The Syndicate

u need to pick 1 more person for the final 4

dunya + nutella + nanook + ?

psi or epi

i would take epi

psi by a mile

psi is probably my lockest town lmao


poe is tutuu/epi/marmot



dunya still possible but meh

Naw 3 locks the game as long as we avoid NKs

Which isn’t a certainty but

I think we’ll probably be ok

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:56 pm Naw 3 locks the game as long as we avoid NKs

Which isn’t a certainty but

I think we’ll probably be ok

i understood that you're talking about 3 people that you're certain are town but that's different from what i talked about

well maybe its not different

i was just responding to you saying "naw"

i believe that the final mafia is nanook, i could be wrong

hammer would be nice, 36 hours will be a drag

i dont think ddl is using hammers

i am still town ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i would prefer to win over to lose, and i would be happy for other members of the town to townread me

but not sure if there's much i can do in this position under this death tunnel from multiple ppl

am i wrong to think that no matter what i post is going to invoke a knee jerk reaction of people scumreading it due to their confirmation bias?

I still have not done my due diligence given that it's a Sunday in autumn and that entails engaging in the weekly ritual of lighting money on fire.

I will be about soon.

autumn in december? do you live close to the equator?

Autumn 2020 in Northern Hemisphere began on
Tuesday, September 22
and ends on
Monday, December 21
All dates are in Eastern Time.

wait im in the northern hemisphere too lol

ur right, i didnt know why i thought winter started earlier

@nutella have you seen devilman crybaby?

no

its really good, you should watch

All right guys, sorry I disappeared for a day, got busy with IRL stuff; but I'm back now so that's good.

I'm actually starting to townread Marmot right now, honestly? I think I have to do an ISO to figure out exactly why but I'm really feeling him town rn.

I still think Epi is the correct chop here, but I guess Tutuu is a good info chop if that's how things end up.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Tutuu still feels townie to me, but she's slipping down. I honestly don't know what to think about her at this point.

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:57 pm Tutuu still feels townie to me, but she's slipping down. I honestly don't know what to think about her at this point.

i think that you dont know what to think about me at this point because you have the correct read that im town, but you also feel the need to conform to the peer pressure of everyone else saying im mafia

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:59 pm

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:57 pm Tutuu still feels townie to me, but she's slipping down. I honestly don't know what to think about her at this point.

i think that you dont know what to think about me at this point because you have the correct read that im town, but you also feel the need to conform to the peer pressure of everyone else saying im mafia

Actually you're right, but it's also because you just finished a game where you were scum and apparently you did super well and tricked everybody so now I'm like "well the bar for Tutuu towniness is super high now, so maybe what she's done in this game isn't enough to warrent a townread"

Bleh I can't think of you as anything but town but I don't want to be wrong

I don’t think I’ve ever played a game I didn’t wish had hammers

I'm starting to think I'm just so incredibly convinced that Epi is the last scum that I can't see anyone else as scum anymore

This is probably a hard tunnel or something but I don't really feel like it's a tunnel it just feels like I solved the game

I shouldn't be this confident but I legitimately just can't see it any other way

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:04 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:59 pm

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:57 pm Tutuu still feels townie to me, but she's slipping down. I honestly don't know what to think about her at this point.

i think that you dont know what to think about me at this point because you have the correct read that im town, but you also feel the need to conform to the peer pressure of everyone else saying im mafia

Actually you're right, but it's also because you just finished a game where you were scum and apparently you did super well and tricked everybody so now I'm like "well the bar for Tutuu towniness is super high now, so maybe what she's done in this game isn't enough to warrent a townread"

Bleh I can't think of you as anything but town but I don't want to be wrong

nah, only nanook was a player (shortly) in that game, and nutella was in the unspoiled spec chat i believe. but none of them seem to have followed that game that closely + if nanook is mafia then has a reason for not bringing up his past experiences with ppl being wrong on their reads on me

people have just been wrongly reading me every game lately. in this perc game i played with nook they all piled up on me and yeeted me instead of a mechanically confirmed mafia, thats just how much they wanted me dead. in this finished scum game on the syndicate i was consensus townread and i was whooping some ass left and right

its not that my bar for townyness is super mega high, its just that people seem to read me the opposite of what i am

i am a consensus scumread now - guess my alignment

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:07 pm I'm starting to think I'm just so incredibly convinced that Epi is the last scum that I can't see anyone else as scum anymore

This is probably a hard tunnel or something but I don't really feel like it's a tunnel it just feels like I solved the game

I shouldn't be this confident but I legitimately just can't see it any other way

alright, i can see that ur town now.

maybe it could be epi

tutuu
dunya
nutella
PSI
marmot
epi
nook

voted epi for self-pres

maybe my friend marmot can help me too

we still lose 3 to 4 votes but we will die as champions

@Marmot do u remember when i said that im a pitcher and you're a baseball and im gonna throw you to f3 so hard that you will escape the stratosphere and you were like "WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

thats gonna happen to u if u dont help out ur friend tutuu with a vote on epi!!!!! please!!!!! im still gonna die but just for the sake of showing off that we're independent thinkers that don't conform to the hivemind people who r trying to lead the town!!!

day ends tomorrow ftr, not tonight

i was also shocked we're not in "winter" yet. to me winter starts end of november when i start freezing my ass off. earlier than that in sweden, since it starts snowing in october!

If there's anyone on the Tutuu wagon who townreads me and trusts my takes I would encourage you to vote Epi because I sincerely believe this is the correct chop and I really think chopping Tutuu is a mistake

spec chat's probably laughing about how misguided and overconfident I am

I COULD VOTE EPI TBH

oops caps

Oh btw for the record I would advise against chopping Marmot unless we're okay with a NK because unless Marmot is actually mafia I'm almost 100% convinced he was the 8-ball target with how much we were like "either Marmot or Epi tomorrow" last Night

i just feel better about psi and marmot this phase.

i can't say epi has filled me with confidence in his posts, mostly just me analyzing things he's saying to be twtbw or the "horror" at intentionally misspelling esooa, but maybe that is genuine..doesn't makje them not teammates i guess. hmm

As he put it, he is "le LHF "

but i think epi is the 8ball

but if it's not epi, epi could be the 8-ball.

that would blow.

yeah epi is exactly is either the 8ball or mafia.

let me check rules about double targeting

I mean that's fair. But I still think Epi is scum

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:24 pm If there's anyone on the Tutuu wagon who townreads me and trusts my takes I would encourage you to vote Epi because I sincerely believe this is the correct chop and I really think chopping Tutuu is a mistake

spec chat's probably laughing about how misguided and overconfident I am

i respect that

PSI gives me protagonist vibes

the silent girl at the back of the class that doesn't say much (and she definitely has circular big glasses like harry potter). and shes a huge nerd and bookworm

BUT, one day, a criminal walks in the school and threatens everyone to give them money at gunpoint. the whole class panicks and doesn't know what to do, but PSI pushes up her glasses to her face (who reflect the white light from the windows), she naruto ninja runs towards the assailant and drop kicks him (while shes doing it the camerawork from the matrix kick in and they show her from all angles) and then after she saved the day she turns towards the camera, she does a split, and the assailant explodes

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:29 pm

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:24 pm If there's anyone on the Tutuu wagon who townreads me and trusts my takes I would encourage you to vote Epi because I sincerely believe this is the correct chop and I really think chopping Tutuu is a mistake

spec chat's probably laughing about how misguided and overconfident I am

i respect that

PSI gives me protagonist vibes

the silent girl at the back of the class that doesn't say much (and she definitely has circular big glasses like harry potter). and shes a huge nerd and bookworm

BUT, one day, a criminal walks in the school and threatens everyone to give them money at gunpoint. the whole class panicks and doesn't know what to do, but PSI pushes up her glasses to her face (who reflect the white light from the windows), she naruto ninja runs towards the assailant and drop kicks him (while shes doing it the camerawork from the matrix kick in and they show her from all angles) and then after she saved the day she turns towards the camera, she does a split, and the assailant explodes

Lol

[VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

i think this is ok? hm

i don't hate it?

i'll sleep on it. nanook, tell me what you think.

Here be fifteen Esooa posts.

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:34 pmhello gamers

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:03 am @tutuu hi *hug*

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:17 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:07 am hi sweet cheeks

Salutations, two of which are directed at tutuu.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:16 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:28 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:24 pm Lol if you think she's my teammate help me bus her by all means.

I just voted for her.

My strategy is to ultimately choose my victim randomly toward the Day phase's end.

And by randomly, I mean I may roll dice or throw a dart at my computer screen. We'll see how drunk I am when the time comes (probably not at all since I shall be at work and likely unavailable).

it's real gamer hours throwing darts to decide lynches

I am still scratching my aging, balding head over this.

Not really. It means nothing to me.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:11 am I've been strongly leading a lot of my forum games and it's been really exhausting so kinda hoping to take this one a bit more relaxed but we'll see if I can handle myself not to post 1000 times

This post was a red flag to me when I read it, but I didn't say anything about it and I don't get hindsight points. Boo. Do better next time.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:06 am

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:13 pm I think nutella knows damn well dunya isn't going to get lynched Day 1, and that hesitation looks phony. [VOTE: dunya] aubergine

my first thought when i saw this was ohhh i buy it. yep. i see why he did that.

but now at reread it's not like that.

if me and nutella are teammates, the hesitation isn't just phony, she's prevoted for who to eliminate this day phase and im pretty sure it isn't me. (even if nutella is actually wolf here, she's not voting me to be the d1 lynch for sure). why would she phony it in with me?

like, i think epignosis should conclude more from that nutella being w than dunya and nutella being w/w. it's very a strange progression. the words make sense, but just not entirely in this game setup.

i dunno if this is some magical distancing strategy from nutella and epi, but wolf epi would have a better reading of the game setup i think so im leaning town there now.

and im not bothered about town epi, cos he is an asset to town and will be able to see town dunya eventually. lean

i did mind gymnastics to get here. that's a weak ass read, im disappoint.

commenting on the nutella/dunya thing, I don't really think apprehension to vote there is as much of a partner interaction as epi makes it out to be. I also just forget to vote sometimes, I don't do it super often but maybe that's just me. But I think the way nutella voted and responded after being called out by epi was awkward and kinda has me giving them a scum lean.

I don't really know dunyas playstyle but she's put a decent amount of effort into working out this interaction, tbh I didn't like much of what she had to say (it wasn't bad but meh) but it's enough for me to town lean her for now lol. And besides that tutuu is obviously town she can never be mafia (as well as contributing a lot so far)

[VOTE: nutella ] aubergine

Every single sentence in this post by Esooa is a hedge except the last one. Do with that what you will.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:08 am oh yeah also, epi calling out nutella and me agreeing nutella is scummy makes me want to give him some town cred, but I found it really weird he calls out nutellas behavior then votes dunya for it. I don't really see why you wouldn't just vote nutella cause dunya from his pov is mafia way less unless he thinks that's literally always a partner interaction which, is odd

I intentionally voted dunya instead of nutella. This afterthought exists because of that.

It leads me to believe Esooa knew nutella was not bad and could manufacture a secondary lynch (me) by agreeing with my suspicion of nutella at the time but also suspecting the source of that suspicion. If anyone has a different interpretation, I'm willing to hear it.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:16 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:20 am Does anyone know where the fuck did the phrase "townshield" pop up from btw? Who invented it?i just remember that I see ppl say it all the time and ive been ignoring it but im surprised this became a real thing and i never noticed. Why not just say townread lol. "Stop yeeting X i am townshield(read)ing them"

it's a thing from video mafia I think

when people put their hand up to the camera, "town shield" is when you cross your arms in an x to say say don't vote. It's a specific action done during voting when you can't talk is why it's a specific thing

Prescriptivist nonsense.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:47 am

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:13 pm I think nutella knows damn well dunya isn't going to get lynched Day 1, and that hesitation looks phony. [VOTE: dunya] aubergine

my first thought when i saw this was ohhh i buy it. yep. i see why he did that.

but now at reread it's not like that.

if me and nutella are teammates, the hesitation isn't just phony, she's prevoted for who to eliminate this day phase and im pretty sure it isn't me. (even if nutella is actually wolf here, she's not voting me to be the d1 lynch for sure). why would she phony it in with me?

like, i think epignosis should conclude more from that nutella being w than dunya and nutella being w/w. it's very a strange progression. the words make sense, but just not entirely in this game setup.

i dunno if this is some magical distancing strategy from nutella and epi, but wolf epi would have a better reading of the game setup i think so im leaning town there now.

and im not bothered about town epi, cos he is an asset to town and will be able to see town dunya eventually.

i did mind gymnastics to get here. that's a weak ass read dunya, im disappoint.

I didn't really understand the conclusion that you disagreeing with epi means he's more towny

Esooa circled back to this post about 90 minutes later to say this. I am inclined to believe Esooa did not do this with a teammate's post here.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:37 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:44 pm Idk if this is correct or not but I’m hard TRing PSI and might be willing to townshield her

me2

I have no basis for understanding why Esooa said this, especially in response to something I regarded as a joke based on the prescriptivist nonsense above.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:26 am yeah I'm busy but I'll catch up and post before EoD

Okay.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:36 am omg it's 6 hours to EoD? I thought it was later in the day cause I've been with a girl all day and was just browsing through some threads in bed

I'm sorry q-q

Sounds partially fun.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:44 am imo nutella is a fine lynch, I don't like how she is susing people just for voting PSI. I think PSI is town but it seems like a stretch to say mafia just 8ball target someone then push them without reasons, it'd basically out them lol. I also don't like her focus on Dunya and haven't really seen anything towny from her so I'm fine with the lynch.

Tutuu/psi my top towns, I don't really like epi's posting style but looking through his ISO I like his thoughts in response to PSI. So I also feel most comfortable voting nutella cause she's not exactly LHF like the others I'd usually be ok with voting for

Esooa's "suspicion" of nutella is predicated on a trust of PSI, which is based on nothing that I can perceive. The lack of enthusiasm in this vote leads me to believe that Esooa is not throwing a teammate under the bus.

I remain mystified by the underlined.

Esooa is now the 10,000th customer to dislike my posting style.

The tacked on comment about nutella not being a heavy plum reinforces my belief that they are not teammates.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:45 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:42 am

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:26 pm It's really hard to focus on posting my thoughts when you two are arguing so much tbh

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:44 pm

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:26 pm It's really hard to focus on posting my thoughts when you two are arguing so much tbh

this doesn't feel genuine to me

im not reading the debate between dunya and nutella yet, this just popped out to me

i dont think ive ever been in a situation where im town and found that people making posts and putting stuff itt is distracting for me

i cant imagine it, i cant put myself in someone's shoes and be town and feel this way

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:49 pm I've been trying to post when somebody else is watching TV in the background and I can't go somewhere else, so it's already hard to focus there, and then when I have to click submit 3 times to get my post to go through because of linki it's just really distracting

i don't believe the first post she posted meant what she said in the last post here.

how is it "distracting" when she's already typed up something to post but get's stopped by linki? i don't get how sending a post needs "focus".

just...weird to me.

I can see why it's weird but do you think she makes it up? I think she's given good thoughts regardless and it's a weird thing to make up as mafia

Esooa came to PSI's defense and said being distracted would be a weird thing to make up as mafia.

I've seen plenty, plenty weirder things that got made up because of alignment.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:56 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:49 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:44 am So I also feel most comfortable voting nutella cause she's not exactly LHF like the others I'd usually be ok with voting for

i don't understand this part. you're ok with voting for low-hanging fruit? who is LHF in this game in your opinion?

I'm generally pretty ok with voting LHF cause I.E. killing a player like epi who seems pretty good will be a lot worse when he flips town compared to someone like Marmot (not offense to him just picking up from the thread he's pretty LHF xd). And I don't have very good reads yet which is mb, but because of that I generally would default to voting someone who's more scummy on average

and on the PSI thing, I guess I can see what you mean by she would make it up as a weird response to pressure as maf. I guess I thought it made sense cause linki is annoying but it wouldn't really change my posts lol

This is more hedging language, but I want to highlight an important little gem about yours truly. In fact, I'm going to make it really damn big.

"When." Not "if."

My takeaways from these fifteen posts and these fifteen posts only is that Epignosis, dunya, and nutella are not aligned with Esooa.

dunya get your damn vote off me.

....yeah, we chop tutuu over epi here

psi pls

look at where esooa groups you with tutuu as townreads

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

i wish to have my vote placed on my scumread, this makes me feel the best, i will obviously change it at eod

I'll get to other interactions this evening. The law demands that I provide my spawn with nourishment.