The Syndicate

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:33 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:15 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:04 pm afk fishing at catherby, musing about the game.

i just lost the game.

falcon45ca = mafia is my legacy assuming eod is in like an hour.

He and I have had a heart to heart, I can sure you he's Town, thru and thru.



Why do you feel he's Maf?

:/

you are severely wolf this game and i don't see how others don't see it

instead of asking me why i think you're wolf, tell me why you're town imo

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:49 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:33 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:15 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:04 pm afk fishing at catherby, musing about the game.

i just lost the game.

falcon45ca = mafia is my legacy assuming eod is in like an hour.

He and I have had a heart to heart, I can sure you he's Town, thru and thru.



Why do you feel he's Maf?

:/

you are severely wolf this game and i don't see how others don't see it

instead of asking me why i think you're wolf, tell me why you're town imo

The burden of proof is on the believer. You believe I'm scum, it's your burden.


Plus I asked you first.




It feels like your scum read on me is just "he's coasting"...how am I coasting? I engage the thread regularly and answer questions.



What, am I supposed to have lynched all the wolves by now? What's your expectation of my town game?


Plus, it's D2. Why don't we see who flips? My read on Alison turned out wrong, same w/ MR, but I don't feel I'm covered in town blood. Do you?

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:52 pm how about this: i am scumreading you because your full assessment of yourself at this point in the game is that you're regularly engaging in the thread and answering questions; it's inadequate and someone who is town should be able to offer more details about their game and participation that reflect well on them.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:59 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:52 pm how about this: i am scumreading you because your full assessment of yourself at this point in the game is that you're regularly engaging in the thread and answering questions; it's inadequate and someone who is town should be able to offer more details about their game and participation that reflect well on them.

This is dumb

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:59 pm Heart of a Poet

Send the hosts a poem by February 3, 4pm eastern. They will be read overnight. The two favorites (among living players) will receive a reward at the start of D3 (winners will be informed privately). It can be any kind of poem, but if it doesn't rhyme it had better be really good and/or funny.

Spoiler: show

@ 112
@ alexa
@ Belzy
@ c4e5g3d5
@ Creature
@ DrWilgy
@ dyachei
@ falcon45ca
@ Guillotine
@ hollowkatt
@ ilario
@ Justplayingitcool
@ LinearPoint
@ Master Radishes
@ Paopan
@ Phil and Gloria
@ Porscha
@ sabie12
@ sig
@ Sloonei
@ TonyStarkPrime

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:52 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:49 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:33 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:15 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:04 pm afk fishing at catherby, musing about the game.

i just lost the game.

falcon45ca = mafia is my legacy assuming eod is in like an hour.

He and I have had a heart to heart, I can sure you he's Town, thru and thru.



Why do you feel he's Maf?

:/

you are severely wolf this game and i don't see how others don't see it

instead of asking me why i think you're wolf, tell me why you're town imo

The burden of proof is on the believer. You believe I'm scum, it's your burden.


Plus I asked you first.




It feels like your scum read on me is just "he's coasting"...how am I coasting? I engage the thread regularly and answer questions.



What, am I supposed to have lynched all the wolves by now? What's your expectation of my town game?


Plus, it's D2. Why don't we see who flips? My read on Alison turned out wrong, same w/ MR, but I don't feel I'm covered in town blood. Do you?

actually what's happening here is that you're passing the buck onto me and pretending you have no obligations in this exchange when fairly that's false

how about this: i am scumreading you because your full assessment of yourself at this point in the game is that you're regularly engaging in the thread and answering questions; it's inadequate and someone who is town should be able to offer more details about their game and participation that reflect well on them.

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:14 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:03 am

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:11 pm i am clearing HK for meta reasons NGL. he feels very different than the game he was a wolf. but i did the same thing to lag last game and was very wrong so i'm getting paranoid, especially because the way he claimed earlier felt like something i'd do as wolf to divert pressure. does anyone have good meta/a good read on HK?

ya hes town

@ilario apparently you missed it but he's claimed 3P now

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:50 pm @falcon45ca why did you decide to out the green on MR when neither of you were in danger btw?

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:59 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:59 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:52 pm how about this: i am scumreading you because your full assessment of yourself at this point in the game is that you're regularly engaging in the thread and answering questions; it's inadequate and someone who is town should be able to offer more details about their game and participation that reflect well on them.

This is dumb

Prove it.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:04 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:52 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:49 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:33 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:15 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:04 pm afk fishing at catherby, musing about the game.

i just lost the game.

falcon45ca = mafia is my legacy assuming eod is in like an hour.

He and I have had a heart to heart, I can sure you he's Town, thru and thru.



Why do you feel he's Maf?

:/

you are severely wolf this game and i don't see how others don't see it

instead of asking me why i think you're wolf, tell me why you're town imo

The burden of proof is on the believer. You believe I'm scum, it's your burden.


Plus I asked you first.




It feels like your scum read on me is just "he's coasting"...how am I coasting? I engage the thread regularly and answer questions.



What, am I supposed to have lynched all the wolves by now? What's your expectation of my town game?


Plus, it's D2. Why don't we see who flips? My read on Alison turned out wrong, same w/ MR, but I don't feel I'm covered in town blood. Do you?

actually what's happening here is that you're passing the buck onto me and pretending you have no obligations in this exchange when fairly that's false

how about this: i am scumreading you because your full assessment of yourself at this point in the game is that you're regularly engaging in the thread and answering questions; it's inadequate and someone who is town should be able to offer more details about their game and participation that reflect well on them.

Passing the buck while answering your question?


You not liking my answer and me passing the buck are not the same thing.


You were scum reading me.before my self assessment, so you're not even fairly engaging in this discourse.



Also, it's D2. What am I supposed to have done by now, other than engage the thread, give reads, answer questions?

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:05 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:59 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:59 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:52 pm how about this: i am scumreading you because your full assessment of yourself at this point in the game is that you're regularly engaging in the thread and answering questions; it's inadequate and someone who is town should be able to offer more details about their game and participation that reflect well on them.

This is dumb

Prove it.

I mean it's not exactly a convenient thing to prove per se but

One of my least favorite things in games of mafia is when people ask me to say what makes me town and I can't answer because I've been paying attention to, you know, the rest of the list all game like I should be, and figuring out why I'm towny is supposed to be everyone else's job anyway, and then people go "Where's your answer? Hmm? HMMMM?" and then I get MLed.

I don't get why it exists and is excused and it's usually done by wolves but when it isn't it's especially annoying.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:59 pm Heart of a Poet

Send the hosts a poem by February 3, 4pm eastern. They will be read overnight. The two favorites (among living players) will receive a reward at the start of D3 (winners will be informed privately). It can be any kind of poem, but if it doesn't rhyme it had better be really good and/or funny.

Spoiler: show

@ 112
@ alexa
@ Belzy
@ c4e5g3d5
@ Creature
@ DrWilgy
@ dyachei
@ falcon45ca
@ Guillotine
@ hollowkatt
@ ilario
@ Justplayingitcool
@ LinearPoint
@ Master Radishes
@ Paopan
@ Phil and Gloria
@ Porscha
@ sabie12
@ sig
@ Sloonei
@ TonyStarkPrime

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:08 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:05 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:59 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:59 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:52 pm how about this: i am scumreading you because your full assessment of yourself at this point in the game is that you're regularly engaging in the thread and answering questions; it's inadequate and someone who is town should be able to offer more details about their game and participation that reflect well on them.

This is dumb

Prove it.

I mean it's not exactly a convenient thing to prove per se but

One of my least favorite things in games of mafia is when people ask me to say what makes me town and I can't answer because I've been paying attention to, you know, the rest of the list all game like I should be, and figuring out why I'm towny is supposed to be everyone else's job anyway, and then people go "Where's your answer? Hmm? HMMMM?" and then I get MLed.

I don't get why it exists and is excused and it's usually done by wolves but when it isn't it's especially annoying.

fair but i'm not sure you get why i'm engaging with falcon and why i'm engaging the way i am

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:12 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:08 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:05 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:59 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:59 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:52 pm how about this: i am scumreading you because your full assessment of yourself at this point in the game is that you're regularly engaging in the thread and answering questions; it's inadequate and someone who is town should be able to offer more details about their game and participation that reflect well on them.

This is dumb

Prove it.

I mean it's not exactly a convenient thing to prove per se but

One of my least favorite things in games of mafia is when people ask me to say what makes me town and I can't answer because I've been paying attention to, you know, the rest of the list all game like I should be, and figuring out why I'm towny is supposed to be everyone else's job anyway, and then people go "Where's your answer? Hmm? HMMMM?" and then I get MLed.

I don't get why it exists and is excused and it's usually done by wolves but when it isn't it's especially annoying.

fair but i'm not sure you get why i'm engaging with falcon and why i'm engaging the way i am

That's because I don't
Either because it doesn't make sense or because I actually have to read all of it for it to make sense

But your point independently doesn't make sense and it doesn't look like something I should need to read associated materials for because it's a blanket statement about the game

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:48 pm [VOTE: c4] aubergine
[VOTE: guillotine] aubergine
[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine
[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

Not really available to talk a lot today. These are my four votes to start off the second phase of this phase.

I owe TSP more scrutiny if I find the time.

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:06 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:04 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:52 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:49 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:33 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:15 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:04 pm afk fishing at catherby, musing about the game.

i just lost the game.

falcon45ca = mafia is my legacy assuming eod is in like an hour.

He and I have had a heart to heart, I can sure you he's Town, thru and thru.



Why do you feel he's Maf?

:/

you are severely wolf this game and i don't see how others don't see it

instead of asking me why i think you're wolf, tell me why you're town imo

The burden of proof is on the believer. You believe I'm scum, it's your burden.


Plus I asked you first.




It feels like your scum read on me is just "he's coasting"...how am I coasting? I engage the thread regularly and answer questions.



What, am I supposed to have lynched all the wolves by now? What's your expectation of my town game?


Plus, it's D2. Why don't we see who flips? My read on Alison turned out wrong, same w/ MR, but I don't feel I'm covered in town blood. Do you?

actually what's happening here is that you're passing the buck onto me and pretending you have no obligations in this exchange when fairly that's false

how about this: i am scumreading you because your full assessment of yourself at this point in the game is that you're regularly engaging in the thread and answering questions; it's inadequate and someone who is town should be able to offer more details about their game and participation that reflect well on them.

Passing the buck while answering your question?


You not liking my answer and me passing the buck are not the same thing.


You were scum reading me.before my self assessment, so you're not even fairly engaging in this discourse.



Also, it's D2. What am I supposed to have done by now, other than engage the thread, give reads, answer questions?

so there is nothing you have done this game you could not reproduce as a wolf?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:14 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:06 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:04 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:52 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:49 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:33 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:15 pm

He and I have had a heart to heart, I can sure you he's Town, thru and thru.



Why do you feel he's Maf?

:/

you are severely wolf this game and i don't see how others don't see it

instead of asking me why i think you're wolf, tell me why you're town imo

The burden of proof is on the believer. You believe I'm scum, it's your burden.


Plus I asked you first.




It feels like your scum read on me is just "he's coasting"...how am I coasting? I engage the thread regularly and answer questions.



What, am I supposed to have lynched all the wolves by now? What's your expectation of my town game?


Plus, it's D2. Why don't we see who flips? My read on Alison turned out wrong, same w/ MR, but I don't feel I'm covered in town blood. Do you?

actually what's happening here is that you're passing the buck onto me and pretending you have no obligations in this exchange when fairly that's false

how about this: i am scumreading you because your full assessment of yourself at this point in the game is that you're regularly engaging in the thread and answering questions; it's inadequate and someone who is town should be able to offer more details about their game and participation that reflect well on them.

Passing the buck while answering your question?


You not liking my answer and me passing the buck are not the same thing.


You were scum reading me.before my self assessment, so you're not even fairly engaging in this discourse.



Also, it's D2. What am I supposed to have done by now, other than engage the thread, give reads, answer questions?

so there is nothing you have done this game you could not reproduce as a wolf?

Actually, there is. MRs green check.



I've never, in 6 years of Maf, faked a claim

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:14 pm If someone shady wins a vig shot for tomorrow and wants to clear themselves, perhaps they can shoot Guillotine.

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:17 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:14 pm If someone shady wins a vig shot for tomorrow and wants to clear themselves, perhaps they can shoot Guillotine.

i prefer to take a wild hero shot thank-you

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:16 pm tbh only the following:

112
c4e5g3d5
DrWilgy
hollowkatt
TonyStarkPrime

could be useful to lynch

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:18 pm Yeah Falcon doesn't fake checks from what I remember.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:18 pm Yeah Falcon doesn't fake checks from what I remember.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:20 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:18 pm Yeah Falcon doesn't fake checks from what I remember.

So is it JPIC? Phil and Gloria?

Paopan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:45 am HK - 3p

112/SABIE/C4 wolves

remaining scum: Deep wolves --> Belzy, Alexa or Ilario

Game solved

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:21 pm Would Belzy fake a check on Porscha? I'm really unsatisfied with Porscha this game and I get the impression they're getting away because of the green check a la Boston last MU game.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:20 pm dyachei/ilario/Sloonei still sometimes give me concerns though

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:24 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:20 pm dyachei/ilario/Sloonei still sometimes give me concerns though

i'm getting champs finale vibes

if I dont act a certain way...

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:17 pm I feel like I should be able to place a read on 112 and/or Falcon over this exchange but my brain feels foggy this game.

112 *can* have a wide scum range, but doesn't usually stretch it. Like during Champs a few years ago she reached new heights imo, but in your average game she fits a certain pattern...and I don't know that this is it. Basically I don't want to discount 112 being scum here because I don't know anything precludes it, but GTH meta read is she's more likely town.

Falcon I just...maybe I'm just pocketed by the green check, but it felt real to me, the whole progression of it. He was uncertain of me in D1 as I recall (honestly I should check this at some point), then suddenly was overly confident on me in D2 and quietly showed that throughout the early round. He's not wrong that we were both receiving a middling amount of votes, and at some point I pressed him, he threw his hands up and declared the check, and it just felt right to me because that's what I thought he was hinting at.

So I kind of think both could be town or maybe I just want them to be. But equally if they are, then we better hit with sig/sabie or else my reads are so bad that I'm going to help throw this game for town.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:27 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:24 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:20 pm dyachei/ilario/Sloonei still sometimes give me concerns though

i'm getting champs finale vibes

if I dont act a certain way...

Guess that champs finale must've been shit

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:24 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:20 pm dyachei/ilario/Sloonei still sometimes give me concerns though

i'm getting champs finale vibes

if I dont act a certain way...

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:59 pm Heart of a Poet

Send the hosts a poem by February 3, 4pm eastern. They will be read overnight. The two favorites (among living players) will receive a reward at the start of D3 (winners will be informed privately). It can be any kind of poem, but if it doesn't rhyme it had better be really good and/or funny.

Spoiler: show

@ 112
@ alexa
@ Belzy
@ c4e5g3d5
@ Creature
@ DrWilgy
@ dyachei
@ falcon45ca
@ Guillotine
@ hollowkatt
@ ilario
@ Justplayingitcool
@ LinearPoint
@ Master Radishes
@ Paopan
@ Phil and Gloria
@ Porscha
@ sabie12
@ sig
@ Sloonei
@ TonyStarkPrime