The Syndicate

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:36 am I really like these new people. They have personalities, and confidence... it's almost like they are real functioning humans.

Can you be a little less vague and give some more specifics? Like which newer peoples you find townie and what not and which regular folk are more so not human like?

I wasn't speaking to alignment at all

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:21 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:47 pm MP has my vote for now.

Weak. You got no scumreads worth pursuing?

It isn't weak. It's a vote for the sake of having a vote on the board. Hence the "for now."

Funny how you imply here that I couldn't actually suspect MP.

Do you actually suspect MP?

I have no reason not to vote him, which is good enough for now.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:57 am For my next performance, I'll suggest lynching a no-show on D1, which is a little more palatable. /s

How would you decide which no-show to lynch?

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Also, should I try to bulk up my posts so that I'm not doing several little posts back to back? Or do you find the small posts to work for you?

I also don't want to hinder any phone users here, but I don't know your preferences here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:24 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:21 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:47 pm MP has my vote for now.

Weak. You got no scumreads worth pursuing?

It isn't weak. It's a vote for the sake of having a vote on the board. Hence the "for now."

Funny how you imply here that I couldn't actually suspect MP.

Do you actually suspect MP?

Choose your own adventure defense is just as bad as choose your own adventure offense.

“I’m not voting for realzies. How do you know I’m not voting for realzies?”

My vote for MP has stirred something within you.

Cool.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:09 pm *is temporary voting no lynch*

I still want blood this day phase (so I'll be voting for someone else) so that I'll know if my reads are on the right track or if I need to reassess things.

Okay cool but like why even bother?

OWNER OF A SCUMROLE CARD

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:14 pm I dig your Ultra stuff, Speed. I can see a baddie Ultra using me as a compass to navigate through early game. His prod for reads kind of felt iffy to me, like I was getting a vibe that he actually cared what those were lol.

Not sure if I care for this post too much.

If Nova is bad, Ultra would not be with him.

lf Nova is good, that doesn't necessarily confirm or deny Ultra's alignment.

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:53 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:38 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:02 pm I have never seen Epi treat anyone the way he is treating Luxurious. It's almost like he ... likes you?

Is that a good or a bad thing

I would say it's a good thing for you because if he is town I trust his judgement more than most and if he is Mafia I don't think he'd be as blatant at drawing connections between you two.

That being said I did have a conversation with him recently in which he claimed that he prefers to be on Mafia teams that work in union.

so you do have powerwolfing here

Sounds like you mean supertown

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:52 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:09 pm *is temporary voting no lynch*

I still want blood this day phase (so I'll be voting for someone else) so that I'll know if my reads are on the right track or if I need to reassess things.

Okay cool but like why even bother?

I didn't like leaving my vote on JJJ. I haven't decided who I think is scummiest now that JJJ is off the table. I like trying to be in the here and now, but it can't always happen,

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:53 pm OWNER OF A SCUMROLE CARD

oh these are fun,

Mac Of A Cheese?

or

Doug Of A Hole

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:44 pm @Gemma

Why should I move my vote off you?

if you scumread me you shouldn't obv

Oh so I should mislynch you?

Or

Bird Of A Gemma

that could be thing

Epi Of A Closed Hand ... hmm that one needs work; that one doesn't flow right.

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I should get back to reading the thread though.

Thanks for the break, Mac; word play is a lot of fun.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:21 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:47 pm MP has my vote for now.

Weak. You got no scumreads worth pursuing?

It isn't weak. It's a vote for the sake of having a vote on the board. Hence the "for now."

Funny how you imply here that I couldn't actually suspect MP.

Do you actually suspect MP?

I have no reason not to vote him, which is good enough for now.

We both know that’s not what I asked but imma let you off the hook.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:49 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:24 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:21 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:47 pm MP has my vote for now.

Weak. You got no scumreads worth pursuing?

It isn't weak. It's a vote for the sake of having a vote on the board. Hence the "for now."

Funny how you imply here that I couldn't actually suspect MP.

Do you actually suspect MP?

Choose your own adventure defense is just as bad as choose your own adventure offense.

“I’m not voting for realzies. How do you know I’m not voting for realzies?”

My vote for MP has stirred something within you.

Cool.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:04 am

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:44 pm @Gemma

Why should I move my vote off you?

if you scumread me you shouldn't obv

Oh so I should mislynch you?

whichever response gets you to scumread me more

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:39 pm
You're mistaking defensive with constant offense

I didn't like his entrance so that's where the shade is coming from. I figured he was messing around with the no lynch 'cause I know the dude, and I didn't really see any motivation behind it although I agree that it's whack. Been feeling good about him with his recent reappearance, we're mind-melding.

*hmm Nova could be with Speedy if that is a thing....hmmm

scum sometimes unconsciously correct players for making wrong conclusions or thoughts related to them

I guess I'm kind of curious why he's mentioning the mind-melding now or more so as an after thought, though maybe he said it earlier...idk

but multiple people are reading speedy town, but I still don't know what to think or where to draw the line with him...hmm

[VOTE: novaselinenever] aubergine

emoji/emoticon tell is kind of bugging me

Your posting a lot of emojis that relate to scum or evil mentality.

For now, that's what a got.

I guess I don't see a motivation for a townie player to be giving off such a vibe, but we don't necessarily pick which vibes we exhibit from player to player, so yeah..I forgot where I was going with this.

Two of my three civilians are voting nova.

That's suits me just fine and I don't mind if I join them.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:02 pm Jay why are you ignoring my existence? I have two votes and you have said diddly squat to me? Do you fear me?

I've been devoting my attention primarily to the newer people. What do you think of those votes on you? I checked your own post history up to the point of this gripe you've directed upon me.

nova: you seem to be his best friend. He voted for you quite a while ago, and your responses were " " and "why r u voting me bb".

RDW: you called him a traitor. The end.

I don't see much indication that you've said diddly squat to the two voters about whom you are implying I should care enough to myself say diddly squat.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:11 pm Because he says nothing after this until he votes for me without a reason.

RDW/Jay are teammates. They are probably fucking right now.

What about those specific RDW posts is indicative of distancing? You pulled this out of a random word generator.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:23 pm Let me say it in other words.

Nova asking questions is not a reason to scum read him. It is also an argument that I was tempted to make when I was scum because I had nothing better to say.

Weak case making dressed in the guise of good case making.

DDL is bad. Back to DDL.

Do you give the slightest sliver of a shit that nova is voting for you?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:25 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:17 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:23 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:23 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:46 pmHey

What got you so scared?

Huh?

This is a mafioso. Lock it in Eddie.

What

Hey

Huh

What

What are you fucking Timbaland?

lol

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:36 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:23 pm Let me say it in other words.

Nova asking questions is not a reason to scum read him. It is also an argument that I was tempted to make when I was scum because I had nothing better to say.

Weak case making dressed in the guise of good case making.

DDL is bad. Back to DDL.

Do you give the slightest sliver of a shit that nova is voting for you?

Until he explains himself I am just going to assume that it was a "do something" prod.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:33 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:02 pm Jay why are you ignoring my existence? I have two votes and you have said diddly squat to me? Do you fear me?

I've been devoting my attention primarily to the newer people. What do you think of those votes on you? I checked your own post history up to the point of this gripe you've directed upon me.

nova: you seem to be his best friend. He voted for you quite a while ago, and your responses were " " and "why r u voting me bb".

RDW: you called him a traitor. The end.

I don't see much indication that you've said diddly squat to the two voters about whom you are implying I should care enough to myself say diddly squat.

I think the votes on me are a) Nova prodding me and b) RDW being a biatch.

I haven't said diddly squat to either of them because I have engaged them since they voted and neither have replied yet.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:23 pm Let me say it in other words.

Nova asking questions is not a reason to scum read him. It is also an argument that I was tempted to make when I was scum because I had nothing better to say.

Weak case making dressed in the guise of good case making.

DDL is bad. Back to DDL.

The case aint just "nova is asking questions"

If nova was asking questions and also tunneling the fuck out of someone while being a general pain in the ass it would be fine.

He's just prodding random peoplr all game. I'm yet to see if he intends to do anything with those answers. Like, you know, scumhunting.

This is where you lose me. I would say that in recent memory nova has been an aggressive and assertive civilian. To be a guy who tunnels-the-fuck-out-of-someone is a more specific notion though, and it's a lot to ask that someone fit into that narrow meta ideation. He's at least taking stances and engaging a wide body of the player roster. Good facilitation.

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:57 pm epig shaded jjj with what i thought was a really bad question

Tell me more.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:02 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:37 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:41 pm Owner/ Gemma

Thoughts

It usually isn't my style to build interactive reads without a mafia flip in the thread. Owner's read on Gemma seemed pointless though, as did her read on MP. They're neutral commentary about the future of the game rather than a present development of a stance. Those are bad things re: Owner in isolation regardless of the other two.

Okay so what’s the reason to include the other two? Lip service? Shade?

To look the part. Reads lists are sexy.

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:31 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:02 pm

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:05 pm i don't really have any reads of the townread/scumread type rn sorry

50 posts to arrive here

[VOTE: Gemma] aubergine

would you prefer it if i listed some random hard reads and made up reasons for them

Some real reads would be super.

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:28 pm his reads so far are kind of rigid and one-dimensional-ish which is a little concerning but i'm still getting a sense of his process and given the level he seems to be playing at i think things like his mood and approach to me might be more alignment indicative, so he mostly just ends up at null. if you think there is anything he's done that is very alignment indicative for him i would love to hear it

This is a good description in a roundabout way of my trouble with you: I am not getting a sense of your process. Your post history is a casserole of thoughts all splayed in a frying pan. When will you extract bits from the mess and form conclusions? Here's a prompt:

I'd like to know what your present read is on Epignosis.

Finals week begins and now I find myself talking to the wind.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:40 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:36 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:23 pm Let me say it in other words.

Nova asking questions is not a reason to scum read him. It is also an argument that I was tempted to make when I was scum because I had nothing better to say.

Weak case making dressed in the guise of good case making.

DDL is bad. Back to DDL.

Do you give the slightest sliver of a shit that nova is voting for you?

Until he explains himself I am just going to assume that it was a "do something" prod.

That's a kind assumption. Why

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:34 pm I think Jay and Epi are teammates. They haven't attacked each other yet.

It seems like 85% of games since 2016 have featured some damned shit spew with him and/or Jack. Meh.

I read nova's posts (yes, after I voted for him- I am above chronology ).

I'm not impressed.

The first sixteen posts are mainly dicking around.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:07 pm I don't like Soneji's entrance. I get the timid ones, especially for someone new to the community and the site but the old cracking a joke as an ice-breaker followed by absolutely nothing is shit.

"Someone new to the community" is like half the field, and these people are decidedly not timid.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:39 am

Ultra wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:41 pm @novaselinenever

Reads please

I'm currently beefing with Rundon'twalk and Soneji. I'm not really buying the formers concern with Jay sticking him as good early on, and the whole "he knows I play the same as both alignments" is whack. That has never stopped people from forming read, let alone gut ones. If what he claims is true and Jay knows him well, he should also know Jay well and that flinging poo early on alongside sticking people with an alignment based on first impression is his bread and butter. I think I talked about Soneji's entrance sometime earlier.

The whole no lynch thing is hilarious, and I'm more intrigued by DDL jumping on Speed than the latter making that claim. I took it as him messing around, 'cause I don't believe for a second that he's serious about it.

I can't say I'm a fan of you calling out the vote on DDL, nor throwing around fancy words like "chainsaw defense". Feels like over-compensating

DDL gets his Fruit of the Looms in a wad over things sometimes, and he spoke up about this one.

If DDL were bad here, and there's a guy in the thread pushing a Day 1 no-lynch (even when it's obvious he's not doing that), why go to bat? Stay in the dugout.

Also fuck these ball players today.

nova has asked a lot of questions but has not meaningfully followed up on them. Here's an example. There are thirty-four question marks in nova's posting history, and he has forty-two posts. I know some of those question marks belong to other people, but damn. He doesn't go anywhere with any of them.

Holy shit bananas, there are even questions without question marks.

And so little follow through.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:40 am Epi isn't making a whole lot of sense

This is devoid of both punctuation and clarity.

Maybe he meant it to be a question.

I'm comfortable with my nova vote. My hope is that he gets lynched, is revealed to be mafia, and will henceforth and forever be monitoring his question mark usage.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:38 pm -His retreat after being confronted for his vote on Chuck was just bad. It just reeked of trying to appear better after realizing how bad they looked for what they did. This kinda self-awareness is very much from a scum POV and him admitting to it ain't really that much either as something so obvious, you're better off admitting then trying to find excuses.

I don't quite understand the highlighted portion. Please restate somehow. And then tell me what you think a civilian DDL does in this situation to recover from his derp moment.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:58 am

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:28 pm his reads so far are kind of rigid and one-dimensional-ish which is a little concerning but i'm still getting a sense of his process and given the level he seems to be playing at i think things like his mood and approach to me might be more alignment indicative, so he mostly just ends up at null. if you think there is anything he's done that is very alignment indicative for him i would love to hear it

This is a good description in a roundabout way of my trouble with you: I am not getting a sense of your process. Your post history is a casserole of thoughts all splayed in a frying pan. When will you extract bits from the mess and form conclusions? Here's a prompt:

I'd like to know what your present read is on Epignosis.

Privileged Shady Gaslighting Powerwolf.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:34 pm I think Jay and Epi are teammates. They haven't attacked each other yet.

I’m honestly scumreading Jay for not scumreading me yet.

Just be yourself and I am sure your time will come.

I thought your initial impressions of the DDL/speedchuck incident looked authentic.

I have to go to bed or I'm going to run into a school bus on the way to work tomorrow.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:14 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:55 am Civilians be more civilian, k

I wish Dizzy were here. He would buddy some people and be super kawai for words. (and cat pictures)

Every game is improved with Dizzy present. Ensure they know I said so.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:56 am
I'm bugged that Owner tacked on with nova here and then wrote this big vague essay about me being "different", whatever that means.

I didn't really tack on. I was already having thoughts in that direction, and highly doubt my past experience/reasoning overlapped with his reason for saying that.

Could be. [mention]novaselinenever[/mention] you still haven't told me what had you underwhelmed.

nova is my preferred lynch.
Gemma I suspect.
MP is a fine default lynch if one is necessary.

I do not approve of a DDL, Luxurious or Owner lynch at this time.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:39 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:22 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:17 am Always bad until I'm convinced otherwise.

Is that everyone or just yourself? I'm asking for a friend. *is curious* * (not related) wants to hear from M Plus 7*

JJJ often gets a pass in my experience for his voluminous content. I give him no such pass.

That said, I believe lynching him Day 1 is -EV in the long term, and thus will not be voting for him today.

What the hell did you just say?

All that to say that I like the direction of Day 1. Great success.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:29 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:39 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:22 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:17 am Always bad until I'm convinced otherwise.

Is that everyone or just yourself? I'm asking for a friend. *is curious* * (not related) wants to hear from M Plus 7*

JJJ often gets a pass in my experience for his voluminous content. I give him no such pass.

That said, I believe lynching him Day 1 is -EV in the long term, and thus will not be voting for him today.

What the hell did you just say?

Negative expected value. Meaning that I do not believe that lynching you Day 1 is a good long term strategy. If you're good, you do work. If you're bad, you can expose yourself and get caught later. Losing a civilian hustler early is a bad thing in general.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:46 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:36 am I really like these new people. They have personalities, and confidence... it's almost like they are real functioning humans.

Can you be a little less vague and give some more specifics? Like which newer peoples you find townie and what not and which regular folk are more so not human like?

I'm adding Owner to the good list.

That's one...two...three civilians!

Ah ah ah.

~The Count~

Whenever you're not at risk of running into a school bus, I'd like to know why you liked that particular post from Owner.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:31 am Negative expected value. Meaning that I do not believe that lynching you Day 1 is a good long term strategy. If you're good, you do work. If you're bad, you can expose yourself and get caught later. Losing a civilian hustler early is a bad thing in general.

Right I get the term. I just spent a couple minutes laughing at my laptop screen because you utilized that lingo.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:33 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:46 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:36 am I really like these new people. They have personalities, and confidence... it's almost like they are real functioning humans.

Can you be a little less vague and give some more specifics? Like which newer peoples you find townie and what not and which regular folk are more so not human like?

I'm adding Owner to the good list.

That's one...two...three civilians!

Ah ah ah.

~The Count~

Whenever you're not at risk of running into a school bus, I'd like to know why you liked that particular post from Owner.

It's innocent. Owner went out of the way to challenge Mac on something even though 1) Mac was not talking about their alignments (as he clarified) and 2) it could get Mac talking about Owner. I dig it.

I would murder MP for the crime of exuding excitement about the game and then

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:33 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:31 am Negative expected value. Meaning that I do not believe that lynching you Day 1 is a good long term strategy. If you're good, you do work. If you're bad, you can expose yourself and get caught later. Losing a civilian hustler early is a bad thing in general.

Right I get the term. I just spent a couple minutes laughing at my laptop screen because you utilized that lingo.

You do know about my relationship with sports, right?

Getting 5 hours of sleep is -EV too.

Good night.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:35 am It's innocent. Owner went out of the way to challenge Mac on something even though 1) Mac was not talking about their alignments (as he clarified) and 2) it could get Mac talking about Owner. I dig it.

Okay. Point 1 is a nice one, in that Owner denied Mac the privilege to make a gentle, cozy post and turned it into something relevant.