The Syndicate

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:45 pm**

So am I to understand there is some question about whether or not I was lynched?

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:45 pm**

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:30 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:28 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:27 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:23 pm ....That's not what I asked.

What makes her vote record worse than mine-- someone you were convinced was bad just two days ago?
... the fact that she has verifiably lynched town?
And what of the other voters on those trains?

Are they just as bad yet they did not vote for Dragomir?
Nutella and Hyena are the only two players to participate in both town MLs. I don't think it's Hyena.

There's no reason hyena and I can't both be town.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:45 pm**

Everyone loving the false dichotomies this game lol

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:46 pm**

Eva at 666 posts.

Guys, I told you.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:47 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:46 pm Eva at 666 posts.

Guys, I told you.

Omg and Pawn is user 666.

My spicy take is coming true!

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:47 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:32 pm I have no idea what's going on. I thought I got lynched.

You got lynched but all it does in the other threads is move you up. Then we all got booted. Here we are.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:48 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:47 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:32 pm I have no idea what's going on. I thought I got lynched.
You got lynched but all it does in the other threads is move you up. Then we all got booted. Here we are.

Okay, I saw some more posts from Pawn about me getting lynched but I think it means I've been lynched twice? Damn b. What kind of Mafia game am I playing here

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:50 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:48 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:47 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:32 pm I have no idea what's going on. I thought I got lynched.
You got lynched but all it does in the other threads is move you up. Then we all got booted. Here we are.
Okay, I saw some more posts from Pawn about me getting lynched but I think it means I've been lynched twice? Damn b. What kind of Mafia game am I playing here

A damn fine one.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:50 pm**

I mean I for one am really enjoying it and think the hosts have done a great job.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:51 pm**

I'd like to hear more things about 112.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:52 pm**

Okay, bed time. Even radishes need to sleep.

For the record, I'm enjoying this game immensely. Awesome theme and flavour, crazy twists, enjoyable personalities.

SPREAD THE LOVE.

And lynch the baddies.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:52 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:50 pm I mean I for one am really enjoying it and think the hosts have done a great job.

I agree.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:52 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:50 pm I mean I for one am really enjoying it and think the hosts have done a great job.

I agree.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:52 pm**

[VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine

What's your deal.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:53 pm**

112 said it was scummy when I asked Mac an innocuous question in the other thread, and that wasn't very nice of them.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:53 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:50 pm I mean I for one am really enjoying it and think the hosts have done a great job.

Mac, don't stress about it. It's a great game. It's only a couple people complaining (just very loudly) and some of them might have agendas behind their words.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:54 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:52 pm [VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine

What's your deal.

Pursue this, please.

Right, sleep.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:56 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:52 pm Okay, bed time. Even radishes need to sleep.

For the record, I'm enjoying this game immensely. Awesome theme and flavour, crazy twists, enjoyable personalities.

SPREAD THE LOVE.

And lynch the baddies.

I apologize for my contributions to the more toxic/hostile bits. I think everyone here is a wonderful person and I don't want anyone to feel like their contributions are not wanted or valuable. I want all the new members to feel welcome and to play more games on this site with us <3

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:58 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:56 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:52 pm Okay, bed time. Even radishes need to sleep.

For the record, I'm enjoying this game immensely. Awesome theme and flavour, crazy twists, enjoyable personalities.

SPREAD THE LOVE.

And lynch the baddies.

I apologize for my contributions to the more toxic/hostile bits. I think everyone here is a wonderful person and I don't want anyone to feel like their contributions are not wanted or valuable. I want all the new members to feel welcome and to play more games on this site with us <3

Fuck you!

Thanks for saying you were excited to play with me again though

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:58 pm**

[mention]Elephant[/mention] I don't think you're here right now but when you see this, tell me why I shouldn't just lynch you now that juliets is not stopping me.

I am waffling on Eva again.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:58 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:58 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:56 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:52 pm Okay, bed time. Even radishes need to sleep.

For the record, I'm enjoying this game immensely. Awesome theme and flavour, crazy twists, enjoyable personalities.

SPREAD THE LOVE.

And lynch the baddies.

I apologize for my contributions to the more toxic/hostile bits. I think everyone here is a wonderful person and I don't want anyone to feel like their contributions are not wanted or valuable. I want all the new members to feel welcome and to play more games on this site with us <3
Fuck you!

Thanks for saying you were excited to play with me again though

It's good to see you around.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:58 pm**

[mention]Master Radishes[/mention] I thought vanity had some susp on him before Elephant's case but I would have to look back to be sure. Elephant's case seemed to bring everything to a head. I agree with nutella that Hyena seemed genuine in his push, though at the time I thought Elephant was too. TLib wasn't as much of a factor but he did participate. I would say though that all of us who voted him had a role in the eventual lynch.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:59 pm**

I was sort of sketched out by Pawn in the last level I was in because I felt like he was misrepresenting the previous level we shared pretty severely. That said, I see him having those same kind of arguments here and I don't think anyone would be so bold as to gaslight the entire big thread, so I feel better there.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:00 pm**

Can everybody just do Colin a big ol' favor and like ... one-line summarize your current vote for me. I'll love you 5ever.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:03 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:00 pm Can everybody just do Colin a big ol' favor and like ... one-line summarize your current vote for me. I'll love you 5ever.

Colin, I'm not sure I understand - you don't have any votes.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:03 pm**

[mention]Hyena[/mention], the more I think about it the more I can see potential agenda in your play. You were one of the hardest pushers of vanity, and yet you took a brief detour on d4 onto me, criticizing my multiple flip-flops on vanity. It's not too hard to see a scum motive for you trying to see if a push on me would take off to stretch us out to yet another mislynch while keeping vanity on the table. I am actively forcing myself to no longer assume you are town, so if you are, make sure it keeps shining through or my tinfoil will gain ground.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:04 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:58 pm @Master Radishes I thought vanity had some susp on him before Elephant's case but I would have to look back to be sure. Elephant's case seemed to bring everything to a head. I agree with nutella that Hyena seemed genuine in his push, though at the time I thought Elephant was too. TLib wasn't as much of a factor but he did participate. I would say though that all of us who voted him had a role in the eventual lynch.

On the surface this makes TL sound worse. Scum tend to follow bad cases more often than outright pushing them.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:04 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:03 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:00 pm Can everybody just do Colin a big ol' favor and like ... one-line summarize your current vote for me. I'll love you 5ever.
Colin, I'm not sure I understand - you don't have any votes.

Sorry, I mean to say: can everyone explain why they're voting the way they are?

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:05 pm**

Colin I am voting for TL because nobody is talking about TL and I feel like they require some prodding.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:08 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:04 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:58 pm @Master Radishes I thought vanity had some susp on him before Elephant's case but I would have to look back to be sure. Elephant's case seemed to bring everything to a head. I agree with nutella that Hyena seemed genuine in his push, though at the time I thought Elephant was too. TLib wasn't as much of a factor but he did participate. I would say though that all of us who voted him had a role in the eventual lynch.
On the surface this makes TL sound worse. Scum tend to follow bad cases more often than outright pushing them.

Ah yes I can see that perspective. TLib is still a big ? for me.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:10 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:04 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:03 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:00 pm Can everybody just do Colin a big ol' favor and like ... one-line summarize your current vote for me. I'll love you 5ever.
Colin, I'm not sure I understand - you don't have any votes.
Sorry, I mean to say: can everyone explain why they're voting the way they are?

Oh, lol, I read the sentence wrong.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:11 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:04 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:03 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:00 pm Can everybody just do Colin a big ol' favor and like ... one-line summarize your current vote for me. I'll love you 5ever.
Colin, I'm not sure I understand - you don't have any votes.
Sorry, I mean to say: can everyone explain why they're voting the way they are?

I'm voting for Eva because she was one of the "final three" in a level so it makes sense to lynch within those three, and based on radish's and sprityo's descriptions her actions in that level sounded scum-motivated, and radish had lots of other good points on her from previous phases, and the NKs have thus far been mostly players that she would be afraid of reading her correctly, and her interactions with drago don't preclude them being w/w in my opinion, and her thread content in general hs been opportunistic at best and agenda-y/controlling at worst, and I think she may have taken advantage of the janitored kill, and.... ok I'll stop there.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:17 pm**

I would be fairly happy with an Elephant vote as well, because he instigated and perpetuated the vanity focus and I have some reason to believe he has been controlling in some other ways, potentially including pocketing juliets and taking advantage of her not only in order to make himself look good but in order to benefit the scum team in the long term.

I think TL may well be scum and would be the relatively "safe" poe shot based on GH's article; however I have townread his posts at face value, and his flip will not do much for us in solving other slots. We do need a scum flip and he may be a good bet, but I have reservations there and I think it it's probably a better choice at this point to lynch within the "F3" group and solve from there.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:21 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:40 pm Idk why I thought the day ended today. See ya.

Come back and play dude. Did you ever explain your Eva vote?

I expect a lot more from you as town. Even if it's just more memes and gifs; you tend to be much looser in the thread as town. You seem very restricted and reserved this game. Where's your big mouth at?

I think you are scum. Prove me wrong.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:24 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:03 pm @Hyena, the more I think about it the more I can see potential agenda in your play. You were one of the hardest pushers of vanity, and yet you took a brief detour on d4 onto me, criticizing my multiple flip-flops on vanity. It's not too hard to see a scum motive for you trying to see if a push on me would take off to stretch us out to yet another mislynch while keeping vanity on the table. I am actively forcing myself to no longer assume you are town, so if you are, make sure it keeps shining through or my tinfoil will gain ground.

Understood.

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Also, it feels like everybody is treating Nutella's involvement with Vanity's lynch equally with mine and Elephant's. I kinda strong-armed her into voting Vanity on D4. Does that change anyone's perspective?

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:26 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:59 pm I was sort of sketched out by Pawn in the last level I was in because I felt like he was misrepresenting the previous level we shared pretty severely. That said, I see him having those same kind of arguments here and I don't think anyone would be so bold as to gaslight the entire big thread, so I feel better there.

Full disclosure I am very much a bold scum. I prefer being indirect and letting others do my dirty work but if I need to get my hands dirty I will go in deep.

You can TR me jut fine but do it on actually valid grounds please.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:26 pm**

I don't know that I'd agree with that, I like to think I made the decision myself

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:28 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:30 pm And now for something completely different.

@nutella @Long Con @Trustworthy Liberal @Elephant @juliets @Hyena

Am I right in characterising things this way: Elephant started the vanity wagon and together with mainly T Lib and Hyena powered it through each round?

I admit to at times glazing over and skimming, so I want to know how you guys feel it evolved.

Based on estimated numbers, there are clearly at least two scum amongst you, quite likely more considering you started with 11 in your level. You guys form a grouping that needs solving too.

So, Elephant cased Vanity and was the main pusher on him on D2. After D2, though, I started seriously pushing on Vanity, at times more than Elephant. As far as influence over what happened goes, Elephant and I probably had equal influence, Nutella resisted and flip-flopped a couple times between Elephant and Vanity, and TLib kinda just sheeped us. That's from my perspective at least.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:28 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:26 pm I don't know that I'd agree with that, I like to think I made the decision myself

I mean, you did kinda flip-flop a couple times before you came to your final decision. :P

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:29 pm**

[mention]Hyena[/mention] I don't remember you strong arming her - are you talking about your big post on how many times she flipped on him? Or something else?

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:30 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:29 pm @Hyena I don't remember you strong arming her - are you talking about your big post on how many times she flipped on him? Or something else?

Yes.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:30 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:11 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:04 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:03 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:00 pm Can everybody just do Colin a big ol' favor and like ... one-line summarize your current vote for me. I'll love you 5ever.
Colin, I'm not sure I understand - you don't have any votes.
Sorry, I mean to say: can everyone explain why they're voting the way they are?
I'm voting for Eva because she was one of the "final three" in a level so it makes sense to lynch within those three, and based on radish's and sprityo's descriptions her actions in that level sounded scum-motivated, and radish had lots of other good points on her from previous phases, and the NKs have thus far been mostly players that she would be afraid of reading her correctly, and her interactions with drago don't preclude them being w/w in my opinion, and her thread content in general hs been opportunistic at best and agenda-y/controlling at worst, and I think she may have taken advantage of the janitored kill, and.... ok I'll stop there.

Will point out that I was blatantly full in on TRing Eva and iaafr, never rescind and all that. She never had to kill me, she had to have known how I'd go in any f3, and the idea that it wouldn't end in the f3 is odd due to how long this game already was by then. So the kill on me doesn't make sense from her perspective.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:32 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:11 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:04 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:03 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:00 pm Can everybody just do Colin a big ol' favor and like ... one-line summarize your current vote for me. I'll love you 5ever.
Colin, I'm not sure I understand - you don't have any votes.
Sorry, I mean to say: can everyone explain why they're voting the way they are?
I'm voting for Eva because she was one of the "final three" in a level so it makes sense to lynch within those three, and based on radish's and sprityo's descriptions her actions in that level sounded scum-motivated, and radish had lots of other good points on her from previous phases, and the NKs have thus far been mostly players that she would be afraid of reading her correctly, and her interactions with drago don't preclude them being w/w in my opinion, and her thread content in general hs been opportunistic at best and agenda-y/controlling at worst, and I think she may have taken advantage of the janitored kill, and.... ok I'll stop there.

So does that (final three) mean they were the last three there after a bunch of people (I'd have to assume I'm one of those) got "eliminated"? And we're thinking to lynch within that group because we think the hosts would have made at least one of them be scum?

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:33 pm**

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:26 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:59 pm I was sort of sketched out by Pawn in the last level I was in because I felt like he was misrepresenting the previous level we shared pretty severely. That said, I see him having those same kind of arguments here and I don't think anyone would be so bold as to gaslight the entire big thread, so I feel better there.
Full disclosure I am very much a bold scum. I prefer being indirect and letting others do my dirty work but if I need to get my hands dirty I will go in deep.

You can TR me jut fine but do it on actually valid grounds please.

Well, those are my grounds, so ...

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:34 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:21 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:40 pm Idk why I thought the day ended today. See ya.
Come back and play dude. Did you ever explain your Eva vote?

I expect a lot more from you as town. Even if it's just more memes and gifs; you tend to be much looser in the thread as town. You seem very restricted and reserved this game. Where's your big mouth at?

I think you are scum. Prove me wrong.

I’ve been busy.

Look, Sprityo/Radishes/Eva can’t all be town.

Sprityo has seemed pretty townie to me.

Earlier, Radishes looked bad and Eva looked good. Yesterday, Radishes looked fine and Eva looked bad.

Even if I didn’t have any confidence in Eva as scum, we should lynch in that grouping.

Dickbutt.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:35 pm**

So, like, here was what I had posted about Nutella on D4 when I was going after her about her flip-flopping:

Spoiler: show

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:26 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:50 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:36 pm elephant is so agenda-y
Spicy take. How so?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:51 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:39 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:36 pm elephant is so agenda-y
I keep getting pings that he's slowly planting the seeds for future mislynches.
I can see that I guess at least in his interaction with juliets about Tony, that was pretty weird imo.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:29 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:24 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:22 pm TL and to some extent Drago feel like the too-easy options for D1. Though Drago has also kinda disappeared. See if some pressure brings him in.[VOTE: drago] aubergine

Prob not staying on either of these guys. I don't want to end in a lame small brained mislynch. I wanna catch the big fishes
who are your big fish candidates
Pawn, LLD, maybe juliets or elephant

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:18 pm @Elephant I was thinking of your interaction with juliets as planting seeds on Tony, not on juliets but using her for it. Like she had backed off of her case but you were heavily encouraging her to go back and reinforce it.
Suspicion on Elephant from D1.
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:07 pm So vanity was an earlier Drago vote, briefly left it, then eventually was the one to break the tie with Epi. He's probably just town here.
Calls Vanity probably town at the beginning to D2.

(cont.)

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:32 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:28 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:51 am The analysis that nutella posted along with her vote history had this:
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:07 pmSo vanity was an earlier Drago vote, briefly left it, then eventually was the one to break the tie with Epi. He's probably just town here.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:07 pmBenson, iaafr, and pawn look generally okay but certainly not cleared from this. I'm trying to figure out who looks too clean and it's hard to tell. Maybe vanity.
Why does iaafr ending on "no lynch" look ok to you?
Why does Pawn Lelouch voting Dragomir look ok to you, but Trustworthy Liberal voting him next does not?
Why does Benson sheeping vanity. look ok to you? At the same time, vanity. looks "too clean", how is that?
I struggle to follow your thoughts here, nutella.
Idk, I admit I didn't spend a lot of time thinking about each player and just sort of typed up my first instincts. Your points here are definitely worth considering.

I thought those people looked ok on balance based on timing and how they defended their votes but it's not conclusive by any means.

I think Benson is just very towny overall, but I'm glad you're questioning vanity bc I'm less sure about him.
Elephant's points are now worth considering, and starting to switch on Vanity.
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:10 am Ugh as much as I feel attached to my spiny suspicion I have to say boo is looking town now. I think his takes are largely misguided due to culture clash, but I think he really believes them.

Gonna move to [VOTE: vanity] aubergine for some pressure. Where you been dude? Kinda seems like you're coasting

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:23 am @vanity. you don't have a huge number of D2 posts, and in most of them you have some focus on whether or not certain players were on the Drago wagon and ensuring that we consider potential bussing. I feel like we all reached a consensus that yes we need to look for bussers but somehow your contributions stop there and you haven't been very active in our actual hunting activity so far. If it's just a time issue I won't hold it against you but I do expect a little more when you're available.
Turns into a vote and accusation against Vanity. What's her opinion on Elephant at this moment? Maybe there isn't an explicit townread but she sure seems open to working with him against vanity at the moment:
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:32 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:50 am To be absolutely clear, I do not scumread strong player bias per se, nor do I believe that only those players who have posted reads lists today have it. I do suspect the attempt to limit the day's activity to pushes on the weaker players only.
The strong player bias certainly exists and is a real trap that town can often fall into that makes it progressively harder to sniff out deepwolves because certain people are just granted townreads based on style as if they're scum they can coast on that. I'm glad you're bringing it up, the sooner we scrutinize our "strong player" townreads the better.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:11 pm Anyway yeah I am liking elephant's vanity case

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:38 am
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:48 pm @vanity. sorry dude, like I said I won't blame you for not being around, but please address this post:

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:23 am @vanity. you don't have a huge number of D2 posts, and in most of them you have some focus on whether or not certain players were on the Drago wagon and ensuring that we consider potential bussing. I feel like we all reached a consensus that yes we need to look for bussers but somehow your contributions stop there and you haven't been very active in our actual hunting activity so far. If it's just a time issue I won't hold it against you but I do expect a little more when you're available.
And please also address the actual points in elephant's iso. I will probably move off you but only if you take this pressure seriously.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:25 am
vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:27 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:26 pm When will I be mislynched btw? I want to know when it's ready
why are you so concerned about being lynched today? just because you didn't vote on the wolf wagon?
Not a fan of this post
Still against Vanity at this point, and then....
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:11 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:57 pm Ugh vanity, the only thing Im nervous about is how concerned you are about how "villagery" you've been. That just makes me suspect you're a wolf that thinks he played a clean game and deserves credit.
But he did the same thing in wc1 to some extent.

I'm still uneasy about him but not feeling great about actually voting him anymore. [VOTE: boo] aubergine
Nothing done to resolve the Elephant vs. Vanity conflict. I'll give her some leeway here though, since things weren't really all that clear at that time.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:47 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:47 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:43 pm Someone wanna tag me with cliff notes about who was scummy yesterday here, cause uh....I’m not reading back
Lol like nobody tho. Maybe elephant or vanity but never both

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:11 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:51 pm Most all of us were read as scum by some at some point in the day (nutella I think we all saw as town all the way through).
And Benson. He and I were both pretty clear of suspicion.

You, LC, and TL I have varying levels of concern about but after yesterday I think it's likely one of elephant or vanity is scum, maybe with TL also based on how that went down.
It's subtle, but she's still pushing that Elephant vs Vanity agenda here. TLib, who Vanity is voting for currently, is also thrown in here, too, as a possible partner to them.
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:25 pm @Creature why aren't you scum

@Elephant why aren't you scum

I'ma start with a vote for one of you two probs

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:05 pm [VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:57 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:50 pm @nutella did you see my questions to you? If you don't want to talk about both, maybe you could just talk about Elephant since you voted him.
I just feel like he's the most likely scum in this bunch rn, partially poe and partially his thread activity/pushes on d2 (and some on d1). Like in general he seems like he might have an agenda. Could be teamed with TL I guess. I will do more in depth research in a bit, see how I feel about him in relation to Drago and such.
Switching back to the "Elephant is scum" side again.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:52 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:32 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:26 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:05 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:05 pm [VOTE: Elephant] aubergine
[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine
[VOTE: vanity] aubergine
Mmm?
Here, I placed a vote on Vanity to compete with the Elephant wagon.
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:33 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:32 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:50 am hyena why are you such a tough case to crack every time you're in the game...

like i want to say this is villa hyena but... idk what else to say. i don't think it's that simple tbh
I like making this complicated. :P Keeps the game fun.
Actually that's a p bad post from vanity

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:38 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:35 pm Nutella, you've called Vanity potential scum a couple times, but you haven't seemed to really push on him all that much from what I've seen. Is there something going on between you two? :P
I'm hesitant to vote for him bc I keep getting pushed back to thinking he's town but at the moment I'm leaning more toward taking suspicion of him more seriously
Swinging BAAAACK to "vanity is more suspicious"
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:47 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:43 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:26 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:12 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:10 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:09 pm is flavor claiming even legal in this game?
JJJ said in the rules post we can claim character but not role or abilities.
Nice I tottaly missed that does it give us anything to flavor claim?
....what is this

you've like, read your role pm right?

or are you scum with a safe claim like dragomir's that you missed somehow lol
This is related to the townslip from him I mentioned yesterday. :P Suppose TL /didn't/ have a fakeclaim and didn't have a role that looked similar to the VTs that have been flipped so far, like Dragomir's for example (he flipped as FORGER). What would that lead you to believe?

(again though, take it with a huuuuge grain of salt)
sure ok
Doesn't challenge me on my TLib read here despite scumreading(?) him earlier.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:00 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:04 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:28 pm Hmm.

Question to all:

Do you think Spiny/Boo flipping town helped the other group solve people within their group? Do you think one of Vanity's or Elephant's flips will help them? How about Ty4on, who they apparently voted out of the group? Should we be trying to help give them info via flipping the people they send here?
Well I think vanity's or elephant's flip could be interesting to them regardless, though they'd have to assess interactions from d1 based on memory
Supports flipping one of Vanity or Elephant here.
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:24 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:13 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:26 pmSure
Can we do vanity first or are you set on elephant?
Nah I'll probably be down for vanity. I didn't get around to investigating elephant more today like I meant to, though I might have a chance later or in the morning.
Down for Vanity first.
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:24 pm Still waiting for some reaction from vanity to the wagon, but I could be down for an LC counter. I might be on the wrong track with Elephant, and Creature has a point that someone's gotta be skating by without much attention and LC is certainly a prime candidate for that position.
Then she's down for a counter wagon, lol.
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:32 pm Nanook why do you think elephant and juliets are unlikely to be w/w? I was just considering that possibility so please enlighten me.

I find myself reaching the general conclusion that vanity is in fact the best choice for today. I have better reasons to townread just about everyone else. And I expect more of a fight from him as town.

Let's just do it [VOTE: vanity] aubergine
Back on board with a vanity lynch!
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:12 pm Ugh I do kind of believe the dumbtell though

back to [VOTE: elephant] aubergine
Then effortlessly swings back to voting Elephant, lol.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:05 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:15 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:12 pm yeah elephant's just a wolf. hope people sheep me glgl
I'm on board. I have a particular fear of being wrong about him specifically, but I feel bad enough about his play on balance that I feel okay voting him over you here.
On board with Vanity to lynch Elephant again!
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:17 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:15 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:15 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:12 pm yeah elephant's just a wolf. hope people sheep me glgl
I'm on board. I have a particular fear of being wrong about him specifically, but I feel bad enough about his play on balance that I feel okay voting him over you here.
you fear being wrong on him? why did you think he was town?
I'd rather not elaborate rn
TBH, I would personally like for you to elaborate because it feels like you don't have good reasons to explain why you're "townreading" either of Elephant or Vanity.
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:18 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:16 pm for the record wolves almost certainly voted on me while i was away so guess i'm lock clear xd
How many wolves do you think are in this group? Anyone you specifically think may be teamed with elephant?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:19 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:15 pm Welcome to the town core elephant and juliets

For me it’s between vanity and creature for the kill, nutes I’m guessing you want vanity over creature based off a snippet of a post I saw from you thay was a TR for creature I think?
Ugh idk. I switched very quickly to really thinking vanity is town.

Not totally convinced on the elephant/juliets thing but I guess I can't ask for why I should be.

Maybe we should just lynch ty4on
"Ayy, let's lynch Ty instead of doing what I said I wanted to do earlier and flip one of Elephant or Vanity."

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:07 am Like, do I really need to go on? Nutella has been swinging wherever the tide goes between Elephant and Vanity, and then, when she has had a chance to flip one of them, she hasn't. TWICE.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:35 pm**

Also, and this is kinda stupid, I think someone kinda sorta softed the mason, which was a lot of why I was townreading Eva.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:36 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:35 pm Also, and this is kinda stupid, I think someone kinda sorta softed the mason, which was a lot of why I was townreading Eva.

Ie it invalidates why I townread Eva D3.

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:36 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:11 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:03 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:35 am Hyena, what can you tell me about Pawn Lelouch? What is your opinion of this exchange?

Spoiler: show
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:24 pm I am at work, and unable to post much. I have meeting coming up soon (that includes a 50-slide Power Point about how to have a meeting ), but...

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:34 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:26 am but i mean yeah your logics a bit weird

wouldnt keeping him alive to keep sussing the towncore sow suspicion on its own?

why would scum assume people would even remember nooks reads
Yes, but Nook was relatively low impact in the thread so he probably wouldn't make much progress and might even be convinced to change his mind. Better to go for the guarantee rather than a gamble.

Because it's good town play to look back at those who died to try and divine the intent as to why they died. Since there is always a discernible reason behind a scum nightkill. The trick is actually figuring it out. Plus remembering the reads of one of 14 other players is far easier than that of 29 other players. Especially since scum could potentially just point it out themselves in thread as a reason why Nook could have been a silencing kill. So there's a fair chance that town would easily remember the reads or scum would just state it themselves.

I'm basically assuming that Epi is scum based off this as I read into the kill more and more. If I'm right this is a kill that came at it from a methodical view, which fits my mental image of Epi's style and even is something he has stated in previous days.
...this is rubbish. Absolute rubbish.

First, the qualifiers indicate someone who knows what he is saying is rubbish. "Basically assuming" is equivocal language. "As I read into the kill more and more" is a vague way to make it sound as though this perspective bears credibility. It doesn't. This is an attempt to appear analytical. The little lecture that precedes the accusation rings hollow.

Second, Pawn, who knows nothing about me and has no prior experience with me, suggests that he can correctly peg me specifically as killing Nanook. Nonsense. In fact, if you remember, Nanook was among my top suspects coming into Day 2. From my perspective, the incessant posts begging for credit for lynching Dragomir looked too on the nose. If I were mafia, I would have been confident I could have gathered support for a Nanook lynch. No- Nanook would not have been in my top ten choices for a kill.

Third, the accusation is empty. Any victim could be a "methodical" choice for the Night kill. What makes the Nanook kill specifically a methodical choice (as opposed to, say, an Evenstar kill or a Pawn kill)? The accusation is based on multiple assumptions that don't even support it.

Fourth, the basis for this accusation against me is at present non-falsifiable. "If I'm right this is a kill that came at it from a methodical view" is nothing that can be proved or disproved until endgame.

This is rubbish.

Do you think these are Pawn's genuine opinions?
Actually, yes, they could be. Based on the vibe I've gotten from Pawn, I think he would be the type of player to go for tinfoil reads like this one. I make reads like this, too, occasionally. This is NAI most likely.
And yet with eighteen others here after so many Days, do you believe he honestly believes his best bet is to vote for me?

Maybe to reaction test you. I don't know him well enough to guess if he'd do that or not, but it's something I'd do. :P

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:39 pm**

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:30 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:11 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:04 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:03 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:00 pm Can everybody just do Colin a big ol' favor and like ... one-line summarize your current vote for me. I'll love you 5ever.
Colin, I'm not sure I understand - you don't have any votes.
Sorry, I mean to say: can everyone explain why they're voting the way they are?
I'm voting for Eva because she was one of the "final three" in a level so it makes sense to lynch within those three, and based on radish's and sprityo's descriptions her actions in that level sounded scum-motivated, and radish had lots of other good points on her from previous phases, and the NKs have thus far been mostly players that she would be afraid of reading her correctly, and her interactions with drago don't preclude them being w/w in my opinion, and her thread content in general hs been opportunistic at best and agenda-y/controlling at worst, and I think she may have taken advantage of the janitored kill, and.... ok I'll stop there.
Will point out that I was blatantly full in on TRing Eva and iaafr, never rescind and all that. She never had to kill me, she had to have known how I'd go in any f3, and the idea that it wouldn't end in the f3 is odd due to how long this game already was by then. So the kill on me doesn't make sense from her perspective.

You’re talking about when you and Colin died? Were you told if you were nked or lynched?

Some of us don’t ever get lynched or nightkilled so we don’t know about these things.

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