The Syndicate

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:53 am So I did a perusal of gavial.

I was wrong about a few things.

First of all, his reads haven’t been too inconsistent. When he puts out reads, they’re on a linear path. Sure, they’re all based on astrological charts or some shit but the progression is there.

If he’s a wolf, he’s walking a fine line- I do see an angle.
See, he started with this stupid D1 wheel. This sets up the precedent to invalidate a lot of his opinions down the line. That he continues to lolvote based on the wheel past D1 confirms this.
He firmly reads falcon as scum D1 all the way until falcon is lynched. That’s some hardcore bussing. He also loves his lists of team makeups, and Mac started getting added d2. D2 had: “falcon/mac/Flanders team. Book it” rule of 3 be damned, he included 2/3. That’s ballsy.

if gavial is a wolf, he’s perpetually calling out his partners, but because he mixes them in with others that aren’t bad and also gives no real cases on why they’re bad, who would take him seriously? It’s a viable play, I guess. The WIFOM is so strong that he’s spilled the wine all over the table.

If he is town, he is doing nothing to further the town, built no legit cases on anyone. “But I called out the teams multiple times!” You also have lumped in most people to those teams more than that. Just because a broken clock is right twice a day doesn’t mean I’m gonna follow that clock when prepping a pie in the oven.

I think Gav is the 3p, and at best, mafia. I don’t think we’d miss him if he were to be lynched.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:58 am I’m more confident in Vulgard then Radish but I wouldn’t entirely oppose to a Radish yeet but I’m gonna stay on Vulgard here.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:59 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:58 am I’m more confident in Vulgard then Radish but I wouldn’t entirely oppose to a Radish yeet but I’m gonna stay on Vulgard here.

Remind me of your case on Vulgard or else why you are voting them?

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:59 am @KZA
Foo I’m town.
Be productive and vote someone who actually might be scum!

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:53 am heads up im a nervous wreck. I have an interview in about 2hrs and im prepping. I will try to be here and scum hunt and everything but I can't focus. that is mainly why I was inactive yesterday. hopefully it goes well and I can focus on the game after the interview

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:19 am We tied. 3-3-3-3

Thems pretty numbers

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:47 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:19 am We tied. 3-3-3-3

Thems pretty numbers

Visually appealing, but let's appreciate it and then move on to consolidation.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:56 am Let's ask the dead villagers for reads.

Who was the role that allowed a dead villager to vote each day? It could've guided us.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:02 pm You could say that kill made the game more difficult.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:02 pm Another thing that is making this game difficult is as we get lower in numbers all I want to do is get an edge wherever I can, and I’m starting to resort to angleshooting. And I don’t know what to do about that. It’s frankly pissing me off

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:04 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:02 pm Another thing that is making this game difficult is as we get lower in numbers all I want to do is get an edge wherever I can, and I’m starting to resort to angleshooting. And I don’t know what to do about that. It’s frankly pissing me off

I really think LC is a hit. I really, really do.

But I'll look like a clown if I'm wrong, and I know I'm town. That's why I'm trying to vote with my townreads.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:11 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:04 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:02 pm Another thing that is making this game difficult is as we get lower in numbers all I want to do is get an edge wherever I can, and I’m starting to resort to angleshooting. And I don’t know what to do about that. It’s frankly pissing me off

I really think LC is a hit. I really, really do.

But I'll look like a clown if I'm wrong, and I know I'm town. That's why I'm trying to vote with my townreads.

LC has been sus of you and looking your way since d4.
I’d normally just say ya he’s probably omgus’ing you, but he’s followed this line.
Meanwhile you came to your conclusion on him later, so yours looks more advantageous

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:12 pm Ugh I’m with jack.

I hate this game

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:14 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:11 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:04 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:02 pm Another thing that is making this game difficult is as we get lower in numbers all I want to do is get an edge wherever I can, and I’m starting to resort to angleshooting. And I don’t know what to do about that. It’s frankly pissing me off

I really think LC is a hit. I really, really do.

But I'll look like a clown if I'm wrong, and I know I'm town. That's why I'm trying to vote with my townreads.

LC has been sus of you and looking your way since d4.
I’d normally just say ya he’s probably omgus’ing you, but he’s followed this line.
Meanwhile you came to your conclusion on him later, so yours looks more advantageous

I'm not sure what you mean by this part - does Vulgard have the advantage, or is he taking advantage...?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:15 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:12 pm Ugh I’m with jack.

I hate this game

In my heart of hearts, I think you are a wolf, Scotty. Don't Final 3 with me if you are.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:27 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:15 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:12 pm Ugh I’m with jack.

I hate this game

In my heart of hearts, I think you are a wolf, Scotty. Don't Final 3 with me if you are.

How about in your jack hearts

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:27 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:15 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:12 pm Ugh I’m with jack.

I hate this game

In my heart of hearts, I think you are a wolf, Scotty. Don't Final 3 with me if you are.

How about in your jack of hearts

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:15 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:12 pm Ugh I’m with jack.

I hate this game

In my heart of hearts, I think you are a wolf, Scotty. Don't Final 3 with me if you are.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:28 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:15 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:12 pm Ugh I’m with jack.

I hate this game

In my heart of hearts, I think you are a wolf, Scotty. Don't Final 3 with me if you are.

Also I don’t know if you’re joking or not with this but if you think I’m going to final 3 in any capacity with the way I’m playing, you’re being disingenuous.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 2:31 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:39 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:34 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:20 pm I feel like I caught jack in a web, and falcon is also slipping into that web.

If your supatown read is KZA, you should trust that Made is also town, not backpedal like jack or flat out be fine with made’s lynch like falcon

I totally forgot Kaz has a green check on Made. I am smrt

How do you forget that. You even quoted that post 12 hours ago.

It can be easy to forget who is confirmed town if you know who the town already is

Congrats, Scotty. You caught two wolves who both forgot the same green peek.

Now let’s get serious. Talk more about Marmot.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 10:54 pm So I’m somewhere like


Townread
KZA
Bo
Mac
Made
Falcon

Townlean (these reads are all stupid)
Kyle
Scotty
Tony
LC

???
Enrique
Nacho (yeet if Daisy is a wolf)
Marmot
Quin
anyone else if forgotten

Scumread
Tim
Flanders
Daisy

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:54 pm That list may be TOO awful to come from a wolf.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:43 pm Oh, by the way. There's a mechanical problem.
If I survive today, I don't know what to do. My options are all negative utility in this gamestate like the jailkeep on Gavial.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:21 am At this point, based on what Vulgard posted, he’s got no read on MR and it is purely a self pres. they could still be aligned

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:46 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 10:54 pm So I’m somewhere like


Townread
KZA
Bo
Mac
Made
Falcon

Townlean (these reads are all stupid)
Kyle
Scotty
Tony
LC

???
Enrique
Nacho (yeet if Daisy is a wolf)
Marmot
Quin
anyone else if forgotten

Scumread
Tim
Flanders
Daisy

D3. Look at that sexy list. Jack, I know neither of us have had good reads but damn

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:43 pm Oh, by the way. There's a mechanical problem.
If I survive today, I don't know what to do. My options are all negative utility in this gamestate like the jailkeep on Gavial.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:57 pm Jack > falcon

Spoiler: show

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:48 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:43 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 11:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 11:54 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 10:16 pm Fwiw I really like nacho’s entrance. I feel like he just started playing- we’re playing twister and it’s back foot green and we’re both jockeying for that spot!

Yeah, he feels town. Which is another minor hole in my Daisy suspicion.

I’m

Pondering the likelihood of a world where Daisy and Tim are town and Marmot and Flanders are not.

Need to work out in my head who another three wolves would be with that.

I’m gonna work out in my head a world in which I’m just tunneling you (with apparently daisy) since I’m apparently wrong about your guilt according to *everyone else*

How do you see falcon fitting in to that arrangement?

Idk.

I’ve felt Falcon has had a good tone all game but idk if I’ve seen their scum game ever. Falcon briefly pursued the “yeet someone I think is town” strategy but he got off it pretty damn quick in a way that felt not like a wolf backpedaling.

Falcon meh

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:59 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:55 am Nachomamma's ISO I could best describe as inoffensive. There's nothing in it that definitively told me they have no TMI. But it is not a dumpster fire and I do not want to kill this yet.

Falcon's ISO is a step below that. He spent most of the game pushing LHF. The push on Marmot is especially notable because he's tunneled on it hard. If Marmot's mafia, then this looks better for him, but I currently don't think Marmot's a wolf.

Vibbing with these reads.

Falcon meh

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:23 pm Idk who I wanna yeet but if I did, it would probably be Tim.

Made
Scotty
Daisy
Marmot
Vul
Tony
Gavil
LC
Kyle
Radishes
Falcon
Nacho
Monkey
Tim

I hate this list.

Falcon somewhere on bottom

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:29 pm Let’s go @Kylemii

Tim yeet. Maybe Falcon tomorrow

Falcon not priority

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:35 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:34 pm vote for falcon or you're a wolf it's as easy as that

Falcon has less votes than Tim and one is Nacho.

Is there a case for why Falcon over Tim?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:37 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:36 pm maybe I'm thinking about this completely wrong

From a strategic standpoint, yeah.

Falcon could still be a wolf but if only 1 or 2 townies are voting there....

Falcon maaaaybe but doubtful

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:39 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:37 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:36 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:35 pm the marmot wagon probably has four towns which I think makes marmot significantly more likely to be town

If everyone on the Marmot wagon AND Marmot are town, who is your poe?

the falcon wagon, falcon, vulgard, maybe you

Lol 4/5 of Kyle/Falcon/Nacho/Vulgard/Jack.

Jesus, Tony. I think you got probably 2-3 wolves on that list.

Casting doubt on falcon wagon

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:53 pm I’ll vote Falcon if Tim will.

Vote for falcon...if your top scum read...will? This makes absolutely no sense

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:37 pm Like I didn’t see a Tim fighting his ass off to get Falcon chopped. Not even close. I saw a Tim hoping Tim would run out and a Marmot yeet would go through.

Nor you, lol

Something doesn’t add up with Jack’s vote do falcon. This could absolutely be a bus

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:57 pm Scotty says Jack says “Vote for falcon...if your top scum read...will?” wrt me wanting Tim to vote Falcon instead of Marmot. “This makes absolutely no sense”

That’s me trying to consolidate votes. I was voting for Tim. Tim was voting for Marmot. I think Falcon and Tim are wolves and Marmot is town.

Town Tim (in theory) will be willing to switch from town Marmot to wolf Falcon. Wolf Tim (in theory) will be willing to do the same so as to look townie, especially if he’s worried Falcon will flip anyway without his vote, making him look super scummy.

So in theory, making this proposition protects a townread (Marmot) and a wolfread (Tim) to ensure the death of a wolfread (Falcon).

It’s not a nonsensical stall. It’s me trying to save a townie and yeet a wolf which, in the end, I did.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:20 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:21 am At this point, based on what Vulgard posted, he’s got no read on MR and it is purely a self pres. they could still be aligned

If Radishes flips red I will defend Vulgard and probably just follow his reads. I don't think that TWO wolves case Falcon and wind up voting me...that's a wolf and a town that the wolf wants to look like.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:57 pm Scotty says Jack says “Vote for falcon...if your top scum read...will?” wrt me wanting Tim to vote Falcon instead of Marmot. “This makes absolutely no sense”

That’s me trying to consolidate votes. I was voting for Tim. Tim was voting for Marmot. I think Falcon and Tim are wolves and Marmot is town.

Town Tim (in theory) will be willing to switch from town Marmot to wolf Falcon. Wolf Tim (in theory) will be willing to do the same so as to look townie, especially if he’s worried Falcon will flip anyway without his vote, making him look super scummy.

So in theory, making this proposition protects a townread (Marmot) and a wolfread (Tim) to ensure the death of a wolfread (Falcon).

It’s not a nonsensical stall. It’s me trying to save a townie and yeet a wolf which, in the end, I did.

What if Marmot was a wolf all along tho?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:03 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:57 pm Scotty says Jack says “Vote for falcon...if your top scum read...will?” wrt me wanting Tim to vote Falcon instead of Marmot. “This makes absolutely no sense”

That’s me trying to consolidate votes. I was voting for Tim. Tim was voting for Marmot. I think Falcon and Tim are wolves and Marmot is town.

Town Tim (in theory) will be willing to switch from town Marmot to wolf Falcon. Wolf Tim (in theory) will be willing to do the same so as to look townie, especially if he’s worried Falcon will flip anyway without his vote, making him look super scummy.

So in theory, making this proposition protects a townread (Marmot) and a wolfread (Tim) to ensure the death of a wolfread (Falcon).

It’s not a nonsensical stall. It’s me trying to save a townie and yeet a wolf which, in the end, I did.

What if Marmot was a wolf all along tho?

Well then I’m an even bigger idiot and Marmot did exactly what I was trying to make you do.

But I don’t think so. Mac’s treatment of Marmot is suicide for no good reason if they’re partnered.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:57 pm Jack > falcon

Spoiler: show

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:48 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:43 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 11:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 11:54 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 10:16 pm Fwiw I really like nacho’s entrance. I feel like he just started playing- we’re playing twister and it’s back foot green and we’re both jockeying for that spot!

Yeah, he feels town. Which is another minor hole in my Daisy suspicion.

I’m

Pondering the likelihood of a world where Daisy and Tim are town and Marmot and Flanders are not.

Need to work out in my head who another three wolves would be with that.

I’m gonna work out in my head a world in which I’m just tunneling you (with apparently daisy) since I’m apparently wrong about your guilt according to *everyone else*

How do you see falcon fitting in to that arrangement?

Idk.

I’ve felt Falcon has had a good tone all game but idk if I’ve seen their scum game ever. Falcon briefly pursued the “yeet someone I think is town” strategy but he got off it pretty damn quick in a way that felt not like a wolf backpedaling.

Falcon meh

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:59 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:55 am Nachomamma's ISO I could best describe as inoffensive. There's nothing in it that definitively told me they have no TMI. But it is not a dumpster fire and I do not want to kill this yet.

Falcon's ISO is a step below that. He spent most of the game pushing LHF. The push on Marmot is especially notable because he's tunneled on it hard. If Marmot's mafia, then this looks better for him, but I currently don't think Marmot's a wolf.

Vibbing with these reads.

Falcon meh

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:23 pm Idk who I wanna yeet but if I did, it would probably be Tim.

Made
Scotty
Daisy
Marmot
Vul
Tony
Gavil
LC
Kyle
Radishes
Falcon
Nacho
Monkey
Tim

I hate this list.

Falcon somewhere on bottom

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:29 pm Let’s go @Kylemii

Tim yeet. Maybe Falcon tomorrow

Falcon not priority

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:35 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:34 pm vote for falcon or you're a wolf it's as easy as that

Falcon has less votes than Tim and one is Nacho.

Is there a case for why Falcon over Tim?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:37 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:36 pm maybe I'm thinking about this completely wrong

From a strategic standpoint, yeah.

Falcon could still be a wolf but if only 1 or 2 townies are voting there....

Falcon maaaaybe but doubtful

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:39 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:37 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:36 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:35 pm the marmot wagon probably has four towns which I think makes marmot significantly more likely to be town

If everyone on the Marmot wagon AND Marmot are town, who is your poe?

the falcon wagon, falcon, vulgard, maybe you

Lol 4/5 of Kyle/Falcon/Nacho/Vulgard/Jack.

Jesus, Tony. I think you got probably 2-3 wolves on that list.

Casting doubt on falcon wagon

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:53 pm I’ll vote Falcon if Tim will.

Vote for falcon...if your top scum read...will? This makes absolutely no sense

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:37 pm Like I didn’t see a Tim fighting his ass off to get Falcon chopped. Not even close. I saw a Tim hoping Tim would run out and a Marmot yeet would go through.

Nor you, lol

Something doesn’t add up with Jack’s vote do falcon. This could absolutely be a bus