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Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:50 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
nice got one

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:50 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
should vig shoot or no? no right

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:50 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
or is it a yes

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:53 pm
by Hally
i think a poe of mp/sabie/mist is right and we have a vig shot tonight so we can either just win off that or narrow it down to two, which is all we need to lock this up!

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:54 pm
by Hally
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:50 pm should vig shoot or no? no right
why would the vig holster after we got scum? this is the best time to shoot

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:55 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
6->

5 = two chops

vig shot takes it to 4 = one chop

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:57 pm
by Hally
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:55 pm 6->

5 = two chops

vig shot takes it to 4 = one chop
i thought we have two eliminations even if vig misfires?

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:58 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
someone check it

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:59 pm
by Hally
6-2
cayvie dead, hyena dead
5-1
scum nk, vig misfire
3-1 oh wait ig this would be mylo? damn this setup is like... not very forgiving

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:01 pm
by Hally
but like the vig shot would be instead of another elimination. so either way we have two chances

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:10 pm
by Hally
i think vig should shoot with mp/sabie/mist. and if they feel they’re at risk to be shot tonight (ie on cayvie) i think they should claim too so that scum can’t nk them tonight and then claim vig later on. i’m worried in a flipless setup about scum fake claiming and getting wrongly cleared off that. but idk if this mechanically correct

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:20 pm
by Ranmilia
Well, the one thing I didn't want to happen happened, I took my meds, got groggy, had to lie down for a nap and did not wake up the 1 hour later planned. Massive apologies.

... felt good about my vote though and at a glance it appears to have been a hit? Good times. Reading up now.

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:53 pm
by Ranmilia
Rannya~
TSP (IC, good tone, has matched my view of the game)

Hally (tinfoil, Hally has a good scum game and if there is a busser it's here. I don't currently see getting there though. Doesn't feel like it matches what's happened this game.)

MP7 (exact opposite view of Cayvie's posting, shading Mist, shading Sabie (for hedging on Cayvie, but she's also defending Cayvie?), very different mindset. But also feels genuine? But also... 32000 posts. I haven't seen any MP7 games but I assume she's very much not a potato.)
Sabie (on Hally eod, also shading Mist, defended Cayvie on the basis of "scum wouldn't dip")
Mist (... dipped?)

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:54 pm
by Hally
if i buy mp’s reaction as pure and buy sabie’s derp as real, it’s just mist. but i tr mist so that feels wrong. but i don’t think ran would bus there. so i’m going wrong somewhere

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:54 pm
by Ranmilia
if this game turns into misyeeting Mist day 2 I swear to baphomet

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:00 pm
by Hally
if mp is scum here she’s very good at faking emotion

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:03 pm
by Hally
M Plus 7 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:26 pm I feel like sabie's hedging on cayvie seems a bit opportunistic.
what did you mean by this mp? isn’t hedging the opposite of being opportunistic?

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:10 pm
by sabie12
Ranmilia wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:53 pm Rannya~
TSP (IC, good tone, has matched my view of the game)

Hally (tinfoil, Hally has a good scum game and if there is a busser it's here. I don't currently see getting there though. Doesn't feel like it matches what's happened this game.)

MP7 (exact opposite view of Cayvie's posting, shading Mist, shading Sabie (for hedging on Cayvie, but she's also defending Cayvie?), very different mindset. But also feels genuine? But also... 32000 posts. I haven't seen any MP7 games but I assume she's very much not a potato.)
Sabie (on Hally eod, also shading Mist, defended Cayvie on the basis of "scum wouldn't dip")
Mist (... dipped?)
Mist didn't give a reason for voting me aside from reading one of my posts and saying it was weird. I also didn't defend cayvie I was moreso trying to have more discussion about it. I don't like piling votes on the person who isn't there to defend themselves but I wasn't against the cayvie vote. Mist had said cayvie was a strong townread. I think the whole not being able to see the votes impacted end of day and I was not able to be here.

Hally being a busser could work in the sense that now she has cred and has narrowed things down to kill one of these three. However, I think mist is the most likely option.

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:26 pm
by sabie12
cayvie wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:44 pm
Hally wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:40 pm
cayvie wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:39 pm
Hally wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:38 pm
cayvie wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:37 pm
Hally wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:36 pm i mean, my reason for voting hyena was that he didn’t have eevee in his top ten pokemon. so yea, i would say i don’t expect that to be taken very seriously :p
exactly: not actually bussing.
....okay, but why do we have to be teamed as opposed to like, not teamed
you don't have to be teamed. im just saying you're compatible.
you said we were the mafia team. what caused you to have that thought?
i feel like you're taking me in circles.

i saw you and hyena vote each other for what looked like silly-ish reasons. i thought, hmm this looks like it could be distancing. is there a reason for mafia to distance/bus in a flipless setting? yes, potentially, if they want to use the vengekill.

and here we are
So cayvie said this about bussing and now we know she was the vengeful one. I don't know if that means it happened for sure just figured that might be relevant

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:29 pm
by sabie12
cayvie wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:39 pm
Mistyx wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:38 pm
cayvie wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:36 pm
Mistyx wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:33 pm
cayvie wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:32 pm
Hally wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:29 pm ok but cayvie how do you read us?
i wasn't joking about the wolf duo thing. i wouldn't say it's a read but i see you two as v compatible rn.
why would wolves bus in flipless, especially with an IC in the setup?

you don't get any cred off the flip so there's no real point
you do get cred off one flip, though.
no you don't

there is no flip
there's a vengeful mafia
And this exchange. Hmmm

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:41 pm
by Mistyx
weh

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:43 pm
by Tangrowth
Hally wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:36 pm
sabie12 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:31 pm
Hally wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:25 pm
sabie12 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:21 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:21 pm Wait per the role description how did cayvie choose Hyena if she isn’t here? How does that work?
Was it just the last person who voted?
im pretty sure its not? is this a derp clear?
I thought hyena was the most recent vote and I know I played a game where that happened before. Only reason I could see a bus here is if the mafia wanted the vengeful kill to go off since cayvie kinda disappeared?
well we know hyena didn’t bus and he was the last vote. tony i assume is ic. so if there’s a bus it could only be ran. i dont really think ran had to bus though?
I guess a Ran bus is possible? I don't really get it though.

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:43 pm
by Tangrowth
Hally wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:46 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:33 pm Like seriously why does anyone bus there? It gives us the most possible information. It makes even less sense because maybe scum do it if they know cayvie is fucked but Hyena was the last one to vote.

I really think we just yeet Mist and sabie? I should do analyses to be safe though. We should make sure to consider the bussing angle. But like... I don't see how it's worth it? cayvie didn't seem inevitable, right?
no i don’t think cayvie was inevitable at all. mist, sabie, you and even hyena up to the last minute all tr her, which is at least three town. and that’s like half the game
I didn't think so either but I can go back and try to get a read on thread temperature upon a re-read or something too.

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:44 pm
by Tangrowth
Hally wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:10 pm i think vig should shoot with mp/sabie/mist. and if they feel they’re at risk to be shot tonight (ie on cayvie) i think they should claim too so that scum can’t nk them tonight and then claim vig later on. i’m worried in a flipless setup about scum fake claiming and getting wrongly cleared off that. but idk if this mechanically correct
Wait, you think all three of us should claim then, are you sure?

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:46 pm
by Mistyx
optimal mech play i think is IC reveal and vig claim TOMORROW then we pick one player to punt and the other to vig

scum can’t risk a vig claim then because no shot outs them

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:47 pm
by Tangrowth
Hally wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:54 pm if i buy mp’s reaction as pure and buy sabie’s derp as real, it’s just mist. but i tr mist so that feels wrong. but i don’t think ran would bus there. so i’m going wrong somewhere
What's the most likely scenario to you if Mist is town?

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:48 pm
by Tangrowth
Hally wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:00 pm if mp is scum here she’s very good at faking emotion
I will warn you that I generally am (probably?) good at that, but I also think there's a certain range and/or totality of emotion across a game I can't quite fake.

That could be an outdated notion, but I also haven't really had opportunities to test it since my return because I keep rolling town for some reason.

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:49 pm
by Tangrowth
Hally wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:03 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:26 pm I feel like sabie's hedging on cayvie seems a bit opportunistic.
what did you mean by this mp? isn’t hedging the opposite of being opportunistic?
Hmmm yeah I guess the wording was poor. It just felt like sabie was trying to have it both ways and it read awkwardly to me.

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:50 pm
by Tangrowth
sabie12 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:26 pm
Spoiler: show
cayvie wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:44 pm
Hally wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:40 pm
cayvie wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:39 pm
Hally wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:38 pm
cayvie wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:37 pm
Hally wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:36 pm i mean, my reason for voting hyena was that he didn’t have eevee in his top ten pokemon. so yea, i would say i don’t expect that to be taken very seriously :p
exactly: not actually bussing.
....okay, but why do we have to be teamed as opposed to like, not teamed
you don't have to be teamed. im just saying you're compatible.
you said we were the mafia team. what caused you to have that thought?
i feel like you're taking me in circles.

i saw you and hyena vote each other for what looked like silly-ish reasons. i thought, hmm this looks like it could be distancing. is there a reason for mafia to distance/bus in a flipless setting? yes, potentially, if they want to use the vengekill.

and here we are
So cayvie said this about bussing and now we know she was the vengeful one. I don't know if that means it happened for sure just figured that might be relevant
This whole exchange would be pretty funny if it was cayvie/Hally.

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:50 pm
by Tangrowth
I think we just force the scum to shoot Hally though.

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:51 pm
by Tangrowth
M Plus 7 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:50 pm I think we just force the scum to shoot Hally though.
By this I mean... if she's town, let her get NKed. I don't want to tinfoil that yet. If she's alive at a critical stage and it becomes relevant, consider it thoroughly. I guess this is a small game though so maybe I'm thinking about this backwards.

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:51 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
claims should be tonight, I think.

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:51 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
Well, anyone else who wants to claim IC can do so whenever

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:52 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
Since I die tonight

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:52 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
And then nobody can claim IC

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:52 pm
by Tangrowth
Mistyx wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:46 pm optimal mech play i think is IC reveal and vig claim TOMORROW then we pick one player to punt and the other to vig

scum can’t risk a vig claim then because no shot outs them
Wait, I don't quite understand the second part I think. Why is it better for N2 vig shot than N1?

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:52 pm
by Tangrowth
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:51 pm claims should be tonight, I think.
From everyone? Or just those in the POE + you?

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:53 pm
by Mistyx
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:52 pm And then nobody can claim IC
nobody can claim IC anyway because we force them to reveal

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:53 pm
by Hally
sabie12 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:26 pm
cayvie wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:44 pm
Hally wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:40 pm
cayvie wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:39 pm
Hally wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:38 pm
cayvie wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:37 pm
Hally wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:36 pm i mean, my reason for voting hyena was that he didn’t have eevee in his top ten pokemon. so yea, i would say i don’t expect that to be taken very seriously :p
exactly: not actually bussing.
....okay, but why do we have to be teamed as opposed to like, not teamed
you don't have to be teamed. im just saying you're compatible.
you said we were the mafia team. what caused you to have that thought?
i feel like you're taking me in circles.

i saw you and hyena vote each other for what looked like silly-ish reasons. i thought, hmm this looks like it could be distancing. is there a reason for mafia to distance/bus in a flipless setting? yes, potentially, if they want to use the vengekill.

and here we are
So cayvie said this about bussing and now we know she was the vengeful one. I don't know if that means it happened for sure just figured that might be relevant
tbh this makes me think ran didn’t bus (or at least that it wasn’t planned). like why would cayvie say this if they were planning to bus? this seems more like a narrative scum would wanna push to make town paranoid of a bus even though scum probably didn’t intend to do it

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:55 pm
by Mistyx
M Plus 7 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:52 pm
Mistyx wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:46 pm optimal mech play i think is IC reveal and vig claim TOMORROW then we pick one player to punt and the other to vig

scum can’t risk a vig claim then because no shot outs them
Wait, I don't quite understand the second part I think. Why is it better for N2 vig shot than N1?
because an N1 shot can allow a D2 claim from scum

if there’s no n1 shot and two D2 claims we just win
if there’s an n1 shot and two D2 claims we have to pick between them
and if there’s no n1 shot and one D2 claim we have a chance to prove it
if there’s an n1 shot and one D2 claim we can’t confirm anything

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:55 pm
by Tangrowth
Hally wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:53 pm
Spoiler: show
sabie12 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:26 pm
cayvie wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:44 pm
Hally wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:40 pm
cayvie wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:39 pm
Hally wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:38 pm
cayvie wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:37 pm

exactly: not actually bussing.
....okay, but why do we have to be teamed as opposed to like, not teamed
you don't have to be teamed. im just saying you're compatible.
you said we were the mafia team. what caused you to have that thought?
i feel like you're taking me in circles.

i saw you and hyena vote each other for what looked like silly-ish reasons. i thought, hmm this looks like it could be distancing. is there a reason for mafia to distance/bus in a flipless setting? yes, potentially, if they want to use the vengekill.

and here we are
So cayvie said this about bussing and now we know she was the vengeful one. I don't know if that means it happened for sure just figured that might be relevant
tbh this makes me think ran didn’t bus (or at least that it wasn’t planned). like why would cayvie say this if they were planning to bus? this seems more like a narrative scum would wanna push to make town paranoid of a bus even though scum probably didn’t intend to do it
Yeah, I think you're right. It seems transparent for no real reason.

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:55 pm
by Hally
sabie why did you quote those posts? do you think they mean that a bus was more or less likely?

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:56 pm
by Tangrowth
I also have a silly cayvie/X read and that's that X may not have been super involved in the game at various points because maybe cayvie is less likely to disappear if she's feeling more invested? No idea if this holds any water.

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:56 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
Mistyx wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:53 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:52 pm And then nobody can claim IC
nobody can claim IC anyway because we force them to reveal
that's what I mean

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:56 pm
by Tangrowth
Mistyx wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:55 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:52 pm
Mistyx wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:46 pm optimal mech play i think is IC reveal and vig claim TOMORROW then we pick one player to punt and the other to vig

scum can’t risk a vig claim then because no shot outs them
Wait, I don't quite understand the second part I think. Why is it better for N2 vig shot than N1?
because an N1 shot can allow a D2 claim from scum

if there’s no n1 shot and two D2 claims we just win
if there’s an n1 shot and two D2 claims we have to pick between them
and if there’s no n1 shot and one D2 claim we have a chance to prove it
if there’s an n1 shot and one D2 claim we can’t confirm anything
Oh! I see. Thank you so much for explaining!

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:57 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
M Plus 7 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:52 pm
Mistyx wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:46 pm optimal mech play i think is IC reveal and vig claim TOMORROW then we pick one player to punt and the other to vig

scum can’t risk a vig claim then because no shot outs them
Wait, I don't quite understand the second part I think. Why is it better for N2 vig shot than N1?
if someone hypothetically claims vig day 2 and it turns out it was hyena or whatever and there's no cc then if there's no shot they're a confirmed wolf

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:57 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
wow that got explained fast

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:59 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
I don't have the mental energy to devote to this, so if someone hypothetically were to post a guide to the day 1 votes and delineated out a clear poe I'd be happy about that

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:59 pm
by Tangrowth
Thanks too, Tony! Hehe.

Re: LGBT+ Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:00 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
MP and Hally have a bajillion posts