Mountain Mafia [END]

[dunya]

I mean if Elo flips scum, we should wait and see what would happen Night 8 before we decide whether to try our luck with lynching an inactive (nijuu/sig...not hot on sig tbh) or start looking at one of the following:

speedchuck
Quin
DDL

Definitely agreed with the first part, but I would not remove nutella from that list.
Do you have any thoughts on which of those three might be scum?

don't make me start tunneling nutella again. I thought everyone told me to stop

What do you think of my speedchuck theory?

I'm not familiar with it. Where did you discuss it?

I liked the theory that speedchuck is town due to being the third wagon on Day 4 after Jay and Wilgy.

oh ignore my theory then.

Anyway it's just cos speedchuck is a fucking great mafia player I worry about him. damn him.

let's focus on DDL / Quin if Eloh is scum and nijuu isnt.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

maybe the mafia will even decide not to send a kill tonight either so we think that nijuuk and sig are the last wolves 0:

that would be the best move I sure hope they don't do that

Well that's not unsportsman like and I've done a similar thing myself once.

My role was a jester who turned into a serial killer if he didn't get lynched day 1. I got lynched day 1 and won the game but another player used a revive on me with made me "unwin" the game so now I had to be a serial killer. I proceeded to spend the whole game without killing anyone so people would think I was still a jester. It was fun because I acted as scummy as possible for a full game. And then I won it again.

Who's bad?

Eloh.

Then one of Quin/Kyle/Sig/Blooper

[Sloonei]

Long Con is the easiest suspect to name after Elohcin, but one of the standout interactions from Wilgy's ISO is this chain of posts:

I'm still not voting for malakim any time soon.

Not wanting to pull off the band-aid?

Good job everyone.

What do we think of LC? He was early to adopt the J3 suspicion last cycle but voted Speed. I recall thinking he was bad previous and now something isn't sitting right.

What do we think of LC? He was early to adopt the J3 suspicion last cycle but voted Speed. I recall thinking he was bad previous and now something isn't sitting right.

I don't recall adopting the JJJ suspicion. Are you sure your memories of that are accurate?

Lemme double cherck.

Chercking is what happens when a jerk checks. jk

You right. Idk what made me think you agreed with it. Bad feeling about LC absolved.

These posts came within ~10 minutes of each other. That means in those 10 minutes, wilgy went from naming LC as a suspect, to being refuted and totally backing off the suspicion. I get strong anti-teammate vibes from this. If scum wilgy wants to bus his teammate, he's going to do so with actual evidence and he's not going to throw in the towel immediately. This looks like a sincere effort by wilgy to smear Long Con, and when it was revealed that his line of suspicion was false, he had to abandon the plan.

[Sloonei]

Who's bad?

one of Quin/Kyle/Sig/Blooper

which one?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Who's bad?

one of Quin/Kyle/Sig/Blooper

which one?

For now Quin.

[Sloonei]

Who's bad?

one of Quin/Kyle/Sig/Blooper

which one?

For now Quin.

I don't think so.
why are you ruling out nutella?

[Kylemii]

maybe the mafia will even decide not to send a kill tonight either so we think that nijuuk and sig are the last wolves 0:

that would be the best move I sure hope they don't do that

Well that's not unsportsman like and I've done a similar thing myself once.

My role was a jester who turned into a serial killer if he didn't get lynched day 1. I got lynched day 1 and won the game but another player used a revive on me with made me "unwin" the game so now I had to be a serial killer. I proceeded to spend the whole game without killing anyone so people would think I was still a jester. It was fun because I acted as scummy as possible for a full game. And then I won it again.

Oh my god that's beautiful, that's a wonderful story, can you link me to that game?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Who's bad?

one of Quin/Kyle/Sig/Blooper

which one?

For now Quin.

I don't think so.
why are you ruling out nutella?

Day 1 thing.

Well I'm not ruling out, but it's like extreme tinfoil scenario.

[Sloonei]

Reading through DDL's posts and this was a funny little moment:

Catching up.

Man.

Who were my town and bad reads again?

Ok just ISO'd myself. I have a better understanding of where my reads were.

Start of Day 3, after we'd had a long lull in play. So it's believable. But... funny. I wanted to bring it up.

Otherwise this ISO is not setting off any alarms thus far.

[Sloonei]

Who's bad?

one of Quin/Kyle/Sig/Blooper

which one?

For now Quin.

I don't think so.
why are you ruling out nutella?

Day 1 thing.

Well I'm not ruling out, but it's like extreme tinfoil scenario.

what are your immediate thoughts on all the other players you listed?

[Kylemii]

Long Con is the easiest suspect to name after Elohcin, but one of the standout interactions from Wilgy's ISO is this chain of posts:

long con is indie. my mafia dream confirmed it.

[Sloonei]

Long Con is the easiest suspect to name after Elohcin, but one of the standout interactions from Wilgy's ISO is this chain of posts:

long con is indie. my mafia dream confirmed it.

who are the remaining little mountains?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

quin - he is being very legit most of the time but could be a ploy to make us like him. And I buy Epi's theories.
kyle - I really don't like his voting pattern. I don't like his tone. But he is helping and I confess I havent looked closely to his interactions with scum (same for Quin)
sig - he has very little contribution so I havent formed or tried to form an opinion
ninju - why are you even asking this question? Divide 2 by the number of players you think may be scum and here is your chance of lynching scum ninja.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

maybe the mafia will even decide not to send a kill tonight either so we think that nijuuk and sig are the last wolves 0:

that would be the best move I sure hope they don't do that

Well that's not unsportsman like and I've done a similar thing myself once.

My role was a jester who turned into a serial killer if he didn't get lynched day 1. I got lynched day 1 and won the game but another player used a revive on me with made me "unwin" the game so now I had to be a serial killer. I proceeded to spend the whole game without killing anyone so people would think I was still a jester. It was fun because I acted as scummy as possible for a full game. And then I won it again.

Oh my god that's beautiful, that's a wonderful story, can you link me to that game?

Starts in this page.

https://www.narutoforums.org/threads/20 ... t-57091402

Warning: This is an Aries game. Expect extreme disregard for game balance, host self insertions into gameplay, and megalomaniac narration that can make THE GAME look humble. Try not to let your impressionable infant brain be influenced by it.

[Kylemii]

Long Con is the easiest suspect to name after Elohcin, but one of the standout interactions from Wilgy's ISO is this chain of posts:

long con is indie. my mafia dream confirmed it.

who are the remaining little mountains?

Eloh, and then DDL, Sig, or Nijuu

[Sloonei]

Alright yeah I've been trying to find an explanation for nutella's day 1 survival that doesn't involve her being Everest and the best I come up with is that she's actually Olympus Mons and Everest is one of the inactives. But this still means she's not scum, so I guess I'm back to ruling her out.

I have serious doubts that any of LC, speedchuck, and kyle could be bad. dunya is town on volume alone. The DDL ISO I just attempted yielded nothing alarming. Quin has felt abundantly town for most of the game and I do not love any of the arguments I've seen against him this game.

Elohcin almost has to be bad by process of elimination. And then I am back to primarily suspecting sig and niju. Of the two, I think there is actual evidence for niju being bad, and actual evidence for sig being good. I've been trying to kick up any argument that would incriminate somebody other than the two inactives after Elohcin, but I can come up with nothing that I believe in at this time.

[Sloonei]

Long Con is the easiest suspect to name after Elohcin, but one of the standout interactions from Wilgy's ISO is this chain of posts:

long con is indie. my mafia dream confirmed it.

who are the remaining little mountains?

Eloh, and then DDL, Sig, or Nijuu

Do you have an argument against DDL?

[Kylemii]

Long Con is the easiest suspect to name after Elohcin, but one of the standout interactions from Wilgy's ISO is this chain of posts:

long con is indie. my mafia dream confirmed it.

who are the remaining little mountains?

Eloh, and then DDL, Sig, or Nijuu

Do you have an argument against DDL?

Mostly gut feeling, but also cus lately it feels like he's putting more effort into casting suspicion on players who I think are town than anyone else.

[Kylemii]

We have to win this game soon so I can stop posting at 666. I wanna cash in on that good luck.

[Sloonei]

Long Con is the easiest suspect to name after Elohcin, but one of the standout interactions from Wilgy's ISO is this chain of posts:

long con is indie. my mafia dream confirmed it.

who are the remaining little mountains?

Eloh, and then DDL, Sig, or Nijuu

Do you have an argument against DDL?

Mostly gut feeling, but also cus lately it feels like he's putting more effort into casting suspicion on players who I think are town than anyone else.

which do you think is more likely: DDL is scum, or one of the inactives?

[Sloonei]

We have to win this game soon so I can stop posting at 666. I wanna cash in on that good luck.

pfft. amateur

[Sloonei]

Jay spent a great deal of time arguing that low posters had an increased chance of being scum in this game and thus should be considered as lynch candidates. He said plenty of things about sprit, sig, and dom/malakim individually. This is the extent of his individual mentions of Glorf/INH/Niju:

Spoiler: show

INSERTNAMEHERE/GLORFINDEL
SPACEDAISY
DOM

bad
good
bad

And this is everything Wilgy had to say about the player slot formerly known as Glorf:

Spoiler: show

Thanks for this Speedchuck.

Something that caught my eye was the "INH/BLP - uuuuuuh good." To your knowledge, did Cbob ever attempt or push an INH lynch?
"Mount Elbrus - Twice in the game, Elbrus may peek at another player’s alignment, though he will only learn the truth on one of these occasions."

It is possible that Elbrus checked INH but responded with "uuuuuuh" because he didn't know if he could trust his double edged sword result.

Linki - Interesting, I can toss that theory a bone. How was Cbob's interactions with Sloonei before and after the JJJ lynch?

It's true that it could be due to no posts, but this is contrast to his earlier "No reads on Dom, Wilgy, INH, sprit."

Did anything really warrant a change there? Out of us four why did only INH get the "uhhhhhh?" (I promise I'm not jealous or anything... It's not like I wanted Cbob's uhhhhh.)

Re Sloonei, I can ship it and it makes rational sense, but Sloonei is the person I have felt the worst about since JoH died. Guess I gotta take another step back.

So we have one scum player completely ignoring the empty slot except when mechanically obligated to give it a nod, and another straining hard to present a hypothetical defense of it unprompted.

If wilgy is attempting to defend a teammate here, his effort is a little sloppy, but I do not entirely rule it out. I don't think this was wilgy's most focused game of all time. He bailed on the thread last night when pressure was mounting on him. That tells me he was not entirely confident in his ability to defend himself.

[Kylemii]

Long Con is the easiest suspect to name after Elohcin, but one of the standout interactions from Wilgy's ISO is this chain of posts:

long con is indie. my mafia dream confirmed it.

who are the remaining little mountains?

Eloh, and then DDL, Sig, or Nijuu

Do you have an argument against DDL?

Mostly gut feeling, but also cus lately it feels like he's putting more effort into casting suspicion on players who I think are town than anyone else.

which do you think is more likely: DDL is scum, or one of the inactives?

hmmmmm

i guess to me it depends on whether or not DDL's early skirmish with Jay paired with the emotional response was real or manufactured, since most of the sig and nijuukyugou stuff (lack of stuff) is non indicative. there's some other factors regarding sig since he did make some posts and he has been posted about...

I was joking earlier about tricking the mafia into not sending a kill in but like... It really might affect my decision should I live that long.

[Kylemii]

that was your 777th post, and while that's cool as hell, the next cool number isn't for another 6192 posts

[Sloonei]

that was your 777th post, and while that's cool as hell, the next cool number isn't for another 6192 posts

if i live through the night i might just get there

[Kylemii]

that was your 777th post, and while that's cool as hell, the next cool number isn't for another 6192 posts

if i live through the night i might just get there

all you need is a keyboard and a dream

[Sloonei]

rainbows are dreamlike, right?

dunya
Kyle
nutella
speedchuck
Quin
Long Con
DDL
sig
niju
Elohcin

[Kylemii]

Sloonei, do you think it's a mistake for me to put my LC suspicion on the back burner under the assumption that he's Space Mountain cus he wouldn't play the way he has as mafia and also cus of my Twin Peaks' style prophetic dream?

[Sloonei]

Sloonei, do you think it's a mistake for me to put my LC suspicion on the back burner under the assumption that he's Space Mountain cus he wouldn't play the way he has as mafia and also cus of my Twin Peaks' style prophetic dream?

I think wilgy's ISO has evidence against Long Con being scum, so I don't object to removing him from the pool. I could see him as indie.

[Elohcin]

Have one more thing to say. Sloonei...I donthunk you're good. But I feelnlike you are really reaching with these last few posts/questions to me.

Is "donthunk" supposed to be "do think" or "don't think"?

Sorry... posted in a hurry. Do.

[Sloonei]

Have one more thing to say. Sloonei...I donthunk you're good. But I feelnlike you are really reaching with these last few posts/questions to me.

Is "donthunk" supposed to be "do think" or "don't think"?

Sorry... posted in a hurry. Do.

Thanks. What has changed in the last ~24 hours?

[Kylemii]

Sloonei, do you think it's a mistake for me to put my LC suspicion on the back burner under the assumption that he's Space Mountain cus he wouldn't play the way he has as mafia and also cus of my Twin Peaks' style prophetic dream?

I think wilgy's ISO has evidence against Long Con being scum, so I don't object to removing him from the pool. I could see him as indie.

but mostly cus of the dream right?

[Sloonei]

Sloonei, do you think it's a mistake for me to put my LC suspicion on the back burner under the assumption that he's Space Mountain cus he wouldn't play the way he has as mafia and also cus of my Twin Peaks' style prophetic dream?

I think wilgy's ISO has evidence against Long Con being scum, so I don't object to removing him from the pool. I could see him as indie.

but mostly cus of the dream right?

[Elohcin]

Have one more thing to say. Sloonei...I donthunk you're good. But I feelnlike you are really reaching with these last few posts/questions to me.

Is "donthunk" supposed to be "do think" or "don't think"?

Sorry... posted in a hurry. Do.

Thanks. What has changed in the last ~24 hours?

Nothing. I just said I though your "let's name the reasons why people arw civ" idea was silly. We're just saying, hey mafia...night kill this one! I thought your exercise would hinder, instead of help, civs. So...I called you out on it. I don't care who you are...if I feel I see something that isn't helping the civs find scum... I'm going to say something

I also thought you telling bloop not to qorry about reading the thread was a hindrance as well. How can ahw help hunt if ahw doesn't know what's going on.

Also, I never totally confirmed you as town, btw. I said that the thread has pretty much confirmed you town. You're the most trusted player, I think. Why would a mafia player attack a vocal player who isn't going to get lynched and had supported her in the game?

[Elohcin]

Sorry for the typos, I know I'm notorious for them. Fat fingers, small phone.

[Sloonei]

Have one more thing to say. Sloonei...I donthunk you're good. But I feelnlike you are really reaching with these last few posts/questions to me.

Is "donthunk" supposed to be "do think" or "don't think"?

Sorry... posted in a hurry. Do.

Thanks. What has changed in the last ~24 hours?

Nothing. I just said I though your "let's name the reasons why people arw civ" idea was silly. We're just saying, hey mafia...night kill this one! I thought your exercise would hinder, instead of help, civs. So...I called you out on it. I don't care who you are...if I feel I see something that isn't helping the civs find scum... I'm going to say something

I also thought you telling bloop not to qorry about reading the thread was a hindrance as well. How can ahw help hunt if ahw doesn't know what's going on.

Also, I never totally confirmed you as town, btw. I said that the thread has pretty much confirmed you town. You're the most trusted player, I think. Why would a mafia player attack a vocal player who isn't going to get lynched and had supported her in the game?

I don't understand your mindset regarding the town read exercise (or Operation Trust Fall, as it's better known). How am I drawing a target on anyone when the object of the mini-game is to name everybody as town? By that logic, any speculation whatsoever is painting a target on the backs of any town reads.
How is niju supposed to help if she bothers herself to sit down to read 5000+ posts in the short window she has available to her? She's a school teacher. Let's not torture her. I think players in general are perfectly capable of making reads and having an impact if they just thrust themselves into the thread blind. I think that strategy would be better for a player in her shoes right now. You seemed to make the same encouragement ("I don't expect her to read ALL the pages..."), so I again am left wondering what exactly the nature of your objection is.

Lastly, you seem to be playing it off in this post as if you did not express suspicion of me for these things yesterday, but...:

I'll extend that question to everyone, about everyone. I think this could be a useful exercise: in a brief answer, what reason do you have to read each player remaining in this game as town?

I think if I were to propose an idea like this I would be jumped on and lynched. However, with the way things are going, maybe ruling out those we trust will help us lynch scum. I just don't know. Gut tells me this approach is coming FROM scum to distract us from looking at clues in posts from those who have died recently.

This is a completely different objection than the one you just raised a moment ago.

Man I woke up this morning thinking "hmm..... actually.... Sloonei is totally bad and has been playing us and I'm totally gonna vote for him" but apparently you guys think there's decent hints that cbob cop-checked him. Meh. Idk if I'm totally sold on that, but I'm also kinda tinfoiling hard rn and occam's razor is that Sloonei is town as town can be. Kyle is probably my next likely vote, but I haven't really figured out why I'm leaning that way either. Mostly I just feel way more lost as to who could be bad after the cbob flip than I have been for most of the game and I'm reconsidering some possibilities.

Sloonei, I don't really feel like doing your exercise and I honestly don't see how it's helpful. I don't think it's a helpful way of thinking about players or trying to solve the game. I'll just convince myself that everyone has some reason to be good and I'll never find scum that way. I'm not sure what you're getting out of this exercise but IMO people's answers so far have been total fluff and devoid of constructive gameplay. Maybe I'm wrong and maybe you're figuring out which players show a pattern of weakest/least reason to look civ, but I personally don't view this little game you set up as a particularly town way of solving the game. If anything it feels eerily similar to Jay urging everyone to do the GTHs, and he was bad.

What's your reasoning for looking at why people look town and figuring out which of those are weakest, instead of the other way around, looking at reasons everyone could look bad and seeing which are strongest?

I agree with nutella that slooneis adventure to find civs is silly.

Not necessarily a declaration of suspicion, but given your previously established suspicion, and nutella's framing of her skepticism as basis for suspicious in the comment which you express agreement with here, I feel comfortable inferring here. Then, after all these dialogues that day:

Wow, I was gone a few hours and there hasn't been much talk. I said this already. I think we need to go back to where we were before all the CFD (I think that's what you would call what has happened in just about all, if not all our lynches). Its like we have our mind made up and and then it gets changed at the end. I'm up for voting sig, kyle, or quin. I think those were the ones who had cases against them which were forgotten in the CFDs. But most of all, I'm up for sloonei. I think he took us down a rabbit trail today and wasted our time as I thought would happen. I cannot stay up late. I will be voting within the next hour.

Even though I would rather vote sloon, I went with quin because he already has a vote. I hate to do that, but as y'all can see... I have two votes. I cannot stay up any longer to help save myself, so I'll do what I can. I'm telling y'all... I think we are doing these bad lynches to ourselves. We have all these suspects and all of a sudden today you are going to decide to leave that behind and vote for me. This is not helping.

So you can't honestly tell me that "nothing" has changed, and your claims that your objections to my play were only philosophical, because it's impossible to read these posts as anything other than suspicion, and now that's completely vanished with you telling me it was never there in the first place. But I'm staring right at it.

[speedchuck]

I'm not catching up tonight. Too busy. Just so you all know.

If I die, do not waver. You are on a good track.

[nijuukyugou]

I am also not catching up tonight, but here's a majestic marmot in the meantime:



To be fair, I'll never catch up, but I'll do something.

[Kylemii]

is THAT what a marmot is?????

[nijuukyugou]

They're out everywhere in the summer where I live! So fat. So majestic. So derpy.

[nijuukyugou]

Hmm.

[Sloonei]

I spent a couple of weeks in Colorado during the summer a few years ago and I only saw one marmot, scurrying off the road as I drove by, the entire time I was there. Everyone hyped them up so much.

[Sloonei]

how's it going, blooper? do you have any idea what is going on in this game right now?

[nijuukyugou]

Oh, it's going. Only jumping into a game with 134 pages of posts, NBD Yourself?

[nijuukyugou]

Make that 135.

[nijuukyugou]

I spent a couple of weeks in Colorado during the summer a few years ago and I only saw one marmot, scurrying off the road as I drove by, the entire time I was there. Everyone hyped them up so much.

In August/September this year (I can't remember which), I was sitting in my car at work looking for something on my phone, when I noticed something pop up in front of me in my peripheral vision. I looked up, and nothing was there. Looked down, and it came back. Looked up, and there was a big fat marmot sniffing the air, then retreating, like a whack-a-mole. Best afternoon ever.

[Sloonei]

Oh, it's going. Only jumping into a game with 134 pages of posts, NBD Yourself?

I think I'm responsible for 100 of those pages
I already said that and got called out by Eloh for it, but you should not worry about trying to read all of that. If you want to make an impact on the game, I think your best bet is to just try to grasp what's going on right now and start kicking from there. just my two cents. thank you very much for stepping in at this stage of the game.

[Kylemii]

Hey, [mention]nijuukyugou[/mention], are you mafia? I like your avatar.

[Sloonei]

I spent a couple of weeks in Colorado during the summer a few years ago and I only saw one marmot, scurrying off the road as I drove by, the entire time I was there. Everyone hyped them up so much.

In August/September this year (I can't remember which), I was sitting in my car at work looking for something on my phone, when I noticed something pop up in front of me in my peripheral vision. I looked up, and nothing was there. Looked down, and it came back. Looked up, and there was a big fat marmot sniffing the air, then retreating, like a whack-a-mole. Best afternoon ever.

I did have the pleasure of watching a bunch of pikas chasing each other around at the end of my longest, highest hike of the trip. that was a great day.

[Kylemii]

The Great Wave is like definitely in the top ten of best paintings, and also bloopers are probably in my personally curated top ten list of best video game squids.