The Syndicate

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:49 pm Okay question for the nighties: what's the most parsimonious explanation? Like, assuming no bussing of TSP, who's wolfiest? I think I gathered TSP got voted by RDB and Abi (?) and was trying to get a wagon on RDB, maybe?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:48 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:45 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:42 pm if it's 5-4 today, in your thread, who would alexey be paired with?

No one really pairs nicely in the remaining bunch tbh but I guess I have more reasons for keeping Cape town than Wilgy? That would be wild though, I really am more on the side of thinking there's some sort of shenanigans rather than the numbers being that drastic.

red is exactly how i am feeling too in our thread

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:52 pm Me, Ranmilia, and RDB all voted TSP last minute

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:53 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:52 pm Me, Ranmilia, and RDB all voted TSP last minute

How unanimous was the TSP vote?

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:53 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:53 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:52 pm Me, Ranmilia, and RDB all voted TSP last minute

How unanimous was the TSP vote?

Us, plus flipped town Windward and Gira and flipped ??? Bereft

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:10 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:47 am Now, my holdup here that is a problem this game is that I'm by no means a mechanical player.

Does anyone see or can point out to me exact points of mech contention between players and why?

I assume they exist between Ted/Alexy? Does Leetics present one as well?

The relevant claims are as such:

Alexy claims 2 shot watcher (no additional stipulations)
- n1 PSV, saw scotty, scotty apparently confirmed going to PSV (can you/someone from work thread check the order on this though? who claimed first?)
- n2 Long Con, saw no one visiting

Ted claims 2 shot watcher that "cannot see kills"
- n1 attempted Macdougall, was roleblocked (by WWA who confirmed this and flipped)
- n2 WWA, saw no non killing visits (WWA was nightkilled)

Leetic claims 3 shot tracker (no additional stipulations)
- n1 Bereft, visited no one
- n2 attempted Ted, claims roleblocked/no feedback?
- n3 Abigail, visited no one

also relevant here is:
WWA flipped 2 shot roleblocker
- n1 confirmed in thread that she blocked ted
- n2 she died, did not claim a target in the day, allegedly also did not claim when she was in work thread with Long Con?

... which all adds up to a pile of not helpful. Nothing in any of this is confirmed except possibly alexy seeing scotty, if alexy claimed it first.

Ted/leetic have put forth various arguments for their credibility but they are based on setup spec and circumstantial evidence, nothing actually confirmable or conflicting.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:49 pm Okay question for the nighties: what's the most parsimonious explanation? Like, assuming no bussing of TSP, who's wolfiest? I think I gathered TSP got voted by RDB and Abi (?) and was trying to get a wagon on RDB, maybe?

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:59 pm If Alexy flips wolf, we'll essentially have three confirmed town, which would be nice.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:59 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:59 pm If Alexy flips wolf, we'll essentially have three confirmed town, which would be nice.

huh? who would those be?

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:58 pm The other thread seems more certain on Alexy, which may justify us going there, even if we have a better statistical chance of hitting a wolf in my side

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:00 pm Pyxxy feels PSV is tunneled and shoots down townreads. I am inclined to agree.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:59 pm [VOTE: Alexy] aubergine

I am fine with consolidating here but I am weary of DrWilgy's interactions with Lime Coke from the other day...

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:02 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:00 pm Pyxxy feels PSV is tunneled and shoots down townreads. I am inclined to agree.

Was there any mention in your role card of whether you can watch kills or not?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:00 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:58 pm The other thread seems more certain on Alexy, which may justify us going there, even if we have a better statistical chance of hitting a wolf in my side

Be awfully cringe if I was wrong on Alexy and tutuu/Scotty were right on Dr Wilgy, haha. Yikes
Let it be noted that tutuu very firmly believed DW was a wolf and cased him bussing a partner in a previous game in the same way he would've bussed ilario if they were partners here. Scotty also proclaimed DW was bad. Now they're both dead. Coincidence?
...I mean, behaviorally it seems like Alexy, but if you follow the night kills you can't ignore the shiftiness in that.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:03 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:02 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:00 pm Pyxxy feels PSV is tunneled and shoots down townreads. I am inclined to agree.

Was there any mention in your role card of whether you can watch kills or not?

they said no to this

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:02 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:00 pm Pyxxy feels PSV is tunneled and shoots down townreads. I am inclined to agree.

Was there any mention in your role card of whether you can watch kills or not?

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:03 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:00 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:58 pm The other thread seems more certain on Alexy, which may justify us going there, even if we have a better statistical chance of hitting a wolf in my side

Be awfully cringe if I was wrong on Alexy and tutuu/Scotty were right on Dr Wilgy, haha. Yikes
Let it be noted that tutuu very firmly believed DW was a wolf and cased him bussing a partner in a previous game in the same way he would've bussed ilario if they were partners here. Scotty also proclaimed DW was bad. Now they're both dead. Coincidence?
...I mean, behaviorally it seems like Alexy, but if you follow the night kills you can't ignore the shiftiness in that.

Although we don't know which of tutuu/DM, if any, were killed by the wolves

Although maybe Bereft's role (and someone else's from the other side) is that they become SK at merge?

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:04 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:02 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:00 pm Pyxxy feels PSV is tunneled and shoots down townreads. I am inclined to agree.

Was there any mention in your role card of whether you can watch kills or not?

We've discussed this at least twice. No. My role says I can pick a player on two separate nights and I will be told who visited them that night. That is all.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:08 pm At what point did ted bring up not being able to watch kills? How did that phrasing arise?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:05 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:04 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:02 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:00 pm Pyxxy feels PSV is tunneled and shoots down townreads. I am inclined to agree.

Was there any mention in your role card of whether you can watch kills or not?

We've discussed this at least twice. No. My role says I can pick a player on two separate nights and I will be told who visited them that night. That is all.

Okay
Who do you think is wolfiest from our side of the thread?

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:09 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:08 pm At what point did ted bring up not being able to watch kills? How did that phrasing arise?

He brought it up when he fullclaimed D3 (he claimed PR D2 but didn't specify further. He didn't claim roleblocked, which caught Windward's attention).

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:02 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:59 pm [VOTE: Alexy] aubergine

I am fine with consolidating here but I am weary of DrWilgy's interactions with Lime Coke from the other day...

I kinda missed the whole last day. What went down there that's making you wary?

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:09 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:05 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:04 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:02 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:00 pm Pyxxy feels PSV is tunneled and shoots down townreads. I am inclined to agree.

Was there any mention in your role card of whether you can watch kills or not?

We've discussed this at least twice. No. My role says I can pick a player on two separate nights and I will be told who visited them that night. That is all.

Okay
Who do you think is wolfiest from our side of the thread?

At this point? You tbh. The tunnel on me for nearly the entire game is weird. You've turned my lowposting into this case against me, there's really nothing else. Last game we played together you were barely present and you were town. You've been here quite a bit more than I'm used to.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:15 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:09 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:05 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:04 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:02 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:00 pm Pyxxy feels PSV is tunneled and shoots down townreads. I am inclined to agree.

Was there any mention in your role card of whether you can watch kills or not?

We've discussed this at least twice. No. My role says I can pick a player on two separate nights and I will be told who visited them that night. That is all.

Okay
Who do you think is wolfiest from our side of the thread?

At this point? You tbh. The tunnel on me for nearly the entire game is weird. You've turned my lowposting into this case against me, there's really nothing else. Last game we played together you were barely present and you were town. You've been here quite a bit more than I'm used to.

That's not an accurate characterization of my play from last game but fine. I have been tunneling you this game because I feel like you haven't really given many thoughts or ideas. You've been floating when you're here and I find that curious.

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:17 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:15 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:09 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:05 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:04 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:02 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:00 pm Pyxxy feels PSV is tunneled and shoots down townreads. I am inclined to agree.

Was there any mention in your role card of whether you can watch kills or not?

We've discussed this at least twice. No. My role says I can pick a player on two separate nights and I will be told who visited them that night. That is all.

Okay
Who do you think is wolfiest from our side of the thread?

At this point? You tbh. The tunnel on me for nearly the entire game is weird. You've turned my lowposting into this case against me, there's really nothing else. Last game we played together you were barely present and you were town. You've been here quite a bit more than I'm used to.

That's not an accurate characterization of my play from last game but fine. I have been tunneling you this game because I feel like you haven't really given many thoughts or ideas. You've been floating when you're here and I find that curious.

Have you ever played with me before? When have I ever given many thoughts or ideas?

In any case, that's fine, but I don't think it's a good enough case to vote me off today vs. someone on the night thread.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:22 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:17 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:15 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:09 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:05 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:04 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:02 pm

Was there any mention in your role card of whether you can watch kills or not?

We've discussed this at least twice. No. My role says I can pick a player on two separate nights and I will be told who visited them that night. That is all.

Okay
Who do you think is wolfiest from our side of the thread?

At this point? You tbh. The tunnel on me for nearly the entire game is weird. You've turned my lowposting into this case against me, there's really nothing else. Last game we played together you were barely present and you were town. You've been here quite a bit more than I'm used to.

That's not an accurate characterization of my play from last game but fine. I have been tunneling you this game because I feel like you haven't really given many thoughts or ideas. You've been floating when you're here and I find that curious.

Have you ever played with me before? When have I ever given many thoughts or ideas?

In any case, that's fine, but I don't think it's a good enough case to vote me off today vs. someone on the night thread.

The thing is, at this point it feels like the night thread is a shot in the dark. There's no consensus on even what the PoE is and I haven't the foggiest who I'd pick. There's still very likely a wolf from our team, and it's either Dr. Wilgy or you unless Cape really pulled the wool over everyone's eyes. I'll take the 50/50 over the 20/80.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:22 pm If it's really between DrWilgy and Alexy, that's a 50% anyway? Same as the chances of voting out a wolf in my thread. Still, the bigger problem is that none of those options are picking up steam

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:27 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:22 pm If it's really between DrWilgy and Alexy, that's a 50% anyway? Same as the chances of voting out a wolf in my thread. Still, the bigger problem is that none of those options are picking up steam

Sounds a little like admitting you know the number of wolves left from your thread, no?

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:34 pm Family's going ham so I'm distracted and in and out. Jack is a staunch believer in one of the watcher claims always being a wolf (we are not in full agreement on this) but also says his wilgy faith is shaken.