Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:20 am
You jumped on me like wolves on a deer folks 

No one said, you were the one telling you are clear, you explain
GOC flashbacks
That is not a mechanical question, that's role fishingStrawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:22 amWhat do you call this then?
Maybe. I don't remember much about shadow corridors and fallout mafia.Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:22 amBut you played with Ted?
i’m not jumping on you. i think you’re a villager. i’m just trying to understand why you v read ted and see if we can’t bridge the gap in our reads because i value your input. you’re making communicating with you impossible though
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:53 am Sloonei talk to me about Bo, who I think we're volume clearing but also occupies a weird thread position
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:00 am do we just assume that's out of his range as a wolf? It'd be out of a lot of people's ranges. Jay likes to make charts when he's a wolf though so idk. Most people aren't jay.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:01 amwolfy pie chartsBoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:13 pmAn Analysis of Marmot's MentionsEarlier today I finished my analytics course so I thought it would be nice to do something analytically to celebrate. This is a basic breakdown of Marmot's posts and how he mentioned every single one of us. I went through Marmot's ISO and counted the number of times he quoted someone, and mentioned someone in one of his posts. I then categorized every single one of Martin's mentions into three categories; Null, Town, and Scum.
I categorized something a "Town" post/mention when Marmot labelled you as a town-read/lean, defended you, or gave you props for one of your posts.
I categorized something a "Scum" post/mention when Marmot scum read you, disliked what you were saying, or voted for you.
Null is everything else
It is important to keep in mind that the data doesn't fully account for sarcasm and tone. If Marmot said "I think BoKnows is scum for posting twice in a row", I would count that as a scum post. These numbers also do not show the progression of Marmots reads. These are just raw numbers that will visualize Marmot's interactions. In my opinion, these graphs will be best paired with all the analyses Jay already did.
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*Disclaimer: if you can't find a certain player all of their posts were considered null► Show Spoiler
None of this progression on Bo makes sense. TSP calls the pie charts wolfy, but the pie charts have interesting data on Ted implicating him as a possible scum teammate of Marmot's....TSP has his vote on Ted & has him as a high scum read, so what's wolfy about the charts to TSP?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:28 am I think Bo is probably town for making graphs if we can get back to that conversation. He's pretty high on the list
i can’tMichelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:21 amNo one said, you were the one telling you are clear, you explain
I don't even try, to convince you, you have big scum equity fmpovStrawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:27 amYou're not doing a very good job convincing us to do otherwise.
I'll go with my reads here michMichelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:15 amAl vote Nanook with meAL_sama wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:14 amwhat makes you lock alison as town?? her play??Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:04 amalison is lock clear. she can do what she wants
who do you want to kill today?
ted as I think he is scum and his flip will provide good info
I'll agree that, 'No guys, just vote for this other person, come on,' is not trying.Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:29 amI don't even try, to convince you, you have big scum equity fmpovStrawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:27 amYou're not doing a very good job convincing us to do otherwise.
Quality posting from a town mindset right hereTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:14 am it was more than two paragraphs so I kinda glossed over it and then I played tetris instead
It's hard to tell if he's joking or being serious with most of his posting lately
similar in what way?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:30 am Michelle is playing incredibly similar to how she did in GoC. I still think she is a villager
I don't like few things in mafia, and one is unnecessary aggresivity. I said I will not expand on meta, and 3 people wanted details about what i said i don't want to talk about, and all your speculations put a pressure on your town read. Why are you doing this?
why?Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:29 amI don't even try, to convince you, you have big scum equity fmpovStrawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:27 amYou're not doing a very good job convincing us to do otherwise.
this is a reach. that post is entirely NAIfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:32 amQuality posting from a town mindset right hereTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:14 am it was more than two paragraphs so I kinda glossed over it and then I played tetris instead
welcome to tonyfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:34 amIt's hard to tell if he's joking or being serious with most of his posting lately
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:32 amQuality posting from a town mindset right hereTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:14 am it was more than two paragraphs so I kinda glossed over it and then I played tetris instead
not liking this postHally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:16 amalison’s play + claimed role ~never comes from a wolf imoAL_sama wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:14 amwhat makes you lock alison as town?? her play??Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:04 amalison is lock clear. she can do what she wants
who do you want to kill today?
ted as I think he is scum and his flip will provide good info
Michelle was tunnelled on tutuu all game despite having multiple different mech pieces of information clearing her as town. Her post attacking you just gave me that same goosebumps and deja vuHally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:34 amsimilar in what way?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:30 am Michelle is playing incredibly similar to how she did in GoC. I still think she is a villager
because i value your reads and insight so i want to understand where you’re coming from. no one is being aggressive with you. i don’t think anyone has even suspected you in this entire interaction. we just want to understand. if you don’t want to explain i can’t force you though. but it would help us outMichelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:34 amI don't like few things in mafia, and one is unnecessary aggresivity. I said I will not expand on meta, and 3 people wanted details about what i said i don't want to talk about, and all your speculations put a pressure on your town read. Why are you doing this?
what makes you say that?AL_sama wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:37 amnot liking this postHally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:16 amalison’s play + claimed role ~never comes from a wolf imoAL_sama wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:14 amwhat makes you lock alison as town?? her play??Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:04 amalison is lock clear. she can do what she wants
who do you want to kill today?
ted as I think he is scum and his flip will provide good info
from what I've seen so far in this game this kinda thing should be pretty easy for her to do
was she a villager or a wolf in GoC?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:37 amMichelle was tunnelled on tutuu all game despite having multiple different mech pieces of information clearing her as town. Her post attacking you just gave me that same goosebumps and deja vuHally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:34 amsimilar in what way?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:30 am Michelle is playing incredibly similar to how she did in GoC. I still think she is a villager
I want a wagon on a player. We are far from Eod.Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:31 amI'll agree that, 'No guys, just vote for this other person, come on,' is not trying.Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:29 amI don't even try, to convince you, you have big scum equity fmpovStrawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:27 amYou're not doing a very good job convincing us to do otherwise.![]()
I'm not sure what 'scum equity' means, but if you're saying I'm scummy for wanting better reasons to chop someone, then I guess I'm scummy.![]()
VillagerHally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:39 amwas she a villager or a wolf in GoC?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:37 amMichelle was tunnelled on tutuu all game despite having multiple different mech pieces of information clearing her as town. Her post attacking you just gave me that same goosebumps and deja vuHally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:34 amsimilar in what way?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:30 am Michelle is playing incredibly similar to how she did in GoC. I still think she is a villager
ah okay, for some reason i thought she was a wolf in that game. well then i agree with your read. she’s probably a villagerJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:40 amVillagerHally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:39 amwas she a villager or a wolf in GoC?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:37 amMichelle was tunnelled on tutuu all game despite having multiple different mech pieces of information clearing her as town. Her post attacking you just gave me that same goosebumps and deja vuHally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:34 amsimilar in what way?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:30 am Michelle is playing incredibly similar to how she did in GoC. I still think she is a villager
I never said I didn't want to go there. I'm open to going there, but I need a reason to go there over where I'm currently going.Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:40 amI want a wagon on a player. We are far from Eod.Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:31 amI'll agree that, 'No guys, just vote for this other person, come on,' is not trying.Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:29 amI don't even try, to convince you, you have big scum equity fmpovStrawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:27 amYou're not doing a very good job convincing us to do otherwise.![]()
I'm not sure what 'scum equity' means, but if you're saying I'm scummy for wanting better reasons to chop someone, then I guess I'm scummy.![]()
But
You don't want to go there, at all.
That means you are
1 possible really scum reading Ted
2 mafia with Nanook
My mind goes to the second version
say what??Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:38 amwhat makes you say that?AL_sama wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:37 amnot liking this postHally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:16 amalison’s play + claimed role ~never comes from a wolf imoAL_sama wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:14 amwhat makes you lock alison as town?? her play??Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:04 amalison is lock clear. she can do what she wants
who do you want to kill today?
ted as I think he is scum and his flip will provide good info
from what I've seen so far in this game this kinda thing should be pretty easy for her to do
Prior to this TSP had his "BK scummy, BK maybe not scummy? Piecharts are wolfy, link me his scum games, BK prolly town" progression....TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:00 amthe difference between tier 3 and tier 4 is not particuarly well thought out. I think Nanook is playing slightly in his town profile more here, especially in a multiball game. I generally expect mafia nanook to try to keep a hand on the wheel a bit more, and in a multiball game I think I'd expect that even more. As I don't see that, that's enough to raise him above a fair amount of the crowd. I just read Mac's iso and he said that he thought Bo was polarising or something. IDK. He's probably town. I would have had him in tier 4 before. SPF is at the top of tier 3 but I consider tier 1 and 2 to be what would colloquially be towncore (frankly I don't get all the reads there but okay) and SPF hasn't done enough to justify this assertion. I have done next to zero work on finger and honestly can't keep them and straw straight but my general impression is they fit on either team decently (I'm leaning towards not marmot though). Could be tier 3 but probably not higher than LC at least. I've thought about teams a bit but seeing as we have no information on one it's not a top priority. But people who I think are cleared from being teamed with marmot get boosts.Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:54 amLet's talk about these tiers. Why are spf and bo stuck in ehhhh? A few minutes ago you said bo was probably town. SPF is a popular town read.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:43 am tier 3: ehhhh
spf
jpic
nanook
bk
lc
Michelle
tier 4:
finger
kza
al
ted
unr: dom (but I think more likely wolf for reasons)
Why is nanook in tier 3 rather than tier 4? Why is fingersplints in tier 4 rather than tier 3? Why is Dom "more likely wolf"?
And lastly, have you given any consideration to how any of these folks would fit on either of the hypothetical teams?
what makes you say “from what I've seen so far in this game this kinda thing should be pretty easy for her to do”?AL_sama wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:42 amsay what??Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:38 amwhat makes you say that?AL_sama wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:37 amnot liking this postHally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:16 amalison’s play + claimed role ~never comes from a wolf imo
from what I've seen so far in this game this kinda thing should be pretty easy for her to do
our good friend @Sloonei would tell us that hypocrisy is a staple of the civilian playbookfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:42 amPrior to this TSP had his "BK scummy, BK maybe not scummy? Piecharts are wolfy, link me his scum games, BK prolly town" progression....TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:00 amthe difference between tier 3 and tier 4 is not particuarly well thought out. I think Nanook is playing slightly in his town profile more here, especially in a multiball game. I generally expect mafia nanook to try to keep a hand on the wheel a bit more, and in a multiball game I think I'd expect that even more. As I don't see that, that's enough to raise him above a fair amount of the crowd. I just read Mac's iso and he said that he thought Bo was polarising or something. IDK. He's probably town. I would have had him in tier 4 before. SPF is at the top of tier 3 but I consider tier 1 and 2 to be what would colloquially be towncore (frankly I don't get all the reads there but okay) and SPF hasn't done enough to justify this assertion. I have done next to zero work on finger and honestly can't keep them and straw straight but my general impression is they fit on either team decently (I'm leaning towards not marmot though). Could be tier 3 but probably not higher than LC at least. I've thought about teams a bit but seeing as we have no information on one it's not a top priority. But people who I think are cleared from being teamed with marmot get boosts.Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:54 amLet's talk about these tiers. Why are spf and bo stuck in ehhhh? A few minutes ago you said bo was probably town. SPF is a popular town read.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:43 am tier 3: ehhhh
spf
jpic
nanook
bk
lc
Michelle
tier 4:
finger
kza
al
ted
unr: dom (but I think more likely wolf for reasons)
Why is nanook in tier 3 rather than tier 4? Why is fingersplints in tier 4 rather than tier 3? Why is Dom "more likely wolf"?
And lastly, have you given any consideration to how any of these folks would fit on either of the hypothetical teams?
Which moved BK to "ehhhhhhh" status, not particularly well thought out difference between Tier 3 or 4, and some stuff about Mac's ISO saying Bo was polarizing, woulda been Tier 4.
How can BK be towny, but also be "ehhhhhhh, he's almost Tier 4"? It doesn't make sense from a towny perspective.
Why don't you talk for yourself, why are you using we? Do you know others alignament?Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:38 ambecause i value your reads and insight so i want to understand where you’re coming from. no one is being aggressive with you. i don’t think anyone has even suspected you in this entire interaction. we just want to understand. if you don’t want to explain i can’t force you though. but it would help us outMichelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:34 amI don't like few things in mafia, and one is unnecessary aggresivity. I said I will not expand on meta, and 3 people wanted details about what i said i don't want to talk about, and all your speculations put a pressure on your town read. Why are you doing this?
There are 2 scum teams. I'm happy with a Ted or TSP lynch.Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:36 amfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:32 amQuality posting from a town mindset right hereTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:14 am it was more than two paragraphs so I kinda glossed over it and then I played tetris instead![]()
Disagree. If he's town and getting pushed hard, I think he'd be taking it a bit more seriously. But perhaps you have a meta on him? I think those kind of posts are AI, but feel free to disagree. The tone of that post isn't that far off several of Marmot'sHally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:35 amthis is a reach. that post is entirely NAIfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:32 amQuality posting from a town mindset right hereTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:14 am it was more than two paragraphs so I kinda glossed over it and then I played tetris instead
never mindMichelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:45 amWhy don't you talk for yourself, why are you using we? Do you know others alignament?Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:38 ambecause i value your reads and insight so i want to understand where you’re coming from. no one is being aggressive with you. i don’t think anyone has even suspected you in this entire interaction. we just want to understand. if you don’t want to explain i can’t force you though. but it would help us outMichelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:34 amI don't like few things in mafia, and one is unnecessary aggresivity. I said I will not expand on meta, and 3 people wanted details about what i said i don't want to talk about, and all your speculations put a pressure on your town read. Why are you doing this?
'We want to understand' is a curious way of talking for a villager. Villagers are lonely scum hunters.
I see, it's understandablefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:45 amThere are 2 scum teams. I'm happy with a Ted or TSP lynch.Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:36 amfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:32 amQuality posting from a town mindset right hereTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:14 am it was more than two paragraphs so I kinda glossed over it and then I played tetris instead![]()