Re: The Lion King [Day 1]
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:33 am
anyway i really have to go rip.
That is probably correct. Though I would say I operate with multiple possible worlds on top of each other. Also, the deeper insights you have, the more I worry about you being scum. So that's fun.Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:45 amI don't townread Michelle.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:40 am Alright. I see your reasoning. Why do you town read Michelle though, and also Proto? I have them both as possible lynches today, does that make me suspicious too? What do you think about me town reading Scirrus, considering I know him pretty well. I wish I could explain my read better actually, and I'd hate to be wrong on this. But I really don't see the scum there.
Not going to justify my townread on proto unless he gets close to banishment.
I don't think you're suspicious, just looking in the wrong directions. I also think that you're the type of player who builds an understanding of a couple of players' alignments, then uses that to build a broader understanding of the game as a whole. Is that wrong? If that's how you look at the game, it would make sense to me that one wrong read would lead to others.
I didn't say it's only scum dizzy. It can also be town dizzy who is trying to kill town. They must both be stopped if possible.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:31 amI have one more question: Last game you said multiple times that you were suspicious of people town reading you and that you thought people should push you or suspect you more, at least from how I remember it. Why is your reaction to me pushing you that I must be scum now?protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:40 amIt's cool you townread me but I have no idea why you townread me.
Nope. You're still kinda nullish for me - I just don't get a strong read off your posts. Sorry if you're town! The fact that you're being pushed as the counterwagon to Michelle, who I think is scum, is sort of promising and it's why I won't support your execution today.
I was confused and seeking clarification. Nothing in our interactions felt like something that should strike off W/W to me, so I wanted to know MP7's perspective to better understand her thinking.tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:33 amim curious what are your intentions behind this post ali? cuz like, u already have mp7 as high town, i doubt u ask this to solve her alignment.
so like, were you just thinking out loud / like did it bother you that something that u perceive as illogical was said so u felt the need to argue it, just for the sake of arguing something that u think is wrong? or some other reason?
I mean, I was one of the people saying that, and I've seen you as both so rip I guess. Tbh I'm more so hoping you are town atm. And it's probably fair to say I should do more to solve your alignment. I don't want to yeet you today, but I also don't want to lose lolAlison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:36 am I've noticed when I was catching up quite a few people saying stuff along the lines of "I don't know how to read Alison". That's fine. But usually, I'd expect someone to ask me to describe my meta, or explain the differences between me being town and me being scum so they can read me better. Or even to ask the people I last played with what I was like.
I don't know what to make of this, but it bothered me a little so I'm writing it down.
I'm a liiiitle uncomfortable with how angleshooty this read feels, but I guess it's not that different from a meta read of "1612 would put in more effort if they were scum so they wouldn't let their team down". I'll accept this read.protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:19 amthis guy is like lock town.
bit of background on 1612. Nicest guy ever. Also, fabulous hair. Just amazing. The best. We often have to wait for him to finish blowdrying it before we can start a voice mafia game with him. We wait for him because hes awesome.
So anyway, if he was mafia, he would just skip sleep and post so as to not let down his mafia team. He is only floating the idea of having someone else sub in because he is town and doesnt feel like he would be letting down a team.
my 2 cents, take it or leave it since its basically an entirely OGI read.
Clear me off of volume instead.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:02 am Also lol, Michelle, I don't think clearing MP off of volume is how reading MP works imo. It's like clearing Hally on volume which is lol. Do you not think she can post as much as scum?
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:28 am What do people think about yeeting Alison just to see how she'd flip? Cause I think that would be pretty fun tbh tbh
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:44 amClear me off of volume instead.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:02 am Also lol, Michelle, I don't think clearing MP off of volume is how reading MP works imo. It's like clearing Hally on volume which is lol. Do you not think she can post as much as scum?![]()
Wait what?
If it's worth anything, Dizzy, I thought you were town the whole time.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:25 amI was so fucking not in the null pile. I was obvious to town to anyone who knows me. I'd advice listening to that. I'll be damned if this happens again. I know I have obvious self bias, but this is how I feel.protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:21 amDizzy was in a null pile for ages and then we enacted the kill 4 plan which was a disaster. I take credit for that disaster too.
I didn't really butt heads with dizzy because I was too busy tunnelling epi. Fun times.
i guess impatience. i want maf to use their kill on someone in our poeAlison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:56 amWait what?
tutuu if you genuinely thought this was a PR soft why would you out Scirrus instead of quietly switching your vote to Michelle?
I was first pinged by this post. I didn't like the mental gymnastics here - at once she simultaneously acknowledges that it was a joke from tutuu, and at the same time says that we should scumread tutuu for it. That doesn't really make sense to me - and it reads like an attempt to shade tutuu.
This part rang as suspicious as well. Michelle's tone has come across as being rather uncomfortable this game. Not rushed, not cramped or curt, but uncomfortable. When she says she doesn't like playing scum - then I am inclined to suspect that the source of her discomfort is her role card.
This post is really bad, and it's a continuation of the behavior I described earlier - lazily picking out something objectionable to scumread and calling it bad to shade that player. If Michelle is town here, why does she think of herself as exebait? She hasn't posted anything overtly scummy, and she hasn't even let on that she's going to be relatively inactive at the time I "jumped" on her. She's not a chronically misexecuted player either - she's a Champs level player. I think she doesn't actually think she's exebait - she's just looking for a reason to make me look bad (she even calls it nagl - not a good look).
The MP7 volume clear is lazy. If you're good enough to be in Champs, you're good enough to know that scum can have a high volume of posts. The suspicion on her wagon feels like lashing out in an OMGUS-y way. Specifically, the claim that we're voting her for NAI posts is suspect. Her post literally had an FoS on tutuu. Is that NAI? I don't think so. I think it's just Michelle - yet again - making up reasons to frame people's actions in a bad light, in a way that looks plausible on the surface (or to someone skimming the game because they're busy, like her), but that doesn't stand up to careful examination.
My preferred banishments are Scirrus >> Alison > jeraldooo.
Why do all these people have scum equity over Michelle?Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:23 amMy preferred banishments are Scirrus >> Alison > jeraldooo.
Unfortunately I don't have high hopes for Scirrus getting banished, given the PR claim he's thrown out.
Also unfortunately I'm under pressure to decide my vote early since I won't be around for deadline.
I'll be very eager to hear what M is postgame so I can fake it when I'm scum.tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:21 am I believe ive explained all of my reads in detail except alison
I will confess that the reason is purely selfish. as in, she believes that you can only catch her based off of reasons X Y Z which she had previously told me. i believe ive caught her as town based off of reason M and i dont wanna disclose M
Too bad cuz unlike you im selfish and i dont reveal stuff like that willy nilly :PAlison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:25 amI'll be very eager to hear what M is postgame so I can fake it when I'm scum.tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:21 am I believe ive explained all of my reads in detail except alison
I will confess that the reason is purely selfish. as in, she believes that you can only catch her based off of reasons X Y Z which she had previously told me. i believe ive caught her as town based off of reason M and i dont wanna disclose M
No, I didn't mean "why is X scummy". I meant "why is X scummier than Michelle". I'd like you to weigh your reasons for scumreading them against my stated case against Michelle, and explain why you don't believe in my case as much.
Michelle, now that uve claimed villy, what do u think about the fact that I said u were pr? I'm never voting u btwprotocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:22 amso someone asked me later in the read what bits I disagree with from Lav.Lavender wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:01 pm hi everybody please enjoy the following reads which i had a great time making and consist of a combination of my brain and heart
notes:
1612 - if he ever says "oh no" it's a sure sign of absolutely nothing because its nai. we play all the time on mafia.gg. if he doesn't tunnel me he is likely mafia. if he does tunnel me we're both town
Alison - gut townread, i like the early reaction test voting on michelle cuz it's something i do a lot, will be watching to see if it was really a reaction test or something else
cobbler - gut scum read
Dyslexicon - they and mp7 are not both scum, see below ⬇
jeraldooo - now u may or may not know this but jeraldoo and i have a psychic connection where we can pretty much always townread each other when we are both town. on the other hand we also townread each when one of us is mafia and one of us is town. or at least when i'm mafia and he's town. i don't actually know if this holds true if we are both mafia. but anyway i'm gonna bus him if he doesn't show up soon
Long Con - gut scum read, i don't like the warning to dyslexicon about mplus7
Michelle - probably pr, come at me
M Plus 7: apparently universally townread. into transparency. has lots of interaction with dyslexicon. so...doubt they are both scum
proto - in mafia.gg and daily mafia my scumtells for proto are scumreading someone quickly d1 and then backing off. so i'm watching to see if he backs off urist. on the other hand he put a lot of effort into his reads. but i guess that's the point of forum. also proto and i aren't both scum cuz would we really use the same format of posting notes, hell no we wouldn't, like i actually copy pasted it, come on now
Scirrus - putting lots of effort into their posts, but i townread them more than urist
tutuuu - town, i like their style. this is probably going to be my gut tr that causes me to lose the game for town in f3, which will be an excellent opportunity for me to become the forum player i was born to be, next game of course
Urist - posted scar poem, nai all the way down. putting lots of effort into their posts. i kinda want to vote them to pocket proto, also they seem like the kind of town player that mafia would be scared to push, so we can just banish them and then vote the nonvoters when they flip blue, game solved pog
so long story short i'm voting long con. now i have to figure out how to vote, hold up
Cobbler being scum. nah
I disagree they should gut scumread LC. There isnt enough to read LC at all.
Michelle being PR. I get no PR vibes at all.
what makes u say that?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:36 pm
I don't know where to begin with this post.Lavender wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:01 pm hi everybody please enjoy the following reads which i had a great time making and consist of a combination of my brain and heart
notes:
1612 - if he ever says "oh no" it's a sure sign of absolutely nothing because its nai. we play all the time on mafia.gg. if he doesn't tunnel me he is likely mafia. if he does tunnel me we're both town
Alison - gut townread, i like the early reaction test voting on michelle cuz it's something i do a lot, will be watching to see if it was really a reaction test or something else
cobbler - gut scum read
Dyslexicon - they and mp7 are not both scum, see below ⬇
jeraldooo - now u may or may not know this but jeraldoo and i have a psychic connection where we can pretty much always townread each other when we are both town. on the other hand we also townread each when one of us is mafia and one of us is town. or at least when i'm mafia and he's town. i don't actually know if this holds true if we are both mafia. but anyway i'm gonna bus him if he doesn't show up soon
Long Con - gut scum read, i don't like the warning to dyslexicon about mplus7
Michelle - probably pr, come at me
M Plus 7: apparently universally townread. into transparency. has lots of interaction with dyslexicon. so...doubt they are both scum
proto - in mafia.gg and daily mafia my scumtells for proto are scumreading someone quickly d1 and then backing off. so i'm watching to see if he backs off urist. on the other hand he put a lot of effort into his reads. but i guess that's the point of forum. also proto and i aren't both scum cuz would we really use the same format of posting notes, hell no we wouldn't, like i actually copy pasted it, come on now
Scirrus - putting lots of effort into their posts, but i townread them more than urist
tutuuu - town, i like their style. this is probably going to be my gut tr that causes me to lose the game for town in f3, which will be an excellent opportunity for me to become the forum player i was born to be, next game of course
Urist - posted scar poem, nai all the way down. putting lots of effort into their posts. i kinda want to vote them to pocket proto, also they seem like the kind of town player that mafia would be scared to push, so we can just banish them and then vote the nonvoters when they flip blue, game solved pog
so long story short i'm voting long con. now i have to figure out how to vote, hold up
Are you mafia? Cause I feel yes. Can you talk a little bit about how you're used to playing and how long you've played?
your question warrants a better response but i can't be bothered rn. i'll try to get something in before the vote closes today but it will probably be this evening, more likely. for now i hope u will accept this shitty pocket and implicit townreadLavender wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:55 amwhat makes u say that?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:36 pm
I don't know where to begin with this post.Lavender wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:01 pm hi everybody please enjoy the following reads which i had a great time making and consist of a combination of my brain and heart
notes:
1612 - if he ever says "oh no" it's a sure sign of absolutely nothing because its nai. we play all the time on mafia.gg. if he doesn't tunnel me he is likely mafia. if he does tunnel me we're both town
Alison - gut townread, i like the early reaction test voting on michelle cuz it's something i do a lot, will be watching to see if it was really a reaction test or something else
cobbler - gut scum read
Dyslexicon - they and mp7 are not both scum, see below ⬇
jeraldooo - now u may or may not know this but jeraldoo and i have a psychic connection where we can pretty much always townread each other when we are both town. on the other hand we also townread each when one of us is mafia and one of us is town. or at least when i'm mafia and he's town. i don't actually know if this holds true if we are both mafia. but anyway i'm gonna bus him if he doesn't show up soon
Long Con - gut scum read, i don't like the warning to dyslexicon about mplus7
Michelle - probably pr, come at me
M Plus 7: apparently universally townread. into transparency. has lots of interaction with dyslexicon. so...doubt they are both scum
proto - in mafia.gg and daily mafia my scumtells for proto are scumreading someone quickly d1 and then backing off. so i'm watching to see if he backs off urist. on the other hand he put a lot of effort into his reads. but i guess that's the point of forum. also proto and i aren't both scum cuz would we really use the same format of posting notes, hell no we wouldn't, like i actually copy pasted it, come on now
Scirrus - putting lots of effort into their posts, but i townread them more than urist
tutuuu - town, i like their style. this is probably going to be my gut tr that causes me to lose the game for town in f3, which will be an excellent opportunity for me to become the forum player i was born to be, next game of course
Urist - posted scar poem, nai all the way down. putting lots of effort into their posts. i kinda want to vote them to pocket proto, also they seem like the kind of town player that mafia would be scared to push, so we can just banish them and then vote the nonvoters when they flip blue, game solved pog
so long story short i'm voting long con. now i have to figure out how to vote, hold up
Are you mafia? Cause I feel yes. Can you talk a little bit about how you're used to playing and how long you've played?
i play the most on mafia.gg (text based, games usually last under 2 hours). anything unjustified u can take as a reaction check. anything justified u can take as gospel
by the way, since nobody likes my long con read, i'm happy to vote proto with u today, especially since he gave me permission to tunnel him or whatever. i'd much prefer proto to jeraldooo
this:
and his reaction to me saying michelle is pr ("i don't get pr vibes from michelle", rather than "why are u trying to out prs" or "lol lavender reaction check"). also drawing attention to the fact the long con is probably pr which is huge ginormous rip ⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰ . i preferred to leave that unsaid but not proto, oh noprotocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:38 am The votes are worrying me. I didnt think other people were scumreading Scirrus so much, and their later posts were more towny than the earlier ones.
in hindsight, I guess it looks like I was distancing from Scirrus by scumreading them and then relaxing that scumread on them.
Lavender probably gonna tunnel me for 2 days straight after this.
still undecided where to place my vote for now, so will hold it.
oh i forgot my most important and initial reason which was sheeping my tutuu trLavender wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:34 amthis:
and his reaction to me saying michelle is pr ("i don't get pr vibes from michelle", rather than "why are u trying to out prs" or "lol lavender reaction check"). also drawing attention to the fact the long con is probably pr which is huge ginormous rip ⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰ . i preferred to leave that unsaid but not proto, oh noprotocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:38 am The votes are worrying me. I didnt think other people were scumreading Scirrus so much, and their later posts were more towny than the earlier ones.
in hindsight, I guess it looks like I was distancing from Scirrus by scumreading them and then relaxing that scumread on them.
Lavender probably gonna tunnel me for 2 days straight after this.
still undecided where to place my vote for now, so will hold it.