Jack Attack Mafia (Day 5)

[Hally]

DRWILGY
SPRITYO
SPACEDAISY
WISP

bad
bad
good
good

[Millium]

NANOOK
FUNNYGURL555
JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
HALLY

Bad
Bad
Good
Good

[Epignosis]

NANOOK Good
FUNNYGURL555 Bad
JAGGEDJIMMYJAY Goof
HALLY Good

Gotem

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JAGGEDJIMMYJAY Goof

[Long Con]

Are we done?

[Hally]

COLINISCOOL
LONG CON
TONYSTARKPRIME

bad
bad
good

[Alison]

How does anyone have a good read on a zero poster

cool = good

[JaggedJimmyJay]

How does anyone have a good read on a zero poster

Default by the probabilities. For me at least anyone with zero or barely-not-zero posts is still in the suspect pool.

[Hally]

NANOOK
FUNNYGURL555
JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
HALLY

good
good
good
awesome

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Okay I'll compile the chart. I realize not everyone cares for this exercise, so I appreciate y'all humoring me anyway.

[Spacedaisy]

I was surprised by how many I am feeling wishy washy about.

[Millium]

How does anyone have a good read on a zero poster

well given that the point of the game is to force a read on everyone,
I am not going to call a no-poster bad when they haven't even made a post

[Alison]

I maintain that zero or near-zero posters should be treated as null because 99% of the time zero posters don't post because of NAI things like real life obligations or lack of interest in the game (I guess this is scummy if you're in a "I hate rolling scum" meta but that's borderline angleshooty and I don't care to take it into consideration unless it's very strongly meta indicative of a specific player).

[Hally]

I was surprised by how many I am feeling wishy washy about.

towny post

[Alison]

The next time someone makes me do GTH I'm going to purposely GTH myself as bad just to see how they'll read it

[Alison]

Now that everyone is here please tell me what you think of my Hally/FG theory

[sprityo]

Epignosis is a civilian for shitting in my cereal when I wasn't here yet.

Hally is a civilian for being the first miller claim and for displaying ~[the energy]~

Wisp is a civilian for ordering me to vote for a dude before I determined I agreed with him.

sabie12 is a civilian for acknowledging the miller claim pile in a way that suggests she doesn't give a crap.

Also yeah this

and then you going about using this as your own defense makes the above mean so much less

it's even better when you realize this was posted before my first post and i missed it the first time

[Millium]

If we set aside the "how does scum Hally know there's a Miller" question I think I'd be scumleaning on them. I do think their individual vibe is townie but their interactions with FG I think are scummy and it's easier to fake individual actions than interactions, especially with a scumbuddy.

well given that you think they give a town vibe on an individualistic level, and we don't know what FG will flip even though I am leaning towards mafia, I think it's pretty gross

I think it's easier to fake interactions than an individual's actions, so let's agree to disagree there

[Alison]

If we set aside the "how does scum Hally know there's a Miller" question I think I'd be scumleaning on them. I do think their individual vibe is townie but their interactions with FG I think are scummy and it's easier to fake individual actions than interactions, especially with a scumbuddy.

well given that you think they give a town vibe on an individualistic level, and we don't know what FG will flip even though I am leaning towards mafia, I think it's pretty gross

I think it's easier to fake interactions than an individual's actions, so let's agree to disagree there

I don't understand why the uncertainty behind FG's flip makes my read on their interactions less valid.

[Hally]

Now that everyone is here please tell me what you think of my Hally/FG theory

its bunk

[Millium]

Epignosis is a civilian for shitting in my cereal when I wasn't here yet.

Hally is a civilian for being the first miller claim and for displaying ~[the energy]~

Wisp is a civilian for ordering me to vote for a dude before I determined I agreed with him.

sabie12 is a civilian for acknowledging the miller claim pile in a way that suggests she doesn't give a crap.

Also yeah this

and then you going about using this as your own defense makes the above mean so much less

it's even better when you realize this was posted before my first post and i missed it the first time

wait, you weren't even mentioned in that post... why did I said that...
Why didnt anyone call me out

why did you respond like that?

[Millium]

ya I thought you were highlighting a post about yourself
woops

[Alison]

Why did nobody pick up my theory when I mentioned it and then everyone goes from online and present for the GTH game to vanishing immediately when I mentioned it again

[JaggedJimmyJay]

LC skipped the last GTH block.

[Millium]

Why did nobody pick up my theory when I mentioned it and then everyone goes from online and present for the GTH game to vanishing immediately when I mentioned it again

I responded

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why did nobody pick up my theory when I mentioned it and then everyone goes from online and present for the GTH game to vanishing immediately when I mentioned it again

I support you in your desire to extract answers for your grievances. Question to your heart's content.

I am not moved personally. Hally is my strongest civilian read in the game, and a pre-flip association with Funnygurl doesn't change that. I don't think the association is particularly compelling either.

[Alison]

What I'm doing is not a pre-flip association. A pre-flip association is weak because it is susceptible to exactly what Wisp said. If Hally is scum only they have an association with FG and I think FG is scum, then my reads are a house of cards - if FG flips town then the Hally read is totally invalidated.

But that is not what I am doing. I am pointing to a behavior that they are both engaging in - awkward interaction - and saying that it is behavior that reflects badly on both of them and makes them both more likely to be scum.

Also Hally admitted themselves that the interaction was awkward - they said "it's a good case if not for the fact that I'm town", which they wouldn't say if they didn't agree that the interaction was in fact awkward and did to some degree make them both look like scum buddies.

[KitsuShel]

I am here and trying to catch up. Holy crap, y’alls play style is hella different than what I’m used to.

What are you used to?

I play on HCRealms, and it’s not quite as active as here, lol. It’s just a little different and taking some getting used to.

[Millium]

[mention]Alison[/mention]
are those interactions in your ISO? if not can you point them out again

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Comments coming soon.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What I'm doing is not a pre-flip association. A pre-flip association is weak because it is susceptible to exactly what Wisp said. If Hally is scum only they have an association with FG and I think FG is scum, then my reads are a house of cards - if FG flips town then the Hally read is totally invalidated.

But that is not what I am doing. I am pointing to a behavior that they are both engaging in - awkward interaction - and saying that it is behavior that reflects badly on both of them and makes them both more likely to be scum.

Also Hally admitted themselves that the interaction was awkward - they said "it's a good case if not for the fact that I'm town", which they wouldn't say if they didn't agree that the interaction was in fact awkward and did to some degree make them both look like scum buddies.

I have further thoughts, but I'd prefer Hally and FG each respond on their own before I do.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

How does anyone have a good read on a zero poster

well given that the point of the game is to force a read on everyone,
I am not going to call a no-poster bad when they haven't even made a post

I am! If you don’t post you can die tbh

[Alison]

Comments coming soon.

Woohoo, I'm lock town! Sheep my reads everyone.

[Alison]

I just GTHed the no-posters based on the vibe I got from their name lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My confidence in various active players suggests some mafia presence among the players with few or no posts. I could beef with Wilgy for having bothered to make a post last night while the game was still moving without attempting any meaningful involvement.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Fair or not I expect Hally to be better at the game than getting caught off “awkward convo with a partner early D1”

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also yes I agree there’s very likely at least one if not more scum in the zero to very low posters.

[TonyStarkPrime]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

this probably has negative reprecussions for me, but
vote for yourself

Why does this have negative repercussions for you?

I was making guesses about your role.

[TonyStarkPrime]

how are there so many posts the morning isn't for mafia

[Funnygurl555]

How does anyone have a good read on a zero poster

ding ding ding

[TonyStarkPrime]

@TonyStarkPrime

I'm sick of watching you suffer tragic losses. If you're a civilian, please do me a favor and make it as plain to me as possible. You don't have to play at the level of Game 7 if you don't have that in you right now, but please try to show me those goods. I think you're reasonably readable as long as you want to be.

Has TSP done anything to make you react like this?

This post confuses me greatliy

lost like five games in a row in absolutely terrible fashion.
jay is offering to save me.

[Funnygurl555]

I was surprised by how many I am feeling wishy washy about.

towny post

literally caught a wolf in a turbo last night off the same thing

[Funnygurl555]

What I'm doing is not a pre-flip association. A pre-flip association is weak because it is susceptible to exactly what Wisp said. If Hally is scum only they have an association with FG and I think FG is scum, then my reads are a house of cards - if FG flips town then the Hally read is totally invalidated.

But that is not what I am doing. I am pointing to a behavior that they are both engaging in - awkward interaction - and saying that it is behavior that reflects badly on both of them and makes them both more likely to be scum.

Also Hally admitted themselves that the interaction was awkward - they said "it's a good case if not for the fact that I'm town", which they wouldn't say if they didn't agree that the interaction was in fact awkward and did to some degree make them both look like scum buddies.

I have further thoughts, but I'd prefer Hally and FG each respond on their own before I do.

to what?

[Funnygurl555]

Also yes I agree there’s very likely at least one if not more scum in the zero to very low posters.

literally rand%

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also yes I agree there’s very likely at least one if not more scum in the zero to very low posters.

literally rand%

Why is that equal to a random distribution?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also yes I agree there’s very likely at least one if not more scum in the zero to very low posters.

literally rand%

Based on game state/other townreads, decent amount of rand imo

[TonyStarkPrime]

if im being as generous as i can i can call these people town

epi
jay
wisp
space
nanook
tony
alison
sabie

this already feels like too many town reads for this stage in the game, but that’s par for the course for me. i promise i’ll reevaluate at some point

where does the town read on sabie come from? Had you brought it up before?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

*decent amount above rand

[Hally]

Why did nobody pick up my theory when I mentioned it and then everyone goes from online and present for the GTH game to vanishing immediately when I mentioned it again

this sentiment of “why isnt anyone paying attention to my ideas” is >rand town ime because town actually care about getting people to engage with their ideas

not unfakeable but its a ~good sign

[Funnygurl555]

Also yes I agree there’s very likely at least one if not more scum in the zero to very low posters.

literally rand%

Why is that equal to a random distribution?

if we assume a 3:1 wolf ratio, there's likely at least a wolf in the low - no posters.

anyways everyone except you have too many "bads" to make sense really. 1. and 2. where the hell did spacedaisy's reads even come from? or the sprityo reads. are you guys really gonna miskill him again? i think the blanket suspicion is a good look imo but eh it's too early to form any type of read on that slot

y'all

y'all