Mac ISO part 1
Mac ISO part 2:
I was in the middle of page 2 when I lost access to the thread before. Picking up from there.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:40 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:29 pm
Sorry it's the weekend and weekend is family time so I'm not gonna post much on the weekend. Weekend. Someone wanna give me cliffs?
you're gonna die
Why?
Because your biggest role in this game so far has been to cuddle tenderly with Jackofhearts2005.
That's a pretty shitty reason. Good luck if after this many pages we're lynching Mac based on not being productive. Things are different for me now. I can't dedicate hours per day to Mafia. If it takes mislynches to establish to my meta that low production doesn't equal scum so be it.
Jay starts holding Mac's feetses to the fire on Day 1 and Mac responds as one would expect him to. Tentative good look for Jay, but this level of distancing would absolutely not be beyond these two.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:41 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:40 pm
Mac's vote is... unexpected and transparently baddie.
I'm not gonna stick around so I'm voting where it's most likely to be self preservation.
I'm less familiar with Dom's scum game so I can't say with any confidence whether or not he'd make a post like this if he was mac's teammate. I'll go with no, but that's based on an opinion that exists outside this exercise. How dare I bring pre-existing reads into the objective world of isolated review?
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:45 pm
I'm going to ignore you. I don't need this negative bs.
Directed at Dom. I think epi's words were "If [these two] are teammates, I'll lose respect for them both." I see where that's coming from.
More of the same. I'm mostly willing to rule Dom out at this point. If they're teammates they staged an emotional feud that goes beyond the normal limits of distancing ploy. I don't see either of these players doing that.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:03 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:58 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:59 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:58 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:56 pm
Still think Tony is bad tbh. One of you freaks that’s always asking for more ISOs to do, go check him out
Any beefs beyond the off-wagon vote?
His exchange with you. I had the same thought about his reads list, wondering where those names came from.
I definitely called out the town ones as they went by and think I had said something about each of the scum ones
I don't even understand this
A driveby jab at Tony at a moment where Mac is at risk to be lynched. Okay. This is not necessarily shade, but it is at the very least a negatively-slanted comment. I can't do much wit this. At a moment like this (getting late in Day 2 with mounting votes against him), Mac will be caught between survival instincts, genuine hunting, and leaving a WIFOM trail. It does not appear that anything meaningful came out of this Tony post.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:34 am
Lol I feel like there are quite a few people who are just falling in love with the idea of catching me and not actually reading my play. Namely Dom, Nanook, Jack and now Nutella. Dom especially only really amped it up on me when I came back to thread live and a bunch of others (Jay, Nanook, Sloonei) all simultaneously started hounding me. It was too opportunistic and I do not trust.
I'm not really one who generally believes/trusts when people make self meta reads but if you've seen my GoC play, or really the vast majority of my mafia play, before (and I have been mafia in multiple), I can't see how you look at this game and think you're seeing the mafia version of Mac.
I'm not saying that I'm playing well or anything, quite the contrary, but mislynching me today would be a poor result. We should lynch someone who sucks more at Mafia ergo if they are mislynched would be no loss. Someone like Jay, Epi, or Sloonei.
Juicy. We've got a lot of names here. I have to acknowledge my disclaimer above about Macdougall's Many Drives at this moment, but there's still content here for me to digest.
Mac casts a general negative slant against several people for the way they are approaching the case against him. Those people are: Dom, Nanook2.0, Jack, and nutella2.0. He singles Dom out among them, which looks like a genuine effort to spin suspicion against Dom. Whether or not that suspicion is authentic is irrelevant to me; Mac's intent appears to be genuinely anti-Dom, and I'll say that that's the final straw I needed to rule Dom out as Mac's partner. The other names on this list are a head of lettuce. We know that nutella2.0 was town. He then lists Jay, nanook2.0, and myself as catalysts in the case against him. He's now mentioned nanook twice, in separate categories. Idk what that means, though I see room for overlap between the two so it might not be alarming. Jay and myself are also there. Hello. Then at the end he takes a jab at jay and myself again, along with Epi. Okay.
I'd be surprised if there are no teammates mentioned in this post (although maybe not, because mac is wild). Epignosis appears in the bottom paragraph without any meaningful content associated with him elsewhere in this post. Jay and I are lumped together almost as a unit (who would do that?) twice, without anything that amounts to a real read on either of us. In a vacuum I could see one of those other two being Mac's teammate based on their inclusion in this post without much substance attached. One could say the same about me, but I'm not here to analyze myself. Likewise for the initial list of bandwagoners (nutella, nanook, dom, jack), but we already know nutella was not on his team, and I'm comfortable ruling out Dom. I doubt it's Jack based on the way this game has unfolded. Mac's ghost pushed a case against nanook before the thread got ghostbusted, so that would be an odd teammate pairing, but I won't put it past them.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 am
Jack isn't town here. If there's one read you should come back to if/when I die it should be this one. I can best summarise it by saying that he feels like he is only half attempting to scum hunt when compared to his actual range. Which would be forgiveable if he wasn't also ever present. He is holding back. Actually this is probably explains why I've had suspicion on a range of other players too. Jay, Sloonei, S~V~S, TSP, Dyslexicon all fit the bill.
Jack was mentioned in the previous post but not explicitly suspected. This time he is. Odd. I'm inclined to say that if Mac and Jack are partners and they have a plan to distance from one another, Mac wouldn't be so clumsy as the
forget to do it in one post and then tack it on in another post three minutes later. He goes back to the buffet for a second serving of salad at the end: Jay, myself, SVS, Tony, Dyslexicon. Two posts in a row that Jay and I have appeared in. Tony is the only other living player in the mix here.
Interesting.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:40 am
I feel quite good about sig, sprityo, sabie, michelle, turbup. You should all climb into my pocket and defend me from the scallywags.
This is hurting my head. I'm not sick anymore, don't do this to me. After a salad of suspicion, Mac serves up another salad, this time of town reads: sig (lol), sprit, sabie (lol), michelle, turnip head. For ease, here's a color coded chart of these two salads:
sig
sprityo
sabie
michelle
turnip head
Jay
Sloonei
SVS
Tony
Dyslexicon
Mac names 10 players, 5 positive and 5 negative. 5 are now dead or revealed/about to be dead, and none of them were on Mac's team. Two are confirmed to have been on the opposite team. My general inclination is to treat lists like these as though there as at least one teammate named in the bunch, although I wouldn't put it past Mac to deliberately mislead buttheads like me by naming 0 partners. I had a positive vibe on Michelle in part 1 of this ISO and I'm not inclined to waive that for now. I don't know why Turnip Head or Tony are on their ends of this list. I've already commented on Jay's part. Keeping an eye on all three of those as I move forward. I'll note before I go, though, that Tony has been mentioned a couple times now without any real substance behind any of those mentions.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:45 am
I'm never voting for Colin after reading his first three posts. Colin never rolls Mafia and always gets lynched because of exactly this kind of stuff.
A hard pro-colin stance.
Interesting. I've seen scum mac go the Hard Defense route on his teammates before (in last year's GoC, if I'm not mistaken).
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:46 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:45 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:43 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:40 am
I mean I’m just not really willing to think that anyone is going to seriously consider a world where one of the scum teams had to play short handed for an entire cycle
Hey so like I'm not scum so could you like not vote to lynch me plz?
I mean I kinda think you are, so
I promise I am not though. If you vote someone else you will be happy at the end of the game that you ignored your intuition in favour of arbitrarily trusting me for no apparent reason.
This exchange with nanook looks spontaneous and maybe a little desperate. Good look for nanook. dem rhymes
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:48 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:45 am
The other thing that makes me feel OK about a mac TK is that we have actual battle lines over it, people are invested on both sides, as opposed to radishes where we have a few people invested in killing him and everyone else seemingly kind of shrugging and going “eh, idk, maybe?”
And I tend to think that in a game like this a polarized TK is more likely to lead to scum than one where the strongest defense against it amounts to a half hearted “idk he’s kinda null.”
I dunno, it seems like the only thing that's likely to happen after I get mislynched is that you mislynch Turnip Head for TMI or some dumb shit.
Turnip Head gets an implicitly defensive and unsolicited name drop in an exchange with Nanook. I feel like this post exists entirely as wifom. I'm hesitant to do much with it other than note that Turnip Head is mentioned.
Mac
ducks out of engaging further about Turnip Head, point instead to his wack-ass dragotella shade. This time I'm willing to submit a read: slightly bad look for TH. Mac plucks a Turnip out of the void for no visible reason, then immediately pivots when it appears we might be lingering on the subject. I can see this as him trying to namedrop a teammate in a way that is meant to confuse, but then moves away to avoid tipping his hand.
Empty ted banter
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:50 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:48 am
In Inception his posts stuck out like a sore thumb and he was forcing interactions with his scum buds that were honestly the closest thing to open wolfing ever since day one.
In here he just posted his thoughts and didn’t force anything. His questions in Inception also sucked and he had a general agenda of looking townie, whereas in here he does seem to go at his own pace.
Jesus tell me how you really feel
Not empty banter, but Mac's response to ted is an insubstantial response to a substantial post. Noted.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:34 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:15 pm
Mac's greatest civilian weakness in my eyes is that he does not effectively shake himself free of his reads -- for better or for worse. I don't mean to be an arse, Mac's a great player. We all have a weakness somewhere. Mac does not easily shed suspicion, and he does not easily shed trust. So no, I don't think his reversal on nutella is a good reason to call him a civilian. That's not his game.
How very wrong you are.
A slightly more substantial response to a substantial jay post. Okay.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:34 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:20 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:32 am
I see sabie12 and Michelle share my suspicion of TH (maybe others too, i did not read everything, and probably won't get around to it), so i'm glad to see i'm not the only one. I'm putting a vote there.
Ew.
Yes that post is hot garbage
Agrees with Jay's Tranq shade. This is not an observation I've ever made before, I don't think, but I'm inclined to make it here: I don't think posts like this exist between teammates. This looks like Mac is trying butter Jay up by feeding into a suspicion on Not Him in a pretty empty way. If they're partners it's totally unnecessary, it achieves nothing, and it lumps them together for no beneficial reason. If Mac is mafia is Jay is not his partner, it exists to move focus away from himself. Good look for Jay.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:35 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:24 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:11 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:09 pm
[VOTE:
Ted] aubergine
I could be persuaded to vote Mac pretty easily.
Hey you should vote mac
wow okay that sounds good
[VOTE:
Macdougall] aubergine
PLEAZE DONG
Weak. Meh. I don't need to read anything into this, but I could see speedchuck as mac's partner here.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:57 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:56 pm
Or sprit? Idfk
Or Dragomir. Or G-Man. Or TSP. Name a player and they're likely a better lynch than me.
G-man and Tony get name drops (along with dragomir, who became nutella, who is dead). I think this is the first time I've seen G's name come up in Mac's posts. It's not the first time I've seen Tony's name. I've yet to see Mac provide a substantive read on Tony though. Given the number of times this has occurred, I'm gonna mark it down as a bad look for Tony. Mac keeps propping him up as a name to be suspicious of, but he isn't actually doing anything with that read.
Skipping some jack and juliets stuff because I'm not inclined to read them as Mac's partners and nothing in these posts changes that.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:05 pm
Sabie is probably TH's teammate given she had to justify not voting TH over me.
TH is lumped in with sabie. TH had previously been a baseless town read for mac. Idk what to do with this. It looks more like a read on sabie, with TH's name lumped in because Mac loves associative reads. I'm almost inclined to call it a good look for TH, but I don't feel all that strongly about it. Mac is capable of spewing bullshit like this about his own partner. No read.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:06 pm
But TH's wagon is quite impure.
This is more direct shade at
the people voting for TH. I don't know who all the names on that list would be. Michelle, Tranq, and Radishes would be the names there in the final tally. We know one of those three was bad opposite Mac, so he's not wrong. Mac's previous support of Jay's "ew" at Tranq coupled with this post might indicate that Mac viewed Tranq as a viable suspect, or at least someone who could draw attention away from him. Although I'll also note that Mac's bizarre post about lynching Dragomir but not lynching Dragomir from earlier in this phase was singularly directed at one low-poster (Drago) but not the other (Tranq). That doesn't have to mean anything, but I'm gonna mention it. I'm unwilling to dismiss Tranq as a suspect, but I would not feel confident in calling him a teammate of Mac's either.
Unspecified shade at voters in general with implicit support of all his counterwagons (g-man, radishes, Turnip Head). Alright. This strikes me as pure self-defense.
Firm defense of TH, expressed intent to vote for either of the other two wagons. with a Radish preference. I can feel a TH association. I do not feel a G-man association.
Calls on ted, juliets, and SVS to move their votes. I assume this is just because they were off-wagon at the time.
G-man is not mac's partner.
That's the end of Day 2 and this is getting long, so I'll post these results and continue on. Quick rainbow recap based purely on these results (coupled with Part 1):
Jack
Dom
juliets
Jay
Michelle
nanook
G-man
Tranq
Epi
Ted
speedchuck
Colin
Tony
Turnip Head