The Syndicate

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:12 am whats with the big font every other post

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:38 am <=== obv town here

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:28 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:12 am whats with the big font every other post

sorry, it's to highlight a portion of the quote i won't explaining. is it bothersome? i can use colors instead i guess.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:28 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:38 am <=== obv town here

Remember when you scumread me for making this exact same post

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:30 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:28 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:38 am <=== obv town here

Remember when you scumread me for making this exact same post

were you scum?

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:34 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:29 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:15 am so punish the fool seems like a pretty punishing ability for our team.

the best we can probably do is to make scum play whack-a-mole. we all need mana for something...

fix suggestion : everyone should ask for the mana they need (and that's it - just ask for the mana, don't say what it's for or that it needs priority, etc etc), irregardless of how good or bad their ability is.

loop holes : the mafia will target strong people this way, so we're a bit forced to spread the cards to someone they don't need dead. (PoEish targets that can reasonably be town)

my instinct is to say that 3 mana is a bit tough to gather? so let's not try to get caught up in an ability that takes quite a bit to use anyway.

thoughts / concerns about this?

I don't think that 3 mana is tough to gather. I can produce that much mana in a night. I don't know how many lands you have, but I have three. If that's standard, then this is probably somewhere near equivalent to a wolf giving up their personal ability in order to use Punish The Fool.

Actually, this kind of reads like ted is a wolf with 3 lands who thinks that townies start with fewer.
Why would a townie ever say "3 mana is a bit tough to gather" here?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:30 am

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:30 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:28 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:38 am <=== obv town here

Remember when you scumread me for making this exact same post

were you scum?

Nope, I was town. Simple Arsonist game.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:32 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:30 am

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:30 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:28 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:38 am <=== obv town here

Remember when you scumread me for making this exact same post

were you scum?

Nope, I was town. Simple Arsonist game.

and what do you think of marmot here? you made a comment on how he (un)intentionally copied your post from SA, is it AI at all?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:52 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:50 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:38 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:34 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:29 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:15 am so punish the fool seems like a pretty punishing ability for our team.

the best we can probably do is to make scum play whack-a-mole. we all need mana for something...

fix suggestion : everyone should ask for the mana they need (and that's it - just ask for the mana, don't say what it's for or that it needs priority, etc etc), irregardless of how good or bad their ability is.

loop holes : the mafia will target strong people this way, so we're a bit forced to spread the cards to someone they don't need dead. (PoEish targets that can reasonably be town)

my instinct is to say that 3 mana is a bit tough to gather? so let's not try to get caught up in an ability that takes quite a bit to use anyway.

thoughts / concerns about this?

I don't think that 3 mana is tough to gather. I can produce that much mana in a night. I don't know how many lands you have, but I have three. If that's standard, then this is probably somewhere near equivalent to a wolf giving up their personal ability in order to use Punish The Fool.

Actually, this kind of reads like ted is a wolf with 3 lands who thinks that townies start with fewer.
Why would a townie ever say "3 mana is a bit tough to gather" here?

When I read it with the idea that it "reads like ted is a wolf", tow things jump out at me. One, his use of "instinct" feels wild and wolfy... but that's just for laughs. Two, more serious, he's casually downplaying the concern about this ability.

Also, "for our team" lol
guy reads like a middle manager trying to be one of the bois

Or "hello fellow townies".

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:55 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:20 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:04 pm So @Urist what is it you're saying then so that I can understand b/c clearly I don't

If a member of the town is unable to use their ability without getting a mana donation of a specific colour, it's better for them to claim that they need that colour than to sit silently and be effectively a VT.
Concrete example: let's say I have an ability that requires two red mana and two green mana, but I only have two green lands and a red land. Which is the more beneficial choice:
a) Claim that I need one red land for my ability, alerting the mafia that I have an ability with a damage component, but potentially allowing me to make use of it.
b) Don't claim anything and take no actions.
A is always the logical choice. B doesn't make much sense, because although it avoids a situation where you're revealing information, you're not able to use your ability anyway so what are you even gaining by being secretive?

press X to doubt

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:36 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:55 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:20 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:04 pm So @Urist what is it you're saying then so that I can understand b/c clearly I don't

If a member of the town is unable to use their ability without getting a mana donation of a specific colour, it's better for them to claim that they need that colour than to sit silently and be effectively a VT.
Concrete example: let's say I have an ability that requires two red mana and two green mana, but I only have two green lands and a red land. Which is the more beneficial choice:
a) Claim that I need one red land for my ability, alerting the mafia that I have an ability with a damage component, but potentially allowing me to make use of it.
b) Don't claim anything and take no actions.
A is always the logical choice. B doesn't make much sense, because although it avoids a situation where you're revealing information, you're not able to use your ability anyway so what are you even gaining by being secretive?

press X to doubt

please explain why you doubt? is it not making sense to you?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:08 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:56 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:55 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:20 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:04 pm So @Urist what is it you're saying then so that I can understand b/c clearly I don't

If a member of the town is unable to use their ability without getting a mana donation of a specific colour, it's better for them to claim that they need that colour than to sit silently and be effectively a VT.
Concrete example: let's say I have an ability that requires two red mana and two green mana, but I only have two green lands and a red land. Which is the more beneficial choice:
a) Claim that I need one red land for my ability, alerting the mafia that I have an ability with a damage component, but potentially allowing me to make use of it.
b) Don't claim anything and take no actions.
A is always the logical choice. B doesn't make much sense, because although it avoids a situation where you're revealing information, you're not able to use your ability anyway so what are you even gaining by being secretive?

press X to doubt

I thought is sounded logical. Why should we doubt?

Couple things that I super hate about that post:
The first is the red comment. Just read that and think about it for a minute, especially in the context of we don't actually know what "red" things do even if we can assume things from the existing MTG color pie.
Second is there are times when not claiming/asking for mana is going to be beneficial to you, A isn't always the logical choice yeah? That's the main point of the X to Doubt comment.
There are other things that concern me about the post that I'm sitting on for now. The last thing I really want to mention is that the post reads as if they're seeing town approval for something, not expressing ideas or thoughts they want to take a stand on.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:13 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:10 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:06 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:37 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:30 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:17 pm With some pressure on Falcon to start doing townie things pretty quickly I think adding some pressure to Urist makes sense here, yes?
I know your sus pool and I'm on board with that.

This is pretty scummy. Note that he supports others reads and encourages putting pressure on other players, but doesn't do so himself.

You mean the vote I have on Urist? I'm sorry, are you feeling peckish because I'm not actively pushing you or something? nah fam. What more pressure do you want than a legit vote? You think I need to case Urist or something?

What exactly is your read on Urist, why are you voting him? What's your read on me, why aren't you pushing me?

My read on Urist is wolf, and that's why I'm voting for him. My read on you is wolfy as well, for the D0 towncore stuff that I thought was nonsensical and unnecessary, and is reinforced by Guillotine who I town read.
I'm not pushing you b/c I'm currently focusing on Urist. Wait your turn.

Joke police and acting like it's scumhunting...now where have I heard this before?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:11 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:06 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:37 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:30 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:17 pm With some pressure on Falcon to start doing townie things pretty quickly I think adding some pressure to Urist makes sense here, yes?
I know your sus pool and I'm on board with that.

This is pretty scummy. Note that he supports others reads and encourages putting pressure on other players, but doesn't do so himself.

You mean the vote I have on Urist? I'm sorry, are you feeling peckish because I'm not actively pushing you or something? nah fam. What more pressure do you want than a legit vote? You think I need to case Urist or something?

What exactly is your read on Urist, why are you voting him? What's your read on me, why aren't you pushing me?

That original HK post in this chain doesn't sit right. You don't let someone know that a vote is just a pressure vote before you at least get some reactions from it. If I hear a vote on me is just for pressure, I assume then that it's not for serious, and I feel less pressure.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:21 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:16 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:34 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:29 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:15 am so punish the fool seems like a pretty punishing ability for our team.

the best we can probably do is to make scum play whack-a-mole. we all need mana for something...

fix suggestion : everyone should ask for the mana they need (and that's it - just ask for the mana, don't say what it's for or that it needs priority, etc etc), irregardless of how good or bad their ability is.

loop holes : the mafia will target strong people this way, so we're a bit forced to spread the cards to someone they don't need dead. (PoEish targets that can reasonably be town)

my instinct is to say that 3 mana is a bit tough to gather? so let's not try to get caught up in an ability that takes quite a bit to use anyway.

thoughts / concerns about this?

I don't think that 3 mana is tough to gather. I can produce that much mana in a night. I don't know how many lands you have, but I have three. If that's standard, then this is probably somewhere near equivalent to a wolf giving up their personal ability in order to use Punish The Fool.

Actually, this kind of reads like ted is a wolf with 3 lands who thinks that townies start with fewer.
Why would a townie ever say "3 mana is a bit tough to gather" here?

Or the wolves start with fewer than 3 mana each, which if Ted's scum, leads him to believe town also start with fewer than 3?

I have 3 as well, thought Ted assuming it tricky to acquire a bit unusual

Snap read you're town off of this.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:03 am

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:38 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:32 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:29 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:25 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:28 pm what kind of policy is voting guillotina @Urist?

I'm a disgruntled old man and don't really care to play with someone who's making the game harder to read for no reason.

it's not actually for no reason

If you're suggesting it's a post restriction, I'm a little doubtful.

it's because guillotinas previous play style was not healthy and he's trying to change that. Easiest way to change it is to try to filter thoughts through images. That's what I think it probably is

what do you mean? where did he say that?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:52 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:17 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:15 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:08 pm A isn't always the logical choice yeah? That's the main point of the X to Doubt comment..

When the choice is between remaining functionally vanilla, or asking for a red mana from someone, I have to agree with Urist.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:38 pm Here is the second mafia factional artifact:



Elaborations:

• Note that both this and the Wolf Pack are night actions, you can't use them during the day (you would have no mana to do that anyway)

• The purpose of this artifact is to prevent the town from breaking the game by making public plans on how to handle everyone's mana.

• Counter (as seen in this card) means roleblock or more specifically just "block". I won't be using the word roleblock anymore, its synonymous with "counter".

• Exiling a player removes them from the game and does not reveal their alignment (as if they were janitored)

• Which reminds me that upon death, players will flip their planeswalker, all of their land cards and all of the artifacts in their possession. The thing that they will not reveal is the state of their cards (tapped or untapped) as well as their current life total. More on the mechanics later.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:27 am lol guise, i have no experience with mtg irl but i’ve played a few mashes on another site that was mtg themed

and in there mana is stacked and usually hard to come across, thus, i don’t see why we’re supposed to be scared of that card, since i believe it’d put dents in mafia as well. i’ve only said “my instinct tells me” because off that previous experience but not actually knowing how it works in this game.

still, the strategy should work out fine. i don’t see how or why tutuu would add that card for the mafia unless there were a few roles that couldn’t really produce all mana for their own ability.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:27 am lol guise, i have no experience with mtg irl but i’ve played a few mashes on another site that was mtg themed

and in there mana is stacked and usually hard to come across, thus, i don’t see why we’re supposed to be scared of that card, since i believe it’d put dents in mafia as well. i’ve only said “my instinct tells me” because off that previous experience but not actually knowing how it works in this game.

still, the strategy should work out fine. i don’t see how or why tutuu would add that card for the mafia unless there were a few roles that couldn’t really produce all mana for their own ability.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:31 am

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:34 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:29 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:15 am so punish the fool seems like a pretty punishing ability for our team.

the best we can probably do is to make scum play whack-a-mole. we all need mana for something...

fix suggestion : everyone should ask for the mana they need (and that's it - just ask for the mana, don't say what it's for or that it needs priority, etc etc), irregardless of how good or bad their ability is.

loop holes : the mafia will target strong people this way, so we're a bit forced to spread the cards to someone they don't need dead. (PoEish targets that can reasonably be town)

my instinct is to say that 3 mana is a bit tough to gather? so let's not try to get caught up in an ability that takes quite a bit to use anyway.

thoughts / concerns about this?

I don't think that 3 mana is tough to gather. I can produce that much mana in a night. I don't know how many lands you have, but I have three. If that's standard, then this is probably somewhere near equivalent to a wolf giving up their personal ability in order to use Punish The Fool.

Actually, this kind of reads like ted is a wolf with 3 lands who thinks that townies start with fewer.
Why would a townie ever say "3 mana is a bit tough to gather" here?

ohh good point. but didn't you tell me some lands dont produce mana?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:30 am [VOTE: LC ] aubergine

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:28 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:38 am <=== obv town here

Remember when you scumread me for making this exact same post

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:38 am <=== obv town here

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:16 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:38 am <=== obv town here

On mobile and what is this?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:13 am dunia is also town. This game is getting easy.

Who else needs solving?

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:20 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:13 am dunia is also town. This game is getting easy.

Who else needs solving?

I don't recall seeing marmot usually be this confident. Is this scummy for him?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:22 am

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:20 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:13 am dunia is also town. This game is getting easy.

Who else needs solving?

I don't recall seeing marmot usually be this confident. Is this scummy for him?

I can say with confidence that yes, this is extremely scummy behavior for him. Turbo immediately.

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:10 am Kind of doubt those cards exist in this game though.

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:20 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:13 am dunia is also town. This game is getting easy.

Who else needs solving?

I don't recall seeing marmot usually be this confident. Is this scummy for him?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:17 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:16 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:38 am <=== obv town here

On mobile and what is this?

If your wife is sitting to your left, then she is obvtown.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:24 am

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:10 am Kind of doubt those cards exist in this game though.

why? not in a snarky why but genuinely do you have info that says that i missed?

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:25 am

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:20 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:13 am dunia is also town. This game is getting easy.

Who else needs solving?

I don't recall seeing marmot usually be this confident. Is this scummy for him?

Not to be a party pooper, but I don't think mommy wants us doing this sort of thing.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:27 am

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:25 am

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:20 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:13 am dunia is also town. This game is getting easy.

Who else needs solving?

I don't recall seeing marmot usually be this confident. Is this scummy for him?

Not to be a party pooper, but I don't think mommy wants us doing this sort of thing.

is tutuu mommy here?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:29 am jacccccck, it's been a while since we were actually -in game- together, rather than me recruiting you to sub into games. ;p

i am town, but how do i know you are

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:30 am all i remember from jack is the long post that made my eyes glaze over where he was telling us to gamebreak when actually tutuu gave mafia an ability to prevent that gamebreak. so slight town lean?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:02 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:36 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:30 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:01 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:18 am

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:55 pm The character claims are interesting to me. I find them NAI because we don't know what characters mafia will be, but I think it may actually be useful for us to claim the color of our abilities so that we don't waste mana giving it to others. I'd like some contribution on what extent town should share information relating to their role, but be wary that what you say can give scum info you don't intend to share on your role

colour is 100% tied to abilities, i don't recommend anyone claim colour.

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:50 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:48 am

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:41 am

Urist makes a valid point that colors are related to what your power is, though.

Ok... but say you need a blue mana. If you can't make it with your lands, then it's probably not your main thing. The ability could require blue-white-black, or it could be blue-red-green. I didn't think that revealing the one colour you can't make gives much usable info.

It's wise to err on the side of caution, but that has to balance out with actually being able to ever use your ability.

if you actually need someone to give specific mana to you, i don't think there's much harm in claiming it because otherwise you won't be able to use your ability anyway, it won't matter whether scum knows what it is lol.
i was more getting at the idea that people shouldn't be claiming colours for no reason.

Do you not understand why it's beneficial to claim your colour if you need donations to use your ability?

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:48 pmrole hunting

this is reaching to the greatest levels.

i thought the bear was a d0 gimmick. is this bear in mtg even?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:27 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:29 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:15 am so punish the fool seems like a pretty punishing ability for our team.

the best we can probably do is to make scum play whack-a-mole. we all need mana for something...

fix suggestion : everyone should ask for the mana they need (and that's it - just ask for the mana, don't say what it's for or that it needs priority, etc etc), irregardless of how good or bad their ability is.

loop holes : the mafia will target strong people this way, so we're a bit forced to spread the cards to someone they don't need dead. (PoEish targets that can reasonably be town)

my instinct is to say that 3 mana is a bit tough to gather? so let's not try to get caught up in an ability that takes quite a bit to use anyway.

thoughts / concerns about this?

I don't think that 3 mana is tough to gather. I can produce that much mana in a night. I don't know how many lands you have, but I have three. If that's standard, then this is probably somewhere near equivalent to a wolf giving up their personal ability in order to use Punish The Fool.

eh.

pay attention to the colors. doesnt matter how much mana you can harvest, but how much relevant mana can you harvest.

if someone gives me mana i can't use, is there harm in saying it itt? does that narrow down my ability? i think mentioning 1 or two colors i dont need is ++++

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:52 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:38 pm Here is the second mafia factional artifact:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:30 am

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:29 am jacccccck, it's been a while since we were actually -in game- together, rather than me recruiting you to sub into games. ;p

i am town, but how do i know you are

Cause I started with a mechanical thingie that’s really townie probably and also my character is obvious town.

How do I know yooooou are?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:29 am [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

don't think he found kyle's post genuinely "chaotic". feels stifling to me and calling questions in a complex setup silly is -----

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:36 am

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:27 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:29 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:15 am so punish the fool seems like a pretty punishing ability for our team.

the best we can probably do is to make scum play whack-a-mole. we all need mana for something...

fix suggestion : everyone should ask for the mana they need (and that's it - just ask for the mana, don't say what it's for or that it needs priority, etc etc), irregardless of how good or bad their ability is.

loop holes : the mafia will target strong people this way, so we're a bit forced to spread the cards to someone they don't need dead. (PoEish targets that can reasonably be town)

my instinct is to say that 3 mana is a bit tough to gather? so let's not try to get caught up in an ability that takes quite a bit to use anyway.

thoughts / concerns about this?

I don't think that 3 mana is tough to gather. I can produce that much mana in a night. I don't know how many lands you have, but I have three. If that's standard, then this is probably somewhere near equivalent to a wolf giving up their personal ability in order to use Punish The Fool.

eh.

pay attention to the colors. doesnt matter how much mana you can harvest, but how much relevant mana can you harvest.

if someone gives me mana i can't use, is there harm in saying it itt? does that narrow down my ability? i think mentioning 1 or two colors i dont need is ++++

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:52 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:38 pm Here is the second mafia factional artifact: