The Syndicate

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:17 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:09 am Made
MR
DaisyCloud
Jack
TSP

lost monkey
Marmot
Kyle

FMPOV the above are town.

Gavial is my primary 3p read. He's not a pack wolf. I trust he has no TMI based on his play thus far.

If Tim's a wolf, he's partnered with LC. He gave LC an early townshield. "But wolves don't want to look like partners!" Tim's MO as a wolf includes doing those things, I'm sure.

For the record, I reviewed Tim's ISO and I don't townread him. If there's a deepwolf/powerwolf/whatever other than Mac, might be Tim.

I hate that LC pulled this fake redcheck thing. Now I need to read Scotty again.

I'm not sure I've ever seen someone assemble a town core so quickly with so few interactions

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:35 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:17 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:09 am Made
MR
DaisyCloud
Jack
TSP

lost monkey
Marmot
Kyle

FMPOV the above are town.

Gavial is my primary 3p read. He's not a pack wolf. I trust he has no TMI based on his play thus far.

If Tim's a wolf, he's partnered with LC. He gave LC an early townshield. "But wolves don't want to look like partners!" Tim's MO as a wolf includes doing those things, I'm sure.

For the record, I reviewed Tim's ISO and I don't townread him. If there's a deepwolf/powerwolf/whatever other than Mac, might be Tim.

I hate that LC pulled this fake redcheck thing. Now I need to read Scotty again.

I'm not sure I've ever seen someone assemble a town core so quickly with so few interactions

Do you have a problem with it because you're not in it, wolf?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:20 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:57 am I hate that we went so long without getting a wolf flip, I hate that half the player list is tough to read for replacements or slanking, I hate that I feel like I’m using my night actions wrong because it’s like “target a player/shrine/artifact to learn a thing that is absolutely not useful unless you know two other things” and I hate that I spent time thinking about meta that doesn’t apply.

I also hate how ungodly long Morrowind is such that I’ve sunk hundreds of hours into it to get maybe a quarter of the way through. But I also love it.

Does anyone else see this and think "yeah, that's towny"?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:41 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:20 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:57 am I hate that we went so long without getting a wolf flip, I hate that half the player list is tough to read for replacements or slanking, I hate that I feel like I’m using my night actions wrong because it’s like “target a player/shrine/artifact to learn a thing that is absolutely not useful unless you know two other things” and I hate that I spent time thinking about meta that doesn’t apply.

I also hate how ungodly long Morrowind is such that I’ve sunk hundreds of hours into it to get maybe a quarter of the way through. But I also love it.

Does anyone else see this and think "yeah, that's towny"?

Yea. I just about said as much

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:41 am Now my quotes are cursed, what have you done to me Scotty?

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:43 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:41 am Now my quotes are cursed, what have you done to me Scotty?

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:43 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:43 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:41 am Now my quotes are cursed, what have you done to me Scotty?

Given you the freedom to be as cursed as you want to be, laddie

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:43 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:41 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:20 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:57 am I hate that we went so long without getting a wolf flip, I hate that half the player list is tough to read for replacements or slanking, I hate that I feel like I’m using my night actions wrong because it’s like “target a player/shrine/artifact to learn a thing that is absolutely not useful unless you know two other things” and I hate that I spent time thinking about meta that doesn’t apply.

I also hate how ungodly long Morrowind is such that I’ve sunk hundreds of hours into it to get maybe a quarter of the way through. But I also love it.

Does anyone else see this and think "yeah, that's towny"?

Yea. I just about said as much

/quote]
You misunderstand I think. I don't see that as towny, I hate lil pieces of theatre like that.

I work in theater and I don’t see it as performative theater. I mean, I guess it could all be theater since ‘all the world’s a stage’ and shit, but that line doesn’t stand out to me

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:44 am Alright, I gotta be honest. I'm getting a lil' annoyed at my reads being dismissed out of hand. I find it unbelievable that nobody is re-assessing their read on Marmot after Mog flipped town, so whatever I guess, do whatever the fuck you want.



[VOTE: UNVOTE] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:46 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:44 am Alright, I gotta be honest. I'm getting a lil' annoyed at my reads being dismissed out of hand. I find it unbelievable that nobody is re-assessing their read on Marmot after Mog flipped town, so whatever I guess, do whatever the fuck you want.



[VOTE: UNVOTE] aubergine

I have reassessed based on not just Mog’s flip but, more importantly (unless you are forgetting), mac’s flip.

I’m gonna veer back and take a look at you tho, who I had previously read as marmot’s partner.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:54 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:46 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:44 am Alright, I gotta be honest. I'm getting a lil' annoyed at my reads being dismissed out of hand. I find it unbelievable that nobody is re-assessing their read on Marmot after Mog flipped town, so whatever I guess, do whatever the fuck you want.



[VOTE: UNVOTE] aubergine

I have reassessed based on not just Mog’s flip but, more importantly (unless you are forgetting), mac’s flip.

I’m gonna veer back and take a look at you tho, who I had previously read as marmot’s partner.

Go right ahead and come back to the same conclusion you already have, I really don't give a fuck.



I'm not forgetting Mac's flip, I encouraged it and I'm glad he's fucking dead. Thank you Molag's Champ.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:55 am Hey @Qwags i don’t know if you’ve read the game at all in the past 100 pages but we could maybe use your vote here

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:00 pm

Night 3




BoKnows has been killed. He was the Orc Bard, and Malacath's Champion.

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Role: Orc Bard
Race: Orc
Alignment: Town
Available Shrines: Malacath

Malacath’s Champion. You must access Malacath’s Shrine each Night. You begin each Day with -1 vote against you.

You wield the Artifact Volendrung.
The wielder of Volendrung’s vote is permanently worth 2. The wielder of Volendrung decides the outcome of tied votes.
The Artifact will remain in your possession as long you remain alive.
If you are nightkilled by Mehrunes’ Razor, the Artifact will be passed into the possession of the Mafia team.
If you die under any other circumstances, the Artifact will be destroyed except under certain circumstances under which it will pass into the possession of a Civilian, unbeknownst to you.

KZA has been killed. He was the Breton Apprentice.

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 7:44 pm Role: Breton Apprentice
Race: Breton
Alignment: Town
Available Shrines: Hermaeus Mora, Namira, Sheogorath, Vaermina

• Azura - If you die while accessing Azura’s Shrine, you will be able to share your most recent night action report with a player of your choice, chosen within 24 hours of your death.

• Hermaeus Mora - You learn a new spell, granting you a random 1-shot ability to be used that Night.

• Namira - You may target a Shrine. You will be told what types of abilities are accessed there that Night. You will not learn the identities or alignments of any players at the Shrine.

• Sheogorath - Chaos

• Vaermina - You can target a player to learn whether or not they are aligned with the Mafia team.

You may not visit the same shrine twice during any 3-night span. For example, if you visit Sheogorath’s Shrine on Night 1, you may not access it again until Night 4.

MacDougall has been killed. He was the Breton Monk, a member of the Order of the Revenant.

Spoiler: show

Role: Breton Monk
Race: Breton
Alignment: Mafia
Designated Shrines: Azura, Clavicus Vile, Hermaeus Mora, Peryite, Sheogorath

• Azura - You may target a player to be protected from nightkills that Night.

• Clavicus Vile - You may target a player to learn what race their role is.

• Hermaeus Mora - You may target a Shrine of your choice. You will be told whether or not there is an Artifact present there that Night.

• Peryite - You may target a player to delay their Shrine access recharge by 1 phase. Any Shrines they are currently restricted from accessing due to recent access will remain unavailable to them one phase longer than normal.

• Sheogorath - Chaos.

• Vaermina - You may target a player to learn one Shrine ability they have available to them.

You may not visit the same shrine twice during any 3-night span. For example, if you visit Sheogorath’s Shrine on Night 1, you may not access it again until Night 4.

It is Day 4. You have 48 hours to eliminate someone.

@Qwags is eligible to cast a vote in the poll today. He may not post in the thread.
Night action results will be sent out momentarily, my apologies for the delay.

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@DaisyCloud
@falcon45ca
@Gavial
@Jackofhearts2005
@Kylemii
@Long Con
@lost monkey
@Made
@Marmot
@Master Radishes
@Nachomamma8
@Quin
@Scotty
@Timsup2nothin
@TonyStarkPrime
@Vulgard

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:33 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:57 am

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:50 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:27 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:52 am That’s good “SK is Gav” equity right there

Do NOT press for claims on what shrine people went to. Notice that Mac had a "was there an artifact at shrine X? power. We do not know what night he used that power or what shrine he targeted. Molag Ball dude so NOT say anything about what shrines you have visited. If townies try to press it out of you...well, town will willage. Sorry.

Didn't notice that before but thinks it adds to the likelihood of Long Con pulling a long Con here - his shrine related antics make a hell of a lot more sense if he was actually digging for artifact info via Mac power.

Yeah.

Or Scotty is just a wolf.

Kza got two checks in two nights. Is it far fetched that another check went out? No it is not.

I've read Long Con as town even longer than i have read Scotty as town. I am not really ready to jump either way here.

And you’ve plummeted again

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:57 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:33 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:57 am

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:50 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:27 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:52 am That’s good “SK is Gav” equity right there

Do NOT press for claims on what shrine people went to. Notice that Mac had a "was there an artifact at shrine X? power. We do not know what night he used that power or what shrine he targeted. Molag Ball dude so NOT say anything about what shrines you have visited. If townies try to press it out of you...well, town will willage. Sorry.

Didn't notice that before but thinks it adds to the likelihood of Long Con pulling a long Con here - his shrine related antics make a hell of a lot more sense if he was actually digging for artifact info via Mac power.

Yeah.

Or Scotty is just a wolf.

Kza got two checks in two nights. Is it far fetched that another check went out? No it is not.

I've read Long Con as town even longer than i have read Scotty as town. I am not really ready to jump either way here.

And you’ve plummeted again

C'mon man. Some one I have town read since say one...the first person I got a town read on in the game...claims a red check on you...and you are sweating me for wondering if maybe you are a wolf???

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:57 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:00 pm

Night 3




BoKnows has been killed. He was the Orc Bard, and Malacath's Champion.

Spoiler: show

Role: Orc Bard
Race: Orc
Alignment: Town
Available Shrines: Malacath

Malacath’s Champion. You must access Malacath’s Shrine each Night. You begin each Day with -1 vote against you.

You wield the Artifact Volendrung.
The wielder of Volendrung’s vote is permanently worth 2. The wielder of Volendrung decides the outcome of tied votes.
The Artifact will remain in your possession as long you remain alive.
If you are nightkilled by Mehrunes’ Razor, the Artifact will be passed into the possession of the Mafia team.
If you die under any other circumstances, the Artifact will be destroyed except under certain circumstances under which it will pass into the possession of a Civilian, unbeknownst to you.

KZA has been killed. He was the Breton Apprentice.

Spoiler: show

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 7:44 pm Role: Breton Apprentice
Race: Breton
Alignment: Town
Available Shrines: Hermaeus Mora, Namira, Sheogorath, Vaermina

• Azura - If you die while accessing Azura’s Shrine, you will be able to share your most recent night action report with a player of your choice, chosen within 24 hours of your death.

• Hermaeus Mora - You learn a new spell, granting you a random 1-shot ability to be used that Night.

• Namira - You may target a Shrine. You will be told what types of abilities are accessed there that Night. You will not learn the identities or alignments of any players at the Shrine.

• Sheogorath - Chaos

• Vaermina - You can target a player to learn whether or not they are aligned with the Mafia team.

You may not visit the same shrine twice during any 3-night span. For example, if you visit Sheogorath’s Shrine on Night 1, you may not access it again until Night 4.

MacDougall has been killed. He was the Breton Monk, a member of the Order of the Revenant.

Spoiler: show

Role: Breton Monk
Race: Breton
Alignment: Mafia
Designated Shrines: Azura, Clavicus Vile, Hermaeus Mora, Peryite, Sheogorath

• Azura - You may target a player to be protected from nightkills that Night.

• Clavicus Vile - You may target a player to learn what race their role is.

• Hermaeus Mora - You may target a Shrine of your choice. You will be told whether or not there is an Artifact present there that Night.

• Peryite - You may target a player to delay their Shrine access recharge by 1 phase. Any Shrines they are currently restricted from accessing due to recent access will remain unavailable to them one phase longer than normal.

• Sheogorath - Chaos.

• Vaermina - You may target a player to learn one Shrine ability they have available to them.

You may not visit the same shrine twice during any 3-night span. For example, if you visit Sheogorath’s Shrine on Night 1, you may not access it again until Night 4.

It is Day 4. You have 48 hours to eliminate someone.

@Qwags is eligible to cast a vote in the poll today. He may not post in the thread.
Night action results will be sent out momentarily, my apologies for the delay.

Spoiler: show

@DaisyCloud
@falcon45ca
@Gavial
@Jackofhearts2005
@Kylemii
@Long Con
@lost monkey
@Made
@Marmot
@Master Radishes
@Nachomamma8
@Quin
@Scotty
@Timsup2nothin
@TonyStarkPrime
@Vulgard

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:57 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:33 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:57 am

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:50 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:27 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:52 am That’s good “SK is Gav” equity right there

Do NOT press for claims on what shrine people went to. Notice that Mac had a "was there an artifact at shrine X? power. We do not know what night he used that power or what shrine he targeted. Molag Ball dude so NOT say anything about what shrines you have visited. If townies try to press it out of you...well, town will willage. Sorry.

Didn't notice that before but thinks it adds to the likelihood of Long Con pulling a long Con here - his shrine related antics make a hell of a lot more sense if he was actually digging for artifact info via Mac power.

Yeah.

Or Scotty is just a wolf.

Kza got two checks in two nights. Is it far fetched that another check went out? No it is not.

I've read Long Con as town even longer than i have read Scotty as town. I am not really ready to jump either way here.

And you’ve plummeted again

C'mon man. Some one I have town read since say one...the first person I got a town read on in the game...claims a red check on you...and you are sweating me for wondering if maybe you are a wolf???

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:43 am TL;DR Do you have any evidence/basis for what you've just said?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 9:53 am I don't really have a Scotty red check. Just thought it would be fun to shake things up a little.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:20 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:57 am I hate that we went so long without getting a wolf flip, I hate that half the player list is tough to read for replacements or slanking, I hate that I feel like I’m using my night actions wrong because it’s like “target a player/shrine/artifact to learn a thing that is absolutely not useful unless you know two other things” and I hate that I spent time thinking about meta that doesn’t apply.

I also hate how ungodly long Morrowind is such that I’ve sunk hundreds of hours into it to get maybe a quarter of the way through. But I also love it.

Does anyone else see this and think "yeah, that's towny"?

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:00 am I'm voting Long Con and I encourage others to join me and I'm putting my faith in the strength of the Scotty town read. Scotty interactions with Mac make zero fucking sense coming from scum and the way his paranoia evolved and abated is something that I don't think scum is able to fake.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:19 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 9:53 am I don't really have a Scotty red check. Just thought it would be fun to shake things up a little.

Well there's a development. If you weren't my first town read in the game I'd murder you just because.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:46 pm If he did he’s town if not he’s also town

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:55 am Meta read on MR: he's town y'all

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:48 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:19 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 9:53 am I don't really have a Scotty red check. Just thought it would be fun to shake things up a little.

Well there's a development. If you weren't my first town read in the game I'd murder you just because.

Why? That's ridiculous.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:52 pm Because of LC’s shenanigans he forced me to look into him more, which I don’t think I would have done this phase anyway, but now that I did- I see a comparable w/w with Mac. I saw Vulgard iso’d him in a matter of 3 minutes and somehow came away that they don’t make a good w/w pairing, but I can’t really see how they came to that conclusion.

On the flip side, nacho has been the mildest and well-natured towards me, so he’s probably bad

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 7:09 am I think Daisy's a wolf.

- Her ISO is a hedge maze.
- Her townreads contain at least two wolves. Scotty and Mac. Both have never been explained, she just plopped them in there.
- Her pushes have been wolfsided. Pushes on Gavial who I'm certain is town. OMGUS push on Jack who wrote a great case on her.
- Does not seem to care much about the d1 wagons or the d2 wagons, both of which were V/V from my perspective.
- Asks literal hundreds of questions, yet they don't inform her reads. I never saw her come back to any question she had asked prior. She asks them and moves on.
- Her actions such as the pinging of inactives and mechanical discussion look performative. Instead of wolfhunting, she tries to get people to do things; but not things that comprise wolfhunting.
- Her argument with Kyle is a major part of her d1 ISO. After it's over, though, she plops a townread on Kyle and never comes back to this. In her later readlists, Kyle actually trends down, but there's no visible reason for it.
- Her playstyle is extremely chaotic, but has no wolfhunting direction. She has stuck to three townreads her entire game. Her scumreads have fluctuated without a decent sense of progression. And her reasons for pushing some scumreads (which she does rarely; she has only done this twice in this entire game, as described below) are terrible.
- Her initial reason for pushing on Gavial is because he... easily claimed his role. And she doesn't even call him mafia, she says he's better off removed from the game because wolves can exploit his bad position, or he's mafia.
- Her reason for pushing on Jack is terrible. She pushes him because she thinks his case on her is a false narrative. Even when other people point out that it might not be, she ignores that. It's basically OMGUS.
- She writes a ton of LAMIST posts. Many include "I am very town"-type statements.
- Her posts look padded. She might just be a rambly person, but I've read all her long posts and they all say almost nothing of value. Makes me think they were written for towncred.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:53 pm Let's yeet Tim now.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:17 am if we flipped the below names

Enrique
lost monkey
made
master radiation
nacho

I'm calling 2 wolves at min and nothing of value lost.

Where's the mass kill button?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:55 am Nachomamma's ISO I could best describe as inoffensive. There's nothing in it that definitively told me they have no TMI. But it is not a dumpster fire and I do not want to kill this yet.

Falcon's ISO is a step below that. He spent most of the game pushing LHF. The push on Marmot is especially notable because he's tunneled on it hard. If Marmot's mafia, then this looks better for him, but I currently don't think Marmot's a wolf.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:59 pm I am allowed to be town and have wrong reads?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:57 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:52 pm Because of LC’s shenanigans he forced me to look into him more, which I don’t think I would have done this phase anyway, but now that I did- I see a comparable w/w with Mac. I saw Vulgard iso’d him in a matter of 3 minutes and somehow came away that they don’t make a good w/w pairing, but I can’t really see how they came to that conclusion.

On the flip side, nacho has been the mildest and well-natured towards me, so he’s probably bad

Wait, what? Vulgard came away with "not a good pairing"? He has LC in his final team though...

Meanwhile...I tinfoil on you and act like a jerk, and that makes me bad...and Nacho is mild and well-natured, and that makes him bad? Could you make up your mind at some point please?

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:58 pm Going down the WIFOM slide again weeeeeeee

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:17 am if we flipped the below names

Enrique
lost monkey
made
master radiation
nacho

I'm calling 2 wolves at min and nothing of value lost.

Where's the mass kill button?

This was day 3, if I recall after KZA green checked made.

What are the odds at least 1 or even, as Mac said, “2 wolves at min” exist in the others?

I’m looking at monkey, nacho and Vulgard rn. Vulgard I’m more bullish on atm, and Radiation has had a positive presence so ima look into nacho and monkey first