Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:28 pm
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I've seen itfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:02 pmThoughts on Ender's TR of you?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:51 pm [VOTE: dizzy] aubergine
Sorry diz, the master compels me
I'm not concerned about your vote on me. I'm not concerned about you randomly deciding you should scum read me and how that all goes down in your head.
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:18 pm wisp ignoring everything and focusing on the software is mildly interesting
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:33 pmIt can be a claim. Claims are pretty cheap though.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:31 pm@Dyslexicon Yeah, that's a claim. I've got green, Evil baby's in red, so what's this to you then?Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:06 pmMy role was in purple.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:04 pmBaby is spelt green, and Evil Baby is spelt red.Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:03 pmVillagers are red in Syn games.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:59 pm I'm a baby!
Green baby that is, check my inbox if you don't believe me
Falcon outted.
I'd say you're the one who's outted
[VOTE: Luck] aubergine
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:22 pmI was referring to Dizzy's clear of her-- and yeah-- I don't think she's a wolf or anything-- just no reason to clear her.Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:20 pmI wasn't clearing her, if anything I was point to the fact this is kind of weird. But the last time I played with her was a while back, and it's kind of early anywaysLuckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:15 pmYeah there is no reason to clear Alison at this juncture.
This instance above, specifically. Why feel the need to point out that your mind can change? Assuming you are town that is implied and assuming you are scum that isn't possible, so the only real purpose would be to forcibly imply that you are town.Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:43 pmWilgy seems wolfy. I can talk about it tomorrow and possibly change my mind.Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:39 pmok im confused, anyways
Why are you voting Dr Wilgy
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:36 amThis is really your most substantive post all game, but it's your thoughts on Gira and your assuredness that they are outted that has confused me, as Gira seemed fine to me and their thoughts on Falcon seemed fine even if wrong (disclaimer being that I know nothing about Gira).Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:01 pm I will probably be playing a straight POE game here because there are so many obvious townies.
Wilgy, Dizzy, Ender, falcon, Gavial all town.
Gira outed.
Mizery and Wisp kinda wolfy.
Luckbox meh. I haven't been impressed with his posting so far but it's not as wolfy as the others. Would prefer if he could give an opinion besides "stop clearing Alison >:(", especially when he usually has no trouble getting there on me as town.
Carousel/Nanook/Tess haven't checked in in any meaningful capacity.
Wilgy can definitely be a wolf and Wisp can be a villager. Also, you know Dizzy is a really good wolf and the quickness that you two have cleared each other is a bit concerning. I'll have to work on figuring out what i really think in the morning though when I'm a fresh and after a reread. Also hopefully Tess can tell me what to think.
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:35 amI'm willing to entertain this idea fwiw, but definitely not close to being there yet.
Lacking commitment,Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:09 amHaving just wolfed with Nanook, I'd give him a town-lean except that it's super exploitable and not worth much. But basically he's not trying as hard as he did in our wolfgame together.
I'm sure he can still be a wolf here pretty easily tough.
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:29 amWell you shouldn't tell me him that if that's what your thinking is....fwiw. Better to keep that sort of stuff a secret.
Thank you. Later please.Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:27 pmDon’t see Dizzy doing that to Wisp as buddies.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:22 pmStrong, but I'm unsure if I like the take. Dizzy may be fooling me.Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:23 pmDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:19 pmObviously mafia who can't partake in the enthralling discussion of color theory.Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:18 pm wisp ignoring everything and focusing on the software is mildly interestingI don’t like this post.
If Dizzy’s scum though they aren’t aligned with Lucky and probably aren’t aligned with Wisp.
What of Dizzy's Wisp vote got you?
If you request I can elaborate more later but I need to get my ass back to work!
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:44 am Let me give you a helping hand.
You maintain that there is nothing wolfy about Gira and nothing townie about Wilgy. That means my solve is ass-backwards. Assume I am town. Who do you think is trying to egg me on into a bad solve or stand by while I tunnel a townie?
I think Wisp is likely scum in either world. It was unclear to me at the time whether they were TMI-ing Gira, or protecting a buddy.
What of his meta?EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:48 am Luck is town, I do declare,
Unless he's playing odd for me,
He is acting au contraire,
Unless w/w with Wilgy
No the atrocious thing was that I pressed him hard about the logic behind his thought process and he deflected. It is still atrocious and the only reason I am not pushing him is because I don't think he would act this way because of his meta.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:30 pmAlison. You're being quite bullheaded here.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:27 am It's actually fucking atrocious that I show that Luckbox has no logical reason to be surprised by the Dizzy read on me and his response is "wolfy post really" rather than actually defending his point. There is zero reason for him to ever do that if he is town and I have enough respect for his town play that I'm not going to let that slide.
Gira is definitely a wolf, I'm just not sure whether his role card says it.
I don't at all find it strange that Lucky reacts to my early clearing of you.
I don't really know why he has focused on it so much.
But I think it's a reasonable thing to question or take note of.
I do agree that our interaction in our previous game where we tunnelled each other as t/s shouldn't have much bearing on this game though.
Why is Wisp likely town?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:14 pmI think it's quite likely you are town, and I'm interested to hear your view on the game as a whole.
Alison can have quite strong opinions, probably as both alignments.
However, right now I'm more interested to hear about your perspectives.
You may be more like me that there are several possible ones at the same time, rather than proclaiming to have any kind of immediate solve?
what meta lolAlison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:51 pmNo the atrocious thing was that I pressed him hard about the logic behind his thought process and he deflected. It is still atrocious and the only reason I am not pushing him is because I don't think he would act this way because of his meta.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:30 pmAlison. You're being quite bullheaded here.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:27 am It's actually fucking atrocious that I show that Luckbox has no logical reason to be surprised by the Dizzy read on me and his response is "wolfy post really" rather than actually defending his point. There is zero reason for him to ever do that if he is town and I have enough respect for his town play that I'm not going to let that slide.
Gira is definitely a wolf, I'm just not sure whether his role card says it.
I don't at all find it strange that Lucky reacts to my early clearing of you.
I don't really know why he has focused on it so much.
But I think it's a reasonable thing to question or take note of.
I do agree that our interaction in our previous game where we tunnelled each other as t/s shouldn't have much bearing on this game though.
I don't need people to "deal with" my pushes as town. I push someone because I want to figure out their alignment or because I want to get them killed. I am well aware that I can be a freight train when I push people and that is intended. It helps with rattling them and making them give me AI reactions for the former purpose, or getting them killed with the latter.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:49 pmIt is effecting thread health. And I think you should be mindful that you can push in a way that is pretty much impossible to deal with as town. You aren't really giving people time either before you give them scum-subtitles and what not.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:48 am I am stopping here because this is getting to the point where it is adversely affecting thread health.
It should be clear that Gira is not interested in advancing a town agenda. They are either wolf or so unable to handle being scumread that they implode and start working for wolves when pushed. Luckbox is probably town actually now that I think of the two testimonies wrt their meta.
[VOTE: Wisp] aubergine
Back to this.
I don't know what it feels like for Gira, but I had a way easier time pushing against you when I was actually scum and you pushed me last time we played. How come? You're even more aggro and antagonising here. Why, what good does it serve? We get your point.
some of this is just incredibly lol fwiwDrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:35 pm Do tell me Luckbox
Why the non-committal voice?
Too soft stepped for town.
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:18 pm wisp ignoring everything and focusing on the software is mildly interestingLuckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:33 pmIt can be a claim. Claims are pretty cheap though.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:31 pm@Dyslexicon Yeah, that's a claim. I've got green, Evil baby's in red, so what's this to you then?Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:06 pmMy role was in purple.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:04 pmBaby is spelt green, and Evil Baby is spelt red.Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:03 pmVillagers are red in Syn games.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:59 pm I'm a baby!
Green baby that is, check my inbox if you don't believe me
Falcon outted.
I'd say you're the one who's outted
[VOTE: Luck] aubergineLuckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:22 pmI was referring to Dizzy's clear of her-- and yeah-- I don't think she's a wolf or anything-- just no reason to clear her.Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:20 pmI wasn't clearing her, if anything I was point to the fact this is kind of weird. But the last time I played with her was a while back, and it's kind of early anywaysLuckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:15 pmYeah there is no reason to clear Alison at this juncture.This instance above, specifically. Why feel the need to point out that your mind can change? Assuming you are town that is implied and assuming you are scum that isn't possible, so the only real purpose would be to forcibly imply that you are town.Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:43 pmWilgy seems wolfy. I can talk about it tomorrow and possibly change my mind.Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:39 pmok im confused, anyways
Why are you voting Dr Wilgy
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:36 amThis is really your most substantive post all game, but it's your thoughts on Gira and your assuredness that they are outted that has confused me, as Gira seemed fine to me and their thoughts on Falcon seemed fine even if wrong (disclaimer being that I know nothing about Gira).Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:01 pm I will probably be playing a straight POE game here because there are so many obvious townies.
Wilgy, Dizzy, Ender, falcon, Gavial all town.
Gira outed.
Mizery and Wisp kinda wolfy.
Luckbox meh. I haven't been impressed with his posting so far but it's not as wolfy as the others. Would prefer if he could give an opinion besides "stop clearing Alison >:(", especially when he usually has no trouble getting there on me as town.
Carousel/Nanook/Tess haven't checked in in any meaningful capacity.
Wilgy can definitely be a wolf and Wisp can be a villager. Also, you know Dizzy is a really good wolf and the quickness that you two have cleared each other is a bit concerning. I'll have to work on figuring out what i really think in the morning though when I'm a fresh and after a reread. Also hopefully Tess can tell me what to think.Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:35 amI'm willing to entertain this idea fwiw, but definitely not close to being there yet.Lacking commitment,Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:09 amHaving just wolfed with Nanook, I'd give him a town-lean except that it's super exploitable and not worth much. But basically he's not trying as hard as he did in our wolfgame together.
I'm sure he can still be a wolf here pretty easily tough.
Forcing a town narritive.
A too cautious wolf.
Also why do this,
Where you dissuade discussion?
This seems never townLuckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:29 amWell you shouldn't tell me him that if that's what your thinking is....fwiw. Better to keep that sort of stuff a secret.
I meant everyone I scum read in the thread disagreed with me/townread in the thread agreed with me.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:51 pmNow you're saying kind of the opposite of what you said a little while ago.
Here you show that you're aware that Wisp has been agreeing with a lot of your reads.
A few posts back you said that everyone you scum read disagreed with you.
Are you just full of shit now?
Ender and Lucky both claim that Lucky is a chronic busser and finds it awkward and difficult to push townies. Lucky is also quite proud of his ability to get there on me when I am town and knows that there will be an expectation that he will defend me if he is town.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:53 pmWhat about Lucky's meta makes him town to you?Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:11 am I'm sheeping Ender on nanook. Gira is probably town and just throwing a tantrum.
If we assume Luckbox's meta makes him town (which I'm okay to right now, especially for the purposes of building this world) then the non-clears are Carousel, MIzery, tess, Wisp.
Not sure where Dizzy stands in this situation. I'll take a look after class.
Wigly,
If this is a longwinded way of saying "I am town and you are voting me, wahhh" I don't care. If you are town I will get there you. I don't see why you are worried about a 2 vote wagon on you halfway through the day. My style works and it has proven effective at giving me information about people's alignments this very game. If you are town, then you should be hoping it gives me information on yours.
What meta are you referring to here?
Gira is probably town because of #550. Outing fairly complex thoughts in the middle of actively throwing a tantrum and loudly grandstanding about wanting to exe people for being annoying regardless of their alignment is a townie behavior because tantrum-throwing is usually used by scum in order to conceal their lack of actual solving (which is precisely what I was accusing Gira of doing). Even if the emotion comes from a real place it is difficult to resist the temptation to just sit on it and do nothing while being loud and whiny. That Gira was churning thoughts in his head and was able to produce them when talking to someone he wasn't annoyed at is a sign that he has interest in solving the game rather than just coasting by.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:02 pm Yeah, I can't really make a read list yet.
I think Falcon and Gavial are both town.
I'm a bit taken aback by Alison's extreme aggro, but more so how quickly she seems to change her minds on things when I don't at all get the sense that anything in particular got her to go back on her reads or reevaluate. Like how she did with Gira and Lucky.
I need to think more about this, because I'm having too many possible worlds.
If anyone have good reasons to town read certain players that are not Falcon and Gavial let me know lol
What reads are these and how exactly did you get them?Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:18 pmI don't need people to "deal with" my pushes as town. I push someone because I want to figure out their alignment or because I want to get them killed. I am well aware that I can be a freight train when I push people and that is intended. It helps with rattling them and making them give me AI reactions for the former purpose, or getting them killed with the latter.
I've already gotten two reads that I wouldn't otherwise have gotten to through conflict.
I am aggressive every game every alignment unless I am completely detached from the game because I am busy IRL. It is the easiest way for me to play mafia, the most fun way for me to play mafia, and the most optimal way (in terms of winrate/effectiveness overall) for me to play mafia.
Yeah, but this isn't really true? You said yourself that Wisp, who you scum read, actually did agree or at least not object to your other reads.
Why are you nervous?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:29 pmI'm not concerned about your vote on me. I'm not concerned about you randomly deciding you should scum read me and how that all goes down in your head.
I haven't decided who I want to vote for yet.
I'm undecided how much I'm suspecting Alison right now, and I'm honestly a bit eager and nervous to see her reaction to me lol.
I don't have many other suspects, no. I'm not a person who gets scum reads easily.
I haven't dipped. My dad called. Leave me alone.
Wisp was actively disagreeing with my Gira read in the thread at the time.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:27 pmYeah, but this isn't really true? You said yourself that Wisp, who you scum read, actually did agree or at least not object to your other reads.
And for me, I don't even have solid reads now, except Falcon and Gavial.
Mmk.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:21 pmEnder and Lucky both claim that Lucky is a chronic busser and finds it awkward and difficult to push townies. Lucky is also quite proud of his ability to get there on me when I am town and knows that there will be an expectation that he will defend me if he is town.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:53 pmWhat about Lucky's meta makes him town to you?Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:11 am I'm sheeping Ender on nanook. Gira is probably town and just throwing a tantrum.
If we assume Luckbox's meta makes him town (which I'm okay to right now, especially for the purposes of building this world) then the non-clears are Carousel, MIzery, tess, Wisp.
Not sure where Dizzy stands in this situation. I'll take a look after class.
Both of these characteristics make it unlikely for scum Lucky to pick a fight with me early when I am going full aggro mode.
People do know you though.
Gira and Luckbox reads. Gira read was created because he was placed under pressure, imploded as a result of it, and did something I don't think mafia members usually do when they implode. Luckbox read was created because he was placed into an antagonistic position with me and responded in a way I don't think he would do as mafia as a result of his meta.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:25 pmWhat reads are these and how exactly did you get them?Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:18 pmI don't need people to "deal with" my pushes as town. I push someone because I want to figure out their alignment or because I want to get them killed. I am well aware that I can be a freight train when I push people and that is intended. It helps with rattling them and making them give me AI reactions for the former purpose, or getting them killed with the latter.
I've already gotten two reads that I wouldn't otherwise have gotten to through conflict.
Yes.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:29 pmMmk.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:21 pmEnder and Lucky both claim that Lucky is a chronic busser and finds it awkward and difficult to push townies. Lucky is also quite proud of his ability to get there on me when I am town and knows that there will be an expectation that he will defend me if he is town.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:53 pmWhat about Lucky's meta makes him town to you?Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:11 am I'm sheeping Ender on nanook. Gira is probably town and just throwing a tantrum.
If we assume Luckbox's meta makes him town (which I'm okay to right now, especially for the purposes of building this world) then the non-clears are Carousel, MIzery, tess, Wisp.
Not sure where Dizzy stands in this situation. I'll take a look after class.
Both of these characteristics make it unlikely for scum Lucky to pick a fight with me early when I am going full aggro mode.
What if I considered if you two were teamed mafia?
Would I be crazy?
Wrong I agreed he could be a wolf, not what ever the fuck u were spewing about him being "obvious and outted", only for you to switch, because no surprise to my original statement, that nobody knows what towncore or obvious actually means. U guys wanted me to throw out reads when it was clear many of you were throwing out stronger reads due to meta, which I didn't have. And I finally throw my vote down, and even tho Lucky's vote makes no sense, I just have to accept they wouldn't handle Alison the way they are if they are a wolfAlison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:28 pmWisp was actively disagreeing with my Gira read in the thread at the time.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:27 pmYeah, but this isn't really true? You said yourself that Wisp, who you scum read, actually did agree or at least not object to your other reads.
And for me, I don't even have solid reads now, except Falcon and Gavial.
I have not made that many meta reads this game.Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:31 pmWrong I agreed he could be a wolf, not what ever the fuck u were spewing about him being "obvious and outted", only for you to switch, because no surprise to my original statement, that nobody knows what towncore or obvious actually means. U guys wanted me to throw out reads when it was clear many of you were throwing out stronger reads due to meta, which I didn't have. And I finally throw my vote down, and even tho Lucky's vote makes no sense, I just have to accept they wouldn't handle Alison the way they are if they are a wolfAlison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:28 pmWisp was actively disagreeing with my Gira read in the thread at the time.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:27 pmYeah, but this isn't really true? You said yourself that Wisp, who you scum read, actually did agree or at least not object to your other reads.
And for me, I don't even have solid reads now, except Falcon and Gavial.