SON FOR THE SINS OF THE FATHER
I'm interested in knowing what this term is. I'm just assuming leaning scum, vice versa?
Yes completely agree! ... Or you are both partners and that would be scary af

I think I used the term right. That's what I believe I'm reading when I see it around anyway, more likely to be scum.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:10 pm not too sure on who are the wolves but 1612 shouldnt be at risk of yeeting. there are 2 votes on him and he's obv town imo

Yeah but your town read is, like, based on personality...?

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:26 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:46 am

chardonnay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:50 pm I look forward to Ob!towning the daylights out of you later then

what does this mean?

It means my green shows stronger the longer the game goes on.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:03 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:10 pm i guess a better way to word this is:

im sort of familiar with macdougall's personality at this point, from having played multiple games with him and seeing him as both alignmetns, and i guess for some reasons i believe i can "sense" him and my "senses" tell me he is town. whether or not my senses are full of shit is up to debate!

its really not something u can put to words. im sorry, i know this sucks for u as a player who hasnt played that many games with us, i hope u dont feel like an outsider or something, but, its just the truth about how i feel!

Thank you.

Tbh thinking about the game while showering I feel more and more like Mac is just town. I Feel less tinfoilly about Hally's motives as well.

-/-/-/-/-

Binary read list:

1612
MacDougall

Hally

----null line---
tutuu
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
cassowary

tedxtr
Long Con

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:47 pm holy crap! Has Tutuu really has never randed mafia on these forums? :0

I peeked through her completed games and it looks like shes town in all of them!

@tutuu
Have you any offsite completed scum games I could look though?

Oh man, there are some logs yes [mention]tedxtr[/mention]

Chardonnay’s reads are twisting the timeline for an omgus that any wolf can do, picking posts that look scummy on surface but don’t actually make someone more likely to flip scum and 2 reads that pertain to “i haven’t seen them do anything townie”

He just skipped my post and did not engage with it and he made a leap of faith to "he must've sheeped them"

A : Ted voted Chardonnay

B: Is he a wolf doing it or town doing it? Why did he vote me?

C: He's a wolf

He basically leaps from A to C even though the B is not present at all. He did not analyse my posts and my vote on him. He went from the premise I'm a wolf and looked for evidence to match the conclusion. That's not how town thinks. Town doesn't skip from A to C, town's B is why they get town read 9/10 times.

but I really liked those three logs above from Chardonnay that I've explained why. I hope this flips town so I can be pleasantly surprised and disappointed I missed out on the evolution of chardonnay's Ob!towning in late game. I also will miss the Binary List of Reads Scale, very unique. Lastly that question towards tutu is so town, ted. I don't know how you can read that as NAI or possibility of wolf trying harder. It looks like good and honest effort to learn other players' playstyle... Like if he's mafia and tutu is town, he's BLATANTLY asking for, "hey can you give me a reason to throw shade on you and miscondemn you?" which I don't see his doing it as mafia... but I guess this is just my gut talking and not logical. Oh well, let's see if I'm wrong or right

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:19 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:10 pm not too sure on who are the wolves but 1612 shouldnt be at risk of yeeting. there are 2 votes on him and he's obv town imo

Yeah but your town read is, like, based on personality...?

(raises hand) I'm like also town reading TUTU based of personaility gahaha, she has very similar preference of playstyle that I do as town so I am biased uwu.
I am a bit shocked that you have a null read on TUTU who has rolled town every game and I'm assuming you've played with her several times as a regular here.
I can't imagine that you have a null read.... But like Chardonnay voting you and if she flips mafia, makes you pretty town.

Just pointing something out that I thought was interesting.
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