The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:59 pm what makes you think wilgy 3p

His frustration at being scum read feels like it's coming from a genuine place, but there's still something that doesn't make me thing "town".

Also the eod marcher stuff was twtbw tbh.

I feel like wilgy isn't acting with someone in mind specifically

i should probably look through cayvie's iso

all i remember from her are like catchup posts with fairly standard takes on everything, don't remember anything standing out at all

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:01 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:59 pm what makes you think wilgy 3p

His frustration at being scum read feels like it's coming from a genuine place, but there's still something that doesn't make me thing "town".

Also the eod marcher stuff was twtbw tbh.

I feel like wilgy isn't acting with someone in mind specifically

I see

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:00 pm

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i really think this is dunya's scum game tbh.





but last time i thought that i was wrong.

Why am I wolf? Last time you wouldn't even tell me.

I'm not but I'm willing to talk it out this time at least

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:01 pm i should probably look through cayvie's iso

all i remember from her are like catchup posts with fairly standard takes on everything, don't remember anything standing out at all

Read the stretch me and her were real timing, July 4 about 5am eastern (2am your time I think?)

She read very well then imo that’s why I’m soft clearing her

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:02 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:00 pm

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i really think this is dunya's scum game tbh.





but last time i thought that i was wrong.

Why am I wolf? Last time you wouldn't even tell me.

I'm not but I'm willing to talk it out this time at least

as usual I don't really know how to articulate it but that reads post you just gave is one of several that just feels kinda fake/manufactured to me

and it feels like you've pocketed sloonei

/or you're w/w with him but prob not

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:03 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:01 pm i should probably look through cayvie's iso

all i remember from her are like catchup posts with fairly standard takes on everything, don't remember anything standing out at all

Read the stretch me and her were real timing, July 4 about 5am eastern (2am your time I think?)

She read very well then imo that’s why I’m soft clearing her

iirc that was mostly off topic but i'll look again

You're just running around calling everyone wolves now.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:05 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:03 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:01 pm i should probably look through cayvie's iso

all i remember from her are like catchup posts with fairly standard takes on everything, don't remember anything standing out at all

Read the stretch me and her were real timing, July 4 about 5am eastern (2am your time I think?)

She read very well then imo that’s why I’m soft clearing her

iirc that was mostly off topic but i'll look again

Most of it was yeah

Off topic often easier to read people on than “game relevant”

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:04 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:02 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:00 pm

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i really think this is dunya's scum game tbh.





but last time i thought that i was wrong.

Why am I wolf? Last time you wouldn't even tell me.

I'm not but I'm willing to talk it out this time at least

as usual I don't really know how to articulate it but that reads post you just gave is one of several that just feels kinda fake/manufactured to me

and it feels like you've pocketed sloonei

Maybe check the last game when you said that to me and see if you spot the similarities

Nanook you potato head. You've "read" stuff wtf I'm impressed

Happy birthday Tony Stark Prime!

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:08 pm Nanook you potato head. You've "read" stuff wtf I'm impressed

I have lots of reads I just dunno how useful they are yet lmao

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:06 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:05 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:03 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:01 pm i should probably look through cayvie's iso

all i remember from her are like catchup posts with fairly standard takes on everything, don't remember anything standing out at all

Read the stretch me and her were real timing, July 4 about 5am eastern (2am your time I think?)

She read very well then imo that’s why I’m soft clearing her

iirc that was mostly off topic but i'll look again

Most of it was yeah

Off topic often easier to read people on than “game relevant”

Lock town on nanook

For example motobot is now cleared imo

motobot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:08 pm Happy birthday Tony Stark Prime!

At least we didn't miselim him!

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:09 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:06 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:05 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:03 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:01 pm i should probably look through cayvie's iso

all i remember from her are like catchup posts with fairly standard takes on everything, don't remember anything standing out at all

Read the stretch me and her were real timing, July 4 about 5am eastern (2am your time I think?)

She read very well then imo that’s why I’m soft clearing her

iirc that was mostly off topic but i'll look again

Most of it was yeah

Off topic often easier to read people on than “game relevant”

Lock town on nanook

I mean uh

I do broadly believe this is true idk that it’s AI for me to say so lol

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:50 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:47 pm i just like. actually didn't realize day was ending already and that his wagon had gotten so big

Fair. On my phone I didn't see how big the TSP wagon got either fwiw.

Surprised sloonei is there tbh

I decided to just follow bronana. I’m not super confident in my reads and he seems closest to having the game figured out.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:23 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:50 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:47 pm i just like. actually didn't realize day was ending already and that his wagon had gotten so big

Fair. On my phone I didn't see how big the TSP wagon got either fwiw.

Surprised sloonei is there tbh

I decided to just follow bronana. I’m not super confident in my reads and he seems closest to having the game figured out.

Wrong follow bro.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:54 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:54 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:53 pm Ok if you guys aren’t too busy bitching and want to collaborate let’s do it up, I think there’s a solid 5-6 person towncore to be formed

Or you can keep complaining about nobody wanting to work together instead, idc

me/you/zack/lissa/visor/carot

Yeah sorry you’re not in my towncore or who I was talking to lol

Carot isn’t either

Nutella is locktown.

Several people have commented that they disagree with my analysis of dunya/marcher.

Zero people have talked about why they disagree.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:22 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:54 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:54 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:53 pm Ok if you guys aren’t too busy bitching and want to collaborate let’s do it up, I think there’s a solid 5-6 person towncore to be formed

Or you can keep complaining about nobody wanting to work together instead, idc

me/you/zack/lissa/visor/carot

Yeah sorry you’re not in my towncore or who I was talking to lol

Carot isn’t either

Nutella is locktown.

....ok, I guess

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:22 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:54 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:54 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:53 pm Ok if you guys aren’t too busy bitching and want to collaborate let’s do it up, I think there’s a solid 5-6 person towncore to be formed

Or you can keep complaining about nobody wanting to work together instead, idc

me/you/zack/lissa/visor/carot

Yeah sorry you’re not in my towncore or who I was talking to lol

Carot isn’t either

Nutella is locktown.

....ok, I guess

I’m glad we could reach this agreement.

I feel like I’m missing something but ok

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:30 pm I feel like I’m missing something but ok

Aside from her verifiable role, I’ve never seen nutella have an outburst like tonight’s after defenestration result.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:26 pm Several people have commented that they disagree with my analysis of dunya/marcher.

Zero people have talked about why they disagree.

Really? I only remember Lissa disagreeing.

I don't really disagree with your analysis there, I am still just about her anyway.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:26 pm Several people have commented that they disagree with my analysis of dunya/marcher.

Zero people have talked about why they disagree.

I just don't see why you think they aren't teammate interactions

It's not like you gave much of an explanation for that view either

I simply have the opposite reaction

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:26 pm Several people have commented that they disagree with my analysis of dunya/marcher.

Zero people have talked about why they disagree.

nutella wants the glory of catching wolf dunya one day

bronana at least seems like a healthy dose of townie paranoia

moth is omgussing me and a 100 others --- hmmmm moth could be another 3p candidate with how he's playing like idgaf

But also it's night 4 and no evidence of 3p which is unusual in an epi game.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:51 pm i'm sorry i feel like i'm letting town down in this game


i was sad at the posts about town not cooperating, i trust zack/visor/lissa enough to want to work with them but i just haven't made it happen and i'm sorry

well i'm probably partially to blame, sorry

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] I dunno if you were being ironic, but why is moto locktown?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:12 pmA civilian role includes the following text:

You are a Civilian Exile. You attain victory by banishing all Mafia Exiles. If at any point the combined voting strength of the Mafia Exiles is greater than the combined voting strength of the Civilian Exiles, the Mafia Exiles attain victory.

doesn't mention 3P at all

if there are 3P, their victory condition apparently does not conflict with either the Civilian or Mafia victory condition.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:07 am

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Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:47 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:23 am but you were obviously saved twice now, so i'm just thinking "logically" because apparently that's what all the cool cats do nowadays and i'm old fashioned because i don't follow that.

moth can take a scum lean too. he intentionally left his vote on someone who doesn't matter in day 2 and that's bad. he should have took a stance and weighed in. there's no way a townie only has 1 scum read in a game with 20+ players.

Why aren’t you talking about me here? Like I’ve been a wagon at both eods and have dodged the elimination both times. You’ve already been suspicious of me and voted me before? Where’s your read at right now?

I don't think this is partners.

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Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:03 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:48 pm

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:33 pm Dunya is a few things. Like her early posts on d1 felt a bit dunya.exe (though that might be just a multitabling thing) and her sheep onto radishes and eod in general feels kinda ehhhh. d2 feels fine and actually feels good vibes but I know she's a good player and has nothing really clearing her and stepping between a tvt tunnel and saying "I think you're both town" is a classic move for cred

what does dunya.exe mean?

how do you know these things about me?

Didn't you have the highest winrate in the site for a bit?

Dunya.exe meant like sorta falling back onto basic playing mafia stuff. Like look at this conflict. eval this thing and say results. eval that thing and say results. say input into this conflict. dump reads here. without having the sort of typical random tangents and little pokings.

Okay yeah this is not partners.

Like....... ??????????


I can very easily see these as teammate interactions, I have no idea where your confidence comes from

Lisa thimks im wolf?

I missed that. Move her down my rainbow then

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:07 am

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Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:47 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:23 am but you were obviously saved twice now, so i'm just thinking "logically" because apparently that's what all the cool cats do nowadays and i'm old fashioned because i don't follow that.

moth can take a scum lean too. he intentionally left his vote on someone who doesn't matter in day 2 and that's bad. he should have took a stance and weighed in. there's no way a townie only has 1 scum read in a game with 20+ players.

Why aren’t you talking about me here? Like I’ve been a wagon at both eods and have dodged the elimination both times. You’ve already been suspicious of me and voted me before? Where’s your read at right now?

I don't think this is partners.

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Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:03 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:48 pm

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:33 pm Dunya is a few things. Like her early posts on d1 felt a bit dunya.exe (though that might be just a multitabling thing) and her sheep onto radishes and eod in general feels kinda ehhhh. d2 feels fine and actually feels good vibes but I know she's a good player and has nothing really clearing her and stepping between a tvt tunnel and saying "I think you're both town" is a classic move for cred

what does dunya.exe mean?

how do you know these things about me?

Didn't you have the highest winrate in the site for a bit?

Dunya.exe meant like sorta falling back onto basic playing mafia stuff. Like look at this conflict. eval this thing and say results. eval that thing and say results. say input into this conflict. dump reads here. without having the sort of typical random tangents and little pokings.

Okay yeah this is not partners.

Like....... ??????????


I can very easily see these as teammate interactions, I have no idea where your confidence comes from

Really?

Try to think I'm town for 1 phase please. Get out of that dunya tunnel, jeez.

bronana wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:36 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:12 pmA civilian role includes the following text:

You are a Civilian Exile. You attain victory by banishing all Mafia Exiles. If at any point the combined voting strength of the Mafia Exiles is greater than the combined voting strength of the Civilian Exiles, the Mafia Exiles attain victory.

doesn't mention 3P at all

if there are 3P, their victory condition apparently does not conflict with either the Civilian or Mafia victory condition.

Oh good catch. Maybe there just aren't any.

Btw, I'm kinda reassessing my Mac read.

After remembering how epi said claiming is probably not in our best interest...it makes sense?

Still think LC is bad tho.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:31 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:30 pm I feel like I’m missing something but ok

Aside from her verifiable role, I’ve never seen nutella have an outburst like tonight’s after defenestration result.

Her role is meaningless as far as alignment is concerned imo

As far as the reaction I mean like

Idk it seemed kinda not great to me to be like “how could you guys kill tony who I was definitely going to hard defend but never actually did”

Like it doesn’t seem like an AI thing to me but if you say it is then ok

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:32 pm Bronana is doing the gods work. I am in safe hands.

how this post felt to me:

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:32 pm

Bronana is doing the gods work. I am in safe hands.

It was really not ironic and genuine.

Why am I read evil?

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] how do u feel about Carot now after her claim, knowing she didn't "see you visit tutuu"

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:34 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I dunno if you were being ironic, but why is moto locktown?

Birthday joke

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:40 pm It was really not ironic and genuine.

Why am I read evil?

i just get paranoid, dont take it personally lol

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:07 am

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Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:47 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:23 am but you were obviously saved twice now, so i'm just thinking "logically" because apparently that's what all the cool cats do nowadays and i'm old fashioned because i don't follow that.

moth can take a scum lean too. he intentionally left his vote on someone who doesn't matter in day 2 and that's bad. he should have took a stance and weighed in. there's no way a townie only has 1 scum read in a game with 20+ players.

Why aren’t you talking about me here? Like I’ve been a wagon at both eods and have dodged the elimination both times. You’ve already been suspicious of me and voted me before? Where’s your read at right now?

I don't think this is partners.

Spoiler: show

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:03 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:48 pm

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:33 pm Dunya is a few things. Like her early posts on d1 felt a bit dunya.exe (though that might be just a multitabling thing) and her sheep onto radishes and eod in general feels kinda ehhhh. d2 feels fine and actually feels good vibes but I know she's a good player and has nothing really clearing her and stepping between a tvt tunnel and saying "I think you're both town" is a classic move for cred

what does dunya.exe mean?

how do you know these things about me?

Didn't you have the highest winrate in the site for a bit?

Dunya.exe meant like sorta falling back onto basic playing mafia stuff. Like look at this conflict. eval this thing and say results. eval that thing and say results. say input into this conflict. dump reads here. without having the sort of typical random tangents and little pokings.

Okay yeah this is not partners.

Like....... ??????????


I can very easily see these as teammate interactions, I have no idea where your confidence comes from

it seems kinda unlikely to me, but I wouldn't say it's impossible or anything

I'm an enlightened centrist on this issue.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:42 pm @Sloonei how do u feel about Carot now after her claim, knowing she didn't "see you visit tutuu"

Idk. I haven’t read/wrapped my head around everything that happened at eod. I just got home from work.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:31 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:30 pm I feel like I’m missing something but ok

Aside from her verifiable role, I’ve never seen nutella have an outburst like tonight’s after defenestration result.

Her role is meaningless as far as alignment is concerned imo

As far as the reaction I mean like

Idk it seemed kinda not great to me to be like “how could you guys kill tony who I was definitely going to hard defend but never actually did”

Like it doesn’t seem like an AI thing to me but if you say it is then ok

Have you seen a mafia role that removes townies from lynch poll and buffs up their stats?

If u have pls link me, I'd love to omguss nutella here.

Despite the apparent tenseness in the thread immediately following Tony’s flip, I still feel like we are well positioned here. We have a good pool of suspects and plenty of evidence to sift through RE: Marcher, and it does feel like something like a town core is starting to emerge. We just need to work on coordinating and reaching a consensus of sorts. It feels like we just need one or two more pieces to fall into place.

My weekend full of work is over, so I should actually have time to digest this thread in the coming days.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:54 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:31 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:30 pm I feel like I’m missing something but ok

Aside from her verifiable role, I’ve never seen nutella have an outburst like tonight’s after defenestration result.

Her role is meaningless as far as alignment is concerned imo

As far as the reaction I mean like

Idk it seemed kinda not great to me to be like “how could you guys kill tony who I was definitely going to hard defend but never actually did”

Like it doesn’t seem like an AI thing to me but if you say it is then ok

Have you seen a mafia role that removes townies from lynch poll and buffs up their stats?

If u have pls link me, I'd love to omguss nutella here.

I haven’t seen a town role that does it either, that’s why it’s

NAI

Offer a towncore collaboration to bronana and visor and neither of them are here to take me up on it, feelssadman

I’m going to sleep, still waiting on someone to explain to me why wilgy is town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:55 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:54 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:31 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:30 pm I feel like I’m missing something but ok

Aside from her verifiable role, I’ve never seen nutella have an outburst like tonight’s after defenestration result.

Her role is meaningless as far as alignment is concerned imo

As far as the reaction I mean like

Idk it seemed kinda not great to me to be like “how could you guys kill tony who I was definitely going to hard defend but never actually did”

Like it doesn’t seem like an AI thing to me but if you say it is then ok

Have you seen a mafia role that removes townies from lynch poll and buffs up their stats?

If u have pls link me, I'd love to omguss nutella here.

I haven’t seen a town role that does it either, that’s why it’s

NAI

I don't think just cos you haven't seen it immediately makes it nai. We can make assumptions in a game of mafia and use probability.

Likelihood of her role being mafia in a non-bastard epi game = very slim