Mafia Misplay Mafia

[Esooa]

has anyone here played with Sabi much?

[Sabiplz]

Something something skill issue

[Esooa]

I maintain and will maintain that flipping HK is probably not a winning play and that’s that

That said my second read is that HK is pretty wrong about the gamestate so unless it actually is esooa neon then HK dying might be necessary anyways

What kinda hedgy opinion is this

It's not really that hedgy lol

He can't commit to a world view

Both posts are the same world view of HK being town lmao

Maybe I misread but he said how flipping HK isn't necessary but then says it is?

I don't know what you're saying

[Esooa]

has anyone here even played with Porscha much?

[Sabiplz]

has anyone here even played with Porscha much?

A handful of games

[Esooa]

has anyone here even played with Porscha much?

A handful of games

with her as wolf?

[Sabiplz]

has anyone here even played with Porscha much?

A handful of games

with her as wolf?

Twice iirc. She's very pockety with me if she's wolf against me. She hasn't this game.

[Esooa]

has anyone here even played with Porscha much?

A handful of games

with her as wolf?

Twice iirc. She's very pockety with me if she's wolf against me. She hasn't this game.

And what else do you think about her this game?

[Sabiplz]

has anyone here even played with Porscha much?

A handful of games

with her as wolf?

Twice iirc. She's very pockety with me if she's wolf against me. She hasn't this game.

And what else do you think about her this game?

She was struggling with producing reads and posting the last wolf rand. Her partner was mid killed D1 and her other one was afk for most of the game.

Compared to that, she's way more fluid and nuanced. She's able to post.

Yea I know volume tells are a meme but her content is towny. I don't have a doubt on her slot atp. We both play similarly

[Esooa]

has anyone here even played with Porscha much?

A handful of games

with her as wolf?

Twice iirc. She's very pockety with me if she's wolf against me. She hasn't this game.

And what else do you think about her this game?

She was struggling with producing reads and posting the last wolf rand. Her partner was mid killed D1 and her other one was afk for most of the game.

Compared to that, she's way more fluid and nuanced. She's able to post.

Yea I know volume tells are a meme but her content is towny. I don't have a doubt on her slot atp. We both play similarly

Struggling how? Nuanced in what ways?

[Esooa]

Did porscha have any significant alterations with Mac?

Why did you ask this earlier?

[hollowkatt]

like ok it's less "I think neon is a wolf" and more "I strongly don't think sabi, porscha, or lily are wolves"

also don't understand how you get to this and decide from the PoE presented to you, the most reasonable vote today is Neon

[VOTE: esooa] aubergine

fine, have it your way

[Esooa]

like ok it's less "I think neon is a wolf" and more "I strongly don't think sabi, porscha, or lily are wolves"

also don't understand how you get to this and decide from the PoE presented to you, the most reasonable vote today is Neon

[VOTE: esooa] aubergine

fine, have it your way

good job

[hollowkatt]

thanks
I am enjoying myself

[Porscha]

I think HK kinda has to be mafia based on how I'm reading people.

If Sabi is town the game is probably a lot easier so here's my hypothetical readslist in that context.

Town

Sabi
Porscha
Neon

Lean Town

Achro

Nanook
Jack
Santygrass

Lean Wolf

Esooa or Lily

Wolf

Risiinq
HK

I can't really see town winning this game if HK is town.

Town

Sabi
Porscha
Neon

Lean Town

Achro

Nanook
Jack
Santygrass

Lean Wolf

Esooa or Lily

Wolf

Risiinq
HK

hk is in this list? ^

[Porscha]

has anyone here even played with Porscha much?

A handful of games

with her as wolf?

Twice iirc. She's very pockety with me if she's wolf against me. She hasn't this game.

only once you think i haven't been pockety of you? I've pretty much let you slide through on a TR all game with little to no pushback on your slot...

[Esooa]

why does TSP show up for 1 minute only to leave again

[Esooa]

I think if tsp/hk were w/w TSP just busses here

[Porscha]

Did porscha have any significant alterations with Mac?

Why did you ask this earlier?

probs cuz sabi was going thru player's interactions / arguments with mac earlier. I got you sabi hold up

[Porscha]

I think if tsp/hk were w/w TSP just busses here

think neon might disagree with you since she fought me on the idea that if hk is wolf, his partner is bussing

[Esooa]

Did porscha have any significant alterations with Mac?

Why did you ask this earlier?

probs cuz sabi was going thru player's interactions / arguments with mac earlier. I got you sabi hold up

I was asking because I'm not sure why she did considering she also said she has no doubts on you atm

[Porscha]

wolf team is hk mac neon game is solved good night

Surely I am not convinced but I dont hate it

[Porscha]

went through my iso for day 1? / day 2 regarding mac interactions with me.

► Show Spoiler

I see we are in the mac survived n1 so is mafia part of the game lol

you know normally I would say yes, but this was in fact not brought up once to apply to our reasons to vote you

okay explain then

i have no current problem with visor tbh and i think choosing ender over hk is kinda logical anyways

I have seen nothing disagreeable from Visor and he's far and away my top town.

From someone who normally tunnels me D1 unless I push someone hard this is surprising.

You have pushed outside of consensus towards the same people i have which makes me think you are reading the game from a similar perspective. As the kids say "soul sex".

i have no current problem with visor tbh and i think choosing ender over hk is kinda logical anyways

I have seen nothing disagreeable from Visor and he's far and away my top town.

top town??

Yes very much so.

*yawn* mac kills ow here i'm almost certain

ow: *hardly exists*

mac: aha look at that ow. top town for sure

ow: *squints eyes at mac*

everyone else: wtf is this read

mac: oh haha c'maaaaan look at ow he's just so towny c'mon guys

*ow dies*

mac: aw darn I can't believe me making the god read on ow out of absolutely nowhere got ow killed. damn that's crazy

ow: *hardly exists*

mac: aha look at that ow. top town for sure

ow: *squints eyes at mac*

everyone else: wtf is this read

mac: oh haha c'maaaaan look at ow he's just so towny c'mon guys

*ow dies*

mac: aw darn I can't believe me making the god read on ow out of absolutely nowhere got ow killed. damn that's crazy

Mac was also a proponent of the lynch being w/v while visor was saying v/v

ow: *hardly exists*

mac: aha look at that ow. top town for sure

ow: *squints eyes at mac*

everyone else: wtf is this read

mac: oh haha c'maaaaan look at ow he's just so towny c'mon guys

*ow dies*

mac: aw darn I can't believe me making the god read on ow out of absolutely nowhere got ow killed. damn that's crazy

I could see that.

I was going thru mac's iso to see what his pushes "outside of consensus" were to verify if they matched with ow's, but let me say I hate reading mac's iso. it's so wolfy to me

it makes the most sense if mac is a wolf

he even was saying i was a wolf at eod so it lines up that he would kill OW and then set up a push on me today, or maybe he would leave me for day 3 idk

mac really said he in anti spew rest of the day. sadge

I see you have chosen to be sabi and selected me to be esooa in a retelling of an iconic mafia event

I regret to inform you that I do not know what you are referencing

oh so I am mafia because I townread visor?

I see how that makes sense. I'm outed.

do you really think it's cuz you tr'd visor or perhaps because of how and when you tr'd him? or how lily predicted you'd come into thread to put pressure on her, except you never read the initial posts from the day (obviously since I had to quote them all for you) and did *exactly what was predicted*???

Well all I saw in the comment chain is the part where you quoted me townreading visor and called me an obvious wolf for it which I know isn't true so my primary objective right now is to make you feel really miserable if you do manage to chop me.

ah well I rarely feel bad for wrong chops so feel free to try, but I just spent some more time going through your iso and while there's still a lot of posts/positions/stuff you said that I don't really understand, I still really kinda mindmeld with you on the weird lily/esooa/santy/achro situation so ... I am willing to be more pensive instead of confident in reading you for now

I do sorta like p[laying with my league of legends sometimes

yeah you should do that

or maybe I can still accuse you of things that make you angry for no particular reason since you seem to have no patience for explanation today

@Porscha

Hi, have you seen Mac have this type of erratic reads as a wolf before? I suppose anyone can answer this but you proposed a model of 'mac would do this as wolf' so I was curious to hear what insight you might have.

I think I have arrived at Mac is struggling this game being true as either alignment, so now I am trying to figure out if this is a wolf struggling or a town struggling.

this may be surprising but I haven't seen mac wolf yet

i guess additionally I felt at one point during the day yesterday that he was all over the place and also had a lot of really short and half ass shit posts that just was ........ giving me heebie jeebies. but if his wim is ass then like... idk maybe it's just that I really don't know

I moved my vote back to mac. Time to see if my initial read was correct if I might feel 5% bad for being wrong like mac tried to guilt trip me into doing

Hk townreading here Mac so strongly doesnt make sense

Its cuz he is an idiot-thing

why are you scumreading me?

It isnt a hard sr tbh but it was my initial gut feeling the moment ender flipped town and between the following 2 factors, I have arrived here:
1) cant find town you hard enough
2) I am unable to spend hours on day 2 so far iso'ing everyone and everything to try and push a thread state that says you arent wolf

the last post is my last interaction with mac while i'm at work and he goes over with my vote on him.

Additionally, and I won't spoiler these b/c it's only a couple posts, but there were some posts that are potentially interesting for now...

idk what to think of mac voting HK

Think it's kinda bad too, kinda thought he understood why achro was town reading HK last night and that's why he moved off HK a bit and him going back now just doesn't rly make sense to me

mac wanted HK off at start of day as well. only went to santy to appease you I think. gave up on that and went back to his read on hk

I'm wondering how mac's votes on hk... were meant to be perceived. hk hard shielded mac, but mac did not hard shield him back. do I think wolf hk with wolf mac hard defends mac day 2? is hk town here for just being dead ass wrong without having TMI? do I think hk misreads mac this poorly with sincerity? was mac bussing hk to give him cover? (if this last part were true, it has worked)...

I mean there's still over an hour to go in the game day but people seem dead set on Mac for some reason I don't understand and don't care to go looking for

I really didnt hard shield you during eod 1 for this behavior

HK got on my nerves hard shielding mac, after I had done my best to keep hk from going over the day earlier, when mac was not obv!towning in the slightest.

[Porscha]

Did porscha have any significant alterations with Mac?

Why did you ask this earlier?

probs cuz sabi was going thru player's interactions / arguments with mac earlier. I got you sabi hold up

I was asking because I'm not sure why she did considering she also said she has no doubts on you atm

yeah idk if she was just trying to be thorough or if she had a specific reason to ask about me that she didn't say outright

[Esooa]

Did porscha have any significant alterations with Mac?

Why did you ask this earlier?

probs cuz sabi was going thru player's interactions / arguments with mac earlier. I got you sabi hold up

I was asking because I'm not sure why she did considering she also said she has no doubts on you atm

yeah idk if she was just trying to be thorough or if she had a specific reason to ask about me that she didn't say outright

that is why I asked her lmao

[Esooa]

them sorry

[Porscha]

mac's and hk's handling of each other day 2 might have convinced me best play here today is to flip hk unfortunately. I have too many doubts on his slot looking back at some of those interactions, even if I'm aware it's possible that it points to town hk not having tmi. I feel that if I was able to find mac sufficiently scummy to not bother throwing a defense, it's almost ludacris that HK was not able to find those stepping stones and instead tripped and fell face first into a "MAC IS TOWN OMG" puddle...

[Sabiplz]

Hi I'm back from interview. Have a forty minute bus ride

[Porscha]

them sorry

god i literally did it 3 times in once sentence too. sorry sabi

[Sabiplz]

I think HK kinda has to be mafia based on how I'm reading people.

If Sabi is town the game is probably a lot easier so here's my hypothetical readslist in that context.

Town

Sabi
Porscha
Neon

Lean Town

Achro

Nanook
Jack
Santygrass

Lean Wolf

Esooa or Lily

Wolf

Risiinq
HK

I can't really see town winning this game if HK is town.

Town

Sabi
Porscha
Neon

Lean Town

Achro

Nanook
Jack
Santygrass

Lean Wolf

Esooa or Lily

Wolf

Risiinq
HK

hk is in this list? ^

He wasn't on the other list.

[Porscha]

Hi I'm back from interview. Have a forty minute bus ride

I provide you with yummy iso snax above

[Porscha]

I think HK kinda has to be mafia based on how I'm reading people.

If Sabi is town the game is probably a lot easier so here's my hypothetical readslist in that context.

Town

Sabi
Porscha
Neon

Lean Town

Achro

Nanook
Jack
Santygrass

Lean Wolf

Esooa or Lily

Wolf

Risiinq
HK

I can't really see town winning this game if HK is town.

Town

Sabi
Porscha
Neon

Lean Town

Achro

Nanook
Jack
Santygrass

Lean Wolf

Esooa or Lily

Wolf

Risiinq
HK

hk is in this list? ^

He wasn't on the other list.

yes he wasn't on the other one but i recall you asking why he wasn't on either list. just letting you know he was on this one in case you missed him at the bottom

[Sabiplz]

has anyone here even played with Porscha much?

A handful of games

with her as wolf?

Twice iirc. She's very pockety with me if she's wolf against me. She hasn't this game.

only once you think i haven't been pockety of you? I've pretty much let you slide through on a TR all game with little to no pushback on your slot...

Wasn't the mu game you were wolf, no?

Compared to asmr it hasn't been on my radar

Is this why I'm alive?

[Sabiplz]

Did porscha have any significant alterations with Mac?

Why did you ask this earlier?

probs cuz sabi was going thru player's interactions / arguments with mac earlier. I got you sabi hold up

I was asking because I'm not sure why she did considering she also said she has no doubts on you atm

Because I'm reading macs spew

[Esooa]

went through my iso for day 1? / day 2 regarding mac interactions with me.

► Show Spoiler

I see we are in the mac survived n1 so is mafia part of the game lol

you know normally I would say yes, but this was in fact not brought up once to apply to our reasons to vote you

okay explain then

i have no current problem with visor tbh and i think choosing ender over hk is kinda logical anyways

I have seen nothing disagreeable from Visor and he's far and away my top town.

From someone who normally tunnels me D1 unless I push someone hard this is surprising.

You have pushed outside of consensus towards the same people i have which makes me think you are reading the game from a similar perspective. As the kids say "soul sex".

i have no current problem with visor tbh and i think choosing ender over hk is kinda logical anyways

I have seen nothing disagreeable from Visor and he's far and away my top town.

top town??

Yes very much so.

*yawn* mac kills ow here i'm almost certain

ow: *hardly exists*

mac: aha look at that ow. top town for sure

ow: *squints eyes at mac*

everyone else: wtf is this read

mac: oh haha c'maaaaan look at ow he's just so towny c'mon guys

*ow dies*

mac: aw darn I can't believe me making the god read on ow out of absolutely nowhere got ow killed. damn that's crazy

ow: *hardly exists*

mac: aha look at that ow. top town for sure

ow: *squints eyes at mac*

everyone else: wtf is this read

mac: oh haha c'maaaaan look at ow he's just so towny c'mon guys

*ow dies*

mac: aw darn I can't believe me making the god read on ow out of absolutely nowhere got ow killed. damn that's crazy

Mac was also a proponent of the lynch being w/v while visor was saying v/v

ow: *hardly exists*

mac: aha look at that ow. top town for sure

ow: *squints eyes at mac*

everyone else: wtf is this read

mac: oh haha c'maaaaan look at ow he's just so towny c'mon guys

*ow dies*

mac: aw darn I can't believe me making the god read on ow out of absolutely nowhere got ow killed. damn that's crazy

I could see that.

I was going thru mac's iso to see what his pushes "outside of consensus" were to verify if they matched with ow's, but let me say I hate reading mac's iso. it's so wolfy to me

it makes the most sense if mac is a wolf

he even was saying i was a wolf at eod so it lines up that he would kill OW and then set up a push on me today, or maybe he would leave me for day 3 idk

mac really said he in anti spew rest of the day. sadge

I see you have chosen to be sabi and selected me to be esooa in a retelling of an iconic mafia event

I regret to inform you that I do not know what you are referencing

oh so I am mafia because I townread visor?

I see how that makes sense. I'm outed.

do you really think it's cuz you tr'd visor or perhaps because of how and when you tr'd him? or how lily predicted you'd come into thread to put pressure on her, except you never read the initial posts from the day (obviously since I had to quote them all for you) and did *exactly what was predicted*???

Well all I saw in the comment chain is the part where you quoted me townreading visor and called me an obvious wolf for it which I know isn't true so my primary objective right now is to make you feel really miserable if you do manage to chop me.

ah well I rarely feel bad for wrong chops so feel free to try, but I just spent some more time going through your iso and while there's still a lot of posts/positions/stuff you said that I don't really understand, I still really kinda mindmeld with you on the weird lily/esooa/santy/achro situation so ... I am willing to be more pensive instead of confident in reading you for now

I do sorta like p[laying with my league of legends sometimes

yeah you should do that

or maybe I can still accuse you of things that make you angry for no particular reason since you seem to have no patience for explanation today

@Porscha

Hi, have you seen Mac have this type of erratic reads as a wolf before? I suppose anyone can answer this but you proposed a model of 'mac would do this as wolf' so I was curious to hear what insight you might have.

I think I have arrived at Mac is struggling this game being true as either alignment, so now I am trying to figure out if this is a wolf struggling or a town struggling.

this may be surprising but I haven't seen mac wolf yet

i guess additionally I felt at one point during the day yesterday that he was all over the place and also had a lot of really short and half ass shit posts that just was ........ giving me heebie jeebies. but if his wim is ass then like... idk maybe it's just that I really don't know

I moved my vote back to mac. Time to see if my initial read was correct if I might feel 5% bad for being wrong like mac tried to guilt trip me into doing

Hk townreading here Mac so strongly doesnt make sense

Its cuz he is an idiot-thing

why are you scumreading me?

It isnt a hard sr tbh but it was my initial gut feeling the moment ender flipped town and between the following 2 factors, I have arrived here:
1) cant find town you hard enough
2) I am unable to spend hours on day 2 so far iso'ing everyone and everything to try and push a thread state that says you arent wolf

the last post is my last interaction with mac while i'm at work and he goes over with my vote on him.

Additionally, and I won't spoiler these b/c it's only a couple posts, but there were some posts that are potentially interesting for now...

idk what to think of mac voting HK

Think it's kinda bad too, kinda thought he understood why achro was town reading HK last night and that's why he moved off HK a bit and him going back now just doesn't rly make sense to me

mac wanted HK off at start of day as well. only went to santy to appease you I think. gave up on that and went back to his read on hk

I'm wondering how mac's votes on hk... were meant to be perceived. hk hard shielded mac, but mac did not hard shield him back. do I think wolf hk with wolf mac hard defends mac day 2? is hk town here for just being dead ass wrong without having TMI? do I think hk misreads mac this poorly with sincerity? was mac bussing hk to give him cover? (if this last part were true, it has worked)...

I mean there's still over an hour to go in the game day but people seem dead set on Mac for some reason I don't understand and don't care to go looking for

I really didnt hard shield you during eod 1 for this behavior

HK got on my nerves hard shielding mac, after I had done my best to keep hk from going over the day earlier, when mac was not obv!towning in the slightest.

Why go through your own ISO on it?

[Esooa]

@Sabiplz who are you wolf reading

[Sabiplz]

them sorry

god i literally did it 3 times in once sentence too. sorry sabi

Everytime u misgender a nonbinary person, they cut their hair shorter :'(

[Sabiplz]

I think HK kinda has to be mafia based on how I'm reading people.

If Sabi is town the game is probably a lot easier so here's my hypothetical readslist in that context.

Town

Sabi
Porscha
Neon

Lean Town

Achro

Nanook
Jack
Santygrass

Lean Wolf

Esooa or Lily

Wolf

Risiinq
HK

I can't really see town winning this game if HK is town.

Town

Sabi
Porscha
Neon

Lean Town

Achro

Nanook
Jack
Santygrass

Lean Wolf

Esooa or Lily

Wolf

Risiinq
HK

hk is in this list? ^

He wasn't on the other list.

yes he wasn't on the other one but i recall you asking why he wasn't on either list. just letting you know he was on this one in case you missed him at the bottom

I meant he was on one list and not the other. Sorry I suck at writing

[Esooa]

@Porscha do you think Neon can be a wolf still? And how come?

[Sabiplz]

@Sabiplz who are you wolf reading

Kinda at this point everyone lol

I'm paranoid I have been pocketed/shielding someone.

[Porscha]

has anyone here even played with Porscha much?

A handful of games

with her as wolf?

Twice iirc. She's very pockety with me if she's wolf against me. She hasn't this game.

only once you think i haven't been pockety of you? I've pretty much let you slide through on a TR all game with little to no pushback on your slot...

Wasn't the mu game you were wolf, no?

Compared to asmr it hasn't been on my radar

Is this why I'm alive?

ah haha I think the one game on MU we played *you* were wolf ;p

compared to asmr, you haven't been imploding in ate most of the game so I haven't felt the need to give you extra affirmation in your play.

[Sabiplz]

@Esooa why is neon your highest tr

[Esooa]

@Sabiplz who are you wolf reading

Kinda at this point everyone lol

I'm paranoid I have been pocketed/shielding someone.

You just earlier said you have no doubts on Porscha atm lol

So even besides that you should have at least some inclination, no?

[Sabiplz]

has anyone here even played with Porscha much?

A handful of games

with her as wolf?

Twice iirc. She's very pockety with me if she's wolf against me. She hasn't this game.

only once you think i haven't been pockety of you? I've pretty much let you slide through on a TR all game with little to no pushback on your slot...

Wasn't the mu game you were wolf, no?

Compared to asmr it hasn't been on my radar

Is this why I'm alive?

ah haha I think the one game on MU we played *you* were wolf ;p

compared to asmr, you haven't been imploding in ate most of the game so I haven't felt the need to give you extra affirmation in your play.

It's been two games in a row of mostly controlling my emotions.

Plz give me affirmationz

No I'm talking the you G justice game.

You weren't in mountainous ita. Only Esooa and lily were

[Esooa]

I literally don't remember a single thing about mountainous ITA other than it existed lmao, I couldn't name a single other player in it or who the wolves were

[Sabiplz]

@Sabiplz who are you wolf reading

Kinda at this point everyone lol

I'm paranoid I have been pocketed/shielding someone.

You just earlier said you have no doubts on Porscha atm lol

So even besides that you should have at least some inclination, no?

I mean she's the least I'm paranoid over but I could just be pocketed.

The least confidence I have is neon and tsp

[Esooa]

oh wait Hally was, I know that

[Esooa]

@Sabiplz who are you wolf reading

Kinda at this point everyone lol

I'm paranoid I have been pocketed/shielding someone.

You just earlier said you have no doubts on Porscha atm lol

So even besides that you should have at least some inclination, no?

I mean she's the least I'm paranoid over but I could just be pocketed.

The least confidence I have is neon and tsp

lmao why neon

[Sabiplz]

I literally don't remember a single thing about mountainous ITA other than it existed lmao, I couldn't name a single other player in it or who the wolves were

I was in it, Brad, Alison, spf, etc. That's was lily's first ever forum game. I sr her because lhf and you were livid over that because simp.

Then I had a mental break down

[Esooa]

I literally don't remember a single thing about mountainous ITA other than it existed lmao, I couldn't name a single other player in it or who the wolves were

I was in it, Brad, Alison, spf, etc. That's was lily's first ever forum game. I sr her because lhf and you were livid over that because simp.

Then I had a mental break down

yes, surely the only reason someone would dislike "I scumread her because lhf" is simping