Art UPickish D3

[pyxxy]

Actually, I think pyxxy was the one I questioned whether they were voting creature due to the whole lowposting as wolf business
@pyxxy How do you feel now?

idr if I answered this already

I feel fine about Creature dying. In SDN crossover he got saved by partners, so maybe the lack of saving should have been a clue? otoh it's WIFOM, maybe if Creature was scum then his scummates just decide to bus him D1 since he already said he was busy/not thinking about this game.

Counter to what (Seanzie? iirc?) said, I think it's a completely fine D1 chop.

Creature is often an easy D1 push/miselim for wolves and gets easier to find as the game goes on IMO, which is why I don't think it was a good chop. I also think Creature being disintested is towny for them. As scum they tend to look interested, but somewhat stilted. As town they're either disinterested or interested and paranoid/solvey.

sure but when creature back to back posts stuff like

I'm inactive this game because I'm plainly uninterested

Maybe I should've quit halfway but MU signups were pretty bad and I wanted to practice mafia before MU anni in July

You should all focus on players who are playing because lynching LHF D1 is like re-starting D1 with two fewer town players.

that sounds like someone who is interested....in staying alive

maybe I'm just inexperienced with creature and he talks about "being interested" in the way that I talk about "looking towny"

if that's the case....I'll find'em next time o7

[Kate]

[VOTE: demonfairy] aubergine

@Dubz nice to meet you. When you're playing scum, how do you typically get caught (if at all)? e.g. can people find you alone, do you get easily revealed by your teammates flipping, are you told that you have tells, etc.

Where is Clem the goofy when we need him!

[Kate]

actually, I'd go for Thunal first and then look at Seanzie again after if Thunal flips red
because it kind of reminds me of what Seanzie was doing to Epi in a previous game

Oops missed this post, but it actually bolsters my earlier post.

[Lemonfairy]

sigh

[Lemonfairy]

guess this is another game where lemon gets misexed earlygame for having spicy reads that other people don't agree with and no one cares enough to think twice

[Dennis]

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Hi pyxxy why did you say you're "fine with town dennis" earlier?

Why do you always ask this question? Do you want us to talk about you more or are you trying to learn your own play?

Most of the time, it's because I don't think I'd done anything AI when they made the read, and if I had I want that specified. In this case pyxxy said it very in passing, and didn't answer me the first time I pushed him

So its a combination of I want to know what he thought is AI, not allowing him to just ignore a question like that, and especially since pyxxy and I get along easily I'm pretty susceptible to him trying to pocket me. I also have a secret theory that's possible that I won't share as of now

Oh fun. More secrets

Would a town Kate give up about wanting to know secrets this easily? And with Dennis no less?

TKate where are you?

I want to know what Dennis was meaning being this post.


Today is my last few hours with Ariya so I'll be in and out at her leisure until later

I say later on but I thought he might be saying he just wants to keep me around

I kept it a secret cause I've noticed I give people outs a lot. Like I'll say "It gave me the feeling that blah blah, but you could've just been [some explanation where they're town]" and so they can just go with my plan and I'm stuck wondering why I don't suspect anyone

[Lemonfairy]

lowkey might take a break from mafia after this

(not ATE, just kind of thinking about life and if a break would magically recharge me with towny sparkles again)

[Dennis]

Oops I jumped off my buddy Dennis again, @Quin

Noo we're gonna look bad scotty and they don't know we're actually the only two mafia we need this to distance!!

[Dennis]

Hmm
[VOTE: pyxxy ] aubergine

I dunno if I like this

[Scotty]

Some of the lowest posters are the ones with votes. The only other lower posters are falcon and creature, which I town lean on atm

I think lemon and genny just had mediocre D1’s and I wish them to post more. Pyxxy is just very blendy

hmmm so you're just voting the "best options" out of the low posters
I see

Actually I just happen to suspect you 3 and discovered that you are all in fact some of the low posters. There’s not actually a correlation except to get in front of someone going ‘stop going for the low posters, they’re LHF’

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

I'm still here probs
wouldn't mind Genny/Thunal

Got more of a reason this time?

if it's anything, I'd say it's your EOD
the flippity-floppity all over the place thing

it felt off
I can see it more from scum trying to look towny by flip-flopping (because they know it's a weird thing for scum to do) more than I can see it as you genuinely being waffly

That’s some WIFOM type stuff. Me trying to be pretend to be chaotic for the sake of not appearing town thereby appearing town

[Scotty]

I might have been looking through a slightly biased lens but idk, if you feel like running through what you were thinking there, I'd be happy to hear it

I hadn’t read back the previous pages and was playing in the moment

[Scotty]

Some of the lowest posters are the ones with votes. The only other lower posters are falcon and creature, which I town lean on atm

I think lemon and genny just had mediocre D1’s and I wish them to post more. Pyxxy is just very blendy

I also townlean Creature.

I feel like we’re vibing. Wanna be masons?

[Scotty]

Has creature posted today? Curious if he’s still on the apathy train to Clarksville

[Scotty]

Well that’s embarrassing

wow forgot he died

[Lemonfairy]

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

I'm still here probs
wouldn't mind Genny/Thunal

Got more of a reason this time?

if it's anything, I'd say it's your EOD
the flippity-floppity all over the place thing

it felt off
I can see it more from scum trying to look towny by flip-flopping (because they know it's a weird thing for scum to do) more than I can see it as you genuinely being waffly

That’s some WIFOM type stuff. Me trying to be pretend to be chaotic for the sake of not appearing town thereby appearing town

I can bring up some specific quotes later
too lazy to rn

[Lemonfairy]

actually, I'll go do it now
might as well

[Dubz]

[VOTE: demonfairy] aubergine

@Dubz nice to meet you. When you're playing scum, how do you typically get caught (if at all)? e.g. can people find you alone, do you get easily revealed by your teammates flipping, are you told that you have tells, etc.

Hi!

Historically I have been caught most often by mechanics - I tend to be difficult to find on my own. I can get some sus by way of my teammates flipping but at least from the games I recall, I was mechanically outted before it really came down to that. Most recently I have been caught just by existing because someone on SDN (Zenge, he played the crossover game) has a reading card on me lol

[Scotty]

like yes, the switching votes thing was the same
but context was very different imo

But you yourself said you didn’t understand my context.

So how can our contexts be different?

[Dubz]

Actually @potentialsheltervet was involved in burying me in the game where the reading card was activated so she might have some insight into my tells. I haven't been told what they are, if I have any.

[Dennis]

like yes, the switching votes thing was the same
but context was very different imo

What do you mean by context

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

I'm still here probs
wouldn't mind Genny/Thunal

Got more of a reason this time?

if it's anything, I'd say it's your EOD
the flippity-floppity all over the place thing

it felt off
I can see it more from scum trying to look towny by flip-flopping (because they know it's a weird thing for scum to do) more than I can see it as you genuinely being waffly

Funny. That's how I felt about your votes, since you didn't say anything about why you were moving, and they happened right after someone else had moved.

but I never tried to be townread from it

and I was moving around because I wanted spicy counterwagons
which did end up happening

slightly strange fmpov for you to say you felt I was doing the same as Scotty
could you clarify what exactly it felt like to you?

The lemon doth protest too much, methinks

[Scotty]

My eyes are on Scotty after that EOD and Seanzie since he turned into the Creature CW.

What do you infer from my loosey goosey end of day?

I have absolutely no idea. My initial thought during EOD was maybe you were partners with Creature but clearly that wasn't it.

You know the feeling you get after seeing a rather obtuse movie with your friends and you all talk about how weird it was and no one can agree on what it was about and you’re making tuna casserole 4 days later when you suddenly get it?

That’s me. I’m the movie

nah you're the casserole

hot dog, I’ll take it

[Dubz]

@Kate is your case on genny that she is quite and was buddying with the art comments?

Well I wouldn't exactly call it a case, it's more like a future feel on the ways I've seen her play before. I get the sense that she hides a bit as a baddie. Reread her face whole posts. See if you catch a vibe.

Last game I played over at sdn I thought you were bad, I even voted you twice and kept moving off bc I was out of my comfort zone and wouldn't trust my gut. I'm not going to do that again here. I have another post to show you. One sec.

I'm not going to tell you not to follow your gut, but I will say genny is commonly miselimmed because lowposting is just... Genny. Town genny gets voted often because her activity is low and content can be hard to decipher (no shade, just a statement). So unless she is well paired with other scum or says outright scummy things, it's more of a coin flip imo and I don't have good luck with rng.
Like, there is nothing here to distinguish genny's aff one way or the other. She's just gennying around.
Idk. @Dubz you've played with genny a lot, too. Agree? Disagree?

Yeah I agree. I've played with genny for...some number of years. More than 5 probably. I'm pretty decent at reading her when she's around, but activity level is entirely NAI for her. She's just gets really busy/life gets hectic sometimes, it has happened regardless of her aff and she doesn't slank just because she's wolfing.

[Scotty]

btw I donated my art to the museum because I love mountainous

jk
I had no idea what role to pick because I'm bad at decisions so I donated it for the greater good

That’s the towniest thing you’ve said all game.

What impetus would mafia have for donating?

Actually, I don’t really understand why anyone would ever donate unless they just have 83 pieces of art, since Thunal has expressed you can only use 2 actions a night.

[Scotty]

Oops I jumped off my buddy Dennis again, @Quin

oh? you were tight about this?

I don’t know what tight means in this context.

I mentioned this because Quin seems to have this tinfoil that I’m buddying with Dennis, since I’ve voted for him about 3 times and not left my vote on him

I guess?

[Scotty]

guess this is another game where lemon gets misexed earlygame for having spicy reads that other people don't agree with and no one cares enough to think twice

I don’t think your reads are spicy

They’re more sour than anything

[VOTE: lemonfairy] aubergine

[Kate]

guess this is another game where lemon gets misexed earlygame for having spicy reads that other people don't agree with and no one cares enough to think twice

I'm not voting you. I'd prefer to vote genny, thwn reassess.

[Kate]

guess this is another game where lemon gets misexed earlygame for having spicy reads that other people don't agree with and no one cares enough to think twice

I don’t think your reads are spicy

They’re more sour than anything

[VOTE: lemonfairy] aubergine

You're sure? His last few posts later today seem more frustrated civ.

I'd really rather go genny.

[Kate]

@Lemonfairy keep talking.

[Dennis]

@Dennis

Thoughts on genny, lemon and/or quin?

Genny I have no thoughts on, lemon I kinda townread tbh and quin I don't remember because they pretty much disappeared today. But they were a main wagon yestrday and I may or may not go back

[Kate]

I think I'll make a rainbow list.

[Dennis]

actually, I'd go for Thunal first and then look at Seanzie again after if Thunal flips red
because it kind of reminds me of what Seanzie was doing to Epi in a previous game

this is definitely a different opinion from the thread's vibes

(this is sarcasm right(because why would you look at seanzie if thunal flips red that pretty much clears him(also this isn't what they did, seanzie made himself look bad to send epi deep)))

[Kate]

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Hi pyxxy why did you say you're "fine with town dennis" earlier?

Why do you always ask this question? Do you want us to talk about you more or are you trying to learn your own play?

Most of the time, it's because I don't think I'd done anything AI when they made the read, and if I had I want that specified. In this case pyxxy said it very in passing, and didn't answer me the first time I pushed him

So its a combination of I want to know what he thought is AI, not allowing him to just ignore a question like that, and especially since pyxxy and I get along easily I'm pretty susceptible to him trying to pocket me. I also have a secret theory that's possible that I won't share as of now

Oh fun. More secrets

Would a town Kate give up about wanting to know secrets this easily? And with Dennis no less?

TKate where are you?

I want to know what Dennis was meaning being this post.


Today is my last few hours with Ariya so I'll be in and out at her leisure until later

This is roxys only on topic post.

So I counter with, would a town rox pop in and directly for her friend Kate? You didn't think I looked civ, hmm

I'd bet sweetiepie is in bed by now, so where's tRoxy?

[potentialsheltervet]

[VOTE: demonfairy] aubergine

@Dubz nice to meet you. When you're playing scum, how do you typically get caught (if at all)? e.g. can people find you alone, do you get easily revealed by your teammates flipping, are you told that you have tells, etc.

Demonfairy

[potentialsheltervet]

Hmm
[VOTE: pyxxy ] aubergine

I dunno if I like this

Why not?

[Lemonfairy]

post title: why the extremely towny and cute lemon scumreads Scotty the scummy (read accuracy not guaranteed)

started with this post:

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Because I just became privvy to the implication of his name spelled backwards

Seems Ytliug

Certified yttocS moment

So can you give me a bit more than that

Sure:

Spoiler: show

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English I Honors
14 April 2023
Avoiding Responsibility for Your Actions
It happens more often than not for one to blame others if they only look on the surface. People would rather not be held accountable for their actions and instead point the finger at whoever seems the most obvious. However, one must look deeper and think critically to decide where to place blame. This is put on display in Romeo and Juliet by William Shakespeare. The tragedy of Romeo and Juliet often gets blamed on Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse because of their secrecy and handling of the situation. One could claim the friar or the nurse should have told the Lords of the plans or refused to help Romeo and Juliet outright. However, there were hidden risks and dangers to each option. Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse prove through the play that they are acting according to their judgment, not just whatever Romeo or Juliet demands, and are not responsible for the tragedy of Romeo and Juliet.
In the play, Friar Laurence gives Juliet a potion to make her appear dead for several days as a part of a plan to reunite her with her husband (Shakespeare 4.1.89-120). There are multiple seemingly risky and dangerous plans used by Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse, but there is always more to them than meets the eye. Friar Laurence’s poison plan, for example, was not on a whim. The friar is a master at herbology and knows many different uses for herbs. It would be irresponsible and deadly to attempt this plan without his knowledge. He is clearly putting thought, and his own skills, into aiding Juliet, while avoiding certain failure. But, this play would not be a tragedy if something didn’t go wrong. Friar Laurence’s message to Romeo in Mantua doesn’t get through, as all friars are being quarantined because of a breakout of the plague (5.2.10-11). It is unjust to blame Friar Laurence for this wicked twist of fate. Every part of his plan was crucial and meticulous--if everything went smoothly, it would have worked. A breakout of the plague could not have even been predicted by doctors during this time period, much less a friar. One cannot blame Friar Laurence for losing control of his plan. But the friar is not the only person who people claim should have taken a different course of action. At multiple points in the play, Juliet’s nurse has the opportunity to bring up Romeo and Juliet’s marriage to Lord and Lady Capulet, but she doesn’t. One might say she carries some blame for keeping it a secret. However, Lord Capulet displays very violent tendencies, especially regarding Juliet and her marriage, and Lady Capulet sides with him (3.5). The nurse cannot safely let anyone know about the marriage without putting her and Juliet’s safety at risk. She is forced into a very troubling situation where she doesn’t want to have to keep this secret but cannot. Both the nurse and Friar Laurence were trying to help, but one may argue they should not have even tolerated the relationship between the two.
Romeo and Juliet’s forbidden love is the driving factor of the play, forcing everyone involved to be secretive and hide things to avoid the Lords becoming furious. But would it have been a happier ending if the nurse or Friar Laurence had refused to help? Juliet was receiving constant pressure from her parents to marry Paris (1.3.60-66), but Juliet says she would rather “bid me go into a new-made grave” than marry him (4.1.84). The Nurse is aware of Juliet’s feelings, but she cannot take either side. On one side, she wants to side with Juliet. Juliet and her nurse have always been very close, and so it is natural that she wouldn’t want to see Juliet married miserably. On the other, this is a time period where it is considered proper for children, especially unmarried girls, to always respect and obey their parents. Zhao Ban, a philosopher and generally considered the first female Chinese historian wrote in her article “On Reverence for Parents” that “Girls not yet gone out from their homes / Must carefully reverence their parents” (1-2). It goes against the nurse’s core values to help Juliet disobey the Capulets. The nurse is trapped in a moral dilemma where she must make a decision or else Juliet would be trapped by her parents into an unhappy marriage, but must be careful with her actions or else she could get in serious trouble with the Capulet family. Friar Laurence plays a pivotal role in Romeo and Juliet’s blossoming relationship. He agrees to marry the two the same day he learns that Romeo has met Juliet and moved on from Rosaline. On the surface, this is a ridiculous idea. However, when one considers that Friar Laurence married them not to appease Romeo, but instead to resolve the conflict between the Capulets and Monagues, the situation gets complicated (Shakespeare 2.3.88-92). Friar Laurence refuses at first, saying Romeo is only attracted to Juliet’s body and is moving much too fast (2.3.65-80). Romeo proves himself to be very emotionally volatile, going from moping about Rosaline (1.1.222-230) to being enamored of Juliet in the same day. Friar Laurence could not have been able to accurately predict Romeo’s reaction. In addition, the marriage is not just because Friar Laurence doesn’t see harm in it--he advises Romeo to slow down and think. The reason he follows through is because of the constant fights breaking out between the Capulets and Montagues. He sees this as a way to “turn your households’ rancor to pure love” (2.3.92). If this marriage works, it will prove that the houses have no real reason to fight, and the citizens of Verona will not have to live in fear of fights breaking out. It’s even possible the Friar actually sees himself as the hero, putting an end to the violence. If he refused, he would both have to deal with whatever Romeo’s reaction was and potentially live with the guilt of every innocent person slain in the subsequent fights. The reaction of the two children is a major driving factor as well. Both Romeo and Juliet threaten to kill themselves at multiple points in the play. Romeo, when he learns he is banished from Verona (3.3.105-109) and Juliet claims she would if all other plans to reunite with Romeo failed (3.5.244). These two children, clearly emotionally unstable and a lot of stress, put the nurse and Friar Laurence in a very tough position. If at any point things did not work out for them, they would kill themselves and their blood would be on the hands of the adults. It was nearly impossible for the adults to simply do nothing. The consequences of the rash behavior of the children ended up being the nurse and Friar Laurence’s responsibility, and they acted the best they could in that terrible situation.
Romeo and Juliet are rash and irresponsible, forcing themselves into very adult situations and then begging for aid, so far as to threaten killing themselves if the adults don’t help. Friar Laurence and the nurse, being thrusted into this position, make attempts to rationalize with the children before they try their more unorthodox plans. The nurse at first goes along with what Juliet wishes, but after Romeo is banished, she thinks about what to do and suggests Juliet just marry Paris and forget about Romeo (3.5.216-226). The nurse believes that this has gone too far and that Juliet should just follow her parent’s advice. Despite her constant complaints, the chances that Juliet would fall in love with Paris in an arranged marriage are higher than they seemed. According to “Would You Marry a Stranger?” by Jessica McBirney, arranged marriages are not all terrible. In fact, there is data that “those in arranged marriages generally enjoy happier lives and lower divorce rates” (2). The whole situation caused more problems for everyone than it solved, and Juliet is arguably being selfish. By refusing to try and move on and shame everyone around her into helping her, she manipulates the situation into exactly what she wants, and refuses the nurse’s attempts to make her reconsider Paris, or even just move on from Romeo. Friar Laurence had the almost exact opposite problem with Romeo. The friar was disappointed to hear how quickly Romeo moved on from Rosaline and advises that Romeo think about his decision more (Shakespeare 2.3.74-78). Romeo characteristically refuses to reconsider and begs until Friar Laurence gives in. It’s almost as if he doesn’t want help, he just wants what will make him happiest and doesn’t consider the consequences of his actions or the advice the friar gives. While Friar Laurence stands stronger on his position than the nurse did, he eventually caves as well and marries Romeo and Juliet. This could be seen as the initial conflict that starts the path to the tragedy, but truly the blame lies in Romeo and Juliet manipulating the adults around them. They are irresponsible and manipulative, threatening to kill themselves and leave the guilt of their deaths in the hearts of the adults unless everything goes their way. It eventually becomes clear that the only people who can truly be blamed for the tragedy of Romeo and Juliet is Romeo and Juliet themselves.
Juliet’s nurse and Friar Laurence tried their best, in a situation where they were being manipulated and had to be very careful with their actions, to aid Romeo and Juliet. The scholars that argue Friar Laurence and the nurse are responsible must reconsider and recognize the emotional struggle Romeo and Juliet put on them. It is important to think critically, from an unbiased perspective about situations before one places blame. We have all been in arguments or situations where taking the blame is unfavorable and attempt to place the blame on someone else. It’s hard to reconcile with guilt, and it’s okay to feel these things. But when someone else takes the fall for one, one carries the same, if not more responsibility than before.
Works Cited
“On Reverence for Parents”, Zhao Ban, c, 4.-120. Commonlit.
Shakespeare, William. Romeo and Juliet. Literatur, Grade 9, edited by Janet Allen, McDougal Littell, 2008, 940-1050.

This essay obviously has nothing to do with me and it's kind of unnerving you don't want to give a serious answer, especially because you just pushed me to top wagon

That’s fair. There’s no substance behind my vote.

I think I’ll feel bad if you were an actual wagon for no reason; as it stands with 2 votes, you’re more like a tricycle on a gentle slope

which I found a bit placating (mostly for the second part, which imo doesn't really need to be there)
but I didn't stare at it too much because it's fair to say Scotty's Dennis vote was just an unsubstantiated vote and although the second part might not be what I would say, maybe it's normal for Scotty

added this post in hindsight after Porscha kill:

Porscha town

That’s all I know in this crazy world

this is the point where Scotty shifts from voting Quin to trying to get people off:

[VOTE: scotty] aubergine

Towny vote

He has no impetus to start a wagon on me as wolf imo

Don’t lynch quin

and it's fine
(aside from the basic "not wanting to end up on the wagon that flips" thing which is imo too vague to bring up as a reason but I'm putting it here anyway)

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

idk this was kind of weird

My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam

probably not wanting to stay on Dennis
only problem with this is how Scotty is talking to thread so it reads as a bit performative to me (ik I'm being a bit picky with this)

My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam

Creature or genny?

Honoring quin and not going creature

[VOTE: genny] aubergine

this pinged me so hard lol
didn't feel the need to point it out at the time because Quin already did

it's mostly the "honoring quin" part, which reads to me like Scotty thinks Quin flipping is already set and has TMI that Quin will flip town
and it brought back my initial "hmm" at Scotty moving off Quin, which I ignored the first time (because it wasn't concerning by itself but it now becomes a concern with this post)

Like my d1 reads are generally Jackson Pollack paintings. But I feel confident Quin is town. Let’s get off him

the confidence level doesn't feel real
Aro reminded me to be careful not to over-project confidence when it would be weird for town to be that confident in my recent scumgame and now I'm using it to hunt

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Unlike quin, I think this vote sucks

this was just uncalled for smh
(it's not a reason, I just felt a bit attacked by this)

Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen

here!
I didn't remember wrongly!
@Dubz this is what I'm referring to when I said it looked like Scotty knew moving around would make them look towny so it felt more like it was performative rather that indecisivess/waffling

the "why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen"
first part is fine, second part is LAMIST and imo shows a disproportionate degree of concern over being scumread (Scotty only had Quin and me voting them at the time and no one else really was scumreading them iirc)

My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam

Creature or genny?

Honoring quin and not going creature

[VOTE: genny] aubergine

why are you honoring me specifically? i'm no less likely to self-pres if you 'honored' someone elses suspects.

Why do you suspect me?

buddying/distancing with dennis, but most recently i think your reaction to my most recent posts have been inauthentic.

oh, I thought that was obvious. You are the leading wagon and your random vote for me DOESNT come from wolf imo.

Ergo, im following you

Also haven’t caught up

yeah again, just the confidence level doesn't really match up to this reason, which imo is kind of lacking in comparison

Thunal tying it up for creature/genny, eh?

Just noting

not relevant to this post
but noted for whatever Thunal flips in the future

what if
someone else votes Scotty and then we let it rand

That’s…


Actually a terrible idea

Like, how does that help a solve?

Either vote me in confidence or get the hell off me

this is another post that I think shows almost too much concern over getting scumread/voted

Currently letting it rand on genny/creature also isn’t ideal.

Guys genny only has 4 posts?

Really, are we doing this? That seems lame

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

not wanting a rand on genny/creature
then saying genny vote is lame but not voting creature (bringing up not wanting to be on the wagon that flips again)

kate vote is just weird either way

No, I want Seanzie around too

For personal reasons

hmmm
(just another "wait and see" post)

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

[VOTE: creature] aubergineI'm moving to creature

oh shoot

I don’t like this

tbf, this kind of aligns with previous vote on kate

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

no idea what is happening atp

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Seanzie could be a hit

Scotty/Seanzie if that's a thing

ok I'm done

[Lemonfairy]

[VOTE: demonfairy] aubergine

@Dubz nice to meet you. When you're playing scum, how do you typically get caught (if at all)? e.g. can people find you alone, do you get easily revealed by your teammates flipping, are you told that you have tells, etc.

Demonfairy

>:c

[Lemonfairy]

guess this is another game where lemon gets misexed earlygame for having spicy reads that other people don't agree with and no one cares enough to think twice

I'm not voting you. I'd prefer to vote genny, thwn reassess.

ok and this reminds me
you did bring up me saying I could go for genny but not scumreading them

that's because I don't have a read on genny but I saw you on them and was considering sheeping you

[potentialsheltervet]

Actually @potentialsheltervet was involved in burying me in the game where the reading card was activated so she might have some insight into my tells. I haven't been told what they are, if I have any.

It isn't a tell or anything. Impossible to say. It's just... You know when it is and when it isn't.

[Lemonfairy]

(but I've just reminded myself why I scumread Scotty again and would prefer Scotty now)

[Lemonfairy]

I'm a bit worried I'm conf-biasing a little so a second (or more) pair of eyes would help

[Lemonfairy]

I'm so towny
are y'all seeing this?

[potentialsheltervet]

post title: why the extremely towny and cute lemon scumreads Scotty the scummy (read accuracy not guaranteed)

started with this post:

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Because I just became privvy to the implication of his name spelled backwards

Seems Ytliug

Certified yttocS moment

So can you give me a bit more than that

Sure:

Spoiler: show

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[REDACTED]
English I Honors
14 April 2023
Avoiding Responsibility for Your Actions
It happens more often than not for one to blame others if they only look on the surface. People would rather not be held accountable for their actions and instead point the finger at whoever seems the most obvious. However, one must look deeper and think critically to decide where to place blame. This is put on display in Romeo and Juliet by William Shakespeare. The tragedy of Romeo and Juliet often gets blamed on Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse because of their secrecy and handling of the situation. One could claim the friar or the nurse should have told the Lords of the plans or refused to help Romeo and Juliet outright. However, there were hidden risks and dangers to each option. Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse prove through the play that they are acting according to their judgment, not just whatever Romeo or Juliet demands, and are not responsible for the tragedy of Romeo and Juliet.
In the play, Friar Laurence gives Juliet a potion to make her appear dead for several days as a part of a plan to reunite her with her husband (Shakespeare 4.1.89-120). There are multiple seemingly risky and dangerous plans used by Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse, but there is always more to them than meets the eye. Friar Laurence’s poison plan, for example, was not on a whim. The friar is a master at herbology and knows many different uses for herbs. It would be irresponsible and deadly to attempt this plan without his knowledge. He is clearly putting thought, and his own skills, into aiding Juliet, while avoiding certain failure. But, this play would not be a tragedy if something didn’t go wrong. Friar Laurence’s message to Romeo in Mantua doesn’t get through, as all friars are being quarantined because of a breakout of the plague (5.2.10-11). It is unjust to blame Friar Laurence for this wicked twist of fate. Every part of his plan was crucial and meticulous--if everything went smoothly, it would have worked. A breakout of the plague could not have even been predicted by doctors during this time period, much less a friar. One cannot blame Friar Laurence for losing control of his plan. But the friar is not the only person who people claim should have taken a different course of action. At multiple points in the play, Juliet’s nurse has the opportunity to bring up Romeo and Juliet’s marriage to Lord and Lady Capulet, but she doesn’t. One might say she carries some blame for keeping it a secret. However, Lord Capulet displays very violent tendencies, especially regarding Juliet and her marriage, and Lady Capulet sides with him (3.5). The nurse cannot safely let anyone know about the marriage without putting her and Juliet’s safety at risk. She is forced into a very troubling situation where she doesn’t want to have to keep this secret but cannot. Both the nurse and Friar Laurence were trying to help, but one may argue they should not have even tolerated the relationship between the two.
Romeo and Juliet’s forbidden love is the driving factor of the play, forcing everyone involved to be secretive and hide things to avoid the Lords becoming furious. But would it have been a happier ending if the nurse or Friar Laurence had refused to help? Juliet was receiving constant pressure from her parents to marry Paris (1.3.60-66), but Juliet says she would rather “bid me go into a new-made grave” than marry him (4.1.84). The Nurse is aware of Juliet’s feelings, but she cannot take either side. On one side, she wants to side with Juliet. Juliet and her nurse have always been very close, and so it is natural that she wouldn’t want to see Juliet married miserably. On the other, this is a time period where it is considered proper for children, especially unmarried girls, to always respect and obey their parents. Zhao Ban, a philosopher and generally considered the first female Chinese historian wrote in her article “On Reverence for Parents” that “Girls not yet gone out from their homes / Must carefully reverence their parents” (1-2). It goes against the nurse’s core values to help Juliet disobey the Capulets. The nurse is trapped in a moral dilemma where she must make a decision or else Juliet would be trapped by her parents into an unhappy marriage, but must be careful with her actions or else she could get in serious trouble with the Capulet family. Friar Laurence plays a pivotal role in Romeo and Juliet’s blossoming relationship. He agrees to marry the two the same day he learns that Romeo has met Juliet and moved on from Rosaline. On the surface, this is a ridiculous idea. However, when one considers that Friar Laurence married them not to appease Romeo, but instead to resolve the conflict between the Capulets and Monagues, the situation gets complicated (Shakespeare 2.3.88-92). Friar Laurence refuses at first, saying Romeo is only attracted to Juliet’s body and is moving much too fast (2.3.65-80). Romeo proves himself to be very emotionally volatile, going from moping about Rosaline (1.1.222-230) to being enamored of Juliet in the same day. Friar Laurence could not have been able to accurately predict Romeo’s reaction. In addition, the marriage is not just because Friar Laurence doesn’t see harm in it--he advises Romeo to slow down and think. The reason he follows through is because of the constant fights breaking out between the Capulets and Montagues. He sees this as a way to “turn your households’ rancor to pure love” (2.3.92). If this marriage works, it will prove that the houses have no real reason to fight, and the citizens of Verona will not have to live in fear of fights breaking out. It’s even possible the Friar actually sees himself as the hero, putting an end to the violence. If he refused, he would both have to deal with whatever Romeo’s reaction was and potentially live with the guilt of every innocent person slain in the subsequent fights. The reaction of the two children is a major driving factor as well. Both Romeo and Juliet threaten to kill themselves at multiple points in the play. Romeo, when he learns he is banished from Verona (3.3.105-109) and Juliet claims she would if all other plans to reunite with Romeo failed (3.5.244). These two children, clearly emotionally unstable and a lot of stress, put the nurse and Friar Laurence in a very tough position. If at any point things did not work out for them, they would kill themselves and their blood would be on the hands of the adults. It was nearly impossible for the adults to simply do nothing. The consequences of the rash behavior of the children ended up being the nurse and Friar Laurence’s responsibility, and they acted the best they could in that terrible situation.
Romeo and Juliet are rash and irresponsible, forcing themselves into very adult situations and then begging for aid, so far as to threaten killing themselves if the adults don’t help. Friar Laurence and the nurse, being thrusted into this position, make attempts to rationalize with the children before they try their more unorthodox plans. The nurse at first goes along with what Juliet wishes, but after Romeo is banished, she thinks about what to do and suggests Juliet just marry Paris and forget about Romeo (3.5.216-226). The nurse believes that this has gone too far and that Juliet should just follow her parent’s advice. Despite her constant complaints, the chances that Juliet would fall in love with Paris in an arranged marriage are higher than they seemed. According to “Would You Marry a Stranger?” by Jessica McBirney, arranged marriages are not all terrible. In fact, there is data that “those in arranged marriages generally enjoy happier lives and lower divorce rates” (2). The whole situation caused more problems for everyone than it solved, and Juliet is arguably being selfish. By refusing to try and move on and shame everyone around her into helping her, she manipulates the situation into exactly what she wants, and refuses the nurse’s attempts to make her reconsider Paris, or even just move on from Romeo. Friar Laurence had the almost exact opposite problem with Romeo. The friar was disappointed to hear how quickly Romeo moved on from Rosaline and advises that Romeo think about his decision more (Shakespeare 2.3.74-78). Romeo characteristically refuses to reconsider and begs until Friar Laurence gives in. It’s almost as if he doesn’t want help, he just wants what will make him happiest and doesn’t consider the consequences of his actions or the advice the friar gives. While Friar Laurence stands stronger on his position than the nurse did, he eventually caves as well and marries Romeo and Juliet. This could be seen as the initial conflict that starts the path to the tragedy, but truly the blame lies in Romeo and Juliet manipulating the adults around them. They are irresponsible and manipulative, threatening to kill themselves and leave the guilt of their deaths in the hearts of the adults unless everything goes their way. It eventually becomes clear that the only people who can truly be blamed for the tragedy of Romeo and Juliet is Romeo and Juliet themselves.
Juliet’s nurse and Friar Laurence tried their best, in a situation where they were being manipulated and had to be very careful with their actions, to aid Romeo and Juliet. The scholars that argue Friar Laurence and the nurse are responsible must reconsider and recognize the emotional struggle Romeo and Juliet put on them. It is important to think critically, from an unbiased perspective about situations before one places blame. We have all been in arguments or situations where taking the blame is unfavorable and attempt to place the blame on someone else. It’s hard to reconcile with guilt, and it’s okay to feel these things. But when someone else takes the fall for one, one carries the same, if not more responsibility than before.
Works Cited
“On Reverence for Parents”, Zhao Ban, c, 4.-120. Commonlit.
Shakespeare, William. Romeo and Juliet. Literatur, Grade 9, edited by Janet Allen, McDougal Littell, 2008, 940-1050.

This essay obviously has nothing to do with me and it's kind of unnerving you don't want to give a serious answer, especially because you just pushed me to top wagon

That’s fair. There’s no substance behind my vote.

I think I’ll feel bad if you were an actual wagon for no reason; as it stands with 2 votes, you’re more like a tricycle on a gentle slope

which I found a bit placating (mostly for the second part, which imo doesn't really need to be there)
but I didn't stare at it too much because it's fair to say Scotty's Dennis vote was just an unsubstantiated vote and although the second part might not be what I would say, maybe it's normal for Scotty

added this post in hindsight after Porscha kill:

Porscha town

That’s all I know in this crazy world

this is the point where Scotty shifts from voting Quin to trying to get people off:

[VOTE: scotty] aubergine

Towny vote

He has no impetus to start a wagon on me as wolf imo

Don’t lynch quin

and it's fine
(aside from the basic "not wanting to end up on the wagon that flips" thing which is imo too vague to bring up as a reason but I'm putting it here anyway)

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

idk this was kind of weird

My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam

probably not wanting to stay on Dennis
only problem with this is how Scotty is talking to thread so it reads as a bit performative to me (ik I'm being a bit picky with this)

My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam

Creature or genny?

Honoring quin and not going creature

[VOTE: genny] aubergine

this pinged me so hard lol
didn't feel the need to point it out at the time because Quin already did

it's mostly the "honoring quin" part, which reads to me like Scotty thinks Quin flipping is already set and has TMI that Quin will flip town
and it brought back my initial "hmm" at Scotty moving off Quin, which I ignored the first time (because it wasn't concerning by itself but it now becomes a concern with this post)

Like my d1 reads are generally Jackson Pollack paintings. But I feel confident Quin is town. Let’s get off him

the confidence level doesn't feel real
Aro reminded me to be careful not to over-project confidence when it would be weird for town to be that confident in my recent scumgame and now I'm using it to hunt

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Unlike quin, I think this vote sucks

this was just uncalled for smh
(it's not a reason, I just felt a bit attacked by this)

Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen

here!
I didn't remember wrongly!
@Dubz this is what I'm referring to when I said it looked like Scotty knew moving around would make them look towny so it felt more like it was performative rather that indecisivess/waffling

the "why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen"
first part is fine, second part is LAMIST and imo shows a disproportionate degree of concern over being scumread (Scotty only had Quin and me voting them at the time and no one else really was scumreading them iirc)

Creature or genny?

Honoring quin and not going creature

[VOTE: genny] aubergine

why are you honoring me specifically? i'm no less likely to self-pres if you 'honored' someone elses suspects.

Why do you suspect me?

buddying/distancing with dennis, but most recently i think your reaction to my most recent posts have been inauthentic.

oh, I thought that was obvious. You are the leading wagon and your random vote for me DOESNT come from wolf imo.

Ergo, im following you

Also haven’t caught up

yeah again, just the confidence level doesn't really match up to this reason, which imo is kind of lacking in comparison

Thunal tying it up for creature/genny, eh?

Just noting

not relevant to this post
but noted for whatever Thunal flips in the future

what if
someone else votes Scotty and then we let it rand

That’s…


Actually a terrible idea

Like, how does that help a solve?

Either vote me in confidence or get the hell off me

this is another post that I think shows almost too much concern over getting scumread/voted

Currently letting it rand on genny/creature also isn’t ideal.

Guys genny only has 4 posts?

Really, are we doing this? That seems lame

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

not wanting a rand on genny/creature
then saying genny vote is lame but not voting creature (bringing up not wanting to be on the wagon that flips again)

kate vote is just weird either way

No, I want Seanzie around too

For personal reasons

hmmm
(just another "wait and see" post)

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

[VOTE: creature] aubergineI'm moving to creature

oh shoot

I don’t like this

tbf, this kind of aligns with previous vote on kate

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

no idea what is happening atp

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Seanzie could be a hit

Scotty/Seanzie if that's a thing

ok I'm done

Scotty's trying to get people off? Happy June

[Lemonfairy]

► Show Spoiler

post title: why the extremely towny and cute lemon scumreads Scotty the scummy (read accuracy not guaranteed)

started with this post:

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Because I just became privvy to the implication of his name spelled backwards

Seems Ytliug

Certified yttocS moment

So can you give me a bit more than that

Sure:

Spoiler: show

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[REDACTED]
English I Honors
14 April 2023
Avoiding Responsibility for Your Actions
It happens more often than not for one to blame others if they only look on the surface. People would rather not be held accountable for their actions and instead point the finger at whoever seems the most obvious. However, one must look deeper and think critically to decide where to place blame. This is put on display in Romeo and Juliet by William Shakespeare. The tragedy of Romeo and Juliet often gets blamed on Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse because of their secrecy and handling of the situation. One could claim the friar or the nurse should have told the Lords of the plans or refused to help Romeo and Juliet outright. However, there were hidden risks and dangers to each option. Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse prove through the play that they are acting according to their judgment, not just whatever Romeo or Juliet demands, and are not responsible for the tragedy of Romeo and Juliet.
In the play, Friar Laurence gives Juliet a potion to make her appear dead for several days as a part of a plan to reunite her with her husband (Shakespeare 4.1.89-120). There are multiple seemingly risky and dangerous plans used by Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse, but there is always more to them than meets the eye. Friar Laurence’s poison plan, for example, was not on a whim. The friar is a master at herbology and knows many different uses for herbs. It would be irresponsible and deadly to attempt this plan without his knowledge. He is clearly putting thought, and his own skills, into aiding Juliet, while avoiding certain failure. But, this play would not be a tragedy if something didn’t go wrong. Friar Laurence’s message to Romeo in Mantua doesn’t get through, as all friars are being quarantined because of a breakout of the plague (5.2.10-11). It is unjust to blame Friar Laurence for this wicked twist of fate. Every part of his plan was crucial and meticulous--if everything went smoothly, it would have worked. A breakout of the plague could not have even been predicted by doctors during this time period, much less a friar. One cannot blame Friar Laurence for losing control of his plan. But the friar is not the only person who people claim should have taken a different course of action. At multiple points in the play, Juliet’s nurse has the opportunity to bring up Romeo and Juliet’s marriage to Lord and Lady Capulet, but she doesn’t. One might say she carries some blame for keeping it a secret. However, Lord Capulet displays very violent tendencies, especially regarding Juliet and her marriage, and Lady Capulet sides with him (3.5). The nurse cannot safely let anyone know about the marriage without putting her and Juliet’s safety at risk. She is forced into a very troubling situation where she doesn’t want to have to keep this secret but cannot. Both the nurse and Friar Laurence were trying to help, but one may argue they should not have even tolerated the relationship between the two.
Romeo and Juliet’s forbidden love is the driving factor of the play, forcing everyone involved to be secretive and hide things to avoid the Lords becoming furious. But would it have been a happier ending if the nurse or Friar Laurence had refused to help? Juliet was receiving constant pressure from her parents to marry Paris (1.3.60-66), but Juliet says she would rather “bid me go into a new-made grave” than marry him (4.1.84). The Nurse is aware of Juliet’s feelings, but she cannot take either side. On one side, she wants to side with Juliet. Juliet and her nurse have always been very close, and so it is natural that she wouldn’t want to see Juliet married miserably. On the other, this is a time period where it is considered proper for children, especially unmarried girls, to always respect and obey their parents. Zhao Ban, a philosopher and generally considered the first female Chinese historian wrote in her article “On Reverence for Parents” that “Girls not yet gone out from their homes / Must carefully reverence their parents” (1-2). It goes against the nurse’s core values to help Juliet disobey the Capulets. The nurse is trapped in a moral dilemma where she must make a decision or else Juliet would be trapped by her parents into an unhappy marriage, but must be careful with her actions or else she could get in serious trouble with the Capulet family. Friar Laurence plays a pivotal role in Romeo and Juliet’s blossoming relationship. He agrees to marry the two the same day he learns that Romeo has met Juliet and moved on from Rosaline. On the surface, this is a ridiculous idea. However, when one considers that Friar Laurence married them not to appease Romeo, but instead to resolve the conflict between the Capulets and Monagues, the situation gets complicated (Shakespeare 2.3.88-92). Friar Laurence refuses at first, saying Romeo is only attracted to Juliet’s body and is moving much too fast (2.3.65-80). Romeo proves himself to be very emotionally volatile, going from moping about Rosaline (1.1.222-230) to being enamored of Juliet in the same day. Friar Laurence could not have been able to accurately predict Romeo’s reaction. In addition, the marriage is not just because Friar Laurence doesn’t see harm in it--he advises Romeo to slow down and think. The reason he follows through is because of the constant fights breaking out between the Capulets and Montagues. He sees this as a way to “turn your households’ rancor to pure love” (2.3.92). If this marriage works, it will prove that the houses have no real reason to fight, and the citizens of Verona will not have to live in fear of fights breaking out. It’s even possible the Friar actually sees himself as the hero, putting an end to the violence. If he refused, he would both have to deal with whatever Romeo’s reaction was and potentially live with the guilt of every innocent person slain in the subsequent fights. The reaction of the two children is a major driving factor as well. Both Romeo and Juliet threaten to kill themselves at multiple points in the play. Romeo, when he learns he is banished from Verona (3.3.105-109) and Juliet claims she would if all other plans to reunite with Romeo failed (3.5.244). These two children, clearly emotionally unstable and a lot of stress, put the nurse and Friar Laurence in a very tough position. If at any point things did not work out for them, they would kill themselves and their blood would be on the hands of the adults. It was nearly impossible for the adults to simply do nothing. The consequences of the rash behavior of the children ended up being the nurse and Friar Laurence’s responsibility, and they acted the best they could in that terrible situation.
Romeo and Juliet are rash and irresponsible, forcing themselves into very adult situations and then begging for aid, so far as to threaten killing themselves if the adults don’t help. Friar Laurence and the nurse, being thrusted into this position, make attempts to rationalize with the children before they try their more unorthodox plans. The nurse at first goes along with what Juliet wishes, but after Romeo is banished, she thinks about what to do and suggests Juliet just marry Paris and forget about Romeo (3.5.216-226). The nurse believes that this has gone too far and that Juliet should just follow her parent’s advice. Despite her constant complaints, the chances that Juliet would fall in love with Paris in an arranged marriage are higher than they seemed. According to “Would You Marry a Stranger?” by Jessica McBirney, arranged marriages are not all terrible. In fact, there is data that “those in arranged marriages generally enjoy happier lives and lower divorce rates” (2). The whole situation caused more problems for everyone than it solved, and Juliet is arguably being selfish. By refusing to try and move on and shame everyone around her into helping her, she manipulates the situation into exactly what she wants, and refuses the nurse’s attempts to make her reconsider Paris, or even just move on from Romeo. Friar Laurence had the almost exact opposite problem with Romeo. The friar was disappointed to hear how quickly Romeo moved on from Rosaline and advises that Romeo think about his decision more (Shakespeare 2.3.74-78). Romeo characteristically refuses to reconsider and begs until Friar Laurence gives in. It’s almost as if he doesn’t want help, he just wants what will make him happiest and doesn’t consider the consequences of his actions or the advice the friar gives. While Friar Laurence stands stronger on his position than the nurse did, he eventually caves as well and marries Romeo and Juliet. This could be seen as the initial conflict that starts the path to the tragedy, but truly the blame lies in Romeo and Juliet manipulating the adults around them. They are irresponsible and manipulative, threatening to kill themselves and leave the guilt of their deaths in the hearts of the adults unless everything goes their way. It eventually becomes clear that the only people who can truly be blamed for the tragedy of Romeo and Juliet is Romeo and Juliet themselves.
Juliet’s nurse and Friar Laurence tried their best, in a situation where they were being manipulated and had to be very careful with their actions, to aid Romeo and Juliet. The scholars that argue Friar Laurence and the nurse are responsible must reconsider and recognize the emotional struggle Romeo and Juliet put on them. It is important to think critically, from an unbiased perspective about situations before one places blame. We have all been in arguments or situations where taking the blame is unfavorable and attempt to place the blame on someone else. It’s hard to reconcile with guilt, and it’s okay to feel these things. But when someone else takes the fall for one, one carries the same, if not more responsibility than before.
Works Cited
“On Reverence for Parents”, Zhao Ban, c, 4.-120. Commonlit.
Shakespeare, William. Romeo and Juliet. Literatur, Grade 9, edited by Janet Allen, McDougal Littell, 2008, 940-1050.

This essay obviously has nothing to do with me and it's kind of unnerving you don't want to give a serious answer, especially because you just pushed me to top wagon

That’s fair. There’s no substance behind my vote.

I think I’ll feel bad if you were an actual wagon for no reason; as it stands with 2 votes, you’re more like a tricycle on a gentle slope

which I found a bit placating (mostly for the second part, which imo doesn't really need to be there)
but I didn't stare at it too much because it's fair to say Scotty's Dennis vote was just an unsubstantiated vote and although the second part might not be what I would say, maybe it's normal for Scotty

added this post in hindsight after Porscha kill:

Porscha town

That’s all I know in this crazy world

this is the point where Scotty shifts from voting Quin to trying to get people off:

[VOTE: scotty] aubergine

Towny vote

He has no impetus to start a wagon on me as wolf imo

Don’t lynch quin

and it's fine
(aside from the basic "not wanting to end up on the wagon that flips" thing which is imo too vague to bring up as a reason but I'm putting it here anyway)

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

idk this was kind of weird

My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam

probably not wanting to stay on Dennis
only problem with this is how Scotty is talking to thread so it reads as a bit performative to me (ik I'm being a bit picky with this)

My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam

Creature or genny?

Honoring quin and not going creature

[VOTE: genny] aubergine

this pinged me so hard lol
didn't feel the need to point it out at the time because Quin already did

it's mostly the "honoring quin" part, which reads to me like Scotty thinks Quin flipping is already set and has TMI that Quin will flip town
and it brought back my initial "hmm" at Scotty moving off Quin, which I ignored the first time (because it wasn't concerning by itself but it now becomes a concern with this post)

Like my d1 reads are generally Jackson Pollack paintings. But I feel confident Quin is town. Let’s get off him

the confidence level doesn't feel real
Aro reminded me to be careful not to over-project confidence when it would be weird for town to be that confident in my recent scumgame and now I'm using it to hunt

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Unlike quin, I think this vote sucks

this was just uncalled for smh
(it's not a reason, I just felt a bit attacked by this)

Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen

here!
I didn't remember wrongly!
@Dubz this is what I'm referring to when I said it looked like Scotty knew moving around would make them look towny so it felt more like it was performative rather that indecisivess/waffling

the "why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen"
first part is fine, second part is LAMIST and imo shows a disproportionate degree of concern over being scumread (Scotty only had Quin and me voting them at the time and no one else really was scumreading them iirc)

Honoring quin and not going creature

[VOTE: genny] aubergine

why are you honoring me specifically? i'm no less likely to self-pres if you 'honored' someone elses suspects.

Why do you suspect me?

buddying/distancing with dennis, but most recently i think your reaction to my most recent posts have been inauthentic.

oh, I thought that was obvious. You are the leading wagon and your random vote for me DOESNT come from wolf imo.

Ergo, im following you

Also haven’t caught up

yeah again, just the confidence level doesn't really match up to this reason, which imo is kind of lacking in comparison

Thunal tying it up for creature/genny, eh?

Just noting

not relevant to this post
but noted for whatever Thunal flips in the future

what if
someone else votes Scotty and then we let it rand

That’s…


Actually a terrible idea

Like, how does that help a solve?

Either vote me in confidence or get the hell off me

this is another post that I think shows almost too much concern over getting scumread/voted

Currently letting it rand on genny/creature also isn’t ideal.

Guys genny only has 4 posts?

Really, are we doing this? That seems lame

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

not wanting a rand on genny/creature
then saying genny vote is lame but not voting creature (bringing up not wanting to be on the wagon that flips again)

kate vote is just weird either way

No, I want Seanzie around too

For personal reasons

hmmm
(just another "wait and see" post)

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

[VOTE: creature] aubergineI'm moving to creature

oh shoot

I don’t like this

tbf, this kind of aligns with previous vote on kate

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

no idea what is happening atp

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Seanzie could be a hit

Scotty/Seanzie if that's a thing

ok I'm done

Scotty's trying to get people off? Happy June

wdym
can you be less crytic?

[Dubz]

Lack of laugh reacts strikes again

[Dubz]

Hi @Lemonfairy I have a problem where I can't read wall posts without my brain floating off into the ether, can you summarize your case on Scotty in like a tl;dr format?

[Lemonfairy]

5 votes on lemon: Zenon, Scotty, Seanzie, Dubz, pyxxy
2 votes on genny: Kate, falcon45ca
1 vote on pyxxy: potentialsheltervet
1 vote on scotty: Lemonfairy
1 vote on thunal: Dennis

[Dubz]

Actually @potentialsheltervet was involved in burying me in the game where the reading card was activated so she might have some insight into my tells. I haven't been told what they are, if I have any.

It isn't a tell or anything. Impossible to say. It's just... You know when it is and when it isn't.

:sadangry: this is what Zenge says too

[Lemonfairy]

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:43 pm
Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen
here!
I didn't remember wrongly!
@Dubz this is what I'm referring to when I said it looked like Scotty knew moving around would make them look towny so it felt more like it was performative rather that indecisivess/waffling

the "why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen"
first part is fine, second part is LAMIST and imo shows a disproportionate degree of concern over being scumread (Scotty only had Quin and me voting them at the time and no one else really was scumreading them iirc)

@Dubz just read this part