The Syndicate

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 2:47 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:37 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:35 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:33 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:32 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:31 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:28 pm
Seanzie how are you not partnered with SPF?

*brushes Rondo aside*

dont be lewd, its against the community standards

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

since you wont answer me [VOTE: SPF ] aubergine

I didn't answer what?

@Porscha

This is an example of a convo between Rondo and Seanzie from yesterday EoD that came off as not w/w because as the convo progressed, Seanzie seemed to be confused with what Rondo was talking about and they don't seem to be on the same page.

do you mean this? tbh i dont really agree that this is dissociating since it's not like wolves are guaranteed to be coordinating their conversations at all times in wolf chat, and it's pretty common for wolves to have miscommunications or get confused about what the other person is trying to say

any other reasons u can think of to dissociate them? @arogame123 @Lilypetal @Porscha

And I want to try a different hypothetical which might be a bit more telling.

@staypositivefriend and @Lilypetal if the other flips mafia, then who would you believe is the likeliest partner and last mafia?

I believe you answered this before SPF, but I’d like to hear both of ur thoughts real time.

i have this horrible sinking feeling in my stomach right now because i actually think that i might have just solved the game but ive been playing like an absolute idiot if my solve is correct

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:45 am And I want to try a different hypothetical which might be a bit more telling.

@staypositivefriend and @Lilypetal if the other flips mafia, then who would you believe is the likeliest partner and last mafia?

I believe you answered this before SPF, but I’d like to hear both of ur thoughts real time.

actually hang on, i think im on to something that involves lily not being mafia and me just being the worst mafia player of all time

I can pull up some other convos later that I saw once I get home. But I guess you do bring up a point, it’s just during EOD and how fast paced it is and because of context made me read that specific interaction as not w/w.

@Porscha did you have any thoughts as well?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:47 am

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:45 am And I want to try a different hypothetical which might be a bit more telling.

@staypositivefriend and @Lilypetal if the other flips mafia, then who would you believe is the likeliest partner and last mafia?

I believe you answered this before SPF, but I’d like to hear both of ur thoughts real time.

actually hang on, i think im on to something that involves lily not being mafia and me just being the worst mafia player of all time

Lol, lmk what you are thinking. That was a quick turn; I’d like to hear your thoughts.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:35 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:34 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:32 am i mean i'm still open to you being town too but it feels like we're at an impasse because it seems like ur no longer interested in discussing the game with me and that you're set on me being a wolf, which in turn makes it more difficult for me to see you as town too

why do you think this lol

it's just the vibe i've gotten from the way you've spoken about me today - seems like your mind is made up in a similar way that nook's is and that ur playing from the assumption that im going to flip today, which in turn makes me feel more paranoid about u and makes me feel like ur mafia trying to push through my miselimination

if u are actually town and u are actually trying to re-eval me then im sorry for misreading ur thought process entirely

i think the core problem i have rn is that i think anyone wolf reading me have to be reaching super far

like okay, let's ignore the rest of the game and assume you are town. if you are town, then it makes the most sense that wolves pushed for boq to die because boq is someone who could've been reevaled wayyyy easier than you. therefore, the wolves are in the people who pushed boq to die at eod. I am not one of those players. This is part of why I TR nook so so highly because the specific play of you dying yesterday would've closed the wolves in way more than a boq elim. obviously for town hindsight is 20/20 which is why it's dawning on me now but wolves definitely knew this. I have an incredible amount of reasons to SR you and assume you are a wolf but the gamestate + clearing interactions with alison + swapping my vote at eod 1 (like boq cleared me for) all add up to me just being town. You said no one has any reason to SR you but there's plenty and even if they're not that reasonable and could be explained as town you are the reason the game is where it is and if you die for it so be it.

All that being said I have taken in what Porscha has said and tried to reevaluate you and I want to win this game. If nook is saying "i will vote spf in lylo" then you can't really live though and tbh I'm not seeing many reasons for you to live anyway but I will continue to try until eod

rambling but basically im town ur alignment is ??? is what it is but im trying my best

jesus christ i am so fucking stupid

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:46 am i have this horrible sinking feeling in my stomach right now because i actually think that i might have just solved the game but ive been playing like an absolute idiot if my solve is correct

interesting

lilypetal stay online if ur here please im making a post right now and i think i just broke the game open lol

yeah i'll be here checking in for a bit

honestly even if ur a wolf roping me in im fascinated enough to probably go along with it so u have my full attention

how did seanzie and rondo interact?

-seanzie calls out rondo for not posting enough content in this post (viewtopic.php?p=956470#p956470) and then never follows up with it again

-after rondo makes a post asking seanzie a basic question about his reads, seanzie votes for rondo and says it is the "wolfiest post he has seen all game" (viewtopic.php?p=956777#p956777)

-on viewtopic.php?p=956852#p956852, seanzie refers to rondo as an "outed wolf"

-on viewtopic.php?p=957026#p957026, rondo/seanzie have a softball interaction about rondo's read on alison

-on viewtopic.php?p=958170#p958170, seanzie discredits my reasoning for townreading rondo and implies that it is fallacious

-in response to aro posting a list of towns, seanzie says that he thinks rondo and porscha are the two most likely who could be wolves, but they could all "easily be okay" (viewtopic.php?p=958470#p958470)

-seanzie responds to a post from rondo and says that he does not think rondo is town, and that he thinks the mafia are boq/lily. if one of boq/lily are town, he says he thinks that the mafia is me. if there's still a mafia after that, he thinks it would be rondo (viewtopic.php?p=958475#p958475)

from this point forward, the two of them continue to have some lightly contentious interactions that are pretty silly/lighthearted in tone

how did rondo and seanzie interact?


-rondo says that if alison flips mafia, seanzie is "town or deep wolf", which is a non-sequitur and a meaningless thing to say (viewtopic.php?p=956365#p956365)

-rondo says he likes a post from seanzie (viewtopic.php?p=954734#p954734)

-rondo asks creature to talk more about why he scumreads seanzie - does not follow up with this question ever again (viewtopic.php?p=956453#p956453)

-viewtopic.php?p=956731#p956731 softball interaction between the two of them

-rondo says that seanzie and alison have W/W equity on viewtopic.php?p=956737#p956737

-more softball interaction on viewtopic.php?p=956756#p956756

-viewtopic.php?p=956828#p956828 rondo implies that he townreads seanzie out of nowhere, in spite of his last interaction with seanzie implying that he thought that seanzie/alison had W/W equity

-rondo reacts to seanzie's vote on him by calling him an "outed wolf" viewtopic.php?p=956843#p956843

-....in spite of this, he calls seanzie a townlean shortly after anyway, and says it's because "seanzie made a ridiculous push on me" (viewtopic.php?p=957030#p957030)

-rono quotes a post from seanzie, calls it scummy, and says he "could go seanzie" (viewtopic.php?p=958474#p958474)

-rondo/seanzie have some brief interaction in which rondo cocnludes that he will "keep tunneling" seanzie (viewtopic.php?p=958481#p958481)

-viewtopic.php?p=960291#p960291 rondo says that he "wouldn't be surprised if seanzie was a wolf"

SO, in short, (this is the important part of the post that you should read):

from seanzie's side of things, seanzie very briefly pushed rondo at a couple of points throughout d1 and d2 - referring to him as an "outed wolf" and saying that he made the scummiest post he has ever seen

from d3 onward, seanzie stops pushing on rondo entirely, signal boosts a readslist from aro that contains rondo as town, and says that he would resolve me/illy/boq before he would push on rondo. he has made no further attempts to develop his read on rondo, push on rondo, or signal boost any suspicion toward rondo whatsoever. instead, he has consistently pushed a POE of me/lily/boq while giving rondo the cold shoulder

from rondo's side of things, rondo has a few softball interactions with seanzie early in the game, says that alison/seanzie have W/W equity multiple times, calls seanzie an outed wolf, and then suddenly shifts to townreading seanzie for vague and unclear reasons. from here, rondo makes several posts shading seanzie by saying he "wouldn't be surprised if seanzie was a wolf", but he has continued to push a POE of me/lily/boq

so, in short, what do rondo and seanzie both have in common?

well, they have both been quietly sitting back for the last several dayphases and pushing a POE of me/lily/boquise, while occasionally implying that the other person might be a wolf while making no attempts to push or develop reads on the other. both of them have called each other "outed wolves" at various points but neither of them have followed through on pushing on each other. both of them have called the other one suspicious but neither of them have attempted to put them into their POEs

rondo and seanzie have done absolutely nothing for the gamestate over the last few days and have been quietly sitting back and pushing a POE that is guaranteed to win them the game if they are W/W with each other

can anyone give me ANY reason why i should not view rondo and seanzie as partnered with each other based on all of this? they are playing in an incredibly synchronous way, and their progressions on each other are almost identical. they are both pushing the same POE that would allow me/lily to get killed one after the other. they have both made no attempts to disrupt the gamestate whatsoever

the reason why i said i'm a fucking idiot is because this means i've spent the entire game simping hard for both of the wolves and hard tunneling people based on my ego and my disbelief that they would read me incorrectly while letting two of the most scummy players in the history of mafia slide under the radar because they have good tone

fuck that

i think that we live in the nightmare world of rondo/seanzie W/W and that me, lily, porscha, and aro are all town. it's the explanation that makes all of the pieces fit for me right now, and it makes so much more sense than the previous world i was theorizing of lily + 1 of rondo/seanzie

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

i don't even care if people listen to me anymore, i think i solved the game

let freedom reign

lily if my theory is right then i am truly sorry for literally everything ive said to you in the last 3 dayphases

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

apology accepted

let's kill some wolves

that post gave me such a dopamine rush i s2g

i struggle so hard with reading people on my first game w them and ISOing on this site is turbo hell imo but when u put it side by side

it's like if you read the wiki page for w/w interactions

yeah

that's why i posted "im such a fucking idiot" about 5 minutes into reading their interactions because they've been playing as a unit for 3 dayphases straight and i didnt even think to ISO them until aro asked me who the maf might be in a world where youre town lol

i think it just makes sense cuz like

nook like i said pushed for a town gamestate like as any alignment you dying last day phase was better for town than boq so + points for nook

porscha has 0 reason to town read both of us if as a wolf unless she is a wolf with u and was trying to save u but that's so fucking unlikely i won't even consider it so + points for porscha

aro responded to porscha's pressure REALLY WELL and kinda got rid of all my paranoia about him. I think this will be the town aro game I compare future games to going forward if he's indeed town. + points for aro

and we've been through this game side by side doing everything incorrect. it's like i said at the start of the day if we're both town wouldn't sweeping the last two wolves together be quite cathartic?

so if you're town, it just makes sense. it does fit together perfectly if you think about it

@Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @arogame123

when you have time please give your thoughts

nanook especially

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:32 am i think it just makes sense cuz like

nook like i said pushed for a town gamestate like as any alignment you dying last day phase was better for town than boq so + points for nook

porscha has 0 reason to town read both of us if as a wolf unless she is a wolf with u and was trying to save u but that's so fucking unlikely i won't even consider it so + points for porscha

aro responded to porscha's pressure REALLY WELL and kinda got rid of all my paranoia about him. I think this will be the town aro game I compare future games to going forward if he's indeed town. + points for aro

and we've been through this game side by side doing everything incorrect. it's like i said at the start of the day if we're both town wouldn't sweeping the last two wolves together be quite cathartic?

so if you're town, it just makes sense. it does fit together perfectly if you think about it

i agree with everything you said in this post but also i want to add that it perfectly explains why rondo and seanzie have both been pushing a POE of exactly you/me/boq, because they needed those exact 3 miseliminations to win the game tomorrow in LYLO, and they are both clearly positioning themselves to push on you tomorrow after i get eliminated and flip V

and i was playing right into their hands until literally this moment

this is a mutiny. we're rising up and taking the power back from the wolves. u have no power over us anymore

god i wish everyone was online rn lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:37 am god i wish everyone was online rn lol

me too lol at least i get to wake up to the reactions

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:37 pm Strangely I am ok with Porscha having the choice. I thought I would scum read her more. Maybe she is town?

this is such an incredibly strange post

just rereading eod and rondo and seanzie seem like aliens trying to fit in

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:37 pm Strangely I am ok with Porscha having the choice. I thought I would scum read her more. Maybe she is town?

POV: You Definitely Don't Have TMI of Porscha's Alignment

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 4:00 am @Porscha - you're probably the only person in the game that i trust right now, so i'm going to focus on talking with you for most of the rest of today. i''m open to considering a world where aro is mafia, but i'm honestly really struggling to get there. his treatment of me doesn't make all that much sense to me in a world where he is a wolf - he actively tried to find me as town yesterday when i was being widely POE'd and voted boq with me when it would have been incredibly easy to get me miseliminated, and he continues to feel like one of the most enthusastic/committed solvers to me today

i'm open to a world where i'm being pocketed and misclearing him too easily but i kind of need help to get there tbh. what is the wolfiest thing about him in your opinion?

idk I think there was a couple things he didn't directly answer in the 20 questions i'd ask him each post but I think he's town or wolfing too well to be caught today one way or another so w/e i'll throw focus somewhere else

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 8:35 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 8:00 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 2:42 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:00 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:55 pm What more can I do to look town?

c'mon now. lol

See the way you say this just makes me think you think I am town so loo

Your 2 intro posts to today were wildly wolfy but you are already aware and idk of you're double triple whiplashing me here or what but I had to comment for sure lol

Hahah those two posts are nai for me

says the guy who said he ran out of kooky juice from a previous game

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:44 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:37 pm Strangely I am ok with Porscha having the choice. I thought I would scum read her more. Maybe she is town?

POV: You Definitely Don't Have TMI of Porscha's Alignment

this was very funny thank you

porscha please read me and lily's posts on this page ASAP i think that we solved the game

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:01 am If spf is town and you guys don't kill her today and we lose tomorrow because I voted her im putting the blame entirely on the rest of you, ive been exceedingly clear that I cannot get past my scumread of her while she's alive

Like to be absolutely crystal clear, I am parked on her from now until she dies or the game ends

I have a moral quarrel with this post at least just fess up and apologize for letting yourself make this decision instead of blaming it on everybody else. only you can prevent forest fires and not blame your friends when you literally told them you can't stop yourself from dropping a lit match on a dry pile of leaves. that is a you problem

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:18 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:14 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:01 am If spf is town and you guys don't kill her today and we lose tomorrow because I voted her im putting the blame entirely on the rest of you, ive been exceedingly clear that I cannot get past my scumread of her while she's alive

Like to be absolutely crystal clear, I am parked on her from now until she dies or the game ends

nah dont pull this, if we are both alive in LYLO tomorrow and you vote me and we lose then it's your responsibility and no one elses. it is also your responsibility for me getting mischopped today

If everyone else wants to try and kill mafia outside of you, fine, whatever, but nobody can complain about "NaNoOk DiDnT rEaSeSs" or whatever if you're town and we lose at f5 because of it lol, I am being extremely clear about my intent, I am really tired of ending up at endgames where I have to make a choice between people I wanted poe'd and/or killed and then getting blamed if I pick wrong lol, if im gonna have to make the choice at f5 I want to at least have it set up for me to be able to go so optimally, which means if you're town you gotta die today

stop slanking and you'll get killed by n3 every time

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:58 am porscha please read me and lily's posts on this page ASAP i think that we solved the game

okay ya ya ya ya I gotta catch up just got home from work

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:24 am i'd like to propose that we kill lilypetal today

if lilypetal flips town it will mean that i am the worst scumhunter who has ever played a mafia game before and i will immediately self-vote in LYLO and accept the loss

you might think that i'm joking, but i totally mean it. i will gladly and willingly die tomorrow if we kill lily and we are still in LYLO

this is literally so funny why do people get like this just try to win instead of acting like your ego is more important. we'd all rather resolve the issue and then get a fat W instead of this stuff lmao (not just @ you spf.......................... many another)

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:59 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:01 am If spf is town and you guys don't kill her today and we lose tomorrow because I voted her im putting the blame entirely on the rest of you, ive been exceedingly clear that I cannot get past my scumread of her while she's alive

Like to be absolutely crystal clear, I am parked on her from now until she dies or the game ends

I have a moral quarrel with this post at least just fess up and apologize for letting yourself make this decision instead of blaming it on everybody else. only you can prevent forest fires and not blame your friends when you literally told them you can't stop yourself from dropping a lit match on a dry pile of leaves. that is a you problem

"I told my friends im an alcoholic but they snuck alcohol into my food anyways" look i can make shiity analogies too

that was the SPF from 2 hours ago. she was young and foolish and egotistical. the SPF now is old and wise and correct

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:47 am I can pull up some other convos later that I saw once I get home. But I guess you do bring up a point, it’s just during EOD and how fast paced it is and because of context made me read that specific interaction as not w/w.

@Porscha did you have any thoughts as well?

I also thought the the one convo you pulled wasn't particularly indicative of anything but I have kept sean / rondo in poe for a reason and went hard defending spf cuz spf has virtually 0 partners in this game I think. rondo talking about his wifom and what he is or isn't capable of constantly is too much for me it's particularly wolfy like I don't need every questionable thing he says to be responded to with "it's nai for me" because... bet? on god? no cap? that isn't convincing in the slightest? lmao

nanook read my and lily's posts on this page and tell me what you think please

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:34 am @Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @arogame123

when you have time please give your thoughts

nanook especially

I feel I've been extremely clear lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:09 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:34 am @Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @arogame123

when you have time please give your thoughts

nanook especially

I feel I've been extremely clear lol

she is clearly asking you to comment on the interaction that me and lily had where we probably solved the game together. look beyond your conf bias for a minute and tell me if you think the case makes sense

I'm aware what she's asking and I genuinely do not know how much clearer I can say "I cannot get past my spf scum read" lol

Anyways most of it is fine, i don't really agree with the reasons for clearing aro and I think that's probably the weakest link

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:34 am @Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @arogame123

when you have time please give your thoughts

nanook especially

Hey, I just got home and I am super tired and I see the case is pretty large. I plan to look at it tomorrow and will give my thoughts and opinions then. I see SPF is pushing Rondo/Seanzie and it also seemed that Porscha believed the earlier interactions I brought up between the two wasn't indicative.

I see you are on the same boat as well? If you don't mind, could you give a TL;DR when u get the chance please?

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:18 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:34 am @Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @arogame123

when you have time please give your thoughts

nanook especially

Hey, I just got home and I am super tired and I see the case is pretty large. I plan to look at it tomorrow and will give my thoughts and opinions then. I see SPF is pushing Rondo/Seanzie and it also seemed that Porscha believed the earlier interactions I brought up between the two wasn't indicative.

I see you are on the same boat as well? If you don't mind, could you give a TL;DR when u get the chance please?

Its not actually that dense tbh, spf is good at summarizing

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:20 am

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:18 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:34 am @Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @arogame123

when you have time please give your thoughts

nanook especially

Hey, I just got home and I am super tired and I see the case is pretty large. I plan to look at it tomorrow and will give my thoughts and opinions then. I see SPF is pushing Rondo/Seanzie and it also seemed that Porscha believed the earlier interactions I brought up between the two wasn't indicative.

I see you are on the same boat as well? If you don't mind, could you give a TL;DR when u get the chance please?

Its not actually that dense tbh, spf is good at summarizing

It's been a long day and I'm kind dead rn lol