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Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:04 pm
by Ricochet
Not intent to do reads tonight. Road trip, tired, etc.
potentialsheltervet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 3:56 pm I'd also be okay with Ricochet going over at this point. I think he could likely be a hit.
Shot in the dark, then, or any reasons?
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:01 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:50 am
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:41 am I truly adore hammers
[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Perish before f3 pls
Here.

Kk.

[VOTE: Rico] aubergine

Wolf on my wagon is this.
So I voted for "shitty reasons" -- in fact for you voting Roxy, unreasoned, right after her snap post -- therefore you'll also do the same?

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:04 pm
by fingersplints
Yikes. I don’t like that my top two are at odds.

However if I learned anything from zenon I know they will bus and aggressively, so maybe if means nothing

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:19 pm
by Porscha
Why this game got me feeling like

Image

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:26 pm
by Thunal33
potentialsheltervet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 11:40 am @Thunal33 You're my strongest townlean. How are you reading Zenon? I haven't been a fan of some of her recent posts. I think her and Porscha is w/v and I wouldn't be surprised if she spewed Porscha town tbh
Also though I don't trust my ability to read her so... oomph
I townread Zenon coming into today, but I'm feeling less confident about that now. Her reads feel very safe today, like not scumreading anyone except Falcon who hasn't posted at all in her readslist. Her PoE felt safe yesterday as well (scumreading Splints) but then I was inclined to think her reads just landed that way, while now it's become more of a pattern. I still give weight to a couple of town points she had yesterday - like her trying to catch Rondo so early and avoiding past mistakes being a big part of her reads, and I at least agree on her latest Ricochet vote. I'd still put her at a townlean.

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:28 pm
by Thunal33
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 12:14 pm
Thunal33 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 10:47 am I want to give Roxy room to breathe and see how she solves without as much pressure. From her reaction I think she'll probably show her alignment better if she doesn't have the pressure on her.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine
Again, why give one player room to breathe but not another? Do you all really think eliminating every low poster solves the game?
It's not that Roxy is a low poster, it's that she was clearly frustrated about being suspected and didn't want to defend herself and I've found players like that are more readable when they're left alone for a bit.

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:31 pm
by Thunal33
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 12:19 pm
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 12:14 pm
Thunal33 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 10:47 am I want to give Roxy room to breathe and see how she solves without as much pressure. From her reaction I think she'll probably show her alignment better if she doesn't have the pressure on her.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine
Again, why give one player room to breathe but not another? Do you all really think eliminating every low poster solves the game?
We’re far from there yet, but do you prefer an f5 phase with such inactives still in the mix? Do you get reads from no content and sheep votes?
I know Falcon enough to know he posts enough per day that he's readable in lylo.

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:33 pm
by Ricochet
my unresearched POE, probably

splints - better impression of her defense of not being an intimidated player, but scroll back and don't get a sense of what she's looking into, both her non-falcon poe choices seem just players she was at odds with during certain debates (either defensive w. Zenon or on lynch principles with me)
falcon - placeholder for slackaward
Zenon - very chaotic and not familiar with the tell that she would issue strong town reads, but have this much trouble to issue wolf reads - is it towny tell, is it wolfy tell of her?
ShelterVet - always appears to have a moment of contribution, but then look back and the reads aren't that clear and just switched between two votes with thin-to-no substantiation

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:36 pm
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:04 pm Not intent to do reads tonight. Road trip, tired, etc.
potentialsheltervet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 3:56 pm I'd also be okay with Ricochet going over at this point. I think he could likely be a hit.
Shot in the dark, then, or any reasons?
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:01 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:50 am
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:41 am I truly adore hammers
[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Perish before f3 pls
Here.

Kk.

[VOTE: Rico] aubergine

Wolf on my wagon is this.
So I voted for "shitty reasons" -- in fact for you voting Roxy, unreasoned, right after her snap post -- therefore you'll also do the same?
AtE isn't towny and I'm not gonna apologize for voting it.

You voting me for bad reasons and immediately bailing when my wagon gained traction is wolfy because I know I'm gonna flip town. You're scared to sit on me.

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:37 pm
by Thunal33
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 1:07 pm Hmm, same only have so many miselims. Do we really want to waste them resolving spots who haven’t gotten into the game yet? Falcon isn’t some newb who we have to worry about. He’s one of the top players on this site. If he’s quite it’s RL reasons or some people just take a day or two to get into the game. I do. It seems like an easy elim to me. People are grasping at LHf
I know he's not a newb but he was a wolflean for me because him sheeping me on Lemon felt like he was avoiding accountability for his Lemon vote.

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:37 pm
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:04 pm Yikes. I don’t like that my top two are at odds.

However if I learned anything from zenon I know they will bus and aggressively, so maybe if means nothing
I will never bus in a 2 wolf set up.

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:38 pm
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Thunal33 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:26 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 11:40 am @Thunal33 You're my strongest townlean. How are you reading Zenon? I haven't been a fan of some of her recent posts. I think her and Porscha is w/v and I wouldn't be surprised if she spewed Porscha town tbh
Also though I don't trust my ability to read her so... oomph
I townread Zenon coming into today, but I'm feeling less confident about that now. Her reads feel very safe today, like not scumreading anyone except Falcon who hasn't posted at all in her readslist. Her PoE felt safe yesterday as well (scumreading Splints) but then I was inclined to think her reads just landed that way, while now it's become more of a pattern. I still give weight to a couple of town points she had yesterday - like her trying to catch Rondo so early and avoiding past mistakes being a big part of her reads, and I at least agree on her latest Ricochet vote. I'd still put her at a townlean.
You've specced me you know I don't scum hunt I town hunt and this game is not giving me any thing so I'm just froze

Nothing I can do about that when I can't play my game.

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:42 pm
by Ricochet
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:36 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:04 pm Not intent to do reads tonight. Road trip, tired, etc.
potentialsheltervet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 3:56 pm I'd also be okay with Ricochet going over at this point. I think he could likely be a hit.
Shot in the dark, then, or any reasons?
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:01 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:50 am
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:41 am I truly adore hammers
[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Perish before f3 pls
Here.

Kk.

[VOTE: Rico] aubergine

Wolf on my wagon is this.
So I voted for "shitty reasons" -- in fact for you voting Roxy, unreasoned, right after her snap post -- therefore you'll also do the same?
AtE isn't towny and I'm not gonna apologize for voting it.

You voting me for bad reasons and immediately bailing when my wagon gained traction is wolfy because I know I'm gonna flip town. You're scared to sit on me.
There is no consistent likelihood of AtE being wolf and there were enough varied responses - from "yeah this is town" to "this needs a breather" - not to warrant an instant, unreasoned vote slap.

Gained what traction? It was just splints doing a vote-everyone thing.

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:45 pm
by Porscha
[VOTE: PSV] aubergine

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:45 pm
by fingersplints
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:33 pm my unresearched POE, probably

splints - better impression of her defense of not being an intimidated player, but scroll back and don't get a sense of what she's looking into, both her non-falcon poe choices seem just players she was at odds with during certain debates (either defensive w. Zenon or on lynch principles with me)
falcon - placeholder for slackaward
Zenon - very chaotic and not familiar with the tell that she would issue strong town reads, but have this much trouble to issue wolf reads - is it towny tell, is it wolfy tell of her?
ShelterVet - always appears to have a moment of contribution, but then look back and the reads aren't that clear and just switched between two votes with thin-to-no substantiation
This is a weird Poe

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:46 pm
by Thunal33
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:50 am
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:41 am I truly adore hammers
[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Perish before f3 pls
This vote and the follow up back onto Falcon pinged me. Ricochet is using whether someone would be good alive in lylo as a big reason for voting today. I know I as scum sometimes tend to use one aspect of solving as a crutch (like in my last scum game, I heavily used NKA even though I don't usually do it much as town) and voting based on who he wants in lylo feels like a similar substitute to scumreading on whether the person's content comes from a wolf.

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:47 pm
by Ricochet
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:45 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:33 pm my unresearched POE, probably

splints - better impression of her defense of not being an intimidated player, but scroll back and don't get a sense of what she's looking into, both her non-falcon poe choices seem just players she was at odds with during certain debates (either defensive w. Zenon or on lynch principles with me)
falcon - placeholder for slackaward
Zenon - very chaotic and not familiar with the tell that she would issue strong town reads, but have this much trouble to issue wolf reads - is it towny tell, is it wolfy tell of her?
ShelterVet - always appears to have a moment of contribution, but then look back and the reads aren't that clear and just switched between two votes with thin-to-no substantiation
This is a weird Poe
Why? Two thirds of it (yourself not included) is also yours.

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:48 pm
by fingersplints
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:45 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:33 pm my unresearched POE, probably

splints - better impression of her defense of not being an intimidated player, but scroll back and don't get a sense of what she's looking into, both her non-falcon poe choices seem just players she was at odds with during certain debates (either defensive w. Zenon or on lynch principles with me)
falcon - placeholder for slackaward
Zenon - very chaotic and not familiar with the tell that she would issue strong town reads, but have this much trouble to issue wolf reads - is it towny tell, is it wolfy tell of her?
ShelterVet - always appears to have a moment of contribution, but then look back and the reads aren't that clear and just switched between two votes with thin-to-no substantiation
This is a weird Poe
Before anyone asks the reason I find it weird is everyone of his suspicions is “xxxxx but xxxx” every one except falcon has a “but”

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:49 pm
by fingersplints
You asked while I was typing. I don’t like your use of but
It’s hedgey as all hell

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:51 pm
by Thunal33
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:38 pm
Thunal33 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:26 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 11:40 am @Thunal33 You're my strongest townlean. How are you reading Zenon? I haven't been a fan of some of her recent posts. I think her and Porscha is w/v and I wouldn't be surprised if she spewed Porscha town tbh
Also though I don't trust my ability to read her so... oomph
I townread Zenon coming into today, but I'm feeling less confident about that now. Her reads feel very safe today, like not scumreading anyone except Falcon who hasn't posted at all in her readslist. Her PoE felt safe yesterday as well (scumreading Splints) but then I was inclined to think her reads just landed that way, while now it's become more of a pattern. I still give weight to a couple of town points she had yesterday - like her trying to catch Rondo so early and avoiding past mistakes being a big part of her reads, and I at least agree on her latest Ricochet vote. I'd still put her at a townlean.
You've specced me you know I don't scum hunt I town hunt and this game is not giving me any thing so I'm just froze

Nothing I can do about that when I can't play my game.
GTH if you had to give a PoE of 2 people, who would it be?

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:53 pm
by Ricochet
Thunal33 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:46 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:50 am
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:41 am I truly adore hammers
[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Perish before f3 pls
This vote and the follow up back onto Falcon pinged me. Ricochet is using whether someone would be good alive in lylo as a big reason for voting today. I know I as scum sometimes tend to use one aspect of solving as a crutch (like in my last scum game, I heavily used NKA even though I don't usually do it much as town) and voting based on who he wants in lylo feels like a similar substitute to scumreading on whether the person's content comes from a wolf.
Timeline was Porscha asking for a buff wagon on Roxy (and for me to move on it, I think?), me asking for productive reads rather than closing in on hammer not even seven hours into the Day, and then Zenon above closing that in (if I would have moved, it would have been 4 votes already), not even with the clarification that she sanctioned Roxy's AtE.

Might be indeed projecting (too many?) not-ideal scenarios for fx's, but that line was just a reaction - and with the vague recollection that Zenon did in fact snapvote a town loss into a final phase endgame (that Secret Santa game or what-was-it-called? - and I cannot both ask for time to be productive in reads and votes and do final (?), definitive votes on late phase scenarios alone.

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:56 pm
by Ricochet
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:48 pm
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:45 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:33 pm my unresearched POE, probably

splints - better impression of her defense of not being an intimidated player, but scroll back and don't get a sense of what she's looking into, both her non-falcon poe choices seem just players she was at odds with during certain debates (either defensive w. Zenon or on lynch principles with me)
falcon - placeholder for slackaward
Zenon - very chaotic and not familiar with the tell that she would issue strong town reads, but have this much trouble to issue wolf reads - is it towny tell, is it wolfy tell of her?
ShelterVet - always appears to have a moment of contribution, but then look back and the reads aren't that clear and just switched between two votes with thin-to-no substantiation
This is a weird Poe
Before anyone asks the reason I find it weird is everyone of his suspicions is “xxxxx but xxxx” every one except falcon has a “but”
The buts are the main concerns.
What but can I have to a player who has done nothing, except stinkvote once? The only but is yours on that topic - oh falcon sheeped and slacked, but he'll come around, you'll see.

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:57 pm
by Thunal33
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 1:11 pm His issue is with her entrance to the game? Yes? I disagree that it’s not townie

She posted videos which is standard Rox. And @ me
We are friends so also not weird, but I don’t think a wolf Rox would @ me in her second post. We know each other well. She already has my attention. Why draw it to her further if she is a wolf? Makes no sense
This small observation that isn't really something the thread would take seriously but is something Splints might take seriously and use to read Roxy is somewhat towny.

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 5:02 pm
by Thunal33
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:53 pm
Thunal33 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:46 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:50 am
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:41 am I truly adore hammers
[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Perish before f3 pls
This vote and the follow up back onto Falcon pinged me. Ricochet is using whether someone would be good alive in lylo as a big reason for voting today. I know I as scum sometimes tend to use one aspect of solving as a crutch (like in my last scum game, I heavily used NKA even though I don't usually do it much as town) and voting based on who he wants in lylo feels like a similar substitute to scumreading on whether the person's content comes from a wolf.
Timeline was Porscha asking for a buff wagon on Roxy (and for me to move on it, I think?), me asking for productive reads rather than closing in on hammer not even seven hours into the Day, and then Zenon above closing that in (if I would have moved, it would have been 4 votes already), not even with the clarification that she sanctioned Roxy's AtE.

Might be indeed projecting (too many?) not-ideal scenarios for fx's, but that line was just a reaction - and with the vague recollection that Zenon did in fact snapvote a town loss into a final phase endgame (that Secret Santa game or what-was-it-called? - and I cannot both ask for time to be productive in reads and votes and do final (?), definitive votes on late phase scenarios alone.
What's a buff wagon? And did you actually scumread Zenon when you made that vote?

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 5:05 pm
by fingersplints
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:56 pm
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:48 pm
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:45 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:33 pm my unresearched POE, probably

splints - better impression of her defense of not being an intimidated player, but scroll back and don't get a sense of what she's looking into, both her non-falcon poe choices seem just players she was at odds with during certain debates (either defensive w. Zenon or on lynch principles with me)
falcon - placeholder for slackaward
Zenon - very chaotic and not familiar with the tell that she would issue strong town reads, but have this much trouble to issue wolf reads - is it towny tell, is it wolfy tell of her?
ShelterVet - always appears to have a moment of contribution, but then look back and the reads aren't that clear and just switched between two votes with thin-to-no substantiation
This is a weird Poe
Before anyone asks the reason I find it weird is everyone of his suspicions is “xxxxx but xxxx” every one except falcon has a “but”
The buts are the main concerns.
What but can I have to a player who has done nothing, except stinkvote once? The only but is yours on that topic - oh falcon sheeped and slacked, but he'll come around, you'll see.
Nope
Falcon didn’t get a “but”
What of everyone else except me and falcon. You still added the “but” there

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 5:12 pm
by Ricochet
Thunal33 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 5:02 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:53 pm
Thunal33 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:46 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:50 am
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:41 am I truly adore hammers
[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Perish before f3 pls
This vote and the follow up back onto Falcon pinged me. Ricochet is using whether someone would be good alive in lylo as a big reason for voting today. I know I as scum sometimes tend to use one aspect of solving as a crutch (like in my last scum game, I heavily used NKA even though I don't usually do it much as town) and voting based on who he wants in lylo feels like a similar substitute to scumreading on whether the person's content comes from a wolf.
Timeline was Porscha asking for a buff wagon on Roxy (and for me to move on it, I think?), me asking for productive reads rather than closing in on hammer not even seven hours into the Day, and then Zenon above closing that in (if I would have moved, it would have been 4 votes already), not even with the clarification that she sanctioned Roxy's AtE.

Might be indeed projecting (too many?) not-ideal scenarios for fx's, but that line was just a reaction - and with the vague recollection that Zenon did in fact snapvote a town loss into a final phase endgame (that Secret Santa game or what-was-it-called? - and I cannot both ask for time to be productive in reads and votes and do final (?), definitive votes on late phase scenarios alone.
What's a buff wagon? And did you actually scumread Zenon when you made that vote?
There were two wagons with 2 votes each at that time, but Porscha seemed to want a bigger, buffer one.

Not a proper scumread, I suppose, just a sanction vote for unreasoned and unproductive wagon consolidation. Not something unlike myself, if you count even the stance on falcon. Would have found it even more indignant if it would have been the 4th or hammer vote on Roxy.

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 5:13 pm
by Ricochet
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 5:05 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:56 pm
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:48 pm
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:45 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:33 pm my unresearched POE, probably

splints - better impression of her defense of not being an intimidated player, but scroll back and don't get a sense of what she's looking into, both her non-falcon poe choices seem just players she was at odds with during certain debates (either defensive w. Zenon or on lynch principles with me)
falcon - placeholder for slackaward
Zenon - very chaotic and not familiar with the tell that she would issue strong town reads, but have this much trouble to issue wolf reads - is it towny tell, is it wolfy tell of her?
ShelterVet - always appears to have a moment of contribution, but then look back and the reads aren't that clear and just switched between two votes with thin-to-no substantiation
This is a weird Poe
Before anyone asks the reason I find it weird is everyone of his suspicions is “xxxxx but xxxx” every one except falcon has a “but”
The buts are the main concerns.
What but can I have to a player who has done nothing, except stinkvote once? The only but is yours on that topic - oh falcon sheeped and slacked, but he'll come around, you'll see.
Nope
Falcon didn’t get a “but”
What of everyone else except me and falcon. You still added the “but” there
What of everyone else? My reasonings are there.

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 5:17 pm
by fingersplints
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 5:13 pm
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 5:05 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:56 pm
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:48 pm
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:45 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:33 pm my unresearched POE, probably

splints - better impression of her defense of not being an intimidated player, but scroll back and don't get a sense of what she's looking into, both her non-falcon poe choices seem just players she was at odds with during certain debates (either defensive w. Zenon or on lynch principles with me)
falcon - placeholder for slackaward
Zenon - very chaotic and not familiar with the tell that she would issue strong town reads, but have this much trouble to issue wolf reads - is it towny tell, is it wolfy tell of her?
ShelterVet - always appears to have a moment of contribution, but then look back and the reads aren't that clear and just switched between two votes with thin-to-no substantiation
This is a weird Poe
Before anyone asks the reason I find it weird is everyone of his suspicions is “xxxxx but xxxx” every one except falcon has a “but”
The buts are the main concerns.
What but can I have to a player who has done nothing, except stinkvote once? The only but is yours on that topic - oh falcon sheeped and slacked, but he'll come around, you'll see.
Nope
Falcon didn’t get a “but”
What of everyone else except me and falcon. You still added the “but” there
What of everyone else? My reasonings are there.
but…..

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 5:25 pm
by Ricochet
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 5:17 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 5:13 pm
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 5:05 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:56 pm
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:48 pm
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:45 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:33 pm my unresearched POE, probably

splints - better impression of her defense of not being an intimidated player, but scroll back and don't get a sense of what she's looking into, both her non-falcon poe choices seem just players she was at odds with during certain debates (either defensive w. Zenon or on lynch principles with me)
falcon - placeholder for slackaward
Zenon - very chaotic and not familiar with the tell that she would issue strong town reads, but have this much trouble to issue wolf reads - is it towny tell, is it wolfy tell of her?
ShelterVet - always appears to have a moment of contribution, but then look back and the reads aren't that clear and just switched between two votes with thin-to-no substantiation
This is a weird Poe
Before anyone asks the reason I find it weird is everyone of his suspicions is “xxxxx but xxxx” every one except falcon has a “but”
The buts are the main concerns.
What but can I have to a player who has done nothing, except stinkvote once? The only but is yours on that topic - oh falcon sheeped and slacked, but he'll come around, you'll see.
Nope
Falcon didn’t get a “but”
What of everyone else except me and falcon. You still added the “but” there
What of everyone else? My reasonings are there.
but…..
Image

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 5:29 pm
by Thunal33
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 5:12 pm
Thunal33 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 5:02 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:53 pm
Thunal33 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:46 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:50 am
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:41 am I truly adore hammers
[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Perish before f3 pls
This vote and the follow up back onto Falcon pinged me. Ricochet is using whether someone would be good alive in lylo as a big reason for voting today. I know I as scum sometimes tend to use one aspect of solving as a crutch (like in my last scum game, I heavily used NKA even though I don't usually do it much as town) and voting based on who he wants in lylo feels like a similar substitute to scumreading on whether the person's content comes from a wolf.
Timeline was Porscha asking for a buff wagon on Roxy (and for me to move on it, I think?), me asking for productive reads rather than closing in on hammer not even seven hours into the Day, and then Zenon above closing that in (if I would have moved, it would have been 4 votes already), not even with the clarification that she sanctioned Roxy's AtE.

Might be indeed projecting (too many?) not-ideal scenarios for fx's, but that line was just a reaction - and with the vague recollection that Zenon did in fact snapvote a town loss into a final phase endgame (that Secret Santa game or what-was-it-called? - and I cannot both ask for time to be productive in reads and votes and do final (?), definitive votes on late phase scenarios alone.
What's a buff wagon? And did you actually scumread Zenon when you made that vote?
There were two wagons with 2 votes each at that time, but Porscha seemed to want a bigger, buffer one.

Not a proper scumread, I suppose, just a sanction vote for unreasoned and unproductive wagon consolidation. Not something unlike myself, if you count even the stance on falcon. Would have found it even more indignant if it would have been the 4th or hammer vote on Roxy.
Lol I was wondering if it was a typo or some weird new term but that makes sense.

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 5:39 pm
by Epignosis
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 1:43 am
Epignosis wrote: Sat May 27, 2023 10:43 pm There's a risk-reward aspect to Rondo's going after everyone. You stir things up early on but your bread crumbs are rotten croutons.

I remember Rondo's posts enough that going through them won't yield anything of substance.

Who is scared of the loud loose cannon? I know I am.
Err.
Can't manipulate that. I want people around I can manipulate when I'm mafia.
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 1:43 am
Epignosis wrote: Sat May 27, 2023 10:56 pm I still think Roxy is mafia.

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine
Would like more a substantiative read on why "still" Roxy.
I don't have one. I have my perspective from Day 1 that hasn't changed. What would make you think I have a more profound assessment given that Roxy had not posted since I said that?

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 5:40 pm
by Epignosis
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 2:11 am
Epignosis wrote: Sat May 27, 2023 10:54 pm
Zenon wrote: Fri May 26, 2023 12:21 pm
Epignosis wrote: Thu May 25, 2023 9:55 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu May 25, 2023 9:55 pm I am eating the n1 kill for sure Epi
Do not be so sure.
Literally neither of you are dying
:meany:
Pretty sure the only reason you killed rondo was to troll me for that post huh?

:p
:feb:

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 5:41 pm
by Thunal33
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:33 pm my unresearched POE, probably

splints - better impression of her defense of not being an intimidated player, but scroll back and don't get a sense of what she's looking into, both her non-falcon poe choices seem just players she was at odds with during certain debates (either defensive w. Zenon or on lynch principles with me)
falcon - placeholder for slackaward
Zenon - very chaotic and not familiar with the tell that she would issue strong town reads, but have this much trouble to issue wolf reads - is it towny tell, is it wolfy tell of her?
ShelterVet - always appears to have a moment of contribution, but then look back and the reads aren't that clear and just switched between two votes with thin-to-no substantiation
On Splints' "but" point - The splints and psv reads were a "x is towny but y is wolfy" kind of but, however the Zenon one is used differently since it's part of one statement. I don't think saying something is towny and something else is wolfy from the same player is necessarily wolfy, and in this case Ricochet had enough committal reads d1 that I don't think he's trying to avoid them.

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 6:08 pm
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:42 pm
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:36 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:04 pm Not intent to do reads tonight. Road trip, tired, etc.
potentialsheltervet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 3:56 pm I'd also be okay with Ricochet going over at this point. I think he could likely be a hit.
Shot in the dark, then, or any reasons?
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:01 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:50 am
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:41 am I truly adore hammers
[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Perish before f3 pls
Here.

Kk.

[VOTE: Rico] aubergine

Wolf on my wagon is this.
So I voted for "shitty reasons" -- in fact for you voting Roxy, unreasoned, right after her snap post -- therefore you'll also do the same?
AtE isn't towny and I'm not gonna apologize for voting it.

You voting me for bad reasons and immediately bailing when my wagon gained traction is wolfy because I know I'm gonna flip town. You're scared to sit on me.
There is no consistent likelihood of AtE being wolf and there were enough varied responses - from "yeah this is town" to "this needs a breather" - not to warrant an instant, unreasoned vote slap.

Gained what traction? It was just splints doing a vote-everyone thing.
I hit top wagon buddy

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 6:08 pm
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Thunal33 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:46 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:50 am
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:41 am I truly adore hammers
[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Perish before f3 pls
This vote and the follow up back onto Falcon pinged me. Ricochet is using whether someone would be good alive in lylo as a big reason for voting today. I know I as scum sometimes tend to use one aspect of solving as a crutch (like in my last scum game, I heavily used NKA even though I don't usually do it much as town) and voting based on who he wants in lylo feels like a similar substitute to scumreading on whether the person's content comes from a wolf.
Hey someone else sees it

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 6:09 pm
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Thunal33 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:51 pm
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:38 pm
Thunal33 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:26 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 11:40 am @Thunal33 You're my strongest townlean. How are you reading Zenon? I haven't been a fan of some of her recent posts. I think her and Porscha is w/v and I wouldn't be surprised if she spewed Porscha town tbh
Also though I don't trust my ability to read her so... oomph
I townread Zenon coming into today, but I'm feeling less confident about that now. Her reads feel very safe today, like not scumreading anyone except Falcon who hasn't posted at all in her readslist. Her PoE felt safe yesterday as well (scumreading Splints) but then I was inclined to think her reads just landed that way, while now it's become more of a pattern. I still give weight to a couple of town points she had yesterday - like her trying to catch Rondo so early and avoiding past mistakes being a big part of her reads, and I at least agree on her latest Ricochet vote. I'd still put her at a townlean.
You've specced me you know I don't scum hunt I town hunt and this game is not giving me any thing so I'm just froze

Nothing I can do about that when I can't play my game.
GTH if you had to give a PoE of 2 people, who would it be?
Rico and

Fuck if I know

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 6:10 pm
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 6:09 pm
Thunal33 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:51 pm
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:38 pm
Thunal33 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:26 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 11:40 am @Thunal33 You're my strongest townlean. How are you reading Zenon? I haven't been a fan of some of her recent posts. I think her and Porscha is w/v and I wouldn't be surprised if she spewed Porscha town tbh
Also though I don't trust my ability to read her so... oomph
I townread Zenon coming into today, but I'm feeling less confident about that now. Her reads feel very safe today, like not scumreading anyone except Falcon who hasn't posted at all in her readslist. Her PoE felt safe yesterday as well (scumreading Splints) but then I was inclined to think her reads just landed that way, while now it's become more of a pattern. I still give weight to a couple of town points she had yesterday - like her trying to catch Rondo so early and avoiding past mistakes being a big part of her reads, and I at least agree on her latest Ricochet vote. I'd still put her at a townlean.
You've specced me you know I don't scum hunt I town hunt and this game is not giving me any thing so I'm just froze

Nothing I can do about that when I can't play my game.
GTH if you had to give a PoE of 2 people, who would it be?
Rico and

Fuck if I know
PSV maybe

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 6:17 pm
by Epignosis
Roxy wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 7:24 am
Players acting like they know me or my style. Saying I'm slank which sounds awful like moist.
Roxy wrote: Fri May 26, 2023 1:42 pm I try to change my game style with each game I play whether town or bad.
Which is it? Do you have a style anybody can know or pretend to know, or do you really switch it up every time?
Roxy wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 7:24 am
Epi is still mad bc last time he was bad I came him out on it not that anyone listened to me.
This is a game on the Internet and no money is involved. I don't get mad. I'm not twelve.

No one is asking you to defend anything. I made a very thin accusation against you Day 1, you called me flippant, voted me, and that's the extent of your contributions so far.

Regardless of your "style," I don't see a civilian here. That would be true if you were Emerson, Lake OR Palmer.

As for me, I've know you...


Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 6:19 pm
by Epignosis
*known

:sigh:

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 6:29 pm
by Epignosis
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:51 am In all seriousness Rox isn’t mafia. Her vs epi is likely t/t
She wouldn’t be reacting like this if she was mafia
This is well within Epi’s scum range, but his continued push feels genuine
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Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 6:34 pm
by Epignosis
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 9:32 am [VOTE: epignosis] aubergine
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 9:32 am [VOTE: falcon] aubergine
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 9:33 am [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 9:33 am [VOTE: psv] aubergine
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 9:34 am [VOTE: rico] aubergine
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 9:35 am [VOTE: roxy] aubergine
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 9:35 am [VOTE: thunal] aubergine
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 9:36 am [VOTE: zenon] aubergine
fingersplints trying a little Roncocide action.

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 6:44 pm
by Epignosis
fingersplints wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 1:11 pm His issue is with her entrance to the game? Yes? I disagree that it’s not townie

She posted videos which is standard Rox. And @ me
We are friends so also not weird, but I don’t think a wolf Rox would @ me in her second post. We know each other well. She already has my attention. Why draw it to her further if she is a wolf? Makes no sense
That's a very low bar to clear if you ask me.

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 7:55 pm
by falcon45ca
Howdy, what have I missed?9

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 8:22 pm
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
falcon45ca wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 7:55 pm Howdy, what have I missed?9
A game we never win

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 8:44 pm
by falcon45ca
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:22 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 7:55 pm Howdy, what have I missed?9
A game we never win
Why? It's D2, don't be so glum chum

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 8:58 pm
by Epignosis
fingersplints asserting that Roxy is good (and that I am too) can mean two things:

1. fingersplints and Roxy are the mafia and the former wants to talk me off of the latter.
2. fingersplints is that damn comfortable calling Roxy a civilian over being mentioned twice. :shrug:

And number one still has the "calling Roxy a civilian over being mentioned twice" bit, which is a bold strategy.

If number one is the case, that's damn funny coming from someone who is by many reports "scared of certain people in the thread."

If these two are bad, I think they kill me, not Rondo, since I'm going to tug at the Roxy bone all during Day 2.

So I'm not going to do that.

@Roxy Happy Sunday. Take Day 2 to do your thing. My vote is on you for now, but I'll look elsewhere.

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 9:02 pm
by Thunal33
falcon45ca wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:44 pm
Zenon wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:22 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 7:55 pm Howdy, what have I missed?9
A game we never win
Why? It's D2, don't be so glum chum
Hi Falcon. Can you give a few reads before you go?

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 9:04 pm
by Thunal33
Epignosis wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:58 pm fingersplints asserting that Roxy is good (and that I am too) can mean two things:

1. fingersplints and Roxy are the mafia and the former wants to talk me off of the latter.
2. fingersplints is that damn comfortable calling Roxy a civilian over being mentioned twice. :shrug:

And number one still has the "calling Roxy a civilian over being mentioned twice" bit, which is a bold strategy.

If number one is the case, that's damn funny coming from someone who is by many reports "scared of certain people in the thread."

If these two are bad, I think they kill me, not Rondo, since I'm going to tug at the Roxy bone all during Day 2.

So I'm not going to do that.

@Roxy Happy Sunday. Take Day 2 to do your thing. My vote is on you for now, but I'll look elsewhere.
I don't see a Splints/Roxy team since I don't think Splints expects to convince anyone that Roxy is town with her reasoning.

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 9:45 pm
by Porscha
falcon45ca wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 7:55 pm Howdy, what have I missed?9
Ifyoudontstartplayingthismotherfuckinggameisweartogod

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Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 10:41 pm
by Epignosis
Thunal33 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 9:04 pm
Epignosis wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:58 pm fingersplints asserting that Roxy is good (and that I am too) can mean two things:

1. fingersplints and Roxy are the mafia and the former wants to talk me off of the latter.
2. fingersplints is that damn comfortable calling Roxy a civilian over being mentioned twice. :shrug:

And number one still has the "calling Roxy a civilian over being mentioned twice" bit, which is a bold strategy.

If number one is the case, that's damn funny coming from someone who is by many reports "scared of certain people in the thread."

If these two are bad, I think they kill me, not Rondo, since I'm going to tug at the Roxy bone all during Day 2.

So I'm not going to do that.

@Roxy Happy Sunday. Take Day 2 to do your thing. My vote is on you for now, but I'll look elsewhere.
I don't see a Splints/Roxy team since I don't think Splints expects to convince anyone that Roxy is town with her reasoning.
If splints doesn't expect to do that, then why does she bother?

Re: Solar System Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 10:59 pm
by Epignosis
falcon is a good lynch in a vacuum, but I don't think he's mafia.