Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Nah...let's simultaneously jump onto Martin in a naked attempt to save me, then when I flip wolf you can wifom them with it being TWTBAW so just a coincidence.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:23 pm Tim they're on to us. I think I better find a way to bus you, no matter how awkward.
Good thinking.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:25 pmNah...let's simultaneously jump onto Martin in a naked attempt to save me, then when I flip wolf you can wifom them with it being TWTBAW so just a coincidence.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:23 pm Tim they're on to us. I think I better find a way to bus you, no matter how awkward.
Borrow my avatarMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:25 pm No one wants to chop all the people I want to chop.
Why can't you guys just blindly follow my vote hopping and wait for something magical to happen? I don't want to do work and make cases and things.
And am.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:28 pmFtr I absolutely would do this with Tim if we were wolf partners.
I dont think u make this post as w/w tho. RipMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:28 pmFtr I absolutely would do this with Tim if we were wolf partners.
*sips wine*MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:28 pmAnd am.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:28 pmFtr I absolutely would do this with Tim if we were wolf partners.
*gulps wine*tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:29 pmI dont think u make this post as w/w tho. RipMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:28 pmFtr I absolutely would do this with Tim if we were wolf partners.
I'm pretty attached to my little guy.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:28 pmBorrow my avatarMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:25 pm No one wants to chop all the people I want to chop.
Why can't you guys just blindly follow my vote hopping and wait for something magical to happen? I don't want to do work and make cases and things.
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:29 pm*gulps wine*tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:29 pmI dont think u make this post as w/w tho. RipMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:28 pmFtr I absolutely would do this with Tim if we were wolf partners.
Lol ur funnyMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:29 pm*gulps wine*tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:29 pmI dont think u make this post as w/w tho. RipMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:28 pmFtr I absolutely would do this with Tim if we were wolf partners.
neatMartinGG99
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Voters: hollowkatt, tedxtr, Master Radishes, Justplayingitcool, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Hyena, Timsup2nothin
Timsup2nothin
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Voters: MacDougall, Marmot, Made, tutuu, MartinGG99, Sloonei, nutella
Oh yeah how do you know this?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:31 pmneatMartinGG99
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Voters: hollowkatt, tedxtr, Master Radishes, Justplayingitcool, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Hyena, Timsup2nothin
Timsup2nothin
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Voters: MacDougall, Marmot, Made, tutuu, MartinGG99, Sloonei, nutella
just remember tutuu + Thunal (now HK) are town
Be honest, you wouldn't have the guts to do it as town either.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:31 pm Actually I just made that post to allay any tinfoil about it. In truth I'd never have the guts to do this as w/w with anyone.
*bathes in wine*
that's why I'm being deletedMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:31 pmOh yeah how do you know this?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:31 pmneatMartinGG99
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Voters: hollowkatt, tedxtr, Master Radishes, Justplayingitcool, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Hyena, Timsup2nothin
Timsup2nothin
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Voters: MacDougall, Marmot, Made, tutuu, MartinGG99, Sloonei, nutella
just remember tutuu + Thunal (now HK) are town
whMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:33 pmthat's why I'm being deletedMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:31 pmOh yeah how do you know this?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:31 pmneatMartinGG99
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Voters: hollowkatt, tedxtr, Master Radishes, Justplayingitcool, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Hyena, Timsup2nothin
Timsup2nothin
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Voters: MacDougall, Marmot, Made, tutuu, MartinGG99, Sloonei, nutella
just remember tutuu + Thunal (now HK) are town
lol
No like
3P confirmed.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:32 pmBe honest, you wouldn't have the guts to do it as town either.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:31 pm Actually I just made that post to allay any tinfoil about it. In truth I'd never have the guts to do this as w/w with anyone.
*bathes in wine*
BwongggMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:23 pmI didn't see that. We just had some assgasmic synchronicity.
this is a stupid serious questionTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:35 pm I'm gonna ask one serious question and then resume my LOL-towning...
How sure are we that whatever magical power Kyle was charging up by hopping his vote around to various people that I think might all have been town is actually a power than will be good for town?
this tutuu read is word soupMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:35 pm Seriously note though as I've emphasized time and time again in my iso
Thunal is town for copying their mindset or way of thinking from grasslands
Tutuu is town for scum-reading me for being in some ways illogical (I believe) which town tutuu but aside from that if she's scum she's stepped up her game for d1 but then that looks weird to me because she didn't optimize the eventual Cat flip who had many votes on for a long while
probably but it has been bothering me for a long time and if the town is dumb enough to chop me here I wanted it written down somewhere.Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:36 pmthis is a stupid serious questionTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:35 pm I'm gonna ask one serious question and then resume my LOL-towning...
How sure are we that whatever magical power Kyle was charging up by hopping his vote around to various people that I think might all have been town is actually a power than will be good for town?
I don't agree with any of this.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:35 pm Tutuu is town for scum-reading me for being in some ways illogical (I believe) which town tutuu but aside from that if she's scum she's stepped up her game for d1 but then that looks weird to me because she didn't optimize the eventual Cat flip who had many votes on for a long while
YOU JUST NEED TO PUT IN MOAR EFFORT!tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:34 pmNo like
I think whatever we do jpic we will always chop town cuz thats just how mafia is. Its a tortruee and its not a game tat rewards ur efforts. It is similar to league if legendd
This contains the main stuff I've said on Tutuu + Thunal I believeMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:35 pm Seriously note though as I've emphasized time and time again in my iso
Thunal is town for copying their mindset or way of thinking from grasslands
Tutuu is town for scum-reading me for being in some ways illogical (I believe) which town tutuu but aside from that if she's scum she's stepped up her game for d1 but then that looks weird to me because she didn't optimize the eventual Cat flip who had many votes on for a long while
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:20 pmI'm not convinced. I personally think tutuu would have harder stances on Cat (either way) presuming she were mafia/of-the-same alignment to make the most out of it.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:28 am tl;dr
Tutuu's progression on cat is fishy. Her reasoning for her read was weak and when asked for evidence she couldn't really provide any. She drops the cat defense by townreading Falcon and then starts day 2 voting Falcon after Falcon's c/w flips mafia. She, much like our flipped mafia friend, spends time towards the EOD defending Thunal. The mafia then kill Thunal's biggest adversary in the thread.
If I recall she specifically likes power-wolfing (and in one particular game really wanted to protect her teammates) but as town she tends to really make a lot of reads (including wrong ones such as the one on !wolf LC in grasslands). It's only inevitable that at some point that will be on a mafia and I would look to some other standard for possible partner-y interactions such as using multiple flipped mafia as evidence or arguments how her playstyle so far benefits or attempts to benefit the mafia team.
ThunalMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:21 pm Well, I mean, I feel like !wolf Tutuu really has a "teamwork" or "for the team" effort spirit to it. I doubt she would waste an opportunity she could have optimized if she knew the flip of a player that was possibly getting deleted.
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:36 pmhey @Sloonei
it might sound absurd
but it actually feels like that's what town Thunal says or happens to think about many times
or at the very least I get the feeling I recognize their responses and thinking as if they were from the Grasslands game:
(DEAR READER: THE ABOVE QUOTE IS IN A PAST GAME. THANK YOU.)Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:28 amThe possibility the person is faking always does come into my analysis, but it's not exactly good town strategy to hedge every single read I make by saying "This looks good, but they could be faking" or "I like these thoughts, but they could be faking them." It's kind of obvious that it's a possibility so I don't feel the need to actually state it.Alison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:10 am My issue isn't the read you're making. My issue is that you're like handing out reads left and right for stuff that (in my view) should be close to NAI, and I don't see evidence of the paranoia I'd expect to see from town there. There's a disparity between the substance of the read and the attitude you have towards it that I think can be plausibly explained by you having NAI on the subject of the read.
This isn't to say that townies can never be paranoid about their townreads early. But I think that kind of confidence comes either from a long history or extensive meta on the person, or because they saw something that they thought was really hard to fake. I don't think you believe that the observations you've made about me are at all hard to fake - which makes me question why the possibility I was faking didn't seem to factor into your analysis.
The only problem I could see is this, but I would argue that since it comes into play with their thinking and analysis so often, its probably difficult to keep a consistent behavior of not stating the obvious. Especially since their recent post here, in this game:
Suggests trying to be open with all of their thoughts and that IMO their tone was overall good here, though not to a clearing degree.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:42 pm I'm not saying this to defend myself and I'm not even sure if it's AI, I'm just thinking out loud:
I put a lot of thought into my posts as either alignment. I double check things and write things down and make sure my tone isn't wrong or forced. It feels restrictive but I do it anyway since I don't want to be in the PoE and I hate being yeeted. Turbos and video mafia feel more freeing since I can actually be myself without having to look at my posts under a microscope since I don't have the time to do that. Maybe I should stop overanalyzing my posts, I don't know, but I'm not sure if I'm willing to accept the downturn in results I think will come from that. I like being a good player and I want to be a better player, I take this game seriously especially in the long forum format. I just wish that the best strategy was to be myself but from experience I don't think it is. I'll try not to overthink quite as much, I guess, but I don't know what will come from that.
Not to mention, them "not stating the obvious" was actually the clear cause of them getting into a TvT for said Grasslands game. (<- Link to a huge post about it)
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:37 pm Not to mention this game COULD be multi-ball and hence they may feel more need to say it than before.
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:19 pm@dyachei, I hope you will look at this. It goes into a bit how I feel like they're town Thunal.
Now, with regards to what you've said:
I'm not sure if a "solving spark" is a good enough thing to look into. I mean its a big vague as it doesn't seem to specify if it is looking at, for example, motivation or just the happenstance of actually solving people. Or if its simply gut feeling.
I would disagree with motivation, I feel like they're motivated a fair bit even though they as of late have said they're demotivated.
Additionally, "not solving people" I think they may be more inclined to actually do that more often as mafia unless they're 3p. Reason being that by extension knowing you're a factional evil and all the other evils in your faction, regardless if there is multiball, means anyone who's not you or your buddies is more likely to be town than it is for any town who's unaware of everything.
Not to mention, this has 27 players in it. you could presumably throw out a strong town-read or two and get away with it without boxing oneself in.
If this "solving spark" refers to something else, please let me know.
You don't townread me because you're scum.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:37 pmNormally I might accept this sort of logic, as I do the same thing when reading certain other players too, but I guess the problem here is I don't really townread you to begin with.Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:02 pmMade is town for every reason you just stated that he's scum!Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:46 amI've suddenly and unexpectedly found myself in a tunnel - someone feel free to tell me why Made is town so I can get out of it if I need to. (Or come join me - I welcome company.)Because what you just described is town!me, and it feels like Made has a playstyle similar to mine!
Also, based on my previous experience of you and Made I'm not sure I agree you guys have a particularly similar playstyle. Not, like, vastly different I guess, but I can't say I made this connection on my own and have only started considering it since you think so.
