Re: King of the Hill Mafia
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:58 pm
You said she was town earlier. How confident are you on that read aorn?
You said she was town earlier. How confident are you on that read aorn?
hypocrisy is nai and you know it so fixating on this is very scummy for someone who purports to only do gto and rational thingsAlison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:52 pmThis is an incredibly hypocritical post to make after you went "meh" and dipped when I tried to talk to you about the game... and it is doubly hypocritical to accuse me of throwing out matter of fact reads with no reasoning when you did the same yourself in your original post accusing me/lily/Seanzie of being wolves.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:40 pmthe way she is making matter of fact reads such as "these three players are town" with no reasoning offered, on slots it is sub optimal for Alison to be shielding because they are not >rand town slots anyway indicates Alison is not legitimately trying to sort alignments and is more interested in making people feel a wayPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:37 pmbut you should give your reasons anyway in case you get ml'd or nk'dPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:37 pmtrueMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:36 pmit doesn't matter nobody is going to chop her on fay 1 for reasons I givefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:41 pmWhy is Alison a wolf?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:02 pm Alison is a wolf in this game I think.
I think Lilypetal is also a wolf.
I think the third is probably like ... Seanzie?
Have you never seen me give matter of fact reads and only explain reasoning when asked? Why are my townreads not >rand town?
Ah ok I see fs, ty! I will keep that in mind.lucy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:57 pmI know her wolf game decently, and I'd trust her read on me much more than my read on herarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:55 pmoh ok I see. Thanks. What did you think of her early town read on you when she came into the game?lucy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:51 pmshe's probably much better at reading me as townarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:49 pm @lucy Just curious, would you say you are good at reading Alison? Or is it more of a one way street?
Cause if you guys are not w/w, I would likely just sheep a read there depending on how things go.
but she's wolfed against me x2
and I haven't wolfed against her after 6ish games together
why would we be w/w or why would there be a wolf in us to begin with
And oh, you misunderstood. I didn't say there was a mafia among yall or anything like that. I was just gonna see how accurate ur reads are on each other, and if I see as the game progresses that if you guys are not partners (not w/w), then I would likely sheep the confidence on the read since I saw Alison was tr you to begin the game. And likewise if you would tr Alison in the future with confidence I would sheep it as well, which is why I was asking how confident u are in reading Alison in general.
It's merely a hypothetical and future thought to keep in mind.
I'd say accurate enough for mutual reads to be a clever and good idea that should be followed
I figure she knows my town game very well, in spec chat I SR her for not giving me a TR lmao
I think I have >>rand reads on falcon and Seanzie. It is possible for them to fool me, but I have had confident and largely correct reads on them historically.lucy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:58 pmyeah this seems accurate, are you a godreader of anyone in this playerlist
hes hitting wolf tells I've caught him for before and I don't vibe with himSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:58 pmWhy is Creature in here?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:48 pmpoe is likearogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:48 pm Yo, Mac. I see you are here. If you don't mind, what's ur current shotgun of reads? I haven't caught up since around page 9ish. So I just wanted to realtime before I leave for a bit and then come back.
Creature
Alison
porscha
lilypetal
haha yeah but I've somehow tilted Alison so that's cool
No, I don't know it. I think hypocrisy is scummy and have said as much repeatedly. Catching people on inconsistencies in their thought process is part of my bread and butter methodology, and you know that.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:00 pm hypocrisy is nai and you know it so fixating on this is very scummy for someone who purports to only do gto and rational things
Wait, you pushed on Punchy in our mash game for being hypocritcal with how they were solving certain slots lol?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:00 pmhypocrisy is nai and you know it so fixating on this is very scummy for someone who purports to only do gto and rational thingsAlison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:52 pmThis is an incredibly hypocritical post to make after you went "meh" and dipped when I tried to talk to you about the game... and it is doubly hypocritical to accuse me of throwing out matter of fact reads with no reasoning when you did the same yourself in your original post accusing me/lily/Seanzie of being wolves.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:40 pmthe way she is making matter of fact reads such as "these three players are town" with no reasoning offered, on slots it is sub optimal for Alison to be shielding because they are not >rand town slots anyway indicates Alison is not legitimately trying to sort alignments and is more interested in making people feel a way
Have you never seen me give matter of fact reads and only explain reasoning when asked? Why are my townreads not >rand town?
You haven't tilted me.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:02 pmhaha yeah but I've somehow tilted Alison so that's cool
gotta Lynch townies innitarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:01 pmAh ok I see fs, ty! I will keep that in mind.lucy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:57 pmI know her wolf game decently, and I'd trust her read on me much more than my read on herarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:55 pmoh ok I see. Thanks. What did you think of her early town read on you when she came into the game?lucy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:51 pmshe's probably much better at reading me as townarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:49 pm @lucy Just curious, would you say you are good at reading Alison? Or is it more of a one way street?
Cause if you guys are not w/w, I would likely just sheep a read there depending on how things go.
but she's wolfed against me x2
and I haven't wolfed against her after 6ish games together
why would we be w/w or why would there be a wolf in us to begin with
And oh, you misunderstood. I didn't say there was a mafia among yall or anything like that. I was just gonna see how accurate ur reads are on each other, and if I see as the game progresses that if you guys are not partners (not w/w), then I would likely sheep the confidence on the read since I saw Alison was tr you to begin the game. And likewise if you would tr Alison in the future with confidence I would sheep it as well, which is why I was asking how confident u are in reading Alison in general.
It's merely a hypothetical and future thought to keep in mind.
I'd say accurate enough for mutual reads to be a clever and good idea that should be followed
I figure she knows my town game very well, in spec chat I SR her for not giving me a TR lmao
I also briefly skimmed your mafia games and I did see you portray similar WIM in the beginning so I was a bit foolish to tr you for the earlier reason I gave.![]()
One thing I noticed tho is you are more aggressive with your reads and attempt to emotionally manipulate people in to voting your sr more often as town. Would you say that is correct?
I haven't really thought about it enough to have gotten to that conclusion nor do I have any real awareness of you being a great falcon reader either at least front of mindAlison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:59 pm @MacDougall
I am actually very interested to hear why you are skeptical of my falcon townread especially. I think that I have a very good read on him when I am town and would likely be obligated to TMI him when I am mafia, especially with Two-Kill being so fresh in everyone's memory. You are usually the first to jump on this kind of reasoning with me especially and it is very odd that you have called him not >rand town as a result. What is your read on Falcon? Why did you go "don't bother voting me, you'll die" early on?
*squints*MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:02 pmhaha yeah but I've somehow tilted Alison so that's cool
you don't know me well so I'd advise you just don't bother trying to meta read me at allarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:04 pm*squints*MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:02 pmhaha yeah but I've somehow tilted Alison so that's cool
Mac instigating lol
That seems unlike the Mac I have played with before that likes to keep a nice and refreshing threadstate lol
hypocrisy is if anything town indicative and also this entire line of inquisition is bogus and nobody will care and does nothing pro town to engage witharogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:02 pmWait, you pushed on Punchy in our mash game for being hypocritcal with how they were solving certain slots lol?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:00 pmhypocrisy is nai and you know it so fixating on this is very scummy for someone who purports to only do gto and rational thingsAlison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:52 pmThis is an incredibly hypocritical post to make after you went "meh" and dipped when I tried to talk to you about the game... and it is doubly hypocritical to accuse me of throwing out matter of fact reads with no reasoning when you did the same yourself in your original post accusing me/lily/Seanzie of being wolves.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:40 pmthe way she is making matter of fact reads such as "these three players are town" with no reasoning offered, on slots it is sub optimal for Alison to be shielding because they are not >rand town slots anyway indicates Alison is not legitimately trying to sort alignments and is more interested in making people feel a way
Have you never seen me give matter of fact reads and only explain reasoning when asked? Why are my townreads not >rand town?
Why do you think hypocricy is nai here?
lol, your welcome I guess?lucy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:03 pmgotta Lynch townies innitarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:01 pmAh ok I see fs, ty! I will keep that in mind.lucy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:57 pmI know her wolf game decently, and I'd trust her read on me much more than my read on herarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:55 pmoh ok I see. Thanks. What did you think of her early town read on you when she came into the game?lucy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:51 pmshe's probably much better at reading me as townarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:49 pm @lucy Just curious, would you say you are good at reading Alison? Or is it more of a one way street?
Cause if you guys are not w/w, I would likely just sheep a read there depending on how things go.
but she's wolfed against me x2
and I haven't wolfed against her after 6ish games together
why would we be w/w or why would there be a wolf in us to begin with
And oh, you misunderstood. I didn't say there was a mafia among yall or anything like that. I was just gonna see how accurate ur reads are on each other, and if I see as the game progresses that if you guys are not partners (not w/w), then I would likely sheep the confidence on the read since I saw Alison was tr you to begin the game. And likewise if you would tr Alison in the future with confidence I would sheep it as well, which is why I was asking how confident u are in reading Alison in general.
It's merely a hypothetical and future thought to keep in mind.
I'd say accurate enough for mutual reads to be a clever and good idea that should be followed
I figure she knows my town game very well, in spec chat I SR her for not giving me a TR lmao
I also briefly skimmed your mafia games and I did see you portray similar WIM in the beginning so I was a bit foolish to tr you for the earlier reason I gave.![]()
One thing I noticed tho is you are more aggressive with your reads and attempt to emotionally manipulate people in to voting your sr more often as town. Would you say that is correct?
funnily enough that is what I have to do as town (be louder) against my scum reads
and now that you've said this with the aforementioned in mind I think that's completely NAI this game
but I didn't know I did that myself, good to know next time I rand scum, thanks
show me where you've said as much repeatedlyAlison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:02 pmNo, I don't know it. I think hypocrisy is scummy and have said as much repeatedly. Catching people on inconsistencies in their thought process is part of my bread and butter methodology, and you know that.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:00 pm hypocrisy is nai and you know it so fixating on this is very scummy for someone who purports to only do gto and rational things
Answer the rest of my post.
I mean I don't think your scummy but I don't remember you wanting to "annoy people" lol. I thought it was an interesting observation tbh.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:06 pm feel free to scumread me for being scummy without elaboration tho that's fine
Maybe mac not washedMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:02 pmhaha yeah but I've somehow tilted Alison so that's cool
I dunno how to say this without sounding like I'm putting down falcon's scum game. But if he is mafia I don't think he has the balls to poke me, Mac and Boq as some of his first few pushes. (He also poked Aro, but that is an easier push to make.)
Are these the same tells you used to push me on Spiritfarer?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:02 pmhes hitting wolf tells I've caught him for before and I don't vibe with himSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:58 pmWhy is Creature in here?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:48 pmpoe is likearogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:48 pm Yo, Mac. I see you are here. If you don't mind, what's ur current shotgun of reads? I haven't caught up since around page 9ish. So I just wanted to realtime before I leave for a bit and then come back.
Creature
Alison
porscha
lilypetal
Well I brought it up cause I remember you pushed on Punchy in our mash game for pointing out certain inconsisties/being hypocritical, so I was wondering why you said it was NAI here, when you used that thought to push on someone in Mash when you were town.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:07 pmhypocrisy is if anything town indicative and also this entire line of inquisition is bogus and nobody will care and does nothing pro town to engage witharogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:02 pmWait, you pushed on Punchy in our mash game for being hypocritcal with how they were solving certain slots lol?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:00 pmhypocrisy is nai and you know it so fixating on this is very scummy for someone who purports to only do gto and rational thingsAlison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:52 pmThis is an incredibly hypocritical post to make after you went "meh" and dipped when I tried to talk to you about the game... and it is doubly hypocritical to accuse me of throwing out matter of fact reads with no reasoning when you did the same yourself in your original post accusing me/lily/Seanzie of being wolves.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:40 pmthe way she is making matter of fact reads such as "these three players are town" with no reasoning offered, on slots it is sub optimal for Alison to be shielding because they are not >rand town slots anyway indicates Alison is not legitimately trying to sort alignments and is more interested in making people feel a way
Have you never seen me give matter of fact reads and only explain reasoning when asked? Why are my townreads not >rand town?
Why do you think hypocricy is nai here?
i think we should kill exclusively strong players today so there's no risk of them pocketing uslucy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:32 pmwe better Lynch scum today or I'm pushing the correct basket with scumstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:30 pm i've decided that i'm going to read alison solely by her results in this game and that any other method is probably flawed
and nobody will throw in this game, thank fuck
sometimes I play differently depending on how I feelarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:11 pmWell I brought it up cause I remember you pushed on Punchy in our mash game for pointing out certain inconsisties/being hypocritical, so I was wondering why you said it was NAI here, when you used that thought to push on someone in Mash when you were town.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:07 pmhypocrisy is if anything town indicative and also this entire line of inquisition is bogus and nobody will care and does nothing pro town to engage witharogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:02 pmWait, you pushed on Punchy in our mash game for being hypocritcal with how they were solving certain slots lol?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:00 pmhypocrisy is nai and you know it so fixating on this is very scummy for someone who purports to only do gto and rational thingsAlison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:52 pmThis is an incredibly hypocritical post to make after you went "meh" and dipped when I tried to talk to you about the game... and it is doubly hypocritical to accuse me of throwing out matter of fact reads with no reasoning when you did the same yourself in your original post accusing me/lily/Seanzie of being wolves.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:40 pmthe way she is making matter of fact reads such as "these three players are town" with no reasoning offered, on slots it is sub optimal for Alison to be shielding because they are not >rand town slots anyway indicates Alison is not legitimately trying to sort alignments and is more interested in making people feel a way
Have you never seen me give matter of fact reads and only explain reasoning when asked? Why are my townreads not >rand town?
Why do you think hypocricy is nai here?
I am trying to analyze the way you push people and why you think it's NAI here when you used that tactic to push on someone in a previous game we played.
wolfy shadestaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:12 pmi think we should kill exclusively strong players today so there's no risk of them pocketing uslucy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:32 pmwe better Lynch scum today or I'm pushing the correct basket with scumstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:30 pm i've decided that i'm going to read alison solely by her results in this game and that any other method is probably flawed
and nobody will throw in this game, thank fuck
gee i must be a wolf every game then thanks for the insightMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:38 pmyou are townreading people for bad reasons which wolves are prone to doLilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:45 pmdo explain why i am a wolf macdonaldMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:02 pm Alison is a wolf in this game I think.
I think Lilypetal is also a wolf.
I think the third is probably like ... Seanzie?
I didn't really care about the "hypocracy" that existed on you that Alison was pushing you for. But more so, I wanted to see why you thought it was NAI when you used that reasoning to push someone in our Mash game when you were town.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:10 pm getting into a discussion about the alignment indicativeness of hypocrisy when the actual hypocrisy on display is questionable to begin with
like the distance one must get to make the logical connection necessary to never ask the question you have is just wolfy
mac is reading me wolf because I'm dropping baseless townreads while he himself is doing the same thing
is !wolf mac true?
unknown parameter
pushing on Punchy for doing things that subvert my expectations of town Punchyarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:11 pmWell I brought it up cause I remember you pushed on Punchy in our mash game for pointing out certain inconsisties/being hypocritical, so I was wondering why you said it was NAI here, when you used that thought to push on someone in Mash when you were town.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:07 pmhypocrisy is if anything town indicative and also this entire line of inquisition is bogus and nobody will care and does nothing pro town to engage witharogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:02 pmWait, you pushed on Punchy in our mash game for being hypocritcal with how they were solving certain slots lol?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:00 pmhypocrisy is nai and you know it so fixating on this is very scummy for someone who purports to only do gto and rational thingsAlison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:52 pmThis is an incredibly hypocritical post to make after you went "meh" and dipped when I tried to talk to you about the game... and it is doubly hypocritical to accuse me of throwing out matter of fact reads with no reasoning when you did the same yourself in your original post accusing me/lily/Seanzie of being wolves.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:40 pmthe way she is making matter of fact reads such as "these three players are town" with no reasoning offered, on slots it is sub optimal for Alison to be shielding because they are not >rand town slots anyway indicates Alison is not legitimately trying to sort alignments and is more interested in making people feel a way
Have you never seen me give matter of fact reads and only explain reasoning when asked? Why are my townreads not >rand town?
Why do you think hypocricy is nai here?
I am trying to analyze the way you push people and why you think it's NAI here when you used that tactic to push on someone in a previous game we played.
I don't believe I pushed Punchy for hypocrisy to begin witharogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:14 pmI didn't really care about the "hypocracy" that existed on you that Alison was pushing you for. But more so, I wanted to see why you thought it was NAI when you used that reasoning to push someone in our Mash game when you were town.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:10 pm getting into a discussion about the alignment indicativeness of hypocrisy when the actual hypocrisy on display is questionable to begin with
like the distance one must get to make the logical connection necessary to never ask the question you have is just wolfy
mac is reading me wolf because I'm dropping baseless townreads while he himself is doing the same thing
is !wolf mac true?
unknown parameter
simply being aware of it means I'll correct my actions to be nai in regards to early game WIM, I don't think it's too weird. I come from an isolated community for 2 years straight where a lot of reads were meta reads, therefore a portion of my playstyle has been designed specifically to avoid meta reads. among other things I'm pretty self aware in regards to after someone tells me I do X that is AIarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:07 pmlol, your welcome I guess?lucy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:03 pmgotta Lynch townies innitarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:01 pmAh ok I see fs, ty! I will keep that in mind.lucy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:57 pmI know her wolf game decently, and I'd trust her read on me much more than my read on herarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:55 pmoh ok I see. Thanks. What did you think of her early town read on you when she came into the game?lucy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:51 pmshe's probably much better at reading me as townarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:49 pm @lucy Just curious, would you say you are good at reading Alison? Or is it more of a one way street?
Cause if you guys are not w/w, I would likely just sheep a read there depending on how things go.
but she's wolfed against me x2
and I haven't wolfed against her after 6ish games together
why would we be w/w or why would there be a wolf in us to begin with
And oh, you misunderstood. I didn't say there was a mafia among yall or anything like that. I was just gonna see how accurate ur reads are on each other, and if I see as the game progresses that if you guys are not partners (not w/w), then I would likely sheep the confidence on the read since I saw Alison was tr you to begin the game. And likewise if you would tr Alison in the future with confidence I would sheep it as well, which is why I was asking how confident u are in reading Alison in general.
It's merely a hypothetical and future thought to keep in mind.
I'd say accurate enough for mutual reads to be a clever and good idea that should be followed
I figure she knows my town game very well, in spec chat I SR her for not giving me a TR lmao
I also briefly skimmed your mafia games and I did see you portray similar WIM in the beginning so I was a bit foolish to tr you for the earlier reason I gave.![]()
One thing I noticed tho is you are more aggressive with your reads and attempt to emotionally manipulate people in to voting your sr more often as town. Would you say that is correct?
funnily enough that is what I have to do as town (be louder) against my scum reads
and now that you've said this with the aforementioned in mind I think that's completely NAI this game
but I didn't know I did that myself, good to know next time I rand scum, thanks
And that's kind of weird the way you just phrazed that saying it's NAI for this game now that I brought it up. Are you saying it's NAI cause now you will use that tactic when u are mafia which negates what meta you did in your previous games as town?
at what point did you drop your read on her? is this something that happened silently? i don't see any indication that you did in your ISOarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:44 pmYea, that's why I asked her about the WIM thing and then asked to look at her games. I briefly skimmed through some of them and so I dropped that read I had, as I realized it was kind of a "jump the gun."staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:03 pmalso wouldn't lucy be motivated to use her knowledge to improve the way she's playing regardless of her alignment? have you seen any evidence of her specifically using her experiences from the last game to inform her reads from this game? if not then it feels like you're townreading lucy for stating the intention to play in a towny way and not because she is actually playing in a towny wayarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:35 pm Also, I didn’t mention it earlier and but I have a slight tr Lucy more so because I feel like just like me, they are motivated to be better and are attempting to learn how different people play in this game and use their past knowledge to apply it in this game.
I will admit that this is more pro-town from Lucy and though I haven’t seen her mafia game, I’m inclined to give her a slight tr for how she’s come into the game so far.
Additionally, I liked her response to Nanook about questioning why they were on the list. Thought it was funny lol. Good sense of humor.
That's why I prefaced it by "pro-town" and should have made it more clear.
But one example so far that she has been trying to use those reads to improve is on my slot for example. In response to ur post about "me being obv town" she discredited by referencing prev games about me and my range. So similar to what I was saying to u, I could see some critical thought there and not a "plain ez sheep" on reading me town as well.
But one thing I do want to me more careful about is just handing out free town reads and then letting mafia creep up in my town list because of a faulty early read. So when reading and seeing how people were discussing about how Neon felt mafia like to them from Boq and Alison. I realized that it is a bit unfair for me to give a read for "vibing with the thread" that early on especially in RVS when it is easier for mafia. So I will hold that read and wait to see how Neon performs and makes reads and stuff like that.
I also need to reread and catch up. But I am free for a bit incase anyone wants to realtime.
tough cookie tbh. You were an easier read in the mash tbh cause I was able to sheep it and with "aggressive and ego meta" that others were bringing up.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:12 pmsometimes I play differently depending on how I feelarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:11 pmWell I brought it up cause I remember you pushed on Punchy in our mash game for pointing out certain inconsisties/being hypocritical, so I was wondering why you said it was NAI here, when you used that thought to push on someone in Mash when you were town.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:07 pmhypocrisy is if anything town indicative and also this entire line of inquisition is bogus and nobody will care and does nothing pro town to engage witharogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:02 pmWait, you pushed on Punchy in our mash game for being hypocritcal with how they were solving certain slots lol?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:00 pmhypocrisy is nai and you know it so fixating on this is very scummy for someone who purports to only do gto and rational thingsAlison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:52 pmThis is an incredibly hypocritical post to make after you went "meh" and dipped when I tried to talk to you about the game... and it is doubly hypocritical to accuse me of throwing out matter of fact reads with no reasoning when you did the same yourself in your original post accusing me/lily/Seanzie of being wolves.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:40 pm
the way she is making matter of fact reads such as "these three players are town" with no reasoning offered, on slots it is sub optimal for Alison to be shielding because they are not >rand town slots anyway indicates Alison is not legitimately trying to sort alignments and is more interested in making people feel a way
Have you never seen me give matter of fact reads and only explain reasoning when asked? Why are my townreads not >rand town?
Why do you think hypocricy is nai here?
I am trying to analyze the way you push people and why you think it's NAI here when you used that tactic to push on someone in a previous game we played.
next paragraph!
que?Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:13 pmgee i must be a wolf every game then thanks for the insightMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:38 pmyou are townreading people for bad reasons which wolves are prone to doLilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:45 pmdo explain why i am a wolf macdonaldMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:02 pm Alison is a wolf in this game I think.
I think Lilypetal is also a wolf.
I think the third is probably like ... Seanzie?
well i'm partially saying it as a joke because i just came out of a game where alison was consistently wrong for multiple days in a row and ended up being mafia, and i cut her way more slack than i should have, but it's also a principle that i generally believe in. players like alison are difficult to read in a micro sense because her playstyle is so identical regardless of her alignment, which means that the main thing that is alignment telling about her is the amount of wolves she pushes and the amount of obvious villagers she attempts to throw into the POE (like her POEing creature last game when her options were starting to run thin)arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:46 pmFrom what I remember, Alison was incorrect in majority of her reads in our C v D. No offence Alison, so is there a reason you are just solely basing your read on Alison from a results perspective?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:30 pm i've decided that i'm going to read alison solely by her results in this game and that any other method is probably flawed
I remember you explicitly stated in our previous game with her that being results orientated isn't the end all be all. Wrong != mafia lol.
viewtopic.php?p=762336#p762336MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:08 pm show me where you've said as much repeatedly
this whole thing is so bogus coming from you I'm just gonna never reeval so enjoy the fruits of your labour alison
can you talk about creature? i actually thought he was fine when i was pressuring him a while back and think he generally comes off as more awkward/stilted/struggling to post unique thoughts as a wolf, and that he has been fine in this game by comparison. he's done a few things that have mildly pinged me but i find him towny on the wholeMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:48 pmpoe is likearogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:48 pm Yo, Mac. I see you are here. If you don't mind, what's ur current shotgun of reads? I haven't caught up since around page 9ish. So I just wanted to realtime before I leave for a bit and then come back.
Creature
Alison
porscha
lilypetal
might be for the better
I was more explicit when I came back but it was in my mind when I was briefly reading and catching up in the morning while sitting on the toilet. I was thinking how Boq came in and was adding the additional info about how "wolves wanting to vibe" was easier for wolves to do to "fit in", which was adding to your discussion. So throughout the day, I was pondering about that, and from past experience, I didn't want to get burned from handing out a free tr. However, I am not sr Neon, but more so just dropping that light tr.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:15 pmat what point did you drop your read on her? is this something that happened silently? i don't see any indication that you did in your ISOarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:44 pmYea, that's why I asked her about the WIM thing and then asked to look at her games. I briefly skimmed through some of them and so I dropped that read I had, as I realized it was kind of a "jump the gun."staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:03 pmalso wouldn't lucy be motivated to use her knowledge to improve the way she's playing regardless of her alignment? have you seen any evidence of her specifically using her experiences from the last game to inform her reads from this game? if not then it feels like you're townreading lucy for stating the intention to play in a towny way and not because she is actually playing in a towny wayarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:35 pm Also, I didn’t mention it earlier and but I have a slight tr Lucy more so because I feel like just like me, they are motivated to be better and are attempting to learn how different people play in this game and use their past knowledge to apply it in this game.
I will admit that this is more pro-town from Lucy and though I haven’t seen her mafia game, I’m inclined to give her a slight tr for how she’s come into the game so far.
Additionally, I liked her response to Nanook about questioning why they were on the list. Thought it was funny lol. Good sense of humor.
That's why I prefaced it by "pro-town" and should have made it more clear.
But one example so far that she has been trying to use those reads to improve is on my slot for example. In response to ur post about "me being obv town" she discredited by referencing prev games about me and my range. So similar to what I was saying to u, I could see some critical thought there and not a "plain ez sheep" on reading me town as well.
But one thing I do want to me more careful about is just handing out free town reads and then letting mafia creep up in my town list because of a faulty early read. So when reading and seeing how people were discussing about how Neon felt mafia like to them from Boq and Alison. I realized that it is a bit unfair for me to give a read for "vibing with the thread" that early on especially in RVS when it is easier for mafia. So I will hold that read and wait to see how Neon performs and makes reads and stuff like that.
I also need to reread and catch up. But I am free for a bit incase anyone wants to realtime.
Alison bussed Hells like every day last game ftr. I ended up reading it as w/w for feeling like she was always solid on Hells being wolf yet didn't care when someone else was lynched.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:17 pmwell i'm partially saying it as a joke because i just came out of a game where alison was consistently wrong for multiple days in a row and ended up being mafia, and i cut her way more slack than i should have, but it's also a principle that i generally believe in. players like alison are difficult to read in a micro sense because her playstyle is so identical regardless of her alignment, which means that the main thing that is alignment telling about her is the amount of wolves she pushes and the amount of obvious villagers she attempts to throw into the POE (like her POEing creature last game when her options were starting to run thin)arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:46 pmFrom what I remember, Alison was incorrect in majority of her reads in our C v D. No offence Alison, so is there a reason you are just solely basing your read on Alison from a results perspective?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:30 pm i've decided that i'm going to read alison solely by her results in this game and that any other method is probably flawed
I remember you explicitly stated in our previous game with her that being results orientated isn't the end all be all. Wrong != mafia lol.
there's always the possibility that she is town who has an off-game and doesn't kill wolves, but even in games like cats v dogs she still managed to push on several mafia in spite of being wrong on some things
You know you just wanted to play with me again
Are you sad? I feel like I'm talking with Eyeore here, what's up dude?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:42 pmthere's no wahmbulancefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:17 pmThe game takes longer than one Day tho dude.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:36 pmit doesn't matter nobody is going to chop her on fay 1 for reasons I givefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:41 pmWhy is Alison a wolf?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:02 pm Alison is a wolf in this game I think.
I think Lilypetal is also a wolf.
I think the third is probably like ... Seanzie?
Get off the waaaaaahmbulance, and help solve if yer town
tmiarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:19 pmI was more explicit when I came back but it was in my mind when I was briefly reading and catching up in the morning while sitting on the toilet. I was thinking how Boq came in and was adding the additional info about how "wolves wanting to vibe" was easier for wolves to do to "fit in", which was adding to your discussion. So throughout the day, I was pondering about that, and from past experience, I didn't want to get burned from handing out a free tr. However, I am not sr Neon, but more so just dropping that light tr.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:15 pmat what point did you drop your read on her? is this something that happened silently? i don't see any indication that you did in your ISOarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:44 pmYea, that's why I asked her about the WIM thing and then asked to look at her games. I briefly skimmed through some of them and so I dropped that read I had, as I realized it was kind of a "jump the gun."staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:03 pmalso wouldn't lucy be motivated to use her knowledge to improve the way she's playing regardless of her alignment? have you seen any evidence of her specifically using her experiences from the last game to inform her reads from this game? if not then it feels like you're townreading lucy for stating the intention to play in a towny way and not because she is actually playing in a towny wayarogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:35 pm Also, I didn’t mention it earlier and but I have a slight tr Lucy more so because I feel like just like me, they are motivated to be better and are attempting to learn how different people play in this game and use their past knowledge to apply it in this game.
I will admit that this is more pro-town from Lucy and though I haven’t seen her mafia game, I’m inclined to give her a slight tr for how she’s come into the game so far.
Additionally, I liked her response to Nanook about questioning why they were on the list. Thought it was funny lol. Good sense of humor.
That's why I prefaced it by "pro-town" and should have made it more clear.
But one example so far that she has been trying to use those reads to improve is on my slot for example. In response to ur post about "me being obv town" she discredited by referencing prev games about me and my range. So similar to what I was saying to u, I could see some critical thought there and not a "plain ez sheep" on reading me town as well.
But one thing I do want to me more careful about is just handing out free town reads and then letting mafia creep up in my town list because of a faulty early read. So when reading and seeing how people were discussing about how Neon felt mafia like to them from Boq and Alison. I realized that it is a bit unfair for me to give a read for "vibing with the thread" that early on especially in RVS when it is easier for mafia. So I will hold that read and wait to see how Neon performs and makes reads and stuff like that.
I also need to reread and catch up. But I am free for a bit incase anyone wants to realtime.
I thought Boq's handling of Neon was townier than Alison's tho, where Alison seemed to be looking for every scummy thing from Neon and playing devil's advocate.