Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:22 am
The irony
Do you know what the worst argument to make in Mafia games is?risiinq- wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:36 am"i wolfread you"/"i think you are a wolf"
implies hk thinks he is a wolf and in most of the post he treats me as one
then, saying
"i can see how you argued yourself into that but i think it's wrong"
implies i'm town when in the rest of the post he was attacking my "wrongness" as me being wolfy?? it's just inconsistent and pinged me the moment i saw it, nothing more
your posts make my eyes glaze over and I've stopped reading them.santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:27 amOkay. First: You take a dichotomy read and just turn it to a W/V read with no room to change, completely ignoring one of the scenarios ris is thinking irt to their read. Wtf .hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:53 amSo when you say this:What you really mean is this:risiinq- wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:05 amno. i am hypothesizing a nook/hk dichotomysantygrass wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:59 pm @risiinq- sheep me. Its one in Jack/Hk 100% of the times, if not both
HK is a wolf
Nanook is town
Otherwise you'd have already thought of how your world view would look the other way around.
That's not a dichotomy that can be explored, that's a world you're presenting as "factual as far as you know" which isn't actually doing any solving.
As far as your POE goes I think at absolute best you've got 2 wolves in there, likely 1 at most, entirely possible that it's zero tbh.
I don't think Esooa/Mac can be paired in any world. If they are that was some fantastic theater and wolf chat has to be either salty as fuck or full of laughs.
Likewise if Nanook is a wolf I don't think he hitches his wagon to me and then cajoles Mac to join in. The main part of why I suspected nanook during D1 and into D2 until I stopped paying attention to his posts is that he's trying to use meta that isn't applicable here, and if it was Santy would have jumped on that and hammered it, so would have Jack. which also tells me that Jack and nanook aren't paired (knowingly).
If the team consists of multiples of jack, nanook, mac, esooa I would have been dead and buried D1, Ender would not have gone over. They have too much meta about my wolf game that they could have used.
In the world where you're a wolf you're calling your partner town.
In the world where you're town I think your weakest clears are lily and wigly and neon. All three of them are highly skilled wolves and the reasons you're clearing them are rather flimsy. They could have counted on me going over D1, shifted into a weird state where it was clear I wasn't going to be the D2 AND I was defending Mac, which could save me for the D3, which would explain why I ended with only nanook on my wagon.
I think nanook is a true believer in the HK is wolfing case, this does not feel manufactured any more. If it was I think he would have abandoned it by now, but here he is with his continuation vote and at that point he's just shitting the bed if he's wolfing. He's got next to no thread presence and/or credit, he can't really be useful to create cases and make pushes without relating them to me in some way. I'm his albatross if he's a wolf.
In conclusion I think you're either a wolf or you've got really bad clears up there, which tells me you're a wolf.
Soz
Even after nanook drops his big case, with discord screenshots, it wasn't enough to get me over. And those 4 know my town game is no slouch even after going on a bender of cussing.
I think your POE is bad, basically.
I see how you argued yourself into it, I just can't agree with it for the reasons I laid out above.
The you would have already talked or something is like, super bad faith also , cuz ris had expressed sus on nanook, vited them D1 and never retired the sus, but recognizes that you arent paired. If you were interested in ris solve and noticed that, what you should do is ask them about the other solve that you feel that they havent talked about. But you are trying to push a narrative in bad faith and sus them I feel like. Stop dping it if you are town please, and analyze ris. If yesterday is anything to go by, is that the sus on me without actually analysing me much was bad and there wasnt a lot of people trying to solve me, so try to not go to the same mistakes, maybe?
Then, talking about PoE. There are 2 wolves remaining . So I dont follow that statement. If a PoE you think can have 2 wolves, is good. Want to see your solve there assuming there are 0 wolves there tbh! @hollowkatt . Otherwise you wouldnt say its entirely possible. And Nook would be Villa in that scenario remember.
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @hollowkatt . Want to you guys talk about more about the 'Meta dont being applicable here part that hk mentions. Cuz I think Nanook statementes where accurate? Like, of them being relatively to each game and a good tell and stuff, so why they dont apply here...?
Also, elaborate on your Nook and Jack unpaired read?
Or like, why cant wolves be good with an Ender lynch D1 , to have you as lynch later cause the case on you looked worse? Feels like you are completely ignoring stuff to make an untrue point, or like, even if that is your POV, not caring of the POV of the lther slot could be different and talking it out
In conclussion I think you are either a wolf or you have really trouble trying to solve and make pushes in bad faith, which tells me you're a wolf.
Soz
What is your PoE hk. You had a bucket in which you thought there were 2 wolves in more likely, and one bigger wich prob 1 wolf. Since D2 and now today you have been voting in the second bucket, so maybe an update on your view on the game rn?
vote me then idgafsantygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:24 am Show post where ris is preflipping nook Villa to back up your argument of ris not believing in that dichotomy read
Want to you guys talk about more about the 'Meta dont being applicable here part that hk mentions. Cuz I think Nanook statementes where accurate? Like, of them being relatively to each game and a good tell and stuff, so why they dont apply here...?
If you quote it for me suresantygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:32 am @Neon can you reply to me what I quoted you about? Dont knwo if the clique simulator wss the reply, but if it was I want you to elaborate
tldrNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:27 am @hollowkatt here's the relevant part
Want to you guys talk about more about the 'Meta dont being applicable here part that hk mentions. Cuz I think Nanook statementes where accurate? Like, of them being relatively to each game and a good tell and stuff, so why they dont apply here...?
I've done enough, now it's up to yousantygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:29 am Talk to nook then hk
Idk. Try to so solme solving please and show me you are town
@Neon this bitsantygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:13 amOokay. So, what is your worldview of the game to think it is messy? I explained why I thought they were sr Esooa or why their vote at EoD en Esooa added up? How I vibed with them? Why they keep the sus on Nanook cause it was something I vibed too but then when I switched to tr nanook those post ris missed? Like wtf what is your gripe with ris Solve for it 'being messy'. Highlighting messy, as in, you find logical flaws in there, not something you disagree.Neon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:24 amLike your world view is a mess and makes no senserisiinq- wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:21 am ahem i see santy get angry at my wagon and i feel a bit chill-er now lol
sorry for my horrible start of day posts but really how everyone came in to read me was SO INFURIATING OMG YOU CANNOT IMAGINE
LIKE IDC
my eod was not horrible.
anyways, i dont wanna talk abt this topic more than needed but i think my start of day posts are warranted, and most are still logical
And I'm having a hard time with Santy who went from constantly attacking Macs towniness based on his world view to exclaiming Riisinq is clearly and obviously Villa with an also completely and utterly messy worldview that makes no sense.
What is your PoE. Readlist. What is your plan to solve this, whats your view on the game.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:30 amI've done enough, now it's up to yousantygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:29 am Talk to nook then hk
Idk. Try to so solme solving please and show me you are town
I haven't expected you to find me town since the middle of D1 when you suddenly decided I wasn't. Why should I bother trying to do that now?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:43 am Idk how you expect me to find you town off your responses lol
My point is how Mac gave their legacy list, with a mood of death.
Out of those in only confident in neon being townsantygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:52 amMy point is how Mac gave their legacy list, with a mood of death.
And when Neon/hk/jack came in thread , the three of them tring him, their mood swinged. Do you think all those three slots are town sabi?
Based
Who was this directed at?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:43 am Idk how you expect me to find you town off your responses lol
Most of my feelings have been said by other people and I'm watching the reaction to them.santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:44 am@Neon this bitsantygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:13 amOokay. So, what is your worldview of the game to think it is messy? I explained why I thought they were sr Esooa or why their vote at EoD en Esooa added up? How I vibed with them? Why they keep the sus on Nanook cause it was something I vibed too but then when I switched to tr nanook those post ris missed? Like wtf what is your gripe with ris Solve for it 'being messy'. Highlighting messy, as in, you find logical flaws in there, not something you disagree.Neon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:24 amLike your world view is a mess and makes no senserisiinq- wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:21 am ahem i see santy get angry at my wagon and i feel a bit chill-er now lol
sorry for my horrible start of day posts but really how everyone came in to read me was SO INFURIATING OMG YOU CANNOT IMAGINE
LIKE IDC
my eod was not horrible.
anyways, i dont wanna talk abt this topic more than needed but i think my start of day posts are warranted, and most are still logical
And I'm having a hard time with Santy who went from constantly attacking Macs towniness based on his world view to exclaiming Riisinq is clearly and obviously Villa with an also completely and utterly messy worldview that makes no sense.
i feel like you have done explicitly negative things all gamehollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:30 amI've done enough, now it's up to yousantygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:29 am Talk to nook then hk
Idk. Try to so solme solving please and show me you are town
hello wolf-thing
Beard-thing should know that Queek and old-thing are going to come back and if they are being bus-yeeted or not.santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:52 amMy point is how Mac gave their legacy list, with a mood of death.
And when Neon/hk/jack came in thread , the three of them tring him, their mood swinged. Do you think all those three slots are town sabi?
I'm voting for snowy, not you rat thing
HkNeon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:13 amWho was this directed at?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:43 am Idk how you expect me to find you town off your responses lol
Cat thing wants to by Queek's friend-pawn?
fine, what do you want from me?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:54 am If I don't find you I WILL get you over at some point, or ill get NKed and santy will get you over. Either way, if you're town it would be pretty good if I can find you here lol, all im asking for is like a minute or two of engagement, pretty reasonable imo
vote button is right up there. easy to find, last green button on the right. Names HKLilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:18 ami feel like you have done explicitly negative things all gamehollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:30 amI've done enough, now it's up to yousantygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:29 am Talk to nook then hk
Idk. Try to so solme solving please and show me you are town
you were even shielding mac
honestly u should do 2x more just to pay for ur sins if ur rly town
Uh I'm confused? Did you mean be your friend?
santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:18 pm Votecount asofrn
MacDougall (6) - Esooa, Drwilgz , santygrass, riisinq- , Porscha, sabiplz
Santygrass (3) - Jack, Hollowkatt, Macdougall
Neon (2) - Achromatic, Lilypetal
Hollowkatt (1) - Nanook
Riisinq- (1) - Neon
Yes-yes. That's what Queek said. Got warpstone in your ears, cat-thing?Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:31 amUh I'm confused? Did you mean be your friend?
YesJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:31 amYes-yes. That's what Queek said. Got warpstone in your ears, cat-thing?Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:31 amUh I'm confused? Did you mean be your friend?
Why does relative volume tell doesn't apply to this game?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:29 amfine, what do you want from me?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:54 am If I don't find you I WILL get you over at some point, or ill get NKed and santy will get you over. Either way, if you're town it would be pretty good if I can find you here lol, all im asking for is like a minute or two of engagement, pretty reasonable imo
*confused rat noises*santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:53 am Votecount asofrn
MacDougall (5) - Esooa, DrWilgy, santygrass, Achro, riisinq-
Santygrass (5) - Sabiplz, Jack, hollowkatt, Neon, Porscha
Hollowkatt (3) - Nanook, Lilypetal, MacDougall
This is thing Queek only says when he is town-thing. But for beard-thing? Probably says it as wolf-thing about town-thing only.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:28 amthere are legit so many reasons