The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:34 am Dumb read alert:

DarlingMonroe got started very slowly in Severance (as town). She was preoccupied a bit by having BTSC with Jack as a mason and spent most of her initial playing energy in that space.

Maybe. She's. Preouccupied. Again. By. A. Different. Kind. Of. BTSC.

I saw she posted but I forgot all about her

Scotty, if you read the post, there is a sentence that ends with a question mark.

You seem very all over the place at the moment and I hate to admit that I'm struggling to parse it.

I'm struggling to follow both Cape and Scotty at present. They're both making a lot of reads, and I really appreciate that. But I don't quite see a thread that allows me to follow their journey. It's like they're pulling posts out of a hat and commenting on them.

Actually this is probably a more apt criticism for Cape than Scotty. The latter has been catching up.

I will murder a zero poster if I feel like it.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:44 am I'm struggling to follow both Cape and Scotty at present. They're both making a lot of reads, and I really appreciate that. But I don't quite see a thread that allows me to follow their journey. It's like they're pulling posts out of a hat and commenting on them.

Actually this is probably a more apt criticism for Cape than Scotty. The latter has been catching up.

i'm waiting for a classic cape readslist to ask him questions

I can also be more charitable to Scotty.

Look, lets pretend you knew Robyn was town, what would you do with it?

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:47 am I can also be more charitable to Scotty.

Look, lets pretend you knew Robyn was town, what would you do with it?

u should talk about the robyn pocketing bereft game and like the fact ur looking for it

You should talk about the time Robyn was voting me and said they had a god read on me and both of us were town.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:50 am You should talk about the time Robyn was voting me and said they had a god read on me and both of us were town.

u were speaking jibberish, i was posting without restraint and you didn't give a read on me

I'm going to establish a universal law that the minimum number of games of experience necessary to declare a "god read" is 50 games.

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:51 am

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:50 am You should talk about the time Robyn was voting me and said they had a god read on me and both of us were town.

u were speaking jibberish, i was posting without restraint and you didn't give a read on me

Complain elsewhere.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:51 am I'm going to establish a universal law that the minimum number of games of experience necessary to declare a "god read" is 50 games.

how about like 20 games and 60k dms

I just noticed that this page is fully me/robyn/J³ just murdering it.

Ah well.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:53 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:51 am

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:50 am You should talk about the time Robyn was voting me and said they had a god read on me and both of us were town.

u were speaking jibberish, i was posting without restraint and you didn't give a read on me

Complain elsewhere.

nyet

blahhhhh

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:42 am Scotty, if you read the post, there is a sentence that ends with a question mark.

You seem very all over the place at the moment and I hate to admit that I'm struggling to parse it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:44 am I'm struggling to follow both Cape and Scotty at present. They're both making a lot of reads, and I really appreciate that. But I don't quite see a thread that allows me to follow their journey. It's like they're pulling posts out of a hat and commenting on them.

Actually this is probably a more apt criticism for Cape than Scotty. The latter has been catching up.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:20 am Wonder how it must feel to play in this game knowing half your team is AFK and possibly not to return.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:45 am I will murder a zero poster if I feel like it.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

We got 'em bois, pack it up. The fluffy bear was never fooling anyone.

It seems like I should call it a night on the thread then in the absence of well ... activity. Have fun out there!

Town
Bereft

Town -1
Long Con
robyn
LoRab

Townesque
Princess Abigail
S~V~S

JJJ lives dangerously
DarlingMonroe
DrWilgy

Undecided
Thunal33
Michelle

Nothing, which is bad by POE
Seanzie
ts account
RondoDimBuckle

Kinda funky
Scotty
Cape90

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:00 am We got 'em bois, pack it up. The fluffy bear was never fooling anyone.

It seems like I should call it a night on the thread then in the absence of well ... activity. Have fun out there!

Help me bus my zero posting teammate.

jjj, you heavily self censor what you put into the thread, do you ever have thoughts that are just incredibly scummy/anti town and have to consciously not say them even if they're funny/interesting/valid?

I said earlier that DrWilgy was my top town read. That was, of course, silly spam. I was bored. However, I do have a faint town lean based on this guy:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:38 pm Someone tell me the cases for the lead wagons, I'm stuck in work hell and going to see the kids tomorrow so activity/reread time will be light today if at all.

Scotty/Thunal.

Clearly there's a wolf in the Scotty, Bereft, Cape90, Jay realm, so which of these is it?

As Bereft correctly observed, this was the wagon when Wilgy made this post (Scotty receiving votes from Bereft, Cape, and JJJ). Wilgy is a very wagon-oriented hunter, and I think this looks like an authentic bit of "I have no time to actually read, but I can see the poll and come to a conclusion, so here's a conclusion" read.

Grain of salt blah blah, but it's something.

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:06 am jjj, you heavily self censor what you put into the thread, do you ever have thoughts that are just incredibly scummy/anti town and have to consciously not say them even if they're funny/interesting/valid?

Certainly. I censor or carefully cultivate a lot of my posts, even as town. I tend to have a deep consciousness of how people react to things, and I am also conscious of "gamestate" and "thread climate". I am always trying to create a game situation that is optimal for my team, and I end up taking care with what I say to achieve that.

Most of the time.

Sometimes I say silly bullshit too.

i am really not used to not saying everything that comes to mind, usually i just censor what would get me banned/reported

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:09 am i am really not used to not saying everything that comes to mind, usually i just censor what would get me banned/reported

While I don't say everything that comes to mind, I do say most of it. More often than just refraining outright from saying things (barring emotionality or reads I know are too silly), I say what I want to say with careful and deliberate wording and tone. If there are thoughts you wish to express, there are usually ways to do it without encouraging the negative outcomes you wish to avoid.

i had a question which would've effected the odds you got NK'ed due to reasons, and i had to try really hard to not ask it

also had a question to bereft which would've made him side eye me

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:14 am i had a question which would've effected the odds you got NK'ed due to reasons, and i had to try really hard to not ask it

I'll leave that decision to your judgment.

Whatever my "reputation" may be, I seem to be the Night 1 less often than expected. It's always been a bit of a chip on my shoulder.

I was going to ask yall to place bets on which of us 3 is getting NKed but it was ridiculously silly and imprudent.

Thank you robyn for giving the appropriate time and place to allow me to express this.

I don't mind egging on the mafia. They have to manage their own WIFOM with town power. Try it, punks.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:15 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:14 am i had a question which would've effected the odds you got NK'ed due to reasons, and i had to try really hard to not ask it

I'll leave that decision to your judgment.

Whatever my "reputation" may be, I seem to be the Night 1 less often than expected. It's always been a bit of a chip on my shoulder.

my judgement suggests i don't post it, i can't tell whether the question makes u more or less likely, but i just know it's a serious consideration

so like the part of my brain actively thinking suggests i don't ask it, it's just hard/new to me to refrain from talking

Random note: the Trent Crimm role is significantly more valuable in a claimless setup than it might look. Let's make sure we use that ability thoughtfully.

I find questions like that to be +ev in general.

I wouldn't post it due to other considerations, but I think they tend to be fun things to say and ask. Too bad too little people really engage.

Another note: if Scotty is town, that leads me to serious consideration of his suspicion for LoRab. There's a little uncertainty about her crawling in the back of my brain, even as I broadly favor rolling with consensus for now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:24 am Another note: if Scotty is town, that leads me to serious consideration of his suspicion for LoRab. There's a little uncertainty about her crawling in the back of my brain, even as I broadly favor rolling with consensus for now.

this is a thought i dismissed for reasons of recency bias

My game theoretic thought process is this:

The probability of someone just disappearing from the thread is roughly equally likely across alignments. Hence it should not affect the absolute strength of the read I had briefly initially.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:27 am My game theoretic thought process is this:

The probability of someone just disappearing from the thread is roughly equally likely across alignments. Hence it should not affect the absolute strength of the read I had briefly initially.

In the absence of data to provide a concrete answer, I think that's a fair baseline assumption.

The most fundamental cognitive bias in the town game might be the tendency to regard the more recent voices more favorably.

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:20 am cape what's your read on me/scotty?

anyways, I am starting to come around to you being pretty towny this game

you have to ask about my read on scotty?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:34 am Dumb read alert:

DarlingMonroe got started very slowly in Severance (as town). She was preoccupied a bit by having BTSC with Jack as a mason and spent most of her initial playing energy in that space.

Maybe. She's. Preouccupied. Again. By. A. Different. Kind. Of. BTSC.

why would mafia spend most of their time playing in mafia chat?

This is the first time I've noticed DM has exactly 3 posts, I could've sworn they had like 5. And its not even the content I assumed they were.

Sorry for faulty memory guys, but that does not deserve the stock I once had. The posts are still fine but sighhhhh.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:40 am This is the first time I've noticed DM has exactly 3 posts, I could've sworn they had like 5. And its not even the content I assumed they were.

Sorry for faulty memory guys, but that does not deserve the stock I once had. The posts are still fine but sighhhhh.

I recant this post without explanation.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:39 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:34 am Dumb read alert:

DarlingMonroe got started very slowly in Severance (as town). She was preoccupied a bit by having BTSC with Jack as a mason and spent most of her initial playing energy in that space.

Maybe. She's. Preouccupied. Again. By. A. Different. Kind. Of. BTSC.

why would mafia spend most of their time playing in mafia chat?

Many do. Social creatures.

TOWN:

Bereft
JJJ

LIGHT TOWN:

robyn
LoRab
Thunal33

NULL:

Michelle
DM
DrWilgy
S~V~S

LIGHT MAFIA:

Scotty

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:39 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:20 am cape what's your read on me/scotty?

anyways, I am starting to come around to you being pretty towny this game

you have to ask about my read on scotty?

bc he strikes me as towny but ur read would've been more involved so i was curious

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:44 amrobyn

if i had found u as town would i be a confident tr btw?

or do u just respect my wolfgame that much

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:42 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:39 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:34 am Dumb read alert:

DarlingMonroe got started very slowly in Severance (as town). She was preoccupied a bit by having BTSC with Jack as a mason and spent most of her initial playing energy in that space.

Maybe. She's. Preouccupied. Again. By. A. Different. Kind. Of. BTSC.

why would mafia spend most of their time playing in mafia chat?

Many do. Social creatures.

Yeah severance wolf chat was sure busy but that was usually interspersed with presence in main thread also

Like okay you gotta think like wolf, they would want to appear active to some degree

Compare that to DM and Jack in a town neighborhood, like obviously those expectations havent been put on them because DM had no reason totry to appear towny, because she just was town, she had no agenda there.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:15 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:59 pm Cape is also pretty questionable. Will think. New arrivals will be essential.

and then you sheeped me onto scotty because "well scotty has gotten a good deal of suspicion"

What was the purpose of this post?

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:53 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:44 amrobyn

if i had found u as town would i be a confident tr btw?

or do u just respect my wolfgame that much

my answer to this question would always be no so I am not sure why you are asking this

I do generally think your posts are good, but they haven't leapt out at me as really towny like Bereft's recently have honestly. I think around the point when you started questioning my thunal vote while also being on thunal yourself was pretty towny though, and yes all of those listed are in order.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:57 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:15 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:59 pm Cape is also pretty questionable. Will think. New arrivals will be essential.

and then you sheeped me onto scotty because "well scotty has gotten a good deal of suspicion"

What was the purpose of this post?

You literally voted Scotty after I voted/sussed Scotty without any second thought and it bothered me

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:03 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:57 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:15 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:59 pm Cape is also pretty questionable. Will think. New arrivals will be essential.

and then you sheeped me onto scotty because "well scotty has gotten a good deal of suspicion"

What was the purpose of this post?

You literally voted Scotty after I voted/sussed Scotty without any second thought and it bothered me

Why am I in your top town tier with that on my resume?

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:01 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:53 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:44 amrobyn

if i had found u as town would i be a confident tr btw?

or do u just respect my wolfgame that much

my answer to this question would always be no so I am not sure why you are asking this

I do generally think your posts are good, but they haven't leapt out at me as really towny like Bereft's recently have honestly. I think around the point when you started questioning my thunal vote while also being on thunal yourself was pretty towny though, and yes all of those listed are in order.

some people would say yes

understandable, and what do you think about my constant lying so far?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:50 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:45 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:05 pm Your defensiveness over a day 1 read that nobody else agrees with is certainly Intresting though

Your posts are extremely irritating, madam.
Mhm yes, makes 100 posts, gets shaded by a player who admits to not reading any of them critically, yeah I know I'd be so happy after that one, and totally not give in to natural impulses.

How dare I play a mafia game amIrite

@robyn do you think this exchange is in Bereft's range for mafia teammates (i.e., both he and Abigail as mafia)?

I don't actually suspect this, but I have a reason to ask.