The Syndicate

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:15 pm**

why are you bringing up quin's d1 reads elephant? this seems sorta random.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:16 pm**

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:09 pm ask yourselves this:

i flip. what happens next? think about it from a town flip, a mafia flip, or a 3p flip. what do you guys do?

If town, look at Elephant's arguments against you, TLib's votes on you, nutella's switches on and off you. If mafia, look at Long Con since he's voted with you a lot. Also nutella again and her swings on and off you. Dunno about 3p though. I'd probably treat it as a town flip though in terms of looking for mafia.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:16 pm**

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:14 pm will you guys even care about my reads once i'm gone? i know elephant probably shouldn't if he's town. i admit there's a very good chance elephant actually is town here. but i don't think trustworthy liberal is town at all.

If you flip town I probably look at TLib next.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:16 pm**

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:14 pm will you guys even care about my reads once i'm gone? i know elephant probably shouldn't if he's town. i admit there's a very good chance elephant actually is town here. but i don't think trustworthy liberal is town at all.

I will care about your reads once you're gone.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:17 pm**

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:09 pm ask yourselves this:

i flip. what happens next? think about it from a town flip, a mafia flip, or a 3p flip. what do you guys do?

a) kick something really hard and watch a violent movie
b) job well done, feel good!
c) Lady Luck smiled upon us, we're the best!

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:18 pm**

trying to solve quin's alignment i suppose. i just find it weird that you're trying to iso quin and stuff and go about it unbiasedly but ever since you cased me you never stopped tunneling me.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:18 pm**

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:14 pm will you guys even care about my reads once i'm gone? i know elephant probably shouldn't if he's town. i admit there's a very good chance elephant actually is town here. but i don't think trustworthy liberal is town at all.

Also, what made you change your mind on Elephant?

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:18 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:16 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:14 pm will you guys even care about my reads once i'm gone? i know elephant probably shouldn't if he's town. i admit there's a very good chance elephant actually is town here. but i don't think trustworthy liberal is town at all.
If you flip town I probably look at TLib next.

I agree with this.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:19 pm**

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:15 pm why are you bringing up quin's d1 reads elephant? this seems sorta random.

I looked at the voting poll, saw Quin and LLD not on there, and wanted to lay some groundwork for tomorrow. This might be my last chance.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:20 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:18 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:14 pm will you guys even care about my reads once i'm gone? i know elephant probably shouldn't if he's town. i admit there's a very good chance elephant actually is town here. but i don't think trustworthy liberal is town at all.
Also, what made you change your mind on Elephant?

i haven't necessarily made up my mind on elephant, i just believe that i've been too hard on him for not really a whole lot of reason other than he was wrong on me and it seemed like he made several cases on me because he felt like he had too.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:20 pm**

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:13 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:45 pm @Long Con , you refer to reading player ISOs in some of your posts, but I didn't get a good impression of your actual solving process. What are you looking for when you' are resolving a player? What about their ISO makes them town or scum to you?
Sometimes I picture what they're saying as coming from a town or scum perspective, and see which feels like a better fit. Sometimes I look and see who a person has been talking about, and who a person hasn't been talking about. Sometimes I look post-flip to see if new information reveals anything juicy in hindsight. I don't have a "method".
Could you walk me through the perspective that Trustworthy Liberal's posts show to you?

Ask me tomorrow

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:22 pm**

nutella, long con, and creature are my only townreads as of now. it's scant but those are the only people i even feel remotely good about. creature said that i was probably townreading wolves and he has to be referring to one of nutella, long con, and hyena. i know he thinks long con is a wolf but i don't understand why i suppose. maybe i'm just reading too hard into select posts.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:23 pm**

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:18 pm trying to solve quin's alignment i suppose. i just find it weird that you're trying to iso quin and stuff and go about it unbiasedly but ever since you cased me you never stopped tunneling me.

Quin wasn't very active today, and Lady LD had a single post, I think? They just flew under the radar because we were preoccupied, and somone suggested to lynch inside the "old guard". This is a bit of a prod with view to tomorrow that these guys can't keep slanking. (Well, I haven't gotten to LLD yet.)

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:24 pm**

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:23 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:18 pm trying to solve quin's alignment i suppose. i just find it weird that you're trying to iso quin and stuff and go about it unbiasedly but ever since you cased me you never stopped tunneling me.
Quin wasn't very active today, and Lady LD had a single post, I think? They just flew under the radar because we were preoccupied, and somone suggested to lynch inside the "old guard". This is a bit of a prod with view to tomorrow that these guys can't keep slanking. (Well, I haven't gotten to LLD yet.)

you can probably iso lld and come to a conclusion in like 3 minutes lol. it's a weird iso from d1 and she made 1 post today that is completely nai.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:24 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:20 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:13 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:45 pm @Long Con , you refer to reading player ISOs in some of your posts, but I didn't get a good impression of your actual solving process. What are you looking for when you' are resolving a player? What about their ISO makes them town or scum to you?
Sometimes I picture what they're saying as coming from a town or scum perspective, and see which feels like a better fit. Sometimes I look and see who a person has been talking about, and who a person hasn't been talking about. Sometimes I look post-flip to see if new information reveals anything juicy in hindsight. I don't have a "method".
Could you walk me through the perspective that Trustworthy Liberal's posts show to you?
Ask me tomorrow

I'll try.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:25 pm**

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:24 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:20 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:13 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:45 pm @Long Con , you refer to reading player ISOs in some of your posts, but I didn't get a good impression of your actual solving process. What are you looking for when you' are resolving a player? What about their ISO makes them town or scum to you?
Sometimes I picture what they're saying as coming from a town or scum perspective, and see which feels like a better fit. Sometimes I look and see who a person has been talking about, and who a person hasn't been talking about. Sometimes I look post-flip to see if new information reveals anything juicy in hindsight. I don't have a "method".
Could you walk me through the perspective that Trustworthy Liberal's posts show to you?
Ask me tomorrow

I'll try.

If you can't one of us will follow up.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:27 pm**

yeah this is probably the worst i have played in a game in a while. sorry about that everyone. hopefully you guys can bring it back after 3 consecutive mislynches if you do choose to lynch me.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:29 pm**

i sorta think juliets is town btw for no particular reasoning.

if nutella's a wolf then she's just been balling on me all game.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:30 pm**

Yes, that was a short ISO. I saw a nutella push on D1, and not much more.

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:13 am Hi, my name is Nyx and I'll be your resident speaker for today.

We as a whole have just played 5 games of mafia and Lexi is exhausted so we won't be posting again today, but honestly we're checking in because I figure if we never check in we'll never catch up.

So I delegate the task of helping us know wtf is going on to all of you! Find me interesting posts I should read and tag me in them and we will read them!

That way I don't gotta give a fuck and I can just chill and watch anime~

Sounds good? Great.

-Nyx

We should try the "tag LLD on interesting posts" technique tomorrow.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:32 pm**

I'm really disappointed that LLD hasn't posted more.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:33 pm**

VOTE COUNT

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Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:34 pm**

quin's iso isn't towny, especially today's posts. the read on iaafr having tmi is weird but i don't know what iaafr posted in his group.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:34 pm**

I just noticed [mention]Trustworthy Liberal[/mention] hasn't voted yet. Where are you Trusty, time to vote -

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:34 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:32 pm I'm really disappointed that LLD hasn't posted more.

I was looking forward to playing with her, too.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:36 pm**

fwiw i think iaafr does have a good wolfgame but if he was slowing down regarding posts in his group then that is something to raise an eyebrow over. iaafr can post weird sometimes but if he's posting a ton then he's almost never a wolf by virtue of meta.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:38 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:34 pm I just noticed @Trustworthy Liberal hasn't voted yet. Where are you Trusty, time to vote -

I've been running around also didn't notice my vote wasn't down thanks for the ping
[VOTE: Vanity] aubergine

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:39 pm**

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:40 pm**

okay so here's the deal.

if you think you will never be able to find me as town this game, lynching me is the correct move. if you are not comfortable with ride or dying me, lynching me is the correct move. but if you're lynching me because you think you have to, then lynching me is absolutely not the right move. lynch me because you think i'm a wolf. don't lynch me for any other reason.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:42 pm**

sorry for not projecting town this game. this is on me.

/ate switch flipped off

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:45 pm**

okay so i read hyena's thing about nutella flipping constantly between me or elephant being a wolf and uhhh...

why is it scum indicative?

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:46 pm**

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:40 pm okay so here's the deal.

if you think you will never be able to find me as town this game, lynching me is the correct move. if you are not comfortable with ride or dying me, lynching me is the correct move. but if you're lynching me because you think you have to, then lynching me is absolutely not the right move. lynch me because you think i'm a wolf. don't lynch me for any other reason.

Yeah, if people are voting because they feel like they have to, like, don't do that. I'm voting because I don't feel comfortable calling Vanity a ride or die. I don't feel like I can call him town.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:47 pm**

you are not making this easy for me but I'm not wavering at this point lol

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:48 pm**

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:45 pm okay so i read hyena's thing about nutella flipping constantly between me or elephant being a wolf and uhhh...

why is it scum indicative?

Together with her ending up voting for neither of you both D3 and D2 makes me think she's prolonging this conflict between you and Elephant. This conflict should have resolved a long time ago.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:48 pm**

vanity, I am sorry if you are town but I don't think I could ever find you as town in this game. That's why I'm voting for you, not because I feel like I have to.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:50 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:59 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:09 am @Elephant and @Hyena do you feel like vanity was just fabricating his lack of knowledge about why Nanook accepted me and Elephant into the town core?
No, he might've been unaware of it. I'm just annoyed that he didn't go back to see why Elephant was being townread. Like, it doesn't really feel like Vanity has been reading Elephant's, or anybody's really, posts and that he's just blindly pushing Elephant only because of that's what he has been doing. Like, there's no effort to really change direction, aside from occasionally calling people scum when they go against him. It's this lack of effort to evaluate people that's really driving me nuts.

Like, Nutella has been swinging back and forth between Elephant and Vanity, but at least these changes are based on, like, new thoughts and info as they're posted in the thread. Vanity, on the other hand, is perfectly fine refusing to acknowledge Nutella's swinging in spite of there being clear evidence that she has been doing it, and it felt like he was fine with it only because Nutella started townreading him again.

lolwut.

i'm trying to pocket nutella, first and foremost, because i think she's been villagery all game and has been legitimately trying to solve the situation between me and elephant. that i'll admit. also she's been saying that she didn't like forced dictotomies between me and elephant, though i don't think it was forced it sorta happened naturally.

i have done no refusal of anything in regards to nutella. the reason i think she was town was because i thought she legitimately believed something and got so hung up on it that it's almost unfakeable as a wolf. i never faltered in townreading nutella, i don't know where you got the "i was fine with only because nutella townread me". i was trying to talk sense into nutella because i had no idea why she thought that between nanook, juliets, and elephant that there were mechanical clears. fmpov, that didn't make sense.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:51 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:46 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:40 pm okay so here's the deal.

if you think you will never be able to find me as town this game, lynching me is the correct move. if you are not comfortable with ride or dying me, lynching me is the correct move. but if you're lynching me because you think you have to, then lynching me is absolutely not the right move. lynch me because you think i'm a wolf. don't lynch me for any other reason.
Yeah, if people are voting because they feel like they have to, like, don't do that. I'm voting because I don't feel comfortable calling Vanity a ride or die. I don't feel like I can call him town.

I believe the best I can do each day is look for the scummiest player I can find, and lynch them, and if I can't, vote the scummiest wagon. The vote is our weapon, and needs to be used, even if we're rarely ever 100% sure. Not every game has a #1610!

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:52 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:48 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:45 pm okay so i read hyena's thing about nutella flipping constantly between me or elephant being a wolf and uhhh...

why is it scum indicative?
Together with her ending up voting for neither of you both D3 and D2 makes me think she's prolonging this conflict between you and Elephant. This conflict should have resolved a long time ago.

when should have it been resolved do you think? it wasn't happening on d2 for sure lol. i wish it was resolved on d3 because we lost the tracker over me, and i didn't self-preserve because of my own reasons for think ty4on could've been town mechanically and generally.

it doesn't feel like nutella is avoiding to resolve us for any particularly reason. here's a question: what does nutella's alignment mean for my own and for elephant's?

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:55 pm**

again, nutella, long con, creature, very strong town for me.

trustworthy liberal is my strongest mafia read. elephant could be mafia but don't take that to the bank based on my flip.

this is my last post for the day. gl.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:56 pm**

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:52 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:48 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:45 pm okay so i read hyena's thing about nutella flipping constantly between me or elephant being a wolf and uhhh...

why is it scum indicative?
Together with her ending up voting for neither of you both D3 and D2 makes me think she's prolonging this conflict between you and Elephant. This conflict should have resolved a long time ago.
when should have it been resolved do you think? it wasn't happening on d2 for sure lol. i wish it was resolved on d3 because we lost the tracker over me, and i didn't self-preserve because of my own reasons for think ty4on could've been town mechanically and generally.

it doesn't feel like nutella is avoiding to resolve us for any particularly reason. here's a question: what does nutella's alignment mean for my own and for elephant's?

I don't think Nutella can be with Elephant. Nutella can be acting independently, or with you. If she were to switch her vote to the counter wagon AGAIN, this would be the third time that her vote would be potentially preventing one of your or Elephant's lynch. Why don't you ask her why she didn't vote Elephant with you yesterday.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:57 pm**

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:52 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:48 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:45 pm okay so i read hyena's thing about nutella flipping constantly between me or elephant being a wolf and uhhh...

why is it scum indicative?
Together with her ending up voting for neither of you both D3 and D2 makes me think she's prolonging this conflict between you and Elephant. This conflict should have resolved a long time ago.
when should have it been resolved do you think? it wasn't happening on d2 for sure lol. i wish it was resolved on d3 because we lost the tracker over me, and i didn't self-preserve because of my own reasons for think ty4on could've been town mechanically and generally.

it doesn't feel like nutella is avoiding to resolve us for any particularly reason. here's a question: what does nutella's alignment mean for my own and for elephant's?

And yeah, it should have been resolved yesterday, 100%, but now we're here again.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:57 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:56 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:52 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:48 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:45 pm okay so i read hyena's thing about nutella flipping constantly between me or elephant being a wolf and uhhh...

why is it scum indicative?
Together with her ending up voting for neither of you both D3 and D2 makes me think she's prolonging this conflict between you and Elephant. This conflict should have resolved a long time ago.
when should have it been resolved do you think? it wasn't happening on d2 for sure lol. i wish it was resolved on d3 because we lost the tracker over me, and i didn't self-preserve because of my own reasons for think ty4on could've been town mechanically and generally.

it doesn't feel like nutella is avoiding to resolve us for any particularly reason. here's a question: what does nutella's alignment mean for my own and for elephant's?
I don't think Nutella can be with Elephant. Nutella can be acting independently, or with you. If she were to switch her vote to the counter wagon AGAIN, this would be the third time that her vote would be potentially preventing one of your or Elephant's lynch. Why don't you ask her why she didn't vote Elephant with you yesterday.

what's the point now? i'm dead.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:58 pm**

I'm here incase you need a vote

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:58 pm**

actually i'm going to ate more.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:58 pm**

Nevermind we're fucking mislynching anyway

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:59 pm**

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Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:59 pm**

There better be less than six scum alive

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:59 pm**

And some vig that actually does the job

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:00 pm**

Don't say I'm TMI

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:00 pm**

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:01 pm**

LOCKED

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