The Syndicate

I think it's Lunalee and I know that's a red hot take and especially poor taste given I just caused her mislynch in the other game but I can't help it it's how I feel.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:53 am I think it's Lunalee and I know that's a red hot take and especially poor taste given I just caused her mislynch in the other game but I can't help it it's how I feel.

Why?

Also if she was the last scum, would she have joked and followed TH and me for a No Lynch? Don't think so.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:30 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:53 am I think it's Lunalee and I know that's a red hot take and especially poor taste given I just caused her mislynch in the other game but I can't help it it's how I feel.

Why?

Also if she was the last scum, would she have joked and followed TH and me for a No Lynch? Don't think so.

Why not? It's not like it actually caused a no lynch.

It was 3/3. It very well could have...

Nurrrrr

I don’t think I’m ever voting Luna or Spacey here, unless they have a specific history of random bussing.

I think it’s dunya.

I’ll have some free time tonight. Want to reread the thread, it’s not that long.

The no lynch was never going to happen. What was that about anyway? I didn’t get it. I thought you were joking? If Turnip was serious about that I’m just not understanding at all.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:40 am I don’t think I’m ever voting Luna or Spacey here, unless they have a specific history of random bussing.

what is "random bussing" and how does it differ from the regular bussing?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:40 am I think it’s dunya.

i wont ask about daisy or luna, but why aren't mac or speedchuck in your poe?

you're fishy.

i doubt i'll die tonight, since i'm a suspect and all, but seriously guys don't go all ham on MacDougall. MacDougall is a killer scum player and hates people who win by not trying. he's not a lurker. if he was the last scum, he would have been pushing the narrative in this thread more. don't just assume it's him because he hasn't said anything; that push from speed makes me want to tinfoil on him again because we're one mislynch away from LyLo.

my poe is still Mac, dizzy and speed. Can't really analyze much of Mac but I will go through Dizzy and speed's isos before end of night in the off chance one of them does kill me.

my gut right this second is screaming speedchuck.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:40 am I don’t think I’m ever voting Luna or Spacey here, unless they have a specific history of random bussing.

I think it’s dunya.

Luna hardly has to have bussed, all she has to have done is cast a distance vote and returned to her house on fire. It's easy to rationalise.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:24 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:14 pm Tomorrow I will list the many sins of Dunya.

And then we can lynch Mac first anyway.

Can you at least humor me and check through Dizzy too?

Prolly

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:16 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:40 am I don’t think I’m ever voting Luna or Spacey here, unless they have a specific history of random bussing.

what is "random bussing" and how does it differ from the regular bussing?

Random cause there was no need to bus Quin when there were other close wagons and it's not like he had done anything particularly scummy afaic. The vote was more of a lucky crap shoot for me at least. If you're going to nitpick the words I use I'm going to get very annoyed at a point, but annoyment is a necessary ingredient in a mafia game, so do whatever you feel. Point here being that if Luna or Spacey have a history of bussing like that then I would very much like to know. I don't know those two players all that well.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:40 am I think it’s dunya.

i wont ask about daisy or luna, but why aren't mac or speedchuck in your poe?

you're fishy.

Are you even reading my posts? That is my PoE. Speed less so. But there's only one scum and I think it's you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:33 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:40 am I don’t think I’m ever voting Luna or Spacey here, unless they have a specific history of random bussing.

I think it’s dunya.

Luna hardly has to have bussed, all she has to have done is cast a distance vote and returned to her house on fire. It's easy to rationalise.

Maybe you're using the lingo different here, but to me bussing is voting and lynching a teammate. And Luna was around not many hours before day end, the wagons were close and she could've voted someone else if she wanted to, it's not like she was going hard on Quin or anything, it was mostly that he was inactive iirc. If scum votes to bus someone in this particular game they lose half their team, plus Quin was PR as well. I don't really see that happening. Plus, I was leaning town on Luna from beforehand. Her voting to lynch Quin who flips scum PR doesn't make me more suspicious of her.

So how do you see it?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:43 am The no lynch was never going to happen. What was that about anyway? I didn’t get it. I thought you were joking? If Turnip was serious about that I’m just not understanding at all.

I wanted to be there just on the off chance that it became a thing. Because it would be hilarious if dunya's proposition worked.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:50 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:43 am The no lynch was never going to happen. What was that about anyway? I didn’t get it. I thought you were joking? If Turnip was serious about that I’m just not understanding at all.

I wanted to be there just on the off chance that it became a thing. Because it would be hilarious if dunya's proposition worked.

I mean, it would. But it would also be just a bad decision to not lynch anyone. o.o

Are you a busser, Luna? Do you drive?

Social duty calls. I swear I'll have the time to read this game properly before night ends. Although it's probably better if I don't : p

Mac, how much of the thread have you read?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:49 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:33 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:40 am I don’t think I’m ever voting Luna or Spacey here, unless they have a specific history of random bussing.

I think it’s dunya.

Luna hardly has to have bussed, all she has to have done is cast a distance vote and returned to her house on fire. It's easy to rationalise.

Maybe you're using the lingo different here, but to me bussing is voting and lynching a teammate. And Luna was around not many hours before day end, the wagons were close and she could've voted someone else if she wanted to, it's not like she was going hard on Quin or anything, it was mostly that he was inactive iirc. If scum votes to bus someone in this particular game they lose half their team, plus Quin was PR as well. I don't really see that happening. Plus, I was leaning town on Luna from beforehand. Her voting to lynch Quin who flips scum PR doesn't make me more suspicious of her.

So how do you see it?

Just in case you wanted more clarification on what went down:
If I remember correctly, the vote was at 2 on dunya, 2 on you, and you were the single voter on Quin. I voted Quin because I didn't like his contributions so far as much as yours and Dunya's, and effectively created a 3-way tie until Spacedaisy came and joined me on Quin.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:52 am Are you a busser, Luna? Do you drive?

LOL, I'm a busser if I feel forced into it. But if it's early in the game I tend to prioritize saving my teammates for as long as I can before turning to bus them.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:56 amJust in case you wanted more clarification on what went down:
If I remember correctly, the vote was at 2 on dunya, 2 on you, and you were the single voter on Quin. I voted Quin because I didn't like his contributions so far as much as yours and Dunya's, and effectively created a 3-way tie until Spacedaisy came and joined me on Quin.

Yeah, and I don't think either you or Spacey would do that in this game if you were teamed with Quin. That would be something. Unless you have some particular blood thrist for and history of some cold bussing lol. I'm counting on someone giving that information if that's the case.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:53 am I think it's Lunalee and I know that's a red hot take and especially poor taste given I just caused her mislynch in the other game but I can't help it it's how I feel.

Well I think it's you, so we're even.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:57 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:52 am Are you a busser, Luna? Do you drive?

LOL, I'm a busser if I feel forced into it. But if it's early in the game I tend to prioritize saving my teammates for as long as I can before turning to bus them.

Same here. I think mafia is a team game, so unnecessary bussing doesn't fly with me. (No shade to players who do that, cause it's all within the rules and whatnot)

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:30 pm Heavy very ignorant mechanics post.

Spoiler: show

2 scum, 7 townies.

Ignoring what I think is a doctor, we have 2 mislynches available before LYLO. In order to give us an extra day, the doctor would have to protect successfully twice. That is unlikely. Therefore, if the doctor DOES protect someone, it might be helpful for them to claim and name their target at endgame, or if things are going badly.

If the cop gets a guilty check, go ahead and claim obviously. Getting half the mafia is great.

These claims might be more contested if we don't get roleflips from nightkills.

I like the setup, it's pretty standard.

Response from Dunya:

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:33 pm oh poop, im seeing town speed there. so now i have sabie and speed locked town. feeling daisy is town too. 4/9 town on day 0 isn't a bad deal.

Later post:

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:46 pm The cop is very important. Your first "contributive" post was almost lecturing people how to use their PRs. It didn't sit well with me. I think everyone can decide for themselves how and when to reveal. Game mechanic talk is filler. And that was pretty much your most significant contribution besides 1 post shading daisy and despite being around a lot more than most of the other players here.

It "didn't" sit well with her. Past tense, referring to the post. This is an outright lie.

According to this post:

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:34 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:30 pm Same mechanics post

Rereading this.

Trying not to tinfoil.

Game mechanic talk and strategy is the easiest way to seem town without flinging poop. It was day 0, but still. Textbook stuff even tho I sorta agree on concept

Dunya was moving her opinion arduously and slowly over time, but the "didn't sit well with me" post still pinged me. Like, that's literally your reason for initially townreading me. Why is it bad now? And, as a matter of fact, the setup doesn't even have a cop/doc (which we know now). Which means this post:

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:22 pm You're oozing TMI. You were the first instigator that a cop and doctor exist.

Is completely bunk.

Moving on.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:20 pm i'm not being arrogant btw, i just mean when i'm town and under suspicion, i'll fight for my life and never give up till i convince the rest of town. especially when i'm vanilla which is my fav role to play #ballstothewall style cos i got less to lose by being crazy.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:45 pm If we all made our minds up at first read, what's the point of mafia? Anyway I think I've had enough of this tonight. Good night.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:41 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:37 pm Are you accusing speed of a town-slip? What if he has one of these roles he "knows so much about"? Though if that is so, his first game mechanic posts wouldn't make much sense.

No. I was accusing him of knowing there was a godfather. A godfather indicates a cop. He didn't even see the survailence part of that role and called it a doctor and called the second one a possible cop. Yeah I don't think speed would make this big a mistake as scum.

Also I don't really wanna discuss game mechanics anymore.

First of all, after saying she doesn't give up as scum, she has a very defeated tone to these posts. (Yes, I feel like a butt pointing this out again. It's the game, I'm playing the game. Calls it as I sees it.)
On top of that, she pulls off of me for my complete ignorance regarding the setup, assuming I'd understand the setup better if scum. Just another flip flop reason on me that is never addressed later when she starts scumreading me again.

Continuing.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:14 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:28 am Town reading Quin and dunya.

dunya, why are you town reading TH?

I agree with dunya’s assessment of no lynch right now. I’m concerned about Luna’s joining in to toss a vote on TH for his suggestion though.

TH has 17 posts, second highest poster itt. he's coming after me, the highest poster itt and someone who is pretty vocal and probably not the easiest to lynch (again, not arrogance, but it would have been world's easier to suggest an inactive lynch and go after nova for example and considering the recent trend of disdain for inactives in general, i wouldn't be surprised if he garnered majority support there). he suggested a No Lynch. he suggested the cop claims on Day 0 and be protected by the doctor. he questioned a lot of my opinions, and provided a genuine-like reason to his suspicions of me.

i just can't see a scum TH right now. if anything, he reminds me of Ancient Greece TH atm.

What happened to this on day 2? I just now stumbled across this post. I'm as guilty as anyone of not really going over TH a lot before the lynch, but I never had a townread there.

Moving on.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:35 pm ....and he votes for the complete inactive who could very well be one of our town PRs.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:48 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:35 pm ....and he votes for the complete inactive who could very well be one of our town PRs.

Actually, you know what. This post looks friggin awful.

"He votes for the complete inactive" is fine. It's something I baited you into saying. It's a good accusation because it means I'm not putting in the work. I don't care about the roof. I'm taking advantage of someone being away from the Syndicate to absolve my responsibility and get a vote on the table, so I can look like I care.
You could say all that about me, and you could have all the smilies.

But this: "who could very well be one of our town PRs."
WHAT THE HECK IS THAT.
What purpose does it serve?
I could be one of our town PRs. Dizzy could be one of our town PRs. ANYONE could. So why include that in the accusation? There's nothing behind it except some word association, a little trick to get people to conflate my vote with a vote for lynching a power role. It adds nothing substantial to the suspicion, since literally every vote on the board could be on a power role.

It's simply your way of saying "Wow speedchuck is soooooo terrible."

And it looks awful.

I voted Nova to see what Dunya would do, since she was already voting me. Didn't like the reaction. There's a lot more discussion surrounding this, highly recommended reading.

Also

I don't want to link half a dozen posts, so I'll just say this and let anyone who wants to verify it go and do that.
Her read progression on me is flip-flippy mondo bad.
Her read progression on TH, to my knowledge, DNE.
Her read progression on Quin D1 is especially bad.

AND

Post I made earlier:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:55 pm Dunya is still in the pool. The only interaction I remember right now between her and Quin was a sort of distancing. Quin: "Yeah, Dunya and Luna did a bad in poopooing the no lynch, but Luna is muuuuch worse. But I'm still side-eying Dunya. We're totally not partners guys, I suspect her."

Quin did a distancing dance with Dunya over something that didn't matter much, mid-day 1. It was Quin's most memorable contribution that day, in my opinion.

Dunya's final post on D1 (I think):

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:29 pm I'd be ok with Dizzy, Luna or Quin being lynched today ftr. In that order, I suppose.

Lots of posts in here like this.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:16 pm I will only be angry if it's Mac at this point. Give Hogwarts a break and help us solve this game Mac.

This post pinged me. What even. Mac had been subbed in for an incredibly short amount of time, and in that time, not many posts were made by anyone. Felt like fake town fire.

END

That's all the sins I can put together. Some could say she looked bad for leading the push on TH, but we didn't do anything at the time. Some could read bad into the way she avoided my questions about power roles. I'm not gonna bother with that barrel of wine.

If you add anything to this list, please, read the progression of her thoughts on myself, Quin, and Turnip Head. It's just off. Maybe I'll make some posts about that later.

=======================================

There are reasons to townread Dunya as well. She's put herself out there (obviously), and has provided content at least as much as she's asked for it. Dizzy, I think, was the one who noted that scum Dunya asks a lot of questions to up that post count.

Anyway.

I'll try to do Dizzy if I get the time, since Dunya asked.

It's between dunya and Mac for me. I would be happier if it's dunya, but I'm going to try and let that go. : p Actually, one of the reasons I didn't vote dunya in the end is that I would feel worse if dunya was town compared to if quin was town. Got the scum PR, so I guess that worked out lol

Oh wow. Such post.

Yeah, I think it's dunya. You didn't mention her read on me at all, which has basically just been that I'm suspicious and at least I can't grasp why. Scum likes to gun for me. Marmot and LC in phenon, DH in the last game. I also don't get how she had me, Luna and Quin in her lynch pool, when at that point (I'm pretty sure) both I and Luna were voting for Quin. So if she's looking for two scum, then either both scum are happily voting together or one of them is voting the other scum. That's a minor point, I guess, but it doesn't jive with me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:38 pm Thread needs more Space and Quin btw

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:27 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:11 pm iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii voteddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd lunalee

Whyyyyyyyyy

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:33 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:31 pm I'm just reviewing the thread but if you guys want to ask me questions that would be way more fun.

linki: Dunya was scum in Greece. That is an interesting observation. I'd love to follow up on it, but first, what do you make of it?

Yeah, I know she was scum there. It didn't make me think dunya was scum any more, which I kind of wanted it to : p I'd like to read more games though if I have the time.

Town

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:45 pm [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Town

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:38 pm I don't know who I want to vote for. Either I'll just leave my vote on Quin because he hasn't done much, which is not a great reason. Meow. Normally I'd be tempted to sheep a town read, but I don't even know if I have a town read. Maybe Speed, but I think most of all he just tends to make sense to me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:31 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:11 pm wow so i woke up late

jfc

I never fell asleep >_>

Also, hi! You about to die : p

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:40 pm Quin, if you’re town, I’d like to know

Linki <dayend> omg!!!!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:02 pm K, if both Spacey and Luna think it's TH it might just be him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:40 am

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:16 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:40 am I don’t think I’m ever voting Luna or Spacey here, unless they have a specific history of random bussing.

what is "random bussing" and how does it differ from the regular bussing?

Random cause there was no need to bus Quin when there were other close wagons and it's not like he had done anything particularly scummy afaic. The vote was more of a lucky crap shoot for me at least. If you're going to nitpick the words I use I'm going to get very annoyed at a point, but annoyment is a necessary ingredient in a mafia game, so do whatever you feel. Point here being that if Luna or Spacey have a history of bussing like that then I would very much like to know. I don't know those two players all that well.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:40 am I think it’s dunya.

i wont ask about daisy or luna, but why aren't mac or speedchuck in your poe?

you're fishy.

Are you even reading my posts? That is my PoE. Speed less so. But there's only one scum and I think it's you.

Town



The smilies above are the closest thing I can find to scum indicative posts. Maybe [mention]dunya[/mention] should do the SINS OF DIZZY post, since she has a scumread there. I'm sitting on the dizzytown button right now

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:57 pm This is the most meta mafia game I've ever played. And I'm excited for it.

What does this even mean?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:05 pm Am I the only one who gets all excited when I roll scum?

Got 'em.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:25 pm Voting Quin. I don't have the best feeling about him right now. Everyone else looks like varying levels of civ, and then there's Quin, who frankly hasn't done much to push him either way.

Luna was second to vote for Quin. That's not really a "walk back to find your house on fire" situation.

My question about Dizzy is where ge votes were when the Quin vote was placed and did Dizzy return to the thread after Luna’s vote ?

i don't know if i have the energy to even defend myself. so i'm not going to waste time doing that, and when i have time will address certain points i feel were misrepresented or mean instead and talk more about mac/dizzy/speed. if ya'll don't see town dunya, then maybe i'm gonna lead by TH's example and say this will be good for my new meta of not posting 800 times a day.

but pay attention: i wasn't here during sabie's flip. i didn't get back to the game till the next day. you're all assuming as the last mafia i would have -chosen- to nk sabie who was everyone's second suspect, why?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:54 pm I just ISOed Quin (it was almost as time consuming as an ISO on me would be :P) and I have to say I do not like this lynch.

I like the way Quin looks. I don't think he is scum. If he is bad then either TH or dunya is his teamie. But otherwise I cant see any reason for him to take such upset with people coming out against no lynch. If he was bad and none of his teammates are involved in the situation, what benefit is there to his reaction?

Spoiler: show

I haven't felt like dunya was bad. But she has fooled me before. But it wasn't over this kind of thing and I just think her behavior reads more civ than bad atm.

Luna, of those involved in the no lynch conversation she was the one that stood out to me. She didn't lead anything, but she put her support behind what dunya said about no lynches. Then she clarified that this is not where she expected her vote to stay, so a pressure vote? I do find it weird though that she seemed to have an honest reasons she suspected TH but then switched to Quin for just not being engaged enough? If Luna is bad she is probably protecting someone with votes, either dunya or Dizzy.

The brings us to Dizzy. Dizzy's reaction to dunya saying something about a godfather in response to speedchuck is interesting to me. It seems like I felt, I didn't see any of that stuff mentioned in the roles. But i kept quiet and just pretended i knew what was going on, because i felt stupid, lol. That said, I find it interesting that Dizzy questioned it in connection with dunya's answer, but doesnt seem fazed by the fact that speedchuck talked about a cop role. I would like to know @Dyslexicon how you feel about speedchuck. In fact you also quote Turnip Head discussing how a cop and doctor should handle their roles. Given the fact that Dizzy only reacts to dunya and not so much to TH and speedchuck and the fact there are only two baddies on the team. I'm inclined to think this isn't a teammate tell though.

A question for all: How many of us read the set up before the game started? How many of us have read the setup by now?

This is frustrating, I don't feel like the top three vote earners are bad. I'm actually feeling Turnip Head and speedchuck at the moment. I feel like speed's question was crafted to try and trap dunya who apparently seemed to turniphead to have soft claimed cop? I didn't see this, but I'm not good at catching hints and soft claims. I wish one of them had votes still...

Is anyone around that might be interested in lynching TH or speedchuck?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:06 pm Ok, I think I am back to seeing you as town Speed. I like the way your reads develop, they don't just stay consistent. If you are bad you could've just held onto the dunya case like a dog with a bone and I don't think anyone would have seen you as bad.

@speedchuck Can you tell me what about TH you see is town?

Going to read sabie first and then dunya now.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:21 pm I like sabie's look. Sabie would be my last choice for a lynch. Which is frustrating. It means either Nova is bad or someone who is bad looks good to me.

Possibly Luna or Quin maybe?

I'll read dunya now.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:41 pm No I really don't see a baddie dunya here.

I'm going to roll the dice and [VOTE: Quin] aubergine here, for the fact I could see a Quin/TH pairing. And I really think TH is a baddie here. Also Quin is the one that I feel has the weakest town lean from me right now.

Spacedaisy is the third vote on Quin. This is her progression on him. She doesn't like the lynch, she starts eliminating other suspects, feels like everyone else up for lynch looks town, and hops on Quin.

If any of the votes is a bus, this is it.

Meh. I doubt it. She could have slam dunked Dunya, and she dropped it like it's hot on Quin instead.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:23 pm i don't know if i have the energy to even defend myself. so i'm not going to waste time doing that, and when i have time will address certain points i feel were misrepresented or mean instead and talk more about mac/dizzy/speed. if ya'll don't see town dunya, then maybe i'm gonna lead by TH's example and say this will be good for my new meta of not posting 800 times a day.

but pay attention: i wasn't here during sabie's flip. i didn't get back to the game till the next day. you're all assuming as the last mafia i would have -chosen- to nk sabie who was everyone's second suspect, why?

Big if true.

Large if factual.

HUGE IF REALITY

Worth a check.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:04 pm It "didn't" sit well with her. Past tense, referring to the post. This is an outright lie.

sorry if i make you feel like an ass, not my intention, but i do make english mistakes. i meant at rereading it didn't sit well with me "anymore". at first glance and read on day 0 it did. on reassessment on day 1, it didn't. thx for your attention and time. not the first time someone tries to scum read me for english mistakes and wont be the last.

it's impossible for SD to be scum out of the three. she's the one who sealed the deal. no way. like, i would sooner lynch myself than daisy at this point (not really, but i like exaggerating).

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:29 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:04 pm It "didn't" sit well with her. Past tense, referring to the post. This is an outright lie.

sorry if i make you feel like an ass, not my intention, but i do make english mistakes. i meant at rereading it didn't sit well with me "anymore". at first glance and read on day 0 it did. on reassessment on day 1, it didn't. thx for your attention and time. not the first time someone tries to scum read me for english mistakes and wont be the last.

I keep forgetting.

i am always pleased when you forget

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:25 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:23 pm i don't know if i have the energy to even defend myself. so i'm not going to waste time doing that, and when i have time will address certain points i feel were misrepresented or mean instead and talk more about mac/dizzy/speed. if ya'll don't see town dunya, then maybe i'm gonna lead by TH's example and say this will be good for my new meta of not posting 800 times a day.

but pay attention: i wasn't here during sabie's flip. i didn't get back to the game till the next day. you're all assuming as the last mafia i would have -chosen- to nk sabie who was everyone's second suspect, why?

Big if true.

Large if factual.

HUGE IF REALITY

Worth a check.

it's extra big/large/huge. get ready to be shook.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:23 pm but pay attention: i wasn't here during sabie's flip. i didn't get back to the game till the next day. you're all assuming as the last mafia i would have -chosen- to nk sabie who was everyone's second suspect, why?

Okay. So let's assume Dunya was not lurking at the end of the night, during the period that she did not post. Fair assumption. Dunya posts when she is here. It's what she does.
That's when Sabie claimed.

If that is the case, then Dunya would only have the below posts to go off of regarding Sabie's cop status.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:23 pm You're right I am pretty excited about the fact that I got a good role on my first game coming back! I'm also excited to be alive because I left due to having brain surgery which was quite the experience let me tell you.

(Good meaning town, in this case I think. Included for posterity.)

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:09 am Leaning TH at the moment but well see. They did say the cop should role claim which could be so they knew who to get rid of. How does one soft claim? Speaking of that would quin have been able to target anyone with his powers prior to being killed or does his death null out his power even if they did? If the other baddie is vanilla does that mean they dont have any powers and we would be safe or is that unknown?

If scum did not know sabie was the cop, they WOULD NOT have killed her. I mean, come on. We have three semi-townfirms still breathing right now.

So if Dunya is being truthful about not being here (I can't see her making that up), then a scumread of Dunya would be contingent on her figuring out that Sabie is scum from these posts. And then Dunya would have seen the cop claim and said, just now, "I can use this to clear my name!"

That's a pretty big leap yo.

[mention]dunya[/mention]
Cool beans. Rather than defend yourself any further in this game, could you do a "sins of Dizzy" post? You're the only one with the strong dizzy scum read, and she is technically (by vote timing) the most likely bus vote. I don't think she looks bad. Up to you.

ftr, if i was the last mafia, i most likely wouldn't have killed sabie in case she was protected after outright claiming with another PR in the game. to scum dunya, ensuring a kill is more important than a 50/50 chance of killing the cop who wouldn't even be checking me that night. this small game is a numbers game after all.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:43 pm ftr, if i was the last mafia, i most likely wouldn't have killed sabie in case she was protected after outright claiming with another PR in the game. to scum dunya, ensuring a kill is more important than a 50/50 chance of killing the cop who wouldn't even be checking me that night. this small game is a numbers game after all.

Your other argument was better. You've already said, and you were right to say, that this power roles doesn't look like a doctor at all. And being scum, you would know what kind of roles this game has.

(Meaning you would have an example of a role name matched with mechanics, not that you know what town has)

I'm working on Dizzy now. Luna was the second vote, but she was also here EOD I believe. I have to review the EOD phase a little better. Dizzy's vote on Quin wasn't very inspiring and they said they would leave it on Quin --- but when they said that, had Luna already voted Quin or was Dizzy still the lone voter?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:45 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:43 pm ftr, if i was the last mafia, i most likely wouldn't have killed sabie in case she was protected after outright claiming with another PR in the game. to scum dunya, ensuring a kill is more important than a 50/50 chance of killing the cop who wouldn't even be checking me that night. this small game is a numbers game after all.

Your other argument was better. You've already said, and you were right to say, that this power roles doesn't look like a doctor at all. And being scum, you would know what kind of roles this game has.

After Quin's flip and seeing the powers he had, doesn't really add up to the PR name, so the second PR now could be literally anything imo.

Luna, TH, Spacedaisy, and Mac were around to hear Sabie's claim. According to posts.

I'm gonna take a break for now.

speedchuck
Lunalee
Dyslexicon
Spacedaisy
dunya
MacDougall

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:26 pm Town:
dunya
Quin
Speed
Daisy

Mafia?:
Turnip
Sabie

Others are whatever.

first mention of Quin, Dizzy's infamous "random" poe list. they mention "others" are whatever, who would be nova and Luna. Quin listed as town here. Turnip and sabie, who both flipped town were listed as scum.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:34 pm Reads be like

Townish:
sabie
Speed
Luna

Scummish:
dunya

Neutral:
Everyone else

I read sabie town cause I just do.
I'm very much following Speed's perspective. I do thing we have similar ways of thinking in games, but really my reason for thinking he's town is the "wait a minute" kind of turn at dunya.
Knd of want to yolo read Luna town for what I think are really unrealistic setup speculations. Am I dumb?
I don't really have a read on Turnip, but I don't find anything wrong in their posts.

dunya is really the only one that stands out to me that makes me go nope. Don't like the way she left me (even if the push itself was random), cause at that time I had said I scum read two players who were her town reads. The push on Speed doesn't seem to come from anywhere. Also also the calling out Speed for voting what could be PTs is lol, cause that's like exactly what she did. Thoughts?

I think dunya town read both Space and Quin (?) Would she do that if they were teamed?

Dizzy's second mention of Quin was not a read; this time they listed Quin with Turnip, Spacedaisy and Mac as "neutral" reads. they townread speed because speed was pushing a case against me. obv wanting to get rid of me. apparently their town reads on Luna and sabie were both without reason. so they only give one reason on why a person is town and the others are "just cos and yolo" which is uninspiring and seems like tmi and random. after having voted for Turnip as a first post, they say they don't really have a read on turnip but "can't find anything wrong in their posts" which is a town-leaning comment imo.

last part is most interesting. i definitely town read spacedaisy, but the quin "townread" was a bit random and out of nowhere. Quin was in my poe with nova and Dizzy for most of day 1. nice random insert of "if dunya is scum she couldn't be partners with quin" which i have no idea where they got it from in the first place. so dizzy does not town read their team mate -- good info to have considering they voted for Quin.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:38 pm Thread needs more Space and Quin btw

again, "space and quin". nice pairing, i guess. i ship it.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:45 pm [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

the quin vote. - paused here. will continue after real life stuff.