The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:03 am My teammates told me I should start posting so here I am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:05 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:03 am My teammates told me I should start posting so here I am

I take this joke non-zero seriously.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:05 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:03 am My teammates told me I should start posting so here I am

I take this joke non-zero seriously.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:10 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:05 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:03 am My teammates told me I should start posting so here I am

I take this joke non-zero seriously.

Nanook will be dealt with

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:27 am Here's my best Joseph impression

Tsp has 50 posts d0 he's near lock mafier

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:21 pm I wonder if I have the most first-post role claims on the Syndicate.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:56 am

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:36 am
1. It does seem like a reach at surface level, so it might lose some authenticity points.

2. What are the other reasons tutuu is scum?

what is reaching here?

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:08 am on a scale from 1-10 how important is this day0 talk?

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:50 am i think nook town

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:10 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:08 am on a scale from 1-10 how important is this day0 talk?

7 or 8

Important enough to be justified in existing, and it has produced for a number of people a strong set of early town reads. Not important enough to force yourself to read every single post if you don't want to. But if you don't, you should say new things on your own.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:11 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:50 am i think nook town

Whatcha like, toots?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:03 am My teammates told me I should start posting so here I am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:18 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:11 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:50 am i think nook town

Whatcha like, toots?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:03 am My teammates told me I should start posting so here I am

i think openwolfing on the syndicate comes from town more often than from scum

or when it comes from scum generally its true (the jokes). like it would be funny if his teammates really told him to post. but if nook is scum i dont think its likely his teammates would tell him that he should post coz its day 0. so if he's scum he came up with the joke on his own when it, perhaps, wouldnt have been that funny coz its not actually true, the only fun factor would be just openwolfing as scum. so i think that scenario is less likely than him being town and wanting to make an openwolfing joke, i think it would be more fun to post it as town than as scum given the circumstance

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:20 pm Falcon has won so many games but the one he puts in his signature is the one where he got modkilled and granted a free win D2 due to host error. This guy is an absolute chad.

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:36 am I don't have any outright scumreads at the moment. A couple eyebrow-perking things that I've already mentioned (mostly the reactions to Alison's PR claim), but that's about it.

The only thing I'm directly interested in with her claim is: in a game designed to make nothing 'provable' until someone's card flips upon death, I'm interested in seeing how her PR is 'provable'.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:18 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:11 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:50 am i think nook town

Whatcha like, toots?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:03 am My teammates told me I should start posting so here I am

i think openwolfing on the syndicate comes from town more often than from scum

or when it comes from scum generally its true (the jokes). like it would be funny if his teammates really told him to post. but if nook is scum i dont think its likely his teammates would tell him that he should post coz its day 0. so if he's scum he came up with the joke on his own when it, perhaps, wouldnt have been that funny coz its not actually true, the only fun factor would be just openwolfing as scum. so i think that scenario is less likely than him being town and wanting to make an openwolfing joke, i think it would be more fun to post it as town than as scum given the circumstance

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:12 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:10 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:08 am on a scale from 1-10 how important is this day0 talk?

7 or 8

Important enough to be justified in existing, and it has produced for a number of people a strong set of early town reads. Not important enough to force yourself to read every single post if you don't want to. But if you don't, you should say new things on your own.

Okay I'll come by and read the thread during study breaks.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:39 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:18 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:11 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:50 am i think nook town

Whatcha like, toots?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:03 am My teammates told me I should start posting so here I am

i think openwolfing on the syndicate comes from town more often than from scum

or when it comes from scum generally its true (the jokes). like it would be funny if his teammates really told him to post. but if nook is scum i dont think its likely his teammates would tell him that he should post coz its day 0. so if he's scum he came up with the joke on his own when it, perhaps, wouldnt have been that funny coz its not actually true, the only fun factor would be just openwolfing as scum. so i think that scenario is less likely than him being town and wanting to make an openwolfing joke, i think it would be more fun to post it as town than as scum given the circumstance

Do you have a hangover today? Seemed like you were 3 sheets to the wind last night

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:08 am on a scale from 1-10 how important is this day0 talk?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:45 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:08 am on a scale from 1-10 how important is this day0 talk?

10

But also I'm not reading back

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:51 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:45 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:08 am on a scale from 1-10 how important is this day0 talk?

10

But also I'm not reading back

Dealt with

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:40 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:12 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:10 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:08 am on a scale from 1-10 how important is this day0 talk?

7 or 8

Important enough to be justified in existing, and it has produced for a number of people a strong set of early town reads. Not important enough to force yourself to read every single post if you don't want to. But if you don't, you should say new things on your own.

Okay I'll come by and read the thread during study breaks.

Dude, you changed your pic to a cute & cuddly seal?


Uber scummy. Zfetch would be proud tho

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:56 am apparently me quoting kza to say "weird champ post" is a scum read but jjj quoting someone to say what they did is >rand mafia isn't

you love to see it

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:56 am apparently me quoting kza to say "weird champ post" is a scum read but jjj quoting someone to say what they did is >rand mafia isn't

you love to see it

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:39 am

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:36 am I don't have any outright scumreads at the moment. A couple eyebrow-perking things that I've already mentioned (mostly the reactions to Alison's PR claim), but that's about it.

The only thing I'm directly interested in with her claim is: in a game designed to make nothing 'provable' until someone's card flips upon death, I'm interested in seeing how her PR is 'provable'.

Any town reads, Señor Strawhenge?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:03 am Esooa has stated three suspicions that all look rather baked to me, and for similar reasons: doubling down on something unworthy of a stubborn view. This applies to her treatment of KZA, SPF, and myself -- primarily the former two since those have already involved direct interaction. The spoiler contains some of the receipts; I'm not going to spam them all in there though.

Griping with KZA about "not sure it's real" vs. "not sure it's legitimate" -- I'm not sure that's real.

Griping with SPF about taking a reserved approach to reading her after one or two games in which she made incorrect town reads -- at the least I don't think that's reasonable.

Griping with me for various level one beefs e.g. "showiness" or "made a post without a clear read in it". Refusing to view me through a "would make better posts if he was mafia" lens after meeting resistance to that read even though one of her gripes with me was that I did basically the same thing with Tony (didn't immediately assume he wouldn't make a post that is on the surface suspicious or that it's not worth poking him over on page one) It all feels a bit like activity inflation more than it feels like an effort to solve.

Spoiler: show

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:03 am

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:59 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:46 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:10 pm k Sloonei is town

Falcon's case on him I'm having trouble believing is real tbh

weirdchamp post

weak FOS Mafooa

if you were wanting to actually figure stuff out between them I have no clue why you say you have trouble believing it's real, rather than you're not sure of the legitimacy of it.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:16 am saying you're not sure if it's real = assumption the person is making it up, i.e. mafia

Not sure of it's legitimacy = not sure if their case holds water without assumption on their alignment

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:21 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:17 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:23 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:21 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:18 am in fallout mafia you stated an early town read on me without problem

What's the difference?

you were mafia, though. i've learned that the best way to read you is to keep a microscope on your progressions & the specific angles that you push, and the game hasn't gone on for long enough for me to have any meaningful opinions about you. even so, you have my GTH read on you

I feel like you're faking paranoia/skepticism cause you're not sure how you should go about reading me as mafia

But okay

she just townread you when you were a wolf. Do you not think that this would have any impact?

this was last month,

"i like esooa's p#214 (and gimmick in general) both because her gimmick is funny and because she's doing something unique and out-of-character without caring about how it's going to make other people perceive her. my meta on esooa is that she tends to carve herself into her own corners of the game as town and isn't afraid to do stuff that goes against the mindset of ~wanting~ to be townread - i think that esooa adopting her gimmick for as long as she did is something that bodes well for. i also kind of liked esooa hiveminding w/me about one of rex's posts being towny on p#241. i'm not going to pretend to know how to read esooa, but i get generally good vibes from her slot so far"

as the 305th post

After Jess town read me, while I was wolf, two games in a row

I don't think that is why she isn't giving a read on me

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:08 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:06 pm setup spec time: i wonder if this is multiball

I bet mafia-aligned players are more likely to conceive of this by page two than civilians are. How about THAT?

probably, but are mafia more likely to say it than town? no

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:06 pm Just town-leans, nothing solid so far:

Alison reads like an earnest townie trying to do anti-scum work—even if I don't agree/don't have the meta to agree. (e.g. TSP spilling TMI; I still don't see it, but )

falcon and MacDougall's Page 1 vigilance wrt JPIC's 'im town lol' post feels like very authentic scumhunter behavior.

I'm actually more nervous about the RYM crew than I am about new-to-me players, but you, RaggedRimmyRay, read like your usual supertown self—however with much more restraint / less immediate tenacity than what I remember. That could mean you're hiding something (for good or ill), but it also could mean that your meta has evolved these past six years. What gives me the town lean the most is that you're trying to get everyone to talk and generate read-material. The TownyTimmyTay that I know casts a loose but far-reaching net.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:02 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:56 am apparently me quoting kza to say "weird champ post" is a scum read but jjj quoting someone to say what they did is >rand mafia isn't

you love to see it

Run me through this interaction

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:07 pmI literally said after like 1 post talking to kza that it's not really important

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:07 pmthe problem with spfs read on me has NOTHING to do with the fact she misread me before. That was over a month ago and we have played two t/t games together since then in which she did not have a problem giving a read on me

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:11 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:02 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:56 am apparently me quoting kza to say "weird champ post" is a scum read but jjj quoting someone to say what they did is >rand mafia isn't

you love to see it

Run me through this interaction

my posts about jjj were quickly met with defense from sloonei saying "that's just proverbial poo flinging" as if to say, it's just a day zero read, why take it seriously?

in the same vein my single catch-up post calling something weird champ doesn't seem to be given the same leeway

pretty annoying if you ask me tbh!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:11 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:07 pmI literally said after like 1 post talking to kza that it's not really important

I did almost the exact same thing with my read on Tony. What's your beef?

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:07 pmthe problem with spfs read on me has NOTHING to do with the fact she misread me before. That was over a month ago and we have played two t/t games together since then in which she did not have a problem giving a read on me

Yeah, that's the point. Why does it have nothing to do with that fact? Is it not relevant?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:16 pm Sloonei is town.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:16 pm my beef is my day zero read is being simultaneously discredited while being given importance to

I don't know how to explain that more

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:16 pmI don't think it has any to do with misreading me because the apprehension, if it existed, would have more strongly existed directly after misreading me, not a month later. It makes no sense to me to misread me, attempt to read me twice after and be correct, then decide you're not good enough at reading me to give a thought

the timeline there is just weird

however I'm not calling jess necessarily scum for it as I did have less content than normal and it may just have to do with how she's feeling about this game

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:19 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:16 pm my beef is my day zero read is being simultaneously discredited while being given importance to

I don't know how to explain that more

I believe that you don't know how to explain it more, and that's fine. I still don't understand what you're saying, but I get the impression this entire dialogue has encountered a communication breakdown somewhere. Oh well.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:16 pmI don't think it has any to do with misreading me because the apprehension, if it existed, would have more strongly existed directly after misreading me, not a month later. It makes no sense to me to misread me, attempt to read me twice after and be correct, then decide you're not good enough at reading me to give a thought

the timeline there is just weird

however I'm not calling jess necessarily scum for it as I did have less content than normal and it may just have to do with how she's feeling about this game

Perhaps I am missing some context. I was under the impression SPF's last game with you was Fallout 2, when she read you incorrectly, and that another recent example of the same mistake exists somewhere on the internet. Is that not the case? I literally don't know.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:16 pm Sloonei is town.