The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:19 pm I'm very torn between thinking TLib is the poe shot we should take based on GH's article, and thinking he's just easy mislynch bait that will leave us as unsatisfied as the boo and ty lynches did. At least a vanity lynch will be interesting either way right?? Ugh I hate that justification though, I just want to make the choice more likely to bag us a wolf. Hmmph

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:59 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:09 am @Elephant and @Hyena do you feel like vanity was just fabricating his lack of knowledge about why Nanook accepted me and Elephant into the town core?

No, he might've been unaware of it. I'm just annoyed that he didn't go back to see why Elephant was being townread. Like, it doesn't really feel like Vanity has been reading Elephant's, or anybody's really, posts and that he's just blindly pushing Elephant only because of that's what he has been doing. Like, there's no effort to really change direction, aside from occasionally calling people scum when they go against him. It's this lack of effort to evaluate people that's really driving me nuts.

Like, Nutella has been swinging back and forth between Elephant and Vanity, but at least these changes are based on, like, new thoughts and info as they're posted in the thread. Vanity, on the other hand, is perfectly fine refusing to acknowledge Nutella's swinging in spite of there being clear evidence that she has been doing it, and it felt like he was fine with it only because Nutella started townreading him again.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:31 pm [VOTE: Vanity] aubergine

I'm committed to it. I'm not going to strongarm you into voting him Nutella, but I think this is the way we need to go. If I'm wrong, you can beat me up tomorrow for it. :P

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:26 pm Also, hiiii Mendel. <3

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:38 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:31 pm [VOTE: Vanity] aubergine

I'm committed to it. I'm not going to strongarm you into voting him Nutella, but I think this is the way we need to go. If I'm wrong, you can beat me up tomorrow for it. :P

Your vote seems to not be reflected in the poll yet.

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:48 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:26 pm Also, hiiii Mendel. <3

Thank you for the warm welcome!
This is my only Syndicate account, so technically it is not an alt. JJJ knew all along, and so did nutella. I've become the Elephant because I felt a bit of an imposter for not actually advancing in the championship, because I wanted to conceal my presence from some participants (not here now), and because I wanted to try out a more considered and less emotional and aggressive posting style. I'd prefer to keep the style, though I can drop it if that helps resolve me. I guess it's good that this isn't an anon game, eh?

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:54 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:48 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:26 pm Also, hiiii Mendel. <3

Thank you for the warm welcome!
This is my only Syndicate account, so technically it is not an alt. JJJ knew all along, and so did nutella. I've become the Elephant because I felt a bit of an imposter for not actually advancing in the championship, because I wanted to conceal my presence from some participants (not here now), and because I wanted to try out a more considered and less emotional and aggressive posting style. I'd prefer to keep the style, though I can drop it if that helps resolve me. I guess it's good that this isn't an anon game, eh?

Oh man, I'm so glad this isn't an anon game. I'm always terrible at those, haha. And I understand! I've considered making a secret alt account for similar reasons. Unfortunately, I think my personality would inevitably bleed into my posts regardless, so I always thought it would be a futile effort for me, lol. Also, you're not an imposter! D:<

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:48 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:26 pm Also, hiiii Mendel. <3

Thank you for the warm welcome!
This is my only Syndicate account, so technically it is not an alt. JJJ knew all along, and so did nutella. I've become the Elephant because I felt a bit of an imposter for not actually advancing in the championship, because I wanted to conceal my presence from some participants (not here now), and because I wanted to try out a more considered and less emotional and aggressive posting style. I'd prefer to keep the style, though I can drop it if that helps resolve me. I guess it's good that this isn't an anon game, eh?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:56 pm Ok, I see your concern @nutella about TLib being that guy in the poe from GH's article but from my own observation and the discussion that just took place I feel stronger about vanity.

Hyena is right, we need to resolve him today because we are just pushing the food around the plate instead of taking a bite. I share the concerns about vanity seeming like he's just reading the posts that are more current in here when he comes on line instead of studying the posts he missed and trying to solve the game. I understand he isn't enjoying himself and doesn't want to try but that's just not a good enough excuse. So I am going to vote him now -

[VOTE: vanity] aubergine

Also, Hyena I think mentioned Long Con and how odd it is that when he's mentioned with another player it's the other player that gets the vote. I also find that odd.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:54 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:48 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:26 pm Also, hiiii Mendel. <3

Thank you for the warm welcome!
This is my only Syndicate account, so technically it is not an alt. JJJ knew all along, and so did nutella. I've become the Elephant because I felt a bit of an imposter for not actually advancing in the championship, because I wanted to conceal my presence from some participants (not here now), and because I wanted to try out a more considered and less emotional and aggressive posting style. I'd prefer to keep the style, though I can drop it if that helps resolve me. I guess it's good that this isn't an anon game, eh?

Oh man, I'm so glad this isn't an anon game. I'm always terrible at those, haha. And I understand! I've considered making a secret alt account for similar reasons. Unfortunately, I think my personality would inevitably bleed into my posts regardless, so I always thought it would be a futile effort for me, lol. Also, you're not an imposter! D:<

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:56 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:54 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:48 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:26 pm Also, hiiii Mendel. <3

Thank you for the warm welcome!
This is my only Syndicate account, so technically it is not an alt. JJJ knew all along, and so did nutella. I've become the Elephant because I felt a bit of an imposter for not actually advancing in the championship, because I wanted to conceal my presence from some participants (not here now), and because I wanted to try out a more considered and less emotional and aggressive posting style. I'd prefer to keep the style, though I can drop it if that helps resolve me. I guess it's good that this isn't an anon game, eh?

Oh man, I'm so glad this isn't an anon game. I'm always terrible at those, haha. And I understand! I've considered making a secret alt account for similar reasons. Unfortunately, I think my personality would inevitably bleed into my posts regardless, so I always thought it would be a futile effort for me, lol. Also, you're not an imposter! D:<

You would be surprise i played one on MU recently and thought the same thing but wasn't found (funnily enough was killed there by town as town for a play i would of usually gotten away with)

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:06 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:56 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:54 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:48 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:26 pm Also, hiiii Mendel. <3

Thank you for the warm welcome!
This is my only Syndicate account, so technically it is not an alt. JJJ knew all along, and so did nutella. I've become the Elephant because I felt a bit of an imposter for not actually advancing in the championship, because I wanted to conceal my presence from some participants (not here now), and because I wanted to try out a more considered and less emotional and aggressive posting style. I'd prefer to keep the style, though I can drop it if that helps resolve me. I guess it's good that this isn't an anon game, eh?

Oh man, I'm so glad this isn't an anon game. I'm always terrible at those, haha. And I understand! I've considered making a secret alt account for similar reasons. Unfortunately, I think my personality would inevitably bleed into my posts regardless, so I always thought it would be a futile effort for me, lol. Also, you're not an imposter! D:<

You would be surprise i played one on MU recently and thought the same thing but wasn't found (funnily enough was killed there by town as town for a play i would of usually gotten away with)

I recently played an Anon Turbo game on MU, and Evenstar happened to be playing, too... she guessed me correctly by D2, lol.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:59 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:56 pm Ok, I see your concern @nutella about TLib being that guy in the poe from GH's article but from my own observation and the discussion that just took place I feel stronger about vanity.

Hyena is right, we need to resolve him today because we are just pushing the food around the plate instead of taking a bite. I share the concerns about vanity seeming like he's just reading the posts that are more current in here when he comes on line instead of studying the posts he missed and trying to solve the game. I understand he isn't enjoying himself and doesn't want to try but that's just not a good enough excuse. So I am going to vote him now -

[VOTE: vanity] aubergine

Also, Hyena I think mentioned Long Con and how odd it is that when he's mentioned with another player it's the other player that gets the vote. I also find that odd.

That last part is odd and i personally missed it completely
still think vanity is a better vote for today but does make me wanna talk another look at Long Con and his interactions with people.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:59 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:56 pm Ok, I see your concern @nutella about TLib being that guy in the poe from GH's article but from my own observation and the discussion that just took place I feel stronger about vanity.

Hyena is right, we need to resolve him today because we are just pushing the food around the plate instead of taking a bite. I share the concerns about vanity seeming like he's just reading the posts that are more current in here when he comes on line instead of studying the posts he missed and trying to solve the game. I understand he isn't enjoying himself and doesn't want to try but that's just not a good enough excuse. So I am going to vote him now -

[VOTE: vanity] aubergine

Also, Hyena I think mentioned Long Con and how odd it is that when he's mentioned with another player it's the other player that gets the vote. I also find that odd.

That last part is odd and i personally missed it completely
still think vanity is a better vote for today but does make me wanna talk another look at Long Con and his interactions with people.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:18 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:59 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:56 pm Ok, I see your concern @nutella about TLib being that guy in the poe from GH's article but from my own observation and the discussion that just took place I feel stronger about vanity.

Hyena is right, we need to resolve him today because we are just pushing the food around the plate instead of taking a bite. I share the concerns about vanity seeming like he's just reading the posts that are more current in here when he comes on line instead of studying the posts he missed and trying to solve the game. I understand he isn't enjoying himself and doesn't want to try but that's just not a good enough excuse. So I am going to vote him now -

[VOTE: vanity] aubergine

Also, Hyena I think mentioned Long Con and how odd it is that when he's mentioned with another player it's the other player that gets the vote. I also find that odd.

That last part is odd and i personally missed it completely
still think vanity is a better vote for today but does make me wanna talk another look at Long Con and his interactions with people.

I don't even know if that's a true fact. Maybe it's just that you are scummier-looking than me?

Looking through your ISO, I notice a serious lack of talk about Hyena, nutella, myself, juliets... is it because you just townread us? You have been all over the vanity-Elephant thing, with a bit of Creature, but little else. Why are each of us so less worthy of your scrutiny?

Or are we in your "pocket zone" as townfolk you believe you trick because we don't know you so well, and you want top take out players with mutual history who can read you better?

I notice Benson had suspicion of you before he was killed. I'm going to honour his memory with a vote your way. [VOTE: TLib] aubergine

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:55 pm hey everything seems fixed and working for me was able to view the thread but postings wasn't going but here now.

So let me ask do people buy vanity's defense? personally i don't.

Elephant you were talking about not trusting the Vig anymore based on not shooting Vanity do you think that if Vanity flips wolf this is ever more likely?

Nutella you seem to be throwing your vote around alot jumping onto alot of different wagons as they form any comment on that?

Vanity if you are town who other then me would you suspect as the wolf in the thread on the originally people?

If anyone has questions for me ask please i want/need to prove my towniness to you all.

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:21 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:55 pm hey everything seems fixed and working for me was able to view the thread but postings wasn't going but here now.

So let me ask do people buy vanity's defense? personally i don't.

Elephant you were talking about not trusting the Vig anymore based on not shooting Vanity do you think that if Vanity flips wolf this is ever more likely?

Nutella you seem to be throwing your vote around alot jumping onto alot of different wagons as they form any comment on that?

Vanity if you are town who other then me would you suspect as the wolf in the thread on the originally people?

If anyone has questions for me ask please i want/need to prove my towniness to you all.

The true vigilante is town-aligned. We are assuming that they are the role that is doing the extra night kills, but we have no evidence. We know that we have a 3rd party role as well who might be killing. I don't think vanity's flip matters here: the vigilante does not know vanity's alignment, and might holster from other concerns; the 3rd party probably does not know vanity's alignment either, but the fact that vanity is alive today has been worse for town as if he had been killed as either alignment. Personally, I still believe we likely saw vigilante kills, and vanity's flip is not going to change that.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:58 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:48 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:26 pm Also, hiiii Mendel. <3

Thank you for the warm welcome!
This is my only Syndicate account, so technically it is not an alt. JJJ knew all along, and so did nutella. I've become the Elephant because I felt a bit of an imposter for not actually advancing in the championship, because I wanted to conceal my presence from some participants (not here now), and because I wanted to try out a more considered and less emotional and aggressive posting style. I'd prefer to keep the style, though I can drop it if that helps resolve me. I guess it's good that this isn't an anon game, eh?

Hahaha it IS you! I hope this doesn't mean you will stop posting Elephant pics!

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:56 pm Ok, I see your concern @nutella about TLib being that guy in the poe from GH's article but from my own observation and the discussion that just took place I feel stronger about vanity.

Hyena is right, we need to resolve him today because we are just pushing the food around the plate instead of taking a bite. I share the concerns about vanity seeming like he's just reading the posts that are more current in here when he comes on line instead of studying the posts he missed and trying to solve the game. I understand he isn't enjoying himself and doesn't want to try but that's just not a good enough excuse. So I am going to vote him now -

[VOTE: vanity] aubergine

Also, Hyena I think mentioned Long Con and how odd it is that when he's mentioned with another player it's the other player that gets the vote. I also find that odd.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:20 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:18 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:59 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:56 pm Ok, I see your concern @nutella about TLib being that guy in the poe from GH's article but from my own observation and the discussion that just took place I feel stronger about vanity.

Hyena is right, we need to resolve him today because we are just pushing the food around the plate instead of taking a bite. I share the concerns about vanity seeming like he's just reading the posts that are more current in here when he comes on line instead of studying the posts he missed and trying to solve the game. I understand he isn't enjoying himself and doesn't want to try but that's just not a good enough excuse. So I am going to vote him now -

[VOTE: vanity] aubergine

Also, Hyena I think mentioned Long Con and how odd it is that when he's mentioned with another player it's the other player that gets the vote. I also find that odd.

That last part is odd and i personally missed it completely
still think vanity is a better vote for today but does make me wanna talk another look at Long Con and his interactions with people.

I don't even know if that's a true fact. Maybe it's just that you are scummier-looking than me?

Looking through your ISO, I notice a serious lack of talk about Hyena, nutella, myself, juliets... is it because you just townread us? You have been all over the vanity-Elephant thing, with a bit of Creature, but little else. Why are each of us so less worthy of your scrutiny?

Or are we in your "pocket zone" as townfolk you believe you trick because we don't know you so well, and you want top take out players with mutual history who can read you better?

I notice Benson had suspicion of you before he was killed. I'm going to honour his memory with a vote your way. [VOTE: TLib] aubergine

Hmmmm this is getting interesting

LC what are your thoughts on the most recent talking points about vanity? Are you unwilling to join the wagon?

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:28 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:56 pm Ok, I see your concern @nutella about TLib being that guy in the poe from GH's article but from my own observation and the discussion that just took place I feel stronger about vanity.

Hyena is right, we need to resolve him today because we are just pushing the food around the plate instead of taking a bite. I share the concerns about vanity seeming like he's just reading the posts that are more current in here when he comes on line instead of studying the posts he missed and trying to solve the game. I understand he isn't enjoying himself and doesn't want to try but that's just not a good enough excuse. So I am going to vote him now -

[VOTE: vanity] aubergine

Also, Hyena I think mentioned Long Con and how odd it is that when he's mentioned with another player it's the other player that gets the vote. I also find that odd.

Can you look up when Long Con has been voted, and by whom?

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:28 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:56 pm Ok, I see your concern @nutella about TLib being that guy in the poe from GH's article but from my own observation and the discussion that just took place I feel stronger about vanity.

Hyena is right, we need to resolve him today because we are just pushing the food around the plate instead of taking a bite. I share the concerns about vanity seeming like he's just reading the posts that are more current in here when he comes on line instead of studying the posts he missed and trying to solve the game. I understand he isn't enjoying himself and doesn't want to try but that's just not a good enough excuse. So I am going to vote him now -

[VOTE: vanity] aubergine

Also, Hyena I think mentioned Long Con and how odd it is that when he's mentioned with another player it's the other player that gets the vote. I also find that odd.

Can you look up when Long Con has been voted, and by whom?

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:45 pm @Long Con , you refer to reading player ISOs in some of your posts, but I didn't get a good impression of your actual solving process. What are you looking for when you' are resolving a player? What about their ISO makes them town or scum to you?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:09 pm From days before the last day phase here are the LC votes:

October 27th
7:56 pm Mac votes LC

October 28
11:43 pm - Mac votes LC

Nov. 1
4:35 pm - vanity votes LC

I didn't do yesterday's phase but I'll look through it right now for LC votes.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:32 pm Votes for LC during the last phase:

Monday November 4
7:08 am - Creature votes Long Con

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:13 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:45 pm @Long Con , you refer to reading player ISOs in some of your posts, but I didn't get a good impression of your actual solving process. What are you looking for when you' are resolving a player? What about their ISO makes them town or scum to you?

Sometimes I picture what they're saying as coming from a town or scum perspective, and see which feels like a better fit. Sometimes I look and see who a person has been talking about, and who a person hasn't been talking about. Sometimes I look post-flip to see if new information reveals anything juicy in hindsight. I don't have a "method".

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:04 pm hi. is today eod? i awoke a little bit ago.

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:04 pm hi. is today eod? i awoke a little bit ago.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:56 pm Ok, I see your concern @nutella about TLib being that guy in the poe from GH's article but from my own observation and the discussion that just took place I feel stronger about vanity.

Hyena is right, we need to resolve him today because we are just pushing the food around the plate instead of taking a bite. I share the concerns about vanity seeming like he's just reading the posts that are more current in here when he comes on line instead of studying the posts he missed and trying to solve the game. I understand he isn't enjoying himself and doesn't want to try but that's just not a good enough excuse. So I am going to vote him now -

[VOTE: vanity] aubergine

Also, Hyena I think mentioned Long Con and how odd it is that when he's mentioned with another player it's the other player that gets the vote. I also find that odd.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:23 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:20 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:16 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:14 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:56 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:12 pm @Creature I see it as a starting place at least.

I'm anxious to hear what @Quin and @Lady LambdaDelta have to say about whether they saw the Nanook and Ty4on flips when they happened the first time. And whatever else they can tell us.

To my understanding we weren't supposed to see flips. We saw boo's but that was some kind of host oopsie. Also Epi (among others, probably - but he's an example) disappeared from our thread yesterday and isn't in this thread so something's going on there.

Maybe they went to a deeper level? As far as I've been able to guess, this level is the top and yours is the next dream in, so maybe another was added

That's likely. Just to clarify, I know pretty much nothing about how this 'sink' works. We had to vote but whoever we ended up lynching didn't die, and then we lost like 11 people at once.

Ok so when Nanook and Ty4on (who replaced nova) joined us here we guessed that Nanook was "NKed" over there to get "kicked" to our dream level, and that Nova/Ty was "lynched" over there (since they told us that he was one of the apparent candidates for people's votes there, though of course they couldn't be sure).

Do you think your side voted to lynch LLD or yourself, and that the other one may have been "NKed"?

I think they would have NK'd lady and lynched me. I townread Lady and my activity was abysmal for a lynch pool of 5 people.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:07 pm gth reads based on mac's exercise:

Benson: I've only known Benson for a day and a half, but if anything ever happened to him I would kill everyone in this game and then myself. Similar to TSP in having things to say about just about everything, but there's dedication to these posts TSP doesn't have. Town.

Dragomir: Early juliets callout set off alarm bells. Didn't really sound like a test even though that's how he played it. There's fluff, but his meaty posts are targeted in just about every direction which isn't a bad thing. Kinda don't think he'd go so overboard with that Evenstar stuff is he was bad (to stay out of the spotlight if anything) Town.

Lady L (thank you umineko references): The 4 person shtick is...confusing? I won't linger on it. I do hope there's not actually 4 people behind the role though. Somewhat insightful up until the nutella vote which isn't explained until later on. Though she is proactive in getting the lynch going (good), Lady has her heels in the ground when talking about it with other people which sucks a bit. Town.

Rej: The Michelle callout is a good look (questioning those who blindly accept townreads). It's a good point against her, though if I can make time I'd give her a read too before I make any judgments. Not a whole lot to work with otherwise. Town.

TSP: Fluff. If scum, probably buddying the elephant. He's got a lot of posts yet so many of them seem to be tiptoeing around the events of the thread without dedicating himself to anything. Scum.