The Syndicate

if u do end up being town i will promise u that i will reevaluate esooa with fresh eyes and consider ur stuff

EBWOP: why would she

Yo people, my questions!!!

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:37 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:35 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:34 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:32 pm 4 people are voting Marmot: @Long Con, @sig, @tedxtr and @tutuu. What are your cases on Marmot?

linki: My suspicions are probably like ted > Marmot > LC in order, I think?

im not finding him as town / i wanna sheep ted who i believe is town and has a good handle on this specific game

i also think he has some w/w equity with u

So why Marmot out of all the people who aren't town?

Also why am I wolf?

i dunno ask ted

im surprised that you wanna suicide bomb esooa instead of just burying her whilst staying alive yourself, im afraid if its a gambit and an attempt from you to look towny while forgoing your safety and life, you are creative enough as scum to do stuff like that

How would that work out in my favor if I was scum? It can't be an attempt to get townread, because I'm arguing that it's probably beneficial to exe me just to get people out of the tunnel even if you believe I'm town.

I was moving the last few days, and only just got my internet set up last night. I was playing on mobile during that time, hence why I was a bit quiet.

That said, I still seem to be missing something with this Alisons exe. Can someone explain to me why she's calming pushing us to chop here today? @Esooa @tutuu @Long Con @tedxtr

I'm not in this tunnel you speak of, that's why I'm confused.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:50 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:37 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:35 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:34 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:32 pm 4 people are voting Marmot: @Long Con, @sig, @tedxtr and @tutuu. What are your cases on Marmot?

linki: My suspicions are probably like ted > Marmot > LC in order, I think?

im not finding him as town / i wanna sheep ted who i believe is town and has a good handle on this specific game

i also think he has some w/w equity with u

So why Marmot out of all the people who aren't town?

Also why am I wolf?

i dunno ask ted

im surprised that you wanna suicide bomb esooa instead of just burying her whilst staying alive yourself, im afraid if its a gambit and an attempt from you to look towny while forgoing your safety and life, you are creative enough as scum to do stuff like that

How would that work out in my favor if I was scum? It can't be an attempt to get townread, because I'm arguing that it's probably beneficial to exe me just to get people out of the tunnel even if you believe I'm town.

if something doesn't work in your favor as scum (in your own words), that means it is towny for you to do it

so it is not silly to pretend that what you're doing doesn't have the effect of getting ppl to townread u?

so

the final so wasn't intentional (i just dont like how that post sounds with it)

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:02 pm if something doesn't work in your favor as scum (in your own words), that means it is towny for you to do it

so it is not silly to pretend that what you're doing doesn't have the effect of getting ppl to townread u?

so

So how does getting townread help me out here since I'm arguing that I could well be the correct exe even as town?

i ... suppose i still can't fathom the thought of a town arguing that they should be yeeted, so i am looking for other reasons that explain that behavior

at least when i am town and i argue i should be yeeted its only because i perceive the village as clowns beyond salvation and i want to get removed from the game, but even then i rarely advocate for my own death too hard unless they just cross the border (like wagoning me over a mechanically confirmed mafia)

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:38 pm If Alison's scum, why would should ask everyone to chop her today? I'm confused.

It'd make more sense if there were three scum left, but there's only 2..

So you ask this very question

like are you baiting to see who jumps on your wagon?

i probably should not have said that out loud

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:09 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:38 pm If Alison's scum, why would should ask everyone to chop her today? I'm confused.

It'd make more sense if there were three scum left, but there's only 2..

So you ask this very question

LOL MARMOT I LOVE U SO MUCH

On the subject. There are times when there is positive game momentum to where a personal green flip is worth it. It's about the ties that we make as town when we are yeeted. Have we enough tension to explode upon death, or will the threads just fall limp?

There's an angle where T Alison feels like the thread is wound and needs to pop. There's an angle where W Alison is pretending that the threads are wound enough.

I've seen this happen in a couple games recently. What town seems to fail to do is follow up on the plan that was set forth before another townie dies, not always to a daychop though, I include nightkills in here. Heck, you and I were benefactors of this in our last game Wilgy.

Oops, I forgot ted had talked to me

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:58 am this Alison / Esooa talk doesn’t help at all. Alison’s gonna be the default yeet for the day and wasting time arguing with them doesn’t do anything.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:48 am Ted hasn't posted yet today, but he's voted. I don't like that.

Long Con is sheeping, but I can't blame him since I sheeped him yesterday.

Marmot, are you saying I’m scum because I didn’t make my vote acknowledged in thread? Why’s it such a scummy thing?

No. I had browsed your iso, and saw you'd at least made accusations against me the previous day. But I'm also guilty of forgetting to post when I vote. I still don't like it though

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:59 am and also, if you can, you’ve read the entire D1 thread, right? (to marmot)

Nope!

I'm advocating an Alison exe until she is dead or hard claims btw, I don't care if her wanting to be exed is townie behavior when 99% of her posts are extremely scummy

Also if Alison isn't the exe, then Dr. Wiggly is. 100%. and @ Ted this is why I spent two pages burying Alison because somehow people still don't want to vote her.

Alison spent two pages arguing with me and only townie post you can find in all of it is some kinda weird idea that is she was town she wouldn't suicide bomb, I'm committing to it.

if she is scum she wouldn't*

Yo @sig, talk to me about your reads. You're voting for me and LC. LC is also voting for me. Do you think we're scummates?

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:31 pm Also if Alison isn't the exe, then Dr. Wiggly is. 100%. and @ Ted this is why I spent two pages burying Alison because somehow people still don't want to vote her.

Why is this? Very interesting.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:44 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:31 pm Also if Alison isn't the exe, then Dr. Wiggly is. 100%. and @ Ted this is why I spent two pages burying Alison because somehow people still don't want to vote her.

Why is this? Very interesting.

Cause I don't like your posts. Maybe I'll explain more later

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:05 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:44 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:31 pm Also if Alison isn't the exe, then Dr. Wiggly is. 100%. and @ Ted this is why I spent two pages burying Alison because somehow people still don't want to vote her.

Why is this? Very interesting.

Cause I don't like your posts. Maybe I'll explain more later

That's shady as hell. Not sure if I should be offended or not.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:07 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:05 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:44 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:31 pm Also if Alison isn't the exe, then Dr. Wiggly is. 100%. and @ Ted this is why I spent two pages burying Alison because somehow people still don't want to vote her.

Why is this? Very interesting.

Cause I don't like your posts. Maybe I'll explain more later

That's shady as hell. Not sure if I should be offended or not.

You ask a lot of questions but don't contribute much

you deflect from Alison while acting like you're not teamed and it feels forced

your slot before sub was scummy

and yes this is all based on association reads to Alison and I will consider Alison as scum until she hard claims or flips

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:30 pm I'm advocating an Alison exe until she is dead or hard claims btw, I don't care if her wanting to be exed is townie behavior when 99% of her posts are extremely scummy

I have many, many times seen Maf promote their own lynch & vote for themselves. It doesn't strike me as towny behaviour the way it seems to for others

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine
[VOTE: Dr Wilgy] aubergine

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:27 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:07 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:05 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:44 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:31 pm Also if Alison isn't the exe, then Dr. Wiggly is. 100%. and @ Ted this is why I spent two pages burying Alison because somehow people still don't want to vote her.

Why is this? Very interesting.

Cause I don't like your posts. Maybe I'll explain more later

That's shady as hell. Not sure if I should be offended or not.

You ask a lot of questions but don't contribute much

you deflect from Alison while acting like you're not teamed and it feels forced

your slot before sub was scummy

and yes this is all based on association reads to Alison and I will consider Alison as scum until she hard claims or flips

Ah yes, "I'm right and that's it, anyone who disagrees must be scum." Never-mind the fact that I openly stated to find Alison scummy but am weighing the recent responses. Glad to know we are on the same page.

Also why me in particular. Where is the opinion on Sig who expressed this as a TvT event?

sig has some town cred because of his vote on Syn.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:54 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
[VOTE: Dr Wilgy] aubergine

Ah! you too? Do tell?

Actually, I've no idea what others think of him, but I'm giving him town cred.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:04 pm sig has some town cred because of his vote on Syn.

Ah. Ok.

that's just where I'm at right now. People can disagree but I'm going to continue to push the exes I believe are correct

Your slot had awkward interactions with Alison before the vote while sig was townie before it. Sig voted for mafia. You also say Alison's posts are scummy but they could be from a frustrated town, deflecting. You also choose to vote Alison's scum read over Alison

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:21 pm that's just where I'm at right now. People can disagree but I'm going to continue to push the exes I believe are correct

I have no qualms with this, but what comes after? I'd like to know the team combinations following if you are correct/incorrect.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:22 pm Your slot had awkward interactions with Alison before the vote while sig was townie before it. Sig voted for mafia. You also say Alison's posts are scummy but they could be from a frustrated town, deflecting. You also choose to vote Alison's scum read over Alison

I don't have day 1 and wont. I choose to engage here and now. I do not deflect, only ask the questions we need answered. I do not know if you or sig is correct.

I want Ted to respond. That's what my vote is for. I would like to know if Ted's sus on Alison is authentic. When I first read the page where I subbed in, I felt an off 50/50 from Ted-Alison and then it shifted to you and Alison. If you are wrong, what's keeping one from sheeping you?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:05 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:54 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
[VOTE: Dr Wilgy] aubergine

Ah! you too? Do tell?

Me too? I'm the only one voting for you that I see. Leading the charge.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:27 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:21 pm that's just where I'm at right now. People can disagree but I'm going to continue to push the exes I believe are correct

I have no qualms with this, but what comes after? I'd like to know the team combinations following if you are correct/incorrect.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:22 pm Your slot had awkward interactions with Alison before the vote while sig was townie before it. Sig voted for mafia. You also say Alison's posts are scummy but they could be from a frustrated town, deflecting. You also choose to vote Alison's scum read over Alison

I don't have day 1 and wont. I choose to engage here and now. I do not deflect, only ask the questions we need answered. I do not know if you or sig is correct.

I want Ted to respond. That's what my vote is for. I would like to know if Ted's sus on Alison is authentic. When I first read the page where I subbed in, I felt an off 50/50 from Ted-Alison and then it shifted to you and Alison. If you are wrong, what's keeping one from sheeping you?

I don't know, you can try to figure that out if you want. It'd help with convincing me you're town if you come up with something good

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:35 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:05 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:54 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
[VOTE: Dr Wilgy] aubergine

Ah! you too? Do tell?

Me too? I'm the only one voting for you that I see. Leading the charge.

Ah, forgot that we aren't reading today.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:48 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:35 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:05 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:54 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
[VOTE: Dr Wilgy] aubergine

Ah! you too? Do tell?

Me too? I'm the only one voting for you that I see. Leading the charge.

Ah, forgot that we aren't reading today.

Don't make fun of my illiteracy! Hooked on phonics did 2 things for me, jack & shit

I'm a little sketched out by the folks who are trying to get me to alter my current doctor claim. I don't really know what claiming rules and regulations they're playing by, but I'm a doctor, yes. Or am I?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:08 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:52 pm Maybe someone wanted it to look like I am the killer, since Joseph was after me.

Joe is pretty good at reading you

Maybe he's pretty good and just has a bad read this time... or maybe he's pretty average at reading me, and has gotten lucky once or twice.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:38 pm If Alison's scum, why would should ask everyone to chop her today? I'm confused.

It'd make more sense if there were three scum left, but there's only 2..

I'm not losing to a scum that asked me to yeet them as part of a bid to deflect my suspicion. So, my vote has to stay on Alison.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:15 pm I'm a little sketched out by the folks who are trying to get me to alter my current doctor claim. I don't really know what claiming rules and regulations they're playing by, but I'm a doctor, yes. Or am I?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:08 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:52 pm Maybe someone wanted it to look like I am the killer, since Joseph was after me.

Joe is pretty good at reading you

Maybe he's pretty good and just has a bad read this time... or maybe he's pretty average at reading me, and has gotten lucky once or twice.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:38 pm If Alison's scum, why would should ask everyone to chop her today? I'm confused.

It'd make more sense if there were three scum left, but there's only 2..

I'm not losing to a scum that asked me to yeet them as part of a bid to deflect my suspicion. So, my vote has to stay on Alison.

I'd like if you just hard claimed. Alisons probably going to cc so I'd rather get it over with sooner rather than later

just FYI

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:17 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:15 pm I'm a little sketched out by the folks who are trying to get me to alter my current doctor claim. I don't really know what claiming rules and regulations they're playing by, but I'm a doctor, yes. Or am I?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:08 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:52 pm Maybe someone wanted it to look like I am the killer, since Joseph was after me.

Joe is pretty good at reading you

Maybe he's pretty good and just has a bad read this time... or maybe he's pretty average at reading me, and has gotten lucky once or twice.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:38 pm If Alison's scum, why would should ask everyone to chop her today? I'm confused.

It'd make more sense if there were three scum left, but there's only 2..

I'm not losing to a scum that asked me to yeet them as part of a bid to deflect my suspicion. So, my vote has to stay on Alison.

I'd like if you just hard claimed. Alisons probably going to cc so I'd rather get it over with sooner rather than later

Ok, I hard-claim doc. For you.

ty long con, I knew I could trust you. @Alison any response?

also I didn't really mind making you hard claim cause I'm already outed so, we already lose a PR tonight anyway

I don't have a counterclaim. If someone else has a counterclaim let me know, else I'll proceed with the assumption that Esooa and LC are the docs. I see you are all fully tunnelled and am happy to die today to let you all solve the game.

Here's my proposal. Exe me, and before you do, listen to my words, and engage with them, and treat them as though they were true. Since I'm guaranteed to die regardless, you are all going to ignore what I say if I flip red anyway. But when I flip green you will be glad you took the chance to talk to me when I'm still alive. Proceeding on the assumption that Esooa + LC are indeed the docs:

My towncore is as follows: the docs/tutuu/Falcon/sig. Obviously re-evaluate if one of them drops off sharply, but this is where I'm at right now.

If I haven't miscleared one of them, the mafia is in Marmot/Wilgy/ted, and if there's two there then we have auto. Now, my personal read on these three is ted -> Marmot -> Wilgy for exe order, but I think Marmot -> ted -> Wilgy is acceptable if you want to give ted some credit for being on the Syn wagon, or if you want to respect Mac's solve. I will say that I think Wilgy is by far the towniest player of the three and I nearly towncored him. I will also say that if I'm misclearing someone in the towncore it's most likely sig, as the other clears are stronger.