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Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:24 pm**

Neat Sloonei counterwagon you got there

Would be a shame if something happened to it.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:29 pm**

I have a separate mental compartment for Scotty + Sig tinfoil at the moment, but I'd like to see if Sloonei gets some more original thought going.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:30 pm**

There are so many people not voting

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:31 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:20 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:46 pm All of the people voting for Sloonei are in my townleans. That’s probably a good sign
Maybe you explained but I only skimmed the thread before going to sleep, why do you TR Vivax?

Sure- I Townlean him

Vivax is almost a Townread because I think he’s held his own making reads on people he doesn’t know and is making some (I think) baldly wrong reads but messy is good. I’ve never played with him, so I’m cautiously guarded, but like his input so far.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:32 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:21 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:13 pm CURRENT VOTE TOTAL as of ~4 hours until end of day 1:

Spoiler: show
Sloonei (4): fingersplints, sig, Vivax, thellama73
Elohcin (2): Michelle, Quin
Scotty (2): Kate, NotAnAxeHole
LoRab (1): Scotty
Golden (1): DrWilgy
Quin (1): Golden
Vivax (1): Sloonei

Not voting: bea, DFaraday, DharmaHelper, Elohcin, GMan, LoRab

I town read this activity. Town needs these VCs later in the game

I’d caution giving me brownie points for this- I’ve done this as both alignments

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:38 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:30 pm There are so many people not voting

I only vote early if I'm not going to be around close to the vote. It's the way it used to be when there were no changing votes. The introduction of movable votes brought nothing but chaos to end of day. I don't like chaos. I don't like movable votes.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:38 pm**

EBWOP: if I'm not going to be around close to end of day.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:39 pm**

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:43 pm**

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:39 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

I think it would be really helpful if there were points given as to why you are voting someone when you do so.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:44 pm**

I’m not caught up at all, but I’ll make sure I am tonight befor the vote. Having said that baring something series against sloonie that’s not my final vote it was literally a lulz vote

So I’m moving it to onto me until I get caught up

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:45 pm**

Also we’ve now got a three way tie which is neat

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:45 pm**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:43 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:39 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine
I think it would be really helpful if there were points given as to why you are voting someone when you do so.

Don't like the game state, would like Wilgy to do stuff as he's sort of just there for a majority of players.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:45 pm**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:38 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:30 pm There are so many people not voting
I only vote early if I'm not going to be around close to the vote. It's the way it used to be when there were no changing votes. The introduction of movable votes brought nothing but chaos to end of day. I don't like chaos. I don't like movable votes.

On the flip side, waiting until end of day makes end of day much more swingy. I’m probably not going to be around EoD, I’ve been yipyapping all day, and I still have no idea who you think is bad.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:45 pm**

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:45 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:43 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:39 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine
I think it would be really helpful if there were points given as to why you are voting someone when you do so.
Don't like the game state, would like Wilgy to do stuff as he's sort of just there for a majority of players.

Imagine thinking Doc will do stuff.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:47 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:45 pm Also we’ve now got a three way tie which is neat

Oh that IS neat!

>checks the vote totals

oh

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:48 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:45 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:45 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:43 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:39 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine
I think it would be really helpful if there were points given as to why you are voting someone when you do so.
Don't like the game state, would like Wilgy to do stuff as he's sort of just there for a majority of players.
Imagine thinking Doc will do stuff.

He’s got the licking down. I’m working on fetch.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:54 pm**

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:45 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:43 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:39 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine
I think it would be really helpful if there were points given as to why you are voting someone when you do so.
Don't like the game state, would like Wilgy to do stuff as he's sort of just there for a majority of players.

Looking over your posts in reference to Wilgy, you first townread him and then you didn't have much of anything of substance on him. You had stronger cases for others. This vote seems to come out of nowhere. Your gameplay so far looks like trying to fly under the radar so far Day 1.

To everyone, this whole debacle with Scotty has taken my focus away from what's important. I've been focused on defending myself so much because no one seems to understand my words!! It's taken all my energy and I haven't been able to see players for what they are doing.

Vivax is on my radar.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:56 pm**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:54 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:45 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:43 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:39 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine
I think it would be really helpful if there were points given as to why you are voting someone when you do so.
Don't like the game state, would like Wilgy to do stuff as he's sort of just there for a majority of players.
Looking over your posts in reference to Wilgy, you first townread him and then you didn't have much of anything of substance on him. You had stronger cases for others. This vote seems to come out of nowhere. Your gameplay so far looks like trying to fly under the radar so far Day 1.

To everyone, this whole debacle with Scotty has taken my focus away from what's important. I've been focused on defending myself so much because no one seems to understand my words!! It's taken all my energy and I haven't been able to see players for what they are doing.

Vivax is on my radar.

Do you still believe that Sig placing a risky vote is more likely to come from mafia ?

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:01 pm**

One thing I’m I observing is people (including me, mea culpa), really have forgotten or don’t know some stuff about playing role madness games.

Some thoughts:

There are ways to solve low posters without thread pressure. Not saying pressure is bad, but it doesn’t live alone as a solving tool.

People do drop subtle role hints. What seems off topic or bantery, isn’t always.

There are good reasons for civs to withhold stuff. Skirting pressure on particular things might be role protection. Not providing a tonne of content might be role protection.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:05 pm**

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:20 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 11:54 am
G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:43 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:31 am Bea: *Lick*
G-Man: *Lick*
Vagrant doctor, why for art hast thou lickest me? Dost thy tongue perceive me in a particular manner?
Hunger.

You taste like caramel!

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:07 pm I"m not in love with this seasoning.

Caramel isn't a seasoning. It's clearly a cereal, which is in fact a toad.

Though, some car smell covered caramel sounds good.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:07 pm**

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:56 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:54 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:45 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:43 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:39 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine
I think it would be really helpful if there were points given as to why you are voting someone when you do so.
Don't like the game state, would like Wilgy to do stuff as he's sort of just there for a majority of players.
Looking over your posts in reference to Wilgy, you first townread him and then you didn't have much of anything of substance on him. You had stronger cases for others. This vote seems to come out of nowhere. Your gameplay so far looks like trying to fly under the radar so far Day 1.

To everyone, this whole debacle with Scotty has taken my focus away from what's important. I've been focused on defending myself so much because no one seems to understand my words!! It's taken all my energy and I haven't been able to see players for what they are doing.

Vivax is on my radar.
Do you still believe that Sig placing a risky vote is more likely to come from mafia ?

Do you mean early vote? How would it be risky if votes are movable?

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:11 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:18 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 11:48 am
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:54 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:31 am Bea: *Lick*
G-Man: *Lick*
Why are you licking people?
Why aren't you?
Consent matters

I DrWilgy the Wiggliest Wiggly in all of Wilgydom do hereby declare that no Wiggly Wilgy licking shall be done in such extremity that consent would be required.

Further all Wiggly Wilgy licking shall henceforth be thought of in strictly an innocent yet Wiggly nature. Nothing more than for the Wiggliest of all Wiggling Wilgys to obtain a Willing Wiggle of taste. All other thoughts related to the Wiggling Wilgy tasting the Wiggly Willing Wigglers shall be deemed both Wiggling cursed and Woggling blasphemous.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:12 pm**

I'm gonna Vote For G-Man

I will be a cold dead son of a bitch before I ever use that fucked up vote tag.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:14 pm**

Voting for Golden the Coward for poopooing on my attempts to sort out game mechanics to the civvies’ advantage. He’s also high post-count, which gives us lots to chew on, right or wrong. His tone is pretty level, but that (along with his posting volume) could be a ploy to place him right at radar level. He’s present, posting, and engaged. At this early stage it’s easy enough to give someone like him a pass for a few days just on those qualities alone.

[VOTE: Golden the Coward] aubergine

I have a meeting tonight that may push right up to eod. I’ll hang around up to the start of the meeting, but I can’t promise that I’ll make it back before the flip.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:14 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:12 pm I'm gonna Vote For G-Man

I will be a cold dead son of a bitch before I ever use that fucked up vote tag.

I feel the same way, DH. We shouldn't have to use them in this old school game.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:16 pm**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:54 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:45 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:43 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:39 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine
I think it would be really helpful if there were points given as to why you are voting someone when you do so.
Don't like the game state, would like Wilgy to do stuff as he's sort of just there for a majority of players.
Looking over your posts in reference to Wilgy, you first townread him and then you didn't have much of anything of substance on him. You had stronger cases for others. This vote seems to come out of nowhere. Your gameplay so far looks like trying to fly under the radar so far Day 1.

To everyone, this whole debacle with Scotty has taken my focus away from what's important. I've been focused on defending myself so much because no one seems to understand my words!! It's taken all my energy and I haven't been able to see players for what they are doing.

Vivax is on my radar.

*Lick*

Eloh you taste strange in this post. Like a bit of epoxy covered dandelion.

You either W shield me to form a pocket of lint and squish OR V see a discrepancy re Vivax's read. However bland Vivax may be, they taste of pasta water.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:17 pm**

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:14 pm Voting for Golden the Coward for poopooing on my attempts to sort out game mechanics to the civvies’ advantage. He’s also high post-count, which gives us lots to chew on, right or wrong. His tone is pretty level, but that (along with his posting volume) could be a ploy to place him right at radar level. He’s present, posting, and engaged. At this early stage it’s easy enough to give someone like him a pass for a few days just on those qualities alone.

[VOTE: Golden the Coward] aubergine

I have a meeting tonight that may push right up to eod. I’ll hang around up to the start of the meeting, but I can’t promise that I’ll make it back before the flip.

Weeheehee. This tastes fun.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:20 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:16 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:54 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:45 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:43 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:39 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine
I think it would be really helpful if there were points given as to why you are voting someone when you do so.
Don't like the game state, would like Wilgy to do stuff as he's sort of just there for a majority of players.
Looking over your posts in reference to Wilgy, you first townread him and then you didn't have much of anything of substance on him. You had stronger cases for others. This vote seems to come out of nowhere. Your gameplay so far looks like trying to fly under the radar so far Day 1.

To everyone, this whole debacle with Scotty has taken my focus away from what's important. I've been focused on defending myself so much because no one seems to understand my words!! It's taken all my energy and I haven't been able to see players for what they are doing.

Vivax is on my radar.
*Lick*

Eloh you taste strange in this post. Like a bit of epoxy covered dandelion.

You either W shield me to form a pocket of lint and squish OR V see a discrepancy re Vivax's read. However bland Vivax may be, they taste of pasta water.

As always, I have NO CLUE what you just said.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:20 pm**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:14 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:12 pm I'm gonna Vote For G-Man

I will be a cold dead son of a bitch before I ever use that fucked up vote tag.
I feel the same way, DH. We shouldn't have to use them in this old school game.

I just vastly miss the ordered voting. It made things so much crunchier. I don’t have the time or energy to sort through that now tho.

If they wanted votes to be unchangeable that would be pretty old school. If we lose that role, you might get your wish tho

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:21 pm**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:14 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:12 pm I'm gonna Vote For G-Man

I will be a cold dead son of a bitch before I ever use that fucked up vote tag.
I feel the same way, DH. We shouldn't have to use them in this old school game.

I remember when the aubergine thing first started and the tag was gross and the word aubergine was bigger and the whole thing legitimately, not even kidding, zero "DH doing a bit" - made me nauseous having to read.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:24 pm**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:20 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:16 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:54 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:45 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:43 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:39 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine
I think it would be really helpful if there were points given as to why you are voting someone when you do so.
Don't like the game state, would like Wilgy to do stuff as he's sort of just there for a majority of players.
Looking over your posts in reference to Wilgy, you first townread him and then you didn't have much of anything of substance on him. You had stronger cases for others. This vote seems to come out of nowhere. Your gameplay so far looks like trying to fly under the radar so far Day 1.

To everyone, this whole debacle with Scotty has taken my focus away from what's important. I've been focused on defending myself so much because no one seems to understand my words!! It's taken all my energy and I haven't been able to see players for what they are doing.

Vivax is on my radar.
*Lick*

Eloh you taste strange in this post. Like a bit of epoxy covered dandelion.

You either W shield me to form a pocket of lint and squish OR V see a discrepancy re Vivax's read. However bland Vivax may be, they taste of pasta water.
As always, I have NO CLUE what you just said.

Tis be a tasteful charm of mine.

Editors note from Modern day grumpy Wilgy: I'm not sure as to if posting in gimmick is going to give the viewers of the thread an aneurysm or myself one first. At least I'm not full emoji posting again though.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:25 pm**

I forget what happens in a tie, or multiple ties. Anyone want to enlighten me?

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:26 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:21 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:13 pm CURRENT VOTE TOTAL as of ~4 hours until end of day 1:

Spoiler: show
Sloonei (4): fingersplints, sig, Vivax, thellama73
Elohcin (2): Michelle, Quin
Scotty (2): Kate, NotAnAxeHole
LoRab (1): Scotty
Golden (1): DrWilgy
Quin (1): Golden
Vivax (1): Sloonei

Not voting: bea, DFaraday, DharmaHelper, Elohcin, GMan, LoRab

I town read this activity. Town needs these VCs later in the game

You consider making a VC post as civ behavior? Just to be clear what you're saying here.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:26 pm**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:25 pm I forget what happens in a tie, or multiple ties. Anyone want to enlighten me?

We eat them both.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:29 pm**

I believe one of the moderator breaks ties eloh.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:29 pm**

Yes. Just confirmed. The moderator vote breaks ties.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:31 pm**

thanks Bea.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:31 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:20 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:14 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:12 pm I'm gonna Vote For G-Man

I will be a cold dead son of a bitch before I ever use that fucked up vote tag.
I feel the same way, DH. We shouldn't have to use them in this old school game.
I just vastly miss the ordered voting. It made things so much crunchier. I don’t have the time or energy to sort through that now tho.

If they wanted votes to be unchangeable that would be pretty old school. If we lose that role, you might get your wish tho

Very true! Losing the accurate vote order wrecks my ability to take my spreadsheet to Nerd Factor 5 and renders me less useful.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:41 pm**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:25 pm I forget what happens in a tie, or multiple ties. Anyone want to enlighten me?

It looks like the Moderator Role decides all ties.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:49 pm**

What if I solve the game just by omgusing everyone who called me mafia

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:53 pm**

Someone remind me why they are voting Quin and G-Man please

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:55 pm**

I am also no fan of movable votes. There's too much scope for last minute manipulation and it gives an advantage to people who happen to be around when the poll ends, which is not possible for everyone. As others have pointed out, it ruins vote order analysis, which is often very useful.

G-Man voting for Golden makes no sensee to me, as I totally agree with Golden's point that you shouldn't base your gameplay on assumptions about mechanics that may or may not happen in the future.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:59 pm**

Here's an observation:
Sloonei came out of the gate with "sig is obviously mafia" very early on. Sig voted for Sloonei. When Sloonei was leading the lynch poll, sig moved his vote away from Sloonei.

Could we be seeing some brazen media teammates that call each other out early on Day 1? If so, I have to applaud that move.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:59 pm**

EBWOP: "mafia teammates"

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:02 pm**

Lammaloo - i would need more to vote either of them I think, but it is deffo something to keep in mind going forward.

I feel like there has been great discussion - which is awesome! I defo want to reread the thread and take notes this time (doh!) While it is still relitively manageable.

But I still lack any decent vote subject today. Goodness I forgot how sucky Day 1 is.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:03 pm**

also, good gracious this store!! They are sooooo untrained at every level. I need booze now!

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:09 pm**

bea wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:03 pm also, good gracious this store!! They are sooooo untrained at every level. I need booze now!

Untrained shop workers standing between me and booze makes me a sad llama

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:19 pm**

thellama73 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:59 pm Here's an observation:
Sloonei came out of the gate with "sig is obviously mafia" very early on. Sig voted for Sloonei. When Sloonei was leading the lynch poll, sig moved his vote away from Sloonei.

Could we be seeing some brazen media teammates that call each other out early on Day 1? If so, I have to applaud that move.

Imma be real salty if Sloonie flips mafia and I didn’t leave my vote on him for the civ credit (I’ll still claim civ credit though dw)

Having said that I do agree he’s been very active with little thread presences and he’s joking a lot. But, that doesn’t read mafia to me yet

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:20 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:30 pm There are so many people not voting

This posts feels icky

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:21 pm**

My "sig is obviously mafia" post at the start of this day was 100% unserious and a reference to a long-standing meme about sig always being the default easy-suspect option in every game that he plays. I have not had any suspicion against him at any point in this game.

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