The Syndicate

Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:12 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:37 pm

Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:28 pm Marmot you are the real MVP. I hope we are in the same winning town faction. I would be so happy to win with you.
We are going to solve this game, well you will and I’ll just follow your lead.

I wouldn't go as far as calling myself MVP, but I would love to win with you too.

Let’s fucking go. Which team do you need to die to win?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:04 pm Chop already claimed wolf.

Alsion already claimed slaver and just claimed to be helping Enclave.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:28 pm So I'm just going to stick around in the thread and have a nice nap and hope the mafia don't get killed before they win for me. Best of luck!

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:16 pm But yeah hubologists wanting Alison to slightly scum-side makes sense since they need Epi or LC dead. Unless there's more wastelanders.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:19 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:16 pm But yeah hubologists wanting Alison to slightly scum-side makes sense since they need Epi or LC dead. Unless there's more wastelanders.

There'd have to be 6 Wastelanders/Arroyo left alive and none of them die in order for me to be concerned. I'm not.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:41 pm If Enclave leaves my targets alive then I'm going to intentionally deny them the victory because doing so would risk ending the game with my targets alive, thus making me lose.

Enclave's only hope is to kill my targets for me and pray I am grateful enough to vote with them.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am The Hubologists win the game if the Enclave are eliminated and no more than 50% of the members of the Arroyo and Wastelanders factions combined are left alive.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:51 pm I need 1 person from each enemy faction dead at a minimum. Dom is Arroyo, VC is wiped out. So I need someone from Redding and someone from BOS killed. Epi (who is probably Chosen One/Arroyo) will likely die too in the process, meaning I have 6 dead. 6 is probably 80% of my targets dead.

If mafia doesn't kill Kyle/Redding player then they'll get auto'd by whoever claims Redding (almost certainly only one since no claims so far) and Kyle/Epi as the confirmed towncore.

Therefore Enclave is forced to kill my targets or they get mech locked out of the game by conftown. This is why I outed, I wouldn't otherwise.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:09 pm We could in effect just lose 3 towns over trying to fight over who controls Alison's wincon

and IMO the chances of us losing that fight are much more likely than winning it

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am How the hell does the game end?

1) Enclave destroyed by the end of Night 5 -- all blue, cyan, and soft green factions win. Slaver and Vault City may or may not win pending circumstances.

2) Enclave destroyed, Slaver is dead, and Vault City cannot achieve win condition.

3) Enclave destroyed and Vault City has achieved win condition.

4) Enclave and Vault City are both destroyed.

5) Enclave meets win condition.

6) Any other eventualities, if applicable, are assessed by the host case-by-case and a sensible endgame is determined. No endgame will be allowed featuring only "town" (blue, cyan, and soft green) factions -- if all others are eliminated, regardless of win condition, the game will end. If the game is active, at least one non-"town" player is alive (Slaver, Vault City, and/or Enclave).

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:59 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:23 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:09 pm We could in effect just lose 3 towns over trying to fight over who controls Alison's wincon

and IMO the chances of us losing that fight are much more likely than winning it

Why are you even thinking about fighting to control Alison's wincon, and where are you getting these 3 towns that we could lose?

Alison can wolfside, and she is still less of a threat than any of the actual wolves. If there are 3 Enclave left, yeeting Alison today locks us into an uphill battle where we have to survive for at least 3 more days even if we vote perfectly. Yeeting Chop today reduces the minimum number of yeets we need to make to win. Tomorrow if we really don't have a good lead on another wolf, it might make sense to chop Alison, but Alison is NOT an essential exe, whereas Chop IS an essential exe. Chop also has more utility to the wolves than Alison does (unless she has a shot and Frank does not, but this is an off chance).

Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:25 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am How the hell does the game end?

1) Enclave destroyed by the end of Night 5 -- all blue, cyan, and soft green factions win. Slaver and Vault City may or may not win pending circumstances.

2) Enclave destroyed, Slaver is dead, and Vault City cannot achieve win condition.

3) Enclave destroyed and Vault City has achieved win condition.

4) Enclave and Vault City are both destroyed.

5) Enclave meets win condition.

6) Any other eventualities, if applicable, are assessed by the host case-by-case and a sensible endgame is determined. No endgame will be allowed featuring only "town" (blue, cyan, and soft green) factions -- if all others are eliminated, regardless of win condition, the game will end. If the game is active, at least one non-"town" player is alive (Slaver, Vault City, and/or Enclave).

And what is the enclave win conditions? Does Slaver and vault city (RIP) have to die?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:45 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am The Wastelanders win the game if the Enclave are eliminated and no more than one member of the Vault City and Hubologists factions combined is left alive.

Vault City is dead. Hubologists already lost SPF. If there's more than 1 living Hubologist then this is a problem.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am The NCR wins the game if the Enclave are eliminated and no more than one member of the Vault City and New Reno factions combined is left alive.

There is likely only 1 New Reno left alive, and Vault City is dead.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am The Brotherhood of Steel wins the game if the Enclave are eliminated and no more than one member of the Vault City and Slavers factions combined is left alive.

Vault city is dead, and there's only one slaver.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am Arroyo wins the game if the Enclave are eliminated and no more than one member of the Slavers and Hubologists factions combined is left alive.

There's at least one slaver, and if hubologists exists then they haven't solve their non-enclave wincon until only one of them is alive.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am Redding wins the game if the Enclave are eliminated and no more than one combined between the Slavers faction and Jagged Jimmy J is left alive.

JJJ got modkilled, and there's only one slaver.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am New Reno wins the game if the Enclave are eliminated and no more than one combined between the NCR faction and Jagged Jimmy J is left alive.

Both NCR (likely) and JJJ are dead.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am The Hubologists win the game if the Enclave are eliminated and no more than 50% of the members of the Arroyo and Wastelanders factions combined are left alive.

More than likely 50% of Wastelander/Arroyo have died.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am Jagged Jimmy J wins the game if the Enclave are eliminated and no more than one member of the New Reno and Redding factions combined is left alive.

JJJ is dead so this doesn't really matter unless you think Falcon deserves a win. This probably gets solved if I or Seanzie dies.

Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:16 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:16 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

We can kill Chop Chop tomorrow.

Alison likely has a night-vig. So does Frank Horrigan, potentially. Which means they can do up to 3 kills tonight, and we can save one by deleting them.

Frank should just shoot chop tonight and we vote Alison instead.
This only if don’t believe Alison shot. If she shot then she’s not a threat and frank can shoot a wolfy person like Daisy or poison or one of those people hiding.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:19 pm Grogu is a wolf who tries to hard-core derp-clear repeatedly

or is jut town

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:23 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:09 pm We could in effect just lose 3 towns over trying to fight over who controls Alison's wincon

and IMO the chances of us losing that fight are much more likely than winning it

Why are you even thinking about fighting to control Alison's wincon, and where are you getting these 3 towns that we could lose?

Alison can wolfside, and she is still less of a threat than any of the actual wolves. If there are 3 Enclave left, yeeting Alison today locks us into an uphill battle where we have to survive for at least 3 more days even if we vote perfectly. Yeeting Chop today reduces the minimum number of yeets we need to make to win. Tomorrow if we really don't have a good lead on another wolf, it might make sense to chop Alison, but Alison is NOT an essential exe, whereas Chop IS an essential exe. Chop also has more utility to the wolves than Alison does (unless she has a shot and Frank does not, but this is an off chance).

Chop can long-commuter and he can't carry the kill while doing it. He doesn't really have any utility.

Slaver needs 80% of those that I listed dead, including 1 from each faction. She has to achieve that **before Enclave dies and the game ends**. That's why we can lose up to all of those towns, with the third one (if they kill Kyle + Epi) happening at a LYLO situation and she just scum-sides to yeet you with the enclave.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:33 pm Alison should die today. Then ChopChop.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:39 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:23 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:09 pm We could in effect just lose 3 towns over trying to fight over who controls Alison's wincon

and IMO the chances of us losing that fight are much more likely than winning it

Why are you even thinking about fighting to control Alison's wincon, and where are you getting these 3 towns that we could lose?

Alison can wolfside, and she is still less of a threat than any of the actual wolves. If there are 3 Enclave left, yeeting Alison today locks us into an uphill battle where we have to survive for at least 3 more days even if we vote perfectly. Yeeting Chop today reduces the minimum number of yeets we need to make to win. Tomorrow if we really don't have a good lead on another wolf, it might make sense to chop Alison, but Alison is NOT an essential exe, whereas Chop IS an essential exe. Chop also has more utility to the wolves than Alison does (unless she has a shot and Frank does not, but this is an off chance).

Chop can long-commuter and he can't carry the kill while doing it. He doesn't really have any utility.

Slaver needs 80% of those that I listed dead, including 1 from each faction. She has to achieve that **before Enclave dies and the game ends**. That's why we can lose up to all of those towns, with the third one (if they kill Kyle + Epi) happening at a LYLO situation and she just scum-sides to yeet you with the enclave.

Chop's vote has more utility than Alison's since it can be coordinated in mafiachat. Chop can also read and give suggestions to mafia in mafiachat. Alison's abilities to scumside essentially consist of her having to guess who scum is and then try to vote to mess it up. Alison's vote could accidentally end up breaking a tie and yeeting a wolf, whereas Chop's is essentially guaranteed not to do that.

Yes, Alison could be bad to have around in lylo, but if we don't yeet her, we have one more misexe before lylo than if we do yeet her.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:27 pm We basically never win the manipulation of Alison imo unless we expect Enlcave to be dumb

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:55 pm "But wait, we can just force her to vote"

Yeah right she'll just scum-paint a town and vote there.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:56 pm There's also the issue that Epignosis basically has to kill Marmot (if hubologist) if we never yeet Alison.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:56 pm There's also the issue that Epignosis basically has to kill Marmot (if hubologist) if we never yeet Alison.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:54 pm I mean, unless enclave is going to claim a Redding role you're basically confirmed town

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:10 am Marmot soft CCing Grogu’s soft claim is so weird too