Help! Hostage Host! [WOLF WIN]

[Jackofhearts2005]

Are we still waiting for TSP to get back from Costco?

Just like I did with my dad when I was 4

[Jackofhearts2005]

P.S. And that's where I waffle on Jack; if he knows who SSK is, and makes a case on NOT SSK, he looks better if he manages to get the case flipped. Whenever i read one of my own posts about Jacks theory, I see the flaws in my own opinion of it, which is why he's in this category, not up top with Scotty.

I could totally see this both ways. When I read him, I see he said he's having computer issues. I hope he gets that sorted. I personally don't think he's the sort to hide behind made up excuses, and since he's taking votes I hope he is able to get back (although I am sure DDL will move his, lol).

Oh that reminds me, I'm probably restarting my campaign where you're a vampire pirate cause I can now run the sequel to that game.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Ok Jack looks a bit better. Hes casing and I can see where hes coming from.

Lily - 1
Roxy - 2

Random.org says 2

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

Random? Ugh. I am disappoint

[VOTE: DDLuffy] aubergine

Alright, let me draw some 2015 DDL energy. Disregard his streak of 10 consecutive town losses so this can work.

"Ahem. Roxy is a baddie (how we used to say back then) because she has low contribution, despite her amount of posts. She also has a vote track that suggests she was trying to avoid being the first in a successful wagon, while also going after someone with low suspicion on them. Her tone is sarcastic, and I have a tell that says sarcastic people are bad, which works even though Ive only every seen it work in anime sites full of trolls. Also let me quote some exercise from JJJ/Sloonei which I don't actually believe in but has fun colors, and use that to suggest she is wolfier than Lily."

Better now?

[Jackofhearts2005]

This votecount is still terrible and I don't feel like I have a good understanding of good reasons for why anybody is voting anybody.

Like I know why SVS and Scotty are voting but I don't think their reasons are very good and I don't know why anyone else is voting.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Scotty thinks I’m town. Kinda funny

Actually wait

Not only am I lock town but we can solve this game in mere seconds

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

I can't deny some fine comedy.

I guess I expected TSP to have said something about how I'm scum between the votecount and this post but here we are.

He didnt. This is based on ny previous post where I said Id yeet you to break your immortality. I just didn't bother to mention again.

[Scotty]

I can’t be around for eod, like usual, and I feel like we’re about to have the same bullshit happen in the waning minutes.

This is how town loses games.

Vote early. Give info. Give opinions. Don’t hold your vote or opinions until the last minute. You are losing the game for us.

“Oh shut up Scotty, I play how i play and you don’t dictate that.”

Indeed. I hope your darts sail true.

<<<<<

I don’t know how many posts I have left today. I don’t know what penalty is inflicted if I go over. In the spirit of the game I’m not going to actively pursue that consciously, even though i could.

>>>>>

Is DDL bad? I dunno. His frustration with me almost mirrors my frustration with him. I’m not as certain as I was.

Is Jack bad? I dunno. He seems more jokey and springy and that may be because he got a shiny new iPad or whatnot, or it may be because the confidence he’s had all game of not being yeeted and also that nothing I accuse him sticks for shit.

Lily could be bad on the basis that she has had rather shallow suspicions thus far. But I don’t think Lily or Porscha or Roxy should be voted today.

Sig is absolutely a dart throw.

Here’s where I might have a new thought:::

SVS has a lot of points that make sense. I tend to be paranoid of her at various points in every game we play.
And now here’s where I bring meta back in because I can’t help it- she professes that she is very careful about her perception and logic as mafia. She double and triple checks her posts to make sure things line up. Just because she has a lot of points and progressions that might make you nod your head, that doesn’t mean she is a good guy. It’s a testament to her gameplay, but I definitely see notes of manipulative behavior.
Some of that seeps out when I make declarations lumping her in with DDL or saying I said something she maybe didnt exactly say. Like of course town SVS would also want to defend herself from potential slander, but MORE SO if she’s bad. It felt like after D3, her first remark was to jump on me about misrepresenting her. I see bad SVS more likely to preserve her standing as much as possible because she has been very careful to appear that way.

So [VOTE: SVS] aubergine

I’m sure no one will read this or give a crap, but I see things as I see them, and know SVS is one tough cookie to yeet, and I feel like there are other additives that I’m not including in this that just give me the heebeejeebies

@Dragon D. Luffy

tl;dr: I feel not as confident in you or Jack; and am switching gears to SVS because I’m actually getting bad vibes.

[Scotty]

Ok Jack looks a bit better. Hes casing and I can see where hes coming from.

Lily - 1
Roxy - 2

Random.org says 2

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

Random? Ugh. I am disappoint

[VOTE: DDLuffy] aubergine

Alright, let me draw some 2015 DDL energy. Disregard his streak of 10 consecutive town losses so this can work.

"Ahem. Roxy is a baddie (how we used to say back then) because she has low contribution, despite her amount of posts. She also has a vote track that suggests she was trying to avoid being the first in a successful wagon, while also going after someone with low suspicion on them. Her tone is sarcastic, and I have a tell that says sarcastic people are bad, which works even though Ive only every seen it work in anime sites full of trolls. Also let me quote some exercise from JJJ/Sloonei which I don't actually believe in but has fun colors, and use that to suggest she is wolfier than Lily."

Better now?

I’m gonna do the thing and bring meta back in. Again.

While in a vacuum your perception of sarcastic people might be true, Roxy is different.

Roxy has a tendency to be more like a bull in a china shop when she’s good. More combative and snarky. I find that it doesn’t ring as true when she’s faking it as bad

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I can't believe I just wrote a parody of myself and Scotty is taking it seriously and arguing against it.

This site.

This freaking website.

[Scotty]

Scotty is the SK because he keeps comming up with convoluted reasons to shut down my theory of who the SK killed last night.

Again hard disagree. I think the SK and the baddies killing the same person is an interesting possibility, but not one we can really know. If I were the SK (or the baddies unless we were on a matrix with a janitor, which we aren’t based on flips) I would not talk about who I killed. What would be the point. It’s kinda weird but not conclusive.

Personally I think LC Made that post for the night 1 message, because one of his first posts in Day 2 after getting results (and if LC were the MD, he would check me first imo) was that he trusts me, and that also makes me think we are in that matrix.

This phone posting at work is more obnoxious than I remember. So odds of me doing slot if it is low. Later lovely mafia people.

I feel extremely confident that LC didn’t make a post N1 because he doesn’t seem like the type of person that would dumbtell for so long about the posts. He seemed generally confused

Nah, I think LC is crafty, and is good at town lying. not everyone is. LC can mislead as town to evade baddies with the best of them. This discussion doesn't particularly matter, since he was town, vanilla or info role doesn't matter. But I think what I think based on my LC knowledge.

And i think you probably would agree with me that LC would check me first if he had any kind of info role, as I would him tbh. We spend a lot of time circling each other in games.

Weird that you don’t think LC’s role matters. If he really were motion detector, that opens up the game because we know there’s no vig or jailkeeper.

If he checked you, or anyone, I feel like he would have at least hinted in some capacity. I don’t see it.

I do think it mattered and I do think he hinted. I think he was motion detector and he checked me night 1. I said this. I <3 you but I wonder that we both are speaking English.

@Dragon D. Luffy i hope it wasn’t me who said it. The shift away from that word happened while I was on 5 year break, so I’m sure I’ve slipped a few times.

Why would you think that? Can you show the receipt of where you think he hinted because I’m not seeing anything

[Scotty]

I can't believe I just wrote a parody of myself and Scotty is taking it seriously and arguing against it.

This site.

This freaking website.

Oh, I thought you were giving me something to respond to.

So you didn’t believe any of that?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'll bite.

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Something that has been in my mind for a while is that SvS has spent A LOT of time talking about literally everything besides the baddies. She talks of LC. A lot. She talks of the SK. A lot. She sounds genuine but she is genuinely not sounding like a townie.

Yes this is the first time I mention this. Take that as you will.

[S~V~S]

This votecount is still terrible and I don't feel like I have a good understanding of good reasons for why anybody is voting anybody.

Like I know why SVS and Scotty are voting but I don't think their reasons are very good and I don't know why anyone else is voting.

The random was kinda straw/camel. He is just too slick, he can’t be assed to take one position on anything, it’s day 3, we’ve had a busy enough thread, we had 2 drama EODs. All kinds of theories, and he’s random?

I don’t know that I buy it. It feels like he’s trying to avoid committing

I don’t want vote for Scotty, or you. Everyone else is someone I felt towny about earlier (which DDL can vibe with since that’s how he feels about sig).

Or they’re low posters, and I don’t want to vote low posters.

I spent over an hour this AM spelling out in detail how I felt about every person in the game.

I realize DDL may be surprised that I am voting for him, but he needs to give me something towny to work with.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I can't believe I just wrote a parody of myself and Scotty is taking it seriously and arguing against it.

This site.

This freaking website.

Oh, I thought you were giving me something to respond to.

So you didn’t believe any of that?

Nope. I do believe Roxy is one of the more suspicious people left, but its based on PoE.

2015 DDL would have wrote all that stuff though, not realizing it's a mountain of confirmation bias generated BS.

But I guess I cant just say "I have two suspects and I wanna kill one". I have to "write a case" like a boy scout.

[S~V~S]

Scotty is the SK because he keeps comming up with convoluted reasons to shut down my theory of who the SK killed last night.

Again hard disagree. I think the SK and the baddies killing the same person is an interesting possibility, but not one we can really know. If I were the SK (or the baddies unless we were on a matrix with a janitor, which we aren’t based on flips) I would not talk about who I killed. What would be the point. It’s kinda weird but not conclusive.

Personally I think LC Made that post for the night 1 message, because one of his first posts in Day 2 after getting results (and if LC were the MD, he would check me first imo) was that he trusts me, and that also makes me think we are in that matrix.

This phone posting at work is more obnoxious than I remember. So odds of me doing slot if it is low. Later lovely mafia people.

I feel extremely confident that LC didn’t make a post N1 because he doesn’t seem like the type of person that would dumbtell for so long about the posts. He seemed generally confused

Nah, I think LC is crafty, and is good at town lying. not everyone is. LC can mislead as town to evade baddies with the best of them. This discussion doesn't particularly matter, since he was town, vanilla or info role doesn't matter. But I think what I think based on my LC knowledge.

And i think you probably would agree with me that LC would check me first if he had any kind of info role, as I would him tbh. We spend a lot of time circling each other in games.

Weird that you don’t think LC’s role matters. If he really were motion detector, that opens up the game because we know there’s no vig or jailkeeper.

If he checked you, or anyone, I feel like he would have at least hinted in some capacity. I don’t see it.

I do think it mattered and I do think he hinted. I think he was motion detector and he checked me night 1. I said this. I <3 you but I wonder that we both are speaking English.

@Dragon D. Luffy i hope it wasn’t me who said it. The shift away from that word happened while I was on 5 year break, so I’m sure I’ve slipped a few times.

Why would you think that? Can you show the receipt of where you think he hinted because I’m not seeing anything

I told you I think he made that message about what matrix we’re in. I know you disagree but that’s what I think. Then he told me as soon as day started that he thought I was town in that weird post.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

This votecount is still terrible and I don't feel like I have a good understanding of good reasons for why anybody is voting anybody.

Like I know why SVS and Scotty are voting but I don't think their reasons are very good and I don't know why anyone else is voting.

The random was kinda straw/camel. He is just too slick, he can’t be assed to take one position on anything, it’s day 3, we’ve had a busy enough thread, we had 2 drama EODs. All kinds of theories, and he’s random?

I don’t know that I buy it. It feels like he’s trying to avoid committing

I don’t want vote for Scotty, or you. Everyone else is someone I felt towny about earlier (which DDL can vibe with since that’s how he feels about sig).

Or they’re low posters, and I don’t want to vote low posters.

I spent over an hour this AM spelling out in detail how I felt about every person in the game.

I realize DDL may be surprised that I am voting for him, but he needs to give me something towny to work with.

Im not surprised, you have made about 15 posts along the entire phase all but naming me as your biggest suspect. You voting me at the end of the day was a foregone conclusion. One that you seem to have set up very well.

[Lilypetal]

Wtf lol

Forcing me to self pres is so fucking lame why would you do that

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

Self pres

Could've been avoided easily if any of u are villagers

Like, I read this chain of posts and stiff and frozen, not reacting to what is actually being said about her and letting several posts go by and then just being like "I have to do this cause self pres this sucks" again instead of actually talking about why ppl are voting her or about who should really be voted instead looked bad.

But it all happening in 3 min reads a lot less "frozen" because there's not actually a big chunk of time where Lily isn't saying stuff and it makes sense to not be able to address reasons and put forth cases when there's only a few min left.

eh i mean you weren't there lol

also site was kinda laggy

[S~V~S]

K gotta clean up my workday and jump on the Long Island Expressway

And DDL I was trying to get you to commit. But you’re committed to working on your own terms.

I got what you were putting out.

Also it’s SVS. The V is capitalized

[Scotty]

Again hard disagree. I think the SK and the baddies killing the same person is an interesting possibility, but not one we can really know. If I were the SK (or the baddies unless we were on a matrix with a janitor, which we aren’t based on flips) I would not talk about who I killed. What would be the point. It’s kinda weird but not conclusive.

Personally I think LC Made that post for the night 1 message, because one of his first posts in Day 2 after getting results (and if LC were the MD, he would check me first imo) was that he trusts me, and that also makes me think we are in that matrix.

This phone posting at work is more obnoxious than I remember. So odds of me doing slot if it is low. Later lovely mafia people.

I feel extremely confident that LC didn’t make a post N1 because he doesn’t seem like the type of person that would dumbtell for so long about the posts. He seemed generally confused

Nah, I think LC is crafty, and is good at town lying. not everyone is. LC can mislead as town to evade baddies with the best of them. This discussion doesn't particularly matter, since he was town, vanilla or info role doesn't matter. But I think what I think based on my LC knowledge.

And i think you probably would agree with me that LC would check me first if he had any kind of info role, as I would him tbh. We spend a lot of time circling each other in games.

Weird that you don’t think LC’s role matters. If he really were motion detector, that opens up the game because we know there’s no vig or jailkeeper.

If he checked you, or anyone, I feel like he would have at least hinted in some capacity. I don’t see it.

I do think it mattered and I do think he hinted. I think he was motion detector and he checked me night 1. I said this. I <3 you but I wonder that we both are speaking English.

@Dragon D. Luffy i hope it wasn’t me who said it. The shift away from that word happened while I was on 5 year break, so I’m sure I’ve slipped a few times.

Why would you think that? Can you show the receipt of where you think he hinted because I’m not seeing anything

I told you I think he made that message about what matrix we’re in. I know you disagree but that’s what I think. Then he told me as soon as day started that he thought I was town in that weird post.

Hmm ok
I still feel very confident he didn’t submit a message N1 based on his posts D2, and I don’t see how him saying you were town is a confirmation that he would have checked you, let alone prove that you are town even if he didn’t get a result from you.

It all just seems like the weirdest conf bias that you are thinking down that route

[Lilypetal]

scotty is p towny but this read expires tomorrow

[Dragon D. Luffy]

And DDL I was trying to get you to commit.

Never.

[Jackofhearts2005]

This votecount is still terrible and I don't feel like I have a good understanding of good reasons for why anybody is voting anybody.

Like I know why SVS and Scotty are voting but I don't think their reasons are very good and I don't know why anyone else is voting.

The random was kinda straw/camel. He is just too slick, he can’t be assed to take one position on anything, it’s day 3, we’ve had a busy enough thread, we had 2 drama EODs. All kinds of theories, and he’s random?

I don’t know that I buy it. It feels like he’s trying to avoid committing

I don’t want vote for Scotty, or you. Everyone else is someone I felt towny about earlier (which DDL can vibe with since that’s how he feels about sig).

Or they’re low posters, and I don’t want to vote low posters.

I spent over an hour this AM spelling out in detail how I felt about every person in the game.

I realize DDL may be surprised that I am voting for him, but he needs to give me something towny to work with.

You're gonna have to take a stand, tbh.

[Jackofhearts2005]

This votecount is still terrible and I don't feel like I have a good understanding of good reasons for why anybody is voting anybody.

Like I know why SVS and Scotty are voting but I don't think their reasons are very good and I don't know why anyone else is voting.

The random was kinda straw/camel. He is just too slick, he can’t be assed to take one position on anything, it’s day 3, we’ve had a busy enough thread, we had 2 drama EODs. All kinds of theories, and he’s random?

I don’t know that I buy it. It feels like he’s trying to avoid committing

I don’t want vote for Scotty, or you. Everyone else is someone I felt towny about earlier (which DDL can vibe with since that’s how he feels about sig).

Or they’re low posters, and I don’t want to vote low posters.

I spent over an hour this AM spelling out in detail how I felt about every person in the game.

I realize DDL may be surprised that I am voting for him, but he needs to give me something towny to work with.

You're gonna have to take a stand, tbh.

[Scotty]

scotty is p towny but this read expires tomorrow

Why is this? I’m not like an old load of bread. I’m always fresh fresh fresh

[S~V~S]

Wow Scotty. That’s a surprise.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Guys we have 90 to yeet a wolf stop. Discussing. Whether. LC. Sent. A message N1.

[S~V~S]

And DDL I was trying to get you to commit.

Never.

Cool. Like I said, remember to cspitalize that V in SVS next time.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think "I think all the high posters are town and I don't want to yeet a low poster" is just a very weird outlook. Like if you believe your reads and you think all the high posters are town, then the scum must be in the low posters.

I'm not saying "lets yeet the low posters." I don't understand your opposition to doing that.

[Scotty]

I'll bite.

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Something that has been in my mind for a while is that SvS has spent A LOT of time talking about literally everything besides the baddies. She talks of LC. A lot. She talks of the SK. A lot. She sounds genuine but she is genuinely not sounding like a townie.

Yes this is the first time I mention this. Take that as you will.

It doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that you would be the leading wagon unless you moved, would it?

Like is there any element here of a self pres?

[Scotty]

Wow Scotty. That’s a surprise.

I know, right? That’s what happens when no one agrees with my takes, makes me think I’m just wrong.

Hope I’m not wrong about you

[Lilypetal]

scotty is p towny but this read expires tomorrow

Why is this? I’m not like an old load of bread. I’m always fresh fresh fresh

You should be dead by then.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'll bite.

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Something that has been in my mind for a while is that SvS has spent A LOT of time talking about literally everything besides the baddies. She talks of LC. A lot. She talks of the SK. A lot. She sounds genuine but she is genuinely not sounding like a townie.

Yes this is the first time I mention this. Take that as you will.

It doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that you would be the leading wagon unless you moved, would it?

Like is there any element here of a self pres?

Since when are you under the impression I wanna stay alive

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'll bite.

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Something that has been in my mind for a while is that SvS has spent A LOT of time talking about literally everything besides the baddies. She talks of LC. A lot. She talks of the SK. A lot. She sounds genuine but she is genuinely not sounding like a townie.

Yes this is the first time I mention this. Take that as you will.

This is like the best case anyone has made on anyone today. Up until 2 am warhammer brain trying to remember why I had SVS as so likely town.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I wanna townread Tony for having a not well thought out scumread on me while slanking as townmetaTony but gah do I not want to encourage this behavior.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'll bite.

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Something that has been in my mind for a while is that SvS has spent A LOT of time talking about literally everything besides the baddies. She talks of LC. A lot. She talks of the SK. A lot. She sounds genuine but she is genuinely not sounding like a townie.

Yes this is the first time I mention this. Take that as you will.

This is like the best case anyone has made on anyone today. Up until 2 am warhammer brain trying to remember why I had SVS as so likely town.

That's my secret, captain.

I don't try to make cases. They just come out when they have to.

Let's kill an SVS (capitalized for emphasis).

[Scotty]

scotty is p towny but this read expires tomorrow

Why is this? I’m not like an old load of bread. I’m always fresh fresh fresh

You should be dead by then.

Lily coming in hot with the brutal honest takes. Town. Why would mafia ever make this ballsy comment

My goal is to make mafia try to kill me and not resort to trying to paint me as SK

[Lilypetal]

I'll bite.

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Something that has been in my mind for a while is that SvS has spent A LOT of time talking about literally everything besides the baddies. She talks of LC. A lot. She talks of the SK. A lot. She sounds genuine but she is genuinely not sounding like a townie.

Yes this is the first time I mention this. Take that as you will.

This is like the best case anyone has made on anyone today. Up until 2 am warhammer brain trying to remember why I had SVS as so likely town.

this is probably true and a good post tbh

[Scotty]

I'll bite.

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Something that has been in my mind for a while is that SvS has spent A LOT of time talking about literally everything besides the baddies. She talks of LC. A lot. She talks of the SK. A lot. She sounds genuine but she is genuinely not sounding like a townie.

Yes this is the first time I mention this. Take that as you will.

This is like the best case anyone has made on anyone today. Up until 2 am warhammer brain trying to remember why I had SVS as so likely town.

[Lilypetal]

Jack / Porscha / Scotty town

[Lilypetal]

I kinda think ddl is SK

[Lilypetal]

reasoning: I think he's playing without tmi but in a wolfy way. his eod2 was kinda outting tbh, it was definitely from a perspective of someone who wanted to look good from flips but lacks tmi. I get the idea he really did go oh michelle is town

So like maybe I don't vote there. I dunno

SK or town for sure tho

[Lilypetal]

Roxy can be town I just dunno

I don't TR the stuff yall are TRing cuz it's so easy to fake

[Scotty]

I kinda think ddl is SK

I…….,….also think this. It all comes from clues on this page.

I do think that if we eliminate the SK, we have more freedom to claim shit. And I would like people to start claiming shit so we can solve the game

[S~V~S]

I'll bite.

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Something that has been in my mind for a while is that SvS has spent A LOT of time talking about literally everything besides the baddies. She talks of LC. A lot. She talks of the SK. A lot. She sounds genuine but she is genuinely not sounding like a townie.

Yes this is the first time I mention this. Take that as you will.

This is like the best case anyone has made on anyone today. Up until 2 am warhammer brain trying to remember why I had SVS as so likely town.

That's my secret, captain.

I don't try to make cases. They just come out when they have to.

Let's kill an SVS (capitalized for emphasis).

Yeah that bothered me the first time I saw it day 2.

The fact that you immediately went No U rather than trying to play with me a bit … meh. Plus that “Remember the baddies know who SSK is …” post.

I was hoping we could circle dance a bit before we both agreed to vote for someone else. But you do you.

This was super fun

[Dragon D. Luffy]

So basically I'm not wolf because I literally don't know anything but I can't be townie because I'm not enough of a boy scout so I have to be the SK.

....

You know what I'll take it.

[Lilypetal]

So basically I'm not wolf because I literally don't know anything but I can't be townie because I'm not enough of a boy scout so I have to be the SK.

....

You know what I'll take it.

That's not what I said at all but maybe someone else said that idk

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why are there no gifs of Uncle Iroh playing Shogi on the internet for when you wanna like make a move dramatically?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why are there no gifs of Uncle Iroh playing Shogi on the internet for when you wanna like make a move dramatically?

Also, no gifs of the first episode of Sherlock where he puts forth the bottle like this is the move.

Whatever.

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

[Dragon D. Luffy]

So basically I'm not wolf because I literally don't know anything but I can't be townie because I'm not enough of a boy scout so I have to be the SK.

....

You know what I'll take it.

That's not what I said at all but maybe someone else said that idk

Do I have to start another argument on paraphrasing

Do we have to go there

Is this the choice we are making for this otherwise delightful wednesday afternoon

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Poracha is online.

In the last 60 min of the day.

Like clockwork.

[Porscha]

Poracha is online.

In the last 60 min of the day.

Like clockwork.

you're lucky I bothered, I feel like shit lol