The Syndicate

@Alison it seems like you understand why chop is probably town, why are you voting there?

I feel like we've been chopping lowposters every day and there are still so so many
such garbage

martin putting Poison in his scum pile REEKS of distancing tbqh

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:13 am @Alison it seems like you understand why chop is probably town, why are you voting there?

Because I've mentally checked out of the day and forgot to shift.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:19 am martin putting Poison in his scum pile REEKS of distancing tbqh

Martin is definitely town.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:23 am

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:19 am martin putting Poison in his scum pile REEKS of distancing tbqh

Martin is definitely town.

I know your read is meta based but I still think you're wrong.

I got awhile to catch up but what’s the case on Mac and Tony?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:40 am I got awhile to catch up but what’s the case on Mac and Tony?

I mean do you really need to ask about Tony?
It’s self explanatory.

@Jackofhearts2005
What’s your read on Poison?

ChopChop wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:49 am @Jackofhearts2005
What’s your read on Poison?

Felt townie to me but it’s just a feeling I got from ~5 posts of theirs in a short timeframe.

Made wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:08 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:05 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:04 pm Off the top, is Urist a Martin type player? like super agro super focused?

If you think I'm super agro super focused then you clearly don't know either my town or scum meta.

In SC and Bastard you were an arrow when it came to your reads on me, I'm getting the same lack of anything else from Urist. given he really want me to claim, but like there's other things happening in thread right now. Have we done Isos of Essoa yet?

Made wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:20 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:19 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:08 pm In SC and Bastard you were an arrow when it came to your reads on me

...............Okay.

After re-reading the ISO's of myself in the games you mentioned

Maybe I am a "bit more aggro" but I would argue the idea of me being "super aggro" is biased from your perception of me tunneling on you in recent games

I've actually fixed that recently but I can't really show where atm.

where is your head at? Do you have any takes on Chopchop?

@Urist, I found these posts from Made to be a good look for Martin. Particularly the first one.

according to martin we shouldn't be looking at interactions with made on d3 so i'm sorry but i cannot read those

lol

I'll admit, going back and reading Martin's handling of Urist does look pretty shady.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:54 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:52 pm my interactions with doom / made kind of confirm me as nonclave though

I'm not sure?

D3 I'm basically ignoring for either side because I did accuse you early on and therefore Made could have moved to spew you either way depending on your alignment.

Besides, saying something like "we get it you're claiming councilman Westin" (which is an interaction I recall off the top of my head) sounds more facilitating their fake-claim rather than any significant non-partnership evidence.

The intent I'm gathering from this post is the Martin is ignoring Made's spew because Martin wants to scumread Urist, and he had his mind made up already.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:30 am @Marmot did you ever get aroubd to checking out Chop’s day 3 iso

No, was I supposed to?

I think I asked you to but maybe it was somebody else

I think it was you, you described how you would handle made if you were a wolf and I think you would find an example of that behavior there

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:40 am I got awhile to catch up but what’s the case on Mac and Tony?

Tony's out of meta and has in the past voted for chop
Mac's out of meta and has in the present voted for Tony (nagl)

Mac's also very much in meta so that part wouldn't be true

Here's Martin's contributions to the thread around the time when Omega slipped, claimed, or whatever she did. Urist, Dom, TSP, LC, Alison, and ChopChop all engaged with Omega and Nanook to varying degrees. Martin responded immediately to Omega, I think he was the first person to point out the lie. But he never followed up on it. He kind disappeared, then reappeared with a case on Urist.

This line in particular is exactly what Martin is doing here.

Reading through the madness that was the Nanook/Omega fight, Urist was interested in sorting it out. Martin did not appear interested in sorting it out.


Also, notice those last two posts. Martin's case came 6 minutes after he asked Urist for a read on Nanook. I don't think that wallpost took 6 minutes to write, especially considering the research that went into it. That suggests a couple things:

1) Martin was making this case while the Omega/Nanook shit was going down. Martin was aware it was happening, he even references it in his Urist wallpost. Again, Martin he didn't contribute to it.
2) Martin had his mind made up about Urist before he asked that question, and it reads to me like Martin was looking for an opportunity to shift attention away from Omega and onto someone who was pushing her.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:16 pm I think it was you, you described how you would handle made if you were a wolf and I think you would find an example of that behavior there

I read through the beginning of Day 3 again, and reading ChopChop's handling of Omega before she subbed out, I feel fine about him. He was persistent about it.

I'm voting Martin.

[VOTE: Martin] aubergine

Here's a list of players who have done enough townie things to make me not want to vote them today

Alison - she is presumed Slaver or New Reno
ChopChop - unrelenting attitude, confirmed ability (even though alignment isn't), handled Omega well
Jackofhearts2005 - flashes of contribution, seemed relaxed when Omega was outed,
Long Con - There are things I don't like, but I think his contributions around Made being yeeted look alright
MacDougall - before today, lazy town, today I feel better about him
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - CC'd Omega, his takes are reasonable, and I think a bit outside of his scumrange
Urist - buried Omega


Players I'm indifferent on

Dom
Grogu
TonyStarkPrime


That leaves the following list of people that I'd vote for today unless another good reason for someone else arises:

Epignosis
MartinGG99
Poison
Kylemii
Spacedaisy

Is anybody there?

unfortunately i actually have to do work today so i probably won't be posting much more today.

sorry wait

Why the hell did a Martin wagon start up?

Yeah, Martin seemed to come in today and project town so I don’t get it.

I posted a case not that long ago, y'all could read it or engage with it.

@Epignosis

Sell me on bad Tony computer boy

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:36 pm I posted a case not that long ago, y'all could read it or engage with it.

What, the furry animals?

IdkZ somewhat convincing.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:55 pm Here's a list of players who have done enough townie things to make me not want to vote them today

Alison - she is presumed Slaver or New Reno
ChopChop - unrelenting attitude, confirmed ability (even though alignment isn't), handled Omega well
Jackofhearts2005 - flashes of contribution, seemed relaxed when Omega was outed,
Long Con - There are things I don't like, but I think his contributions around Made being yeeted look alright
MacDougall - before today, lazy town, today I feel better about him
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - CC'd Omega, his takes are reasonable, and I think a bit outside of his scumrange
Urist - buried Omega


Players I'm indifferent on

Dom
Grogu
TonyStarkPrime


That leaves the following list of people that I'd vote for today unless another good reason for someone else arises:

Epignosis
MartinGG99
Poison
Kylemii
Spacedaisy

What did Mac do today to change your mind?

I agree with the rest of your town list.

(Wish I remember if I townread you in this game or not. Guess I’ll have to dig into you to remember, which is frustrating cause I had a confident town read on you in A game.)

Indifferent list I agree with. Slight reasons to believe Dom and Grogu are town.

(Oh wait there was that whole Mac and Grogu like caught Chop but oh wait no they didn’t thing.... Who went first there? Did that go nowhere? Mac/Grogu probably not w/w.)

I somewhat townread everyone on the bottom list, actually. Town Martin > Daisy > Epi > Poison > Kyle. I’d rather chop in that middle section or Mac.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:43 pm (Oh wait there was that whole Mac and Grogu like caught Chop but oh wait no they didn’t thing.... Who went first there? Did that go nowhere? Mac/Grogu probably not w/w.)

I'm slightly amazed that we set this aside but I think I know why but I just do not think it's as simple as that

jack why do you townread kyle

@sprityo can I interest you in reading chop's iso and determining that it's very wolfy

ChopChop wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:48 am @MartinGG99
Why did your SR on Tony go away?

Because his responses and posting afterwards and before I came back was rather well done and if I think he's still scum then I'm holding him to a higher standard than I think I should without prior experience with a high-activity scum TSP, if such a thing exists.

He also did VCA without much or any agenda, which I read generally as either town-indicative or he's specifically trying to pocket me but I doubt the pocketing part as he would have to have been playing rather well as scum. This isn't the only thing I TR'ed him for, but its one of the bigger things.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:55 am Daisy hasn't posted since d2 so

Potentually aligned with chop, prooooobably not with esooa. Idk this slot is incredibly hard to sort im just praying for an inactivity mod kill or a vig at this point

I'm surprised you don't read space daisy's interactions and handling with Chop on D2 as town-indicative.

Like, the only argument I could see it being wolfy is if they're w/w but I have a hard time seeing that as I've consistently found Chop Chop to be town and I have no doubts about that. The fact that a BoS hasn't died adds more to it.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:21 pm @sprityo can I interest you in reading chop's iso and determining that it's very wolfy

i told jay i would check in tomorrow to play but if i have time today i'll make that my first look

also while im gone, Mac wagon? what's that all about?

ChopChop wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:27 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:25 am But that's dependent on chop flipping red and I don't wanna preflip too much

Ok then me flip green.
Who looks bad?

Honestly Chop if I were a jerk and mimic you I would complain that you just perspective-slipped here.

Obviously though you mean "green" as town in general.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:34 pm also while im gone, Mac wagon? what's that all about?

I think it's an anti-anti reactionary movement

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:36 pm

ChopChop wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:27 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:25 am But that's dependent on chop flipping red and I don't wanna preflip too much

Ok then me flip green.
Who looks bad?

Honestly Chop if I were a jerk and mimic you I would complain that you just perspective-slipped here.

Obviously though you mean "green" as town in general.

clearly it's a signal