The Syndicate

Also, if the sudden change from throwing paper balls at Scotty to throwing knifes at him confuses you.....I’m confused, too. I’m not saying it was role related but I can think of several role related reasons for that kind of switch so it’s a weird sticking point for you to have.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:25 pm @Scotty

Who is bad if I’m lynched and flip anything but Persian?

I don’t know if I can discuss this legally

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:27 pm Also, if the sudden change from throwing paper balls at Scotty to throwing knifes at him confuses you.....I’m confused, too. I’m not saying it was role related but I can think of several role related reasons for that kind of switch so it’s a weird sticking point for you to have.

That’s not my sticking point, it’s just one of many.

In any case, your conviction about my alignment is going to look very bad for you should I get mislynched

Let’s talk about other people. I have to go to work, so my time is almost up to talk before eod

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:25 pm @Scotty

Who is bad if I’m lynched and flip anything but Persian?

I don’t know if I can discuss this legally

Has nothing to do with how you are voting today so why not?

If you’d prefer -> What changes if I die and don’t flip mafia?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:34 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:27 pm Also, if the sudden change from throwing paper balls at Scotty to throwing knifes at him confuses you.....I’m confused, too. I’m not saying it was role related but I can think of several role related reasons for that kind of switch so it’s a weird sticking point for you to have.

That’s not my sticking point, it’s just one of many.

In any case, your conviction about my alignment is going to look very bad for you should I get mislynched

I’m double plus unconcerned.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:35 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:25 pm @Scotty

Who is bad if I’m lynched and flip anything but Persian?

I don’t know if I can discuss this legally

Has nothing to do with how you are voting today so why not?

If you’d prefer -> What changes if I die and don’t flip mafia?

I feel like this is still fringey talk at best.
It looks bad for me if you get lynched today and flip good, for sure

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:37 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:35 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:25 pm @Scotty

Who is bad if I’m lynched and flip anything but Persian?

I don’t know if I can discuss this legally

Has nothing to do with how you are voting today so why not?

If you’d prefer -> What changes if I die and don’t flip mafia?

I feel like this is still fringey talk at best.
It looks bad for me if you get lynched today and flip good, for sure

I’m not asking you to talk about your situation. I’m asking you to hunt for someone other than me cause I’m town.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:38 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:37 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:35 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:25 pm @Scotty

Who is bad if I’m lynched and flip anything but Persian?

I don’t know if I can discuss this legally

Has nothing to do with how you are voting today so why not?

If you’d prefer -> What changes if I die and don’t flip mafia?

I feel like this is still fringey talk at best.
It looks bad for me if you get lynched today and flip good, for sure

I’m not asking you to talk about your situation. I’m asking you to hunt for someone other than me cause I’m town.

I hvent been entirely focused on you today. Everything isn’t about you. Please get off my back, I can’t reach you but with a long stick

Let’s say we’re both supatown- you for Speedchuck, me for my other cases I’ve been making since, oh, day 2.

How bout that for teaming up to stop talking of each other? Lets have a gander at my iso from last night. I would link but I gotta go

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 2:08 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 2:03 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 1:58 pm @colonialbob
@Spacedaisy
@Turnip Head


Scotty says it is unclear why I pivoted from reading him from scumish to scum.

Do you believe that is true? Do you believe Scotty believes that is true?

More importantly I was unclear why you read me above nova. But that's fine, views change. I just didn't see it in your ISO is all.

Oh my previous reads?

Scotty w/bad tone vs Nova with bad tone and supposed evidence for teaming with Colin makes for a Nova that’s lower on my rainbow than Scotty.

Scotty with bad tone, teammate interactions with Colin, massive teammate interactions with Speedchuck, hunting for 3P, trying to lynch someone he said was 3P, trying to lynch someone for not hunting and then complaining when they started hunting, claiming I was massively bussing a nonsuspicious teammate when CBob (who knows me well) says I never do this, trying to discredit me at every turn, following TH’s orders to vote for me when his case against me applied equally to TH and trying to tie multiple players to someone we now know is scum....

Well, I can’t say where that puts you on my rainbow list, Scotty, but I am allowed to make cases.

Can you point me to a post or couple of posts where Scotty's interactions with speedchuck look particularly incriminating?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 3:54 pm Who can give me some quick reads on players? A couple sentences at most is all I’m asking for. I am lost and have nothing to latch onto without a poll or ability to ask more direct questions.

I think TH is on the right track.

Check out my ISO, not just what jack conveniently linked to. He’s pulling a one-trick pony type of day today so I end up mislynched. I’d continue to look at more options- look at nova and Quin’s ISO’s

Do you think Jack's cherrypicking of your ISO is malicious?

What if Scotty, nova, and Jack all turn out to be Town and we've been led right into the fire

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 5:00 pm What if Scotty, nova, and Jack all turn out to be Town and we've been led right into the fire

Who led us there?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 2:08 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 2:03 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 1:58 pm @colonialbob
@Spacedaisy
@Turnip Head


Scotty says it is unclear why I pivoted from reading him from scumish to scum.

Do you believe that is true? Do you believe Scotty believes that is true?

More importantly I was unclear why you read me above nova. But that's fine, views change. I just didn't see it in your ISO is all.

Oh my previous reads?

Scotty w/bad tone vs Nova with bad tone and supposed evidence for teaming with Colin makes for a Nova that’s lower on my rainbow than Scotty.

Scotty with bad tone, teammate interactions with Colin, massive teammate interactions with Speedchuck, hunting for 3P, trying to lynch someone he said was 3P, trying to lynch someone for not hunting and then complaining when they started hunting, claiming I was massively bussing a nonsuspicious teammate when CBob (who knows me well) says I never do this, trying to discredit me at every turn, following TH’s orders to vote for me when his case against me applied equally to TH and trying to tie multiple players to someone we now know is scum....

Well, I can’t say where that puts you on my rainbow list, Scotty, but I am allowed to make cases.

Can you point me to a post or couple of posts where Scotty's interactions with speedchuck look particularly incriminating?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 3:54 pm Who can give me some quick reads on players? A couple sentences at most is all I’m asking for. I am lost and have nothing to latch onto without a poll or ability to ask more direct questions.

I think TH is on the right track.

Check out my ISO, not just what jack conveniently linked to. He’s pulling a one-trick pony type of day today so I end up mislynched. I’d continue to look at more options- look at nova and Quin’s ISO’s

Do you think Jack's cherrypicking of your ISO is malicious?

I see a distinct reasoning that it could be. With his suredness of Speedchuck going into full bloom yesterday, either hes on a high from being right about him or he’s trying to muddy the waters with the pedigree of “oh well, I was right about that other guy” if I get mislynched.


I can definitely see either currently though. At the end of the day, we’ve put each other through the ringer and he’s played hard and well if he’s bad. Good game in either case

I just wanna be right about things because I’ve got Job streak going and I wanna make sure if I do get mislynched that town can have a winning shit here

Quin and Speedchuck interactions, because I have no read on the Quin and that seems like a good place to start working my way back into the thread:

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 11:34 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:44 pm Now I need to look at @Quin and try to remember something he's said or done. But I'mma do it tomorrow because I am dead on my feet.

Okay, but you have to town read me in return. Deal?

Their first direct interaction. Joking, not serious, easily can be a lighthearted joke between teammates but does not have to be.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 5:55 pm Why'd nova kick off? It sounded like a speedchuck lynch was the precedent to a nova lynch.

"Oh hey what's up guys I thought we were lynching speedchuck today?" Unless I am missing something, quin has said nothing about speedchuck at this point and his vote was on nova at the time.

After speedchuck's flip, quin does a couple interactive ISOs like this one, on Dunya and Scotty. He draws this conclusion:

Quin wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 6:07 am Concluding thoughts: Both look bad. dunya looks worse than Scotty.

But I don't see a ton of extrapolation in the ISOs themselves. Quin, why did you choose to look at these two in particular, and what exactly set off the sirens in your head when you looked at them?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:18 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:15 pm Why do you think Quin is bad?

Usually Quin is my first townread in a game. I usually see a genuine spark of towniness from him early. But in this game, I'm hard-pressed to say that he's had any impact on me one way or another. I have zero reason to read him as town.

I also came across this post from speedchuck, which I can read just as easily as either easy shade on a low-posting player, or soft distancing from a teammate. I dunno.

There's very little here from Quin. There's nothing here that makes a teammate pairing impossible, but there's also nothing that screams at me.
I suppose I could spend a more time looking at Quin's posts as a whole, but I'm not sure that would be a great use of my time right now as I'm trying to wrap my head around what's going on here before the deadline. I also have not had a chance to look at speedchuck's posts at all since he flipped. That's something I'll do if I ever find the time and energy for it. But I can't conduct a full investigation right now.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 5:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 2:08 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 2:03 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 1:58 pm @colonialbob
@Spacedaisy
@Turnip Head


Scotty says it is unclear why I pivoted from reading him from scumish to scum.

Do you believe that is true? Do you believe Scotty believes that is true?

More importantly I was unclear why you read me above nova. But that's fine, views change. I just didn't see it in your ISO is all.

Oh my previous reads?

Scotty w/bad tone vs Nova with bad tone and supposed evidence for teaming with Colin makes for a Nova that’s lower on my rainbow than Scotty.

Scotty with bad tone, teammate interactions with Colin, massive teammate interactions with Speedchuck, hunting for 3P, trying to lynch someone he said was 3P, trying to lynch someone for not hunting and then complaining when they started hunting, claiming I was massively bussing a nonsuspicious teammate when CBob (who knows me well) says I never do this, trying to discredit me at every turn, following TH’s orders to vote for me when his case against me applied equally to TH and trying to tie multiple players to someone we now know is scum....

Well, I can’t say where that puts you on my rainbow list, Scotty, but I am allowed to make cases.

Can you point me to a post or couple of posts where Scotty's interactions with speedchuck look particularly incriminating?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 4:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 3:54 pm Who can give me some quick reads on players? A couple sentences at most is all I’m asking for. I am lost and have nothing to latch onto without a poll or ability to ask more direct questions.

I think TH is on the right track.

Check out my ISO, not just what jack conveniently linked to. He’s pulling a one-trick pony type of day today so I end up mislynched. I’d continue to look at more options- look at nova and Quin’s ISO’s

Do you think Jack's cherrypicking of your ISO is malicious?

I see a distinct reasoning that it could be. With his suredness of Speedchuck going into full bloom yesterday, either hes on a high from being right about him or he’s trying to muddy the waters with the pedigree of “oh well, I was right about that other guy” if I get mislynched.


I can definitely see either currently though. At the end of the day, we’ve put each other through the ringer and he’s played hard and well if he’s bad. Good game in either case

I just wanna be right about things because I’ve got Job streak going and I wanna make sure if I do get mislynched that town can have a winning shit here

Who else might we be able to have a stimulating conversation about?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 5:01 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 5:00 pm What if Scotty, nova, and Jack all turn out to be Town and we've been led right into the fire

Who led us there?

Idk Marmoset and Dunham

Me trying to digest today's events and the arguing of Scotty and jack

Yeah I'm having an incredibly hard time wrapping my head around anything right now. There's a lot of words but I feel like half of them are in a different language. It's all... something to me.

so....

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 5:26 pm Me trying to digest today's events and the arguing of Scotty and jack

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wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 5:32 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 5:26 pm Me trying to digest today's events and the arguing of Scotty and jack

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Tell me who this is @everyone or you're suspicious

pardon me if im actually just stupid and bad at math but how are we anywhere near lylo?

13 players left alive, 2 of those are bad

at worst, there could potentially be 3 neutrals who have chosen to side with the mafia, which would I guess technically put us close to lylo but even then, they'd have no way within the ruleset to reliably coordinate their endgame votes or anything, and that's still kind of an extreme example. I doubt more than one of the neutral guys would choose that win con for themselves

oh boy so much new to read :/ so little time.

who's already voted?

I think kyle's a smart cookie and I like cookies.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 5:44 pm I think kyle's a smart cookie and I like cookies.

chocolate chip are the best

I think marmot's bad and doesn't taste as good as cookie

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 5:53 pm I think marmot's bad and doesn't taste as good as cookie

i think marmot is bad too........and tastes like junk food and sugar and carbs and that's all bad for u.

I think we have wasted so much time on JOH/Scotty today and avoided talking about a lot of other people. I appreciate Sloonei's effort to talk about Quin, but I don't see people voting off the wagon in this phase anymore because all I can see are reasons for why Scotty is bad or reasons why Jack is bad in my head now.

a little over 30 mins before eod.

hope [mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] , [mention]M Plus 7[/mention] , [mention]novaselinenever[/mention] , [mention]Quin[/mention] show up some time.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 5:55 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 5:53 pm I think marmot's bad and doesn't taste as good as cookie

i think marmot is bad too........and tastes like junk food and sugar and carbs and that's all bad for u.

:O I don't even eat those things!

Well, I do consume lots carbs (mainly through beer), but only minimal amounts of sugar.

I've taken today as kind of a break since proper discussion isn't strongly possible.

Expect rainbows and PoEs going forward though.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 6:02 pm a little over 30 mins before eod.

hope @Spacedaisy , @M Plus 7 , @novaselinenever , @Quin show up some time.

huh what? the poll says an hour and a half

Poll runs till Thu May 10, 2018 12:26 am

it is 12.09am now my time zone

maybe your timezone stamps arent aligned?

Sorry all, between dissertation edits and unfortunately getting sick, I've been out of it. I'll be pretty useless until Friday, but I'll make sure to cast a vote.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 2:14 pm Our dog passed away suddenly this morning. I'm not in any headspace to play at the moment, unfortunately. Sorry everybody.

I'm so sorry for your loss cbob. so glad you shared a photo of Jake, he was a beautiful dog and will be remembered as such. RIP.

And I'm showing an hour and a half myself.

well what the hell is happening o.O

mine will close in 20+ mins

dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 6:09 pm Poll runs till Thu May 10, 2018 12:26 am

it is 12.09am now my time zone

maybe your timezone stamps arent aligned?

Poll runs to 7:26 for me
It is currently 6:11 according to my clock and the syndicate's clock.

have i been mafia'ing wrong this whole time guys

I would guess you have the incorrect daylight savings option.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 6:12 pm have i been mafia'ing wrong this whole time guys

most definitely

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

My case is partially that Scotty threw much shade at Speedchuck and had nothing nice to say about him over the course of several days but then refused to vote for him.

This isn’t hunting. This is distancing.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 10:21 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:48 pm Speedchuck prolly bad tho.

Just sayin.

You’re probably right. I just haven’t put together the pieces yet

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:00 pm @speedchuck why pick out a defined number of scum? That sounds like the opposite of what a GTH read list is supposed to be: spontaneous

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:06 pm @speedchuck you made a read list yesterday with town reads, and about 5 other various pings you had on people, with the promise that you would sus people out by tomorrow (today). The rest of your posts since have been condemnations on Epi’s meta being different, picking apart some of his flighty voting patterns and parking your vote on him, though he wasn’t a player highlighted on your ping list yesterday. What happened to those pings?

Or was that just a semblance of appearing town for a bit while flying under the radar hmm?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:19 pm Anyway, I gotta go to work. May or may not be back before EoD. Godspeed gents. I could very well move to speed or stay on Epi.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:16 am How coincidental of Jack to start laying out reads now.

And how nice of cbob to butter him up and inflate his standing. He a teammate?

I think jack is distancing from nova and maybe speed. Can’t determine yet. I’m now convinced jack is only choosing to be “straight” because he has pressure.

Wtf happened to all this Speedchuck suspicion, Scotty? Why did it dry up just when other players started making serious cases against him?

I notice you get a bit of it back but it’s all in the form of “Yeah, Speed is bad...with a player I will now vote for instead.”

let's talk about Kylemii.

JOH, I think you've made your Scotty case enough obvious. We just won a bonus hour so let's do other stuff with it.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

Here is Scotty’s defense.

Note it is literally him saying Nova and Speed are bad together several times and then voting Nova or neither. At no point does Scotty make an effort to lynch Speddchuck.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 11:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 11:39 pm Haha. You’re joking calling me scum, right?

If you “don’t know” my alignment yet, that just makes me more certain about yours.

Show me the post where you’re interested in lynching Speedchuck yesterday or weighed in on my case or Daisy’s case. I’ve ISOed you. Those posts don’t exist.

I think you're going over my head. Should I "know" your alignment? I don't know what you're actually implying.

Here's one I looked at in relation to nova:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... ed#p439216

Here's some examples of where I said nova and speed should be lynched:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... ed#p439221
and
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... ed#p439239

I don't even remember what cases you or Daisy made on speed atm. Maybe I didn't weigh in. why does that matter?

so Kylemii...unmemorable. not really mechanically involved, didn't really care about getting to know metas of people he hadn't played with (yet asked Golden 10000 questions), comes across...agreeable.

if there's someone flying under my radar this game, it's Kyle.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 6:20 pm let's talk about Kylemii.

So talk about Kyle.

I got people coming onto the thread asking me for details so I’m going to give them.

Nobody has stopped you or anybody else from talking about people not named Scotty or Jack.

those were observations off the top of my head. time for a ISO skim.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 6:23 pm so Kylemii...unmemorable. not really mechanically involved, didn't really care about getting to know metas of people he hadn't played with (yet asked Golden 10000 questions), comes across...agreeable.

if there's someone flying under my radar this game, it's Kyle.

wow

that's a very loose description of how I've played, which only includes my actions during like... Day 1 and 2