The Syndicate

I want answers to the questions I asked tomorrow. I'm not doing this again.

Something to be mindful of, but which I did not want to slip into the end of day discussion for fear of being a distraction: There is one person here who was bad on Day 0, presumably. It's possible one of the inactive/low-posters is Wily, but even then I find it hard to imagine that Epi would allow the game to proceed to Day 1 with no scum team. That doesn't mean Wily posted at all, but it's not like we were universally unaligned on Day 0. A few people had defined roles, and one of them was bad.

Who is going to take over the world?

Poll ended at Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:03 pmPlease note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

Bullzeye
0
No votes


Voters: None

ColinIsCool
2
10%


Voters: Simon, Jackofhearts2005

DFaraday
0
No votes


Voters: None

Dom
0
No votes


Voters: None

DrWilgy
0
No votes


Voters: None

Elohcin
5
24%


Voters: Quin, Dom, JaggedJimmyJay, Long Con, Sloonei

Infected_alien8_
0
No votes


Voters: None

JackofHearts2005
0
No votes


Voters: None

JaggedJimmyJay
0
No votes


Voters: None

K-Ness
0
No votes


Voters: None

Kylemii
0
No votes


Voters: None

Long Con
0
No votes


Voters: None

Lunalee
0
No votes


Voters: None

MacDougall
1
5%


Voters: Infected_alien8_

Marmot
0
No votes


Voters: None

novaselinenever
2
10%


Voters: ColinIsCool, Lunalee

nutella
1
5%


Voters: Elohcin

Quin
4
19%


Voters: novaselinenever, nutella, Bullzeye, Turnip Head

Simon
0
No votes


Voters: None

Sloonei
1
5%


Voters: MacDougall

speedchuck
0
No votes


Voters: None

Soneji
0
No votes


Voters: None

sprityo
1
5%


Voters: speedchuck

Turnip Head
1
5%


Voters: Marmot

White
0
No votes


Voters: None

Cleveland Browns Man (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
3
14%


Voters: Enrique, Epignosis, M Plus 7


Total votes: 21

That's what the kids would call a "bad result". But it wasn't a bad day, let's pick up the pieces.

Oh wow, that's not good.

Guess I'll go back and see why we lynched Eloh over Quin.

Hot takes on a skim read:

If Quin is town, JJJ is probably town

Quin doesn't feel genuquin though. Everyone wants to lynch him, which is a good sign for his alignment, but I'm just not getting it.

Eloh lynch was, in fact, garbage, and she was lynched for the same reasons she usually gets mislynched.

Nutella feels like she knew too well that the lynch was bad. She had Eloh early, then avoided the splashback.

Coliniscool is the towniest person. I will die on that hill.

People think I'm scum a lot. Actually, I WIN as scum a lot. I've got a bunch of town losses to make up for it.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:50 pm Hot takes on a skim read:

If Quin is town, JJJ is probably town

Quin doesn't feel genuquin though. Everyone wants to lynch him, which is a good sign for his alignment, but I'm just not getting it.

Eloh lynch was, in fact, garbage, and she was lynched for the same reasons she usually gets mislynched.

Nutella feels like she knew too well that the lynch was bad. She had Eloh early, then avoided the splashback.

Coliniscool is the towniest person. I will die on that hill.

People think I'm scum a lot. Actually, I WIN as scum a lot. I've got a bunch of town losses to make up for it.

please explain

also if everyone wanting to lynch me means im town then i dont want to be town anymore it gets stressful yo

I want answers to the two questions I posed as my defence. The accusations being thrown around against me were horse crap and I'm shutting them down now.

What do I stand to gain from a "I'm totally not the recruiter huehuehue" post, and how does it benefit me more than staying silent and avoiding the scrutiny altogether?

Have I ever ridden somebody's coattails in a mafia game? Is that something you think scum Quin would do?

I think I hate 3J for the latter one in particular. I've played too many times with him for him to not know that's not what I'm about. Jack less so.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:50 pm
Nutella feels like she knew too well that the lynch was bad. She had Eloh early, then avoided the splashback.

I get this bullshit a lot. I knew the lynch was hot garbage because it was hot garbage.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:12 pm

Day 1 Has Ended

Elohcin has been lynched.

Spoiler: show

Elohcin was Mega Man.

It is now Night 1. You have 23 hours to submit your PMs.

sup orange g?

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:04 pm I think I hate 3J for the latter one in particular. I've played too many times with him for him to not know that's not what I'm about. Jack less so.

I still have no idea. You asked a really specific question. Don't expect people to know every detail of your strategy, or more accurately your own perception of your strategy.

There's a reason I understand that. My strategy tends to be the most transparent in the world and people still don't get it in any game I play. It's why I have to explain things I find obvious so constantly.

Orange g

The lynch result is a bummer, but it's also highly unlucky if Mega Man is immune to recruitment. That would mean that Eloh really didn't get it, and we were right to accuse her of not getting it -- just not about why.

If Mega Man isn't immume, then Epi's reveal doesn't say what the alignment is anyway. TH is right to point out the orange G too. Dunno what that is, but it might be alignment-suggestive.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:11 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:04 pm I think I hate 3J for the latter one in particular. I've played too many times with him for him to not know that's not what I'm about. Jack less so.

I still have no idea. You asked a really specific question. Don't expect people to know every detail of your strategy, or more accurately your own perception of your strategy.

There's a reason I understand that. My strategy tends to be the most transparent in the world and people still don't get it in any game I play. It's why I have to explain things I find obvious so constantly.

I'm not asking you to know every detail of my strategy. I'm asking you, at it's core, does Quin (in any alignment, actually) sit back and let others do the work? Or does he stick his neck out and embarrass himself in the most awful ways because he wants to make his mark on the game he plays?

If your answer is anything but 'No, Quin gives a damn' then your answer is bull crap. You should know very well my post was a joke. You don't get the leniency Jack had since I'd called it such already. I don't let other people decide what I do.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:18 pm I'm not asking you to know every detail of my strategy. I'm asking you, at it's core, does Quin (in any alignment, actually) sit back and let others do the work? Or does he stick his neck out and embarrass himself in the most awful ways because he wants to make his mark on the game he plays?

I would say that you generally go your own way, but I would not say that you never follow the lead of others -- at least not without spending a lot of time reviewing all of your shit to determine whether an example can be located. That's not a Quin question, it's an everyone question. Everyone does that sometimes, and if you expect me, in a sub-10 minute time space, to give you credit on that basis then you have come to a stupid conclusion.

Generally Quin I would say your biggest struggle as a hunter of bad guys is the way you interpret people's treatment of you. If I had to make a master list of strengths and weaknesses for every player, that'd be your weakness. And don't take it personally, because everyone would have them (certainly myself included), and you wouldn't be the only player for whom I'd assign that specific weakness (hi Epi).

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:21 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:18 pm I'm not asking you to know every detail of my strategy. I'm asking you, at it's core, does Quin (in any alignment, actually) sit back and let others do the work? Or does he stick his neck out and embarrass himself in the most awful ways because he wants to make his mark on the game he plays?

I would say that you generally go your own way, but I would not say that you never follow the lead of others -- at least not without spending a lot of time reviewing all of your shit to determine whether an example can be located. That's not a Quin question, it's an everyone question. Everyone does that sometimes, and if you expect me, in a sub-10 minute time space, to give you credit on that basis then you have come to a stupid conclusion.

I expect it of you because I don't expect you to call me out on such bull in the first place.

We're past EoD. Where do you stand on it now?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:23 pm Generally Quin I would say your biggest struggle as a hunter of bad guys is the way you interpret people's treatment of you. If I had to make a master list of strengths and weaknesses for every player, that'd be your weakness. And don't take it personally, because everyone would have them (certainly myself included), and you wouldn't be the only player for whom I'd assign that specific weakness (hi Epi).

I'm aware of this. I have no idea what it has to do with anything though.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:25 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:23 pm Generally Quin I would say your biggest struggle as a hunter of bad guys is the way you interpret people's treatment of you. If I had to make a master list of strengths and weaknesses for every player, that'd be your weakness. And don't take it personally, because everyone would have them (certainly myself included), and you wouldn't be the only player for whom I'd assign that specific weakness (hi Epi).

I'm aware of this. I have no idea what it has to do with anything though.

You suspect me wrongly for my treatment of you.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:25 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:21 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:18 pm I'm not asking you to know every detail of my strategy. I'm asking you, at it's core, does Quin (in any alignment, actually) sit back and let others do the work? Or does he stick his neck out and embarrass himself in the most awful ways because he wants to make his mark on the game he plays?

I would say that you generally go your own way, but I would not say that you never follow the lead of others -- at least not without spending a lot of time reviewing all of your shit to determine whether an example can be located. That's not a Quin question, it's an everyone question. Everyone does that sometimes, and if you expect me, in a sub-10 minute time space, to give you credit on that basis then you have come to a stupid conclusion.

I expect it of you because I don't expect you to call me out on such bull in the first place.

We're past EoD. Where do you stand on it now?

I think you're wrong about yourself, but I understand why you perceive your play the way you do and lean town on you. I leaned town on you when I moved my vote in the end. You'd be dead otherwise.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:27 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:25 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:23 pm Generally Quin I would say your biggest struggle as a hunter of bad guys is the way you interpret people's treatment of you. If I had to make a master list of strengths and weaknesses for every player, that'd be your weakness. And don't take it personally, because everyone would have them (certainly myself included), and you wouldn't be the only player for whom I'd assign that specific weakness (hi Epi).

I'm aware of this. I have no idea what it has to do with anything though.

You suspect me wrongly for my treatment of you.

I suspect you because you're better than this.

I want everyone to tell me what Elohcin's alignment is, and also why you say so.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:29 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:27 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:25 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:23 pm Generally Quin I would say your biggest struggle as a hunter of bad guys is the way you interpret people's treatment of you. If I had to make a master list of strengths and weaknesses for every player, that'd be your weakness. And don't take it personally, because everyone would have them (certainly myself included), and you wouldn't be the only player for whom I'd assign that specific weakness (hi Epi).

I'm aware of this. I have no idea what it has to do with anything though.

You suspect me wrongly for my treatment of you.

I suspect you because you're better than this.

"You're better than this" implies you think I was acting in a way which fell beneath my likely knowledge and understanding of Quin the Mafia player.

And you're wrong.

Because you're struggling to place yourself in my shoes. Oh well.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:07 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:50 pm
Nutella feels like she knew too well that the lynch was bad. She had Eloh early, then avoided the splashback.

I get this bullshit a lot. I knew the lynch was hot garbage because it was hot garbage.

great, who's bad

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:31 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:29 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:27 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:25 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:23 pm Generally Quin I would say your biggest struggle as a hunter of bad guys is the way you interpret people's treatment of you. If I had to make a master list of strengths and weaknesses for every player, that'd be your weakness. And don't take it personally, because everyone would have them (certainly myself included), and you wouldn't be the only player for whom I'd assign that specific weakness (hi Epi).

I'm aware of this. I have no idea what it has to do with anything though.

You suspect me wrongly for my treatment of you.

I suspect you because you're better than this.

"You're better than this" implies you think I was acting in a way which fell beneath my likely knowledge and understanding of Quin the Mafia player.

And you're wrong.

Because you're struggling to place yourself in my shoes. Oh well.

Very simply, I think we've played together enough that while you may not understand me perfectly, you should know that I give a damn and don't sit on the sidelines while my town reads do the work for me. I feel like your accusation at EoD didn't reflect what I perceive you to understand about me.

I am putting myself in your shoes. I thought you knew me better, that's all. I think you're coming from a genuine place now. I don't know what to think about it right now. Maybe I thought it more annoying than suspicious.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:50 pm Quin doesn't feel genuquin though. Everyone wants to lynch him, which is a good sign for his alignment, but I'm just not getting it.

these sentences confuse me. you don't get why he is a civilian, or why everyone wanting to lynch him is a good sign for him, or why he doesn't feel genuine, or something else?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:50 pmEloh lynch was, in fact, garbage, and she was lynched for the same reasons she usually gets mislynched.

i don't think this is true at all, and i need you to expand

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:50 pm Eloh lynch was, in fact, garbage, and she was lynched for the same reasons she usually gets mislynched.

i went back and counted how many times you mentioned eloh's name prior to her being lynched.

it was pretty easy.

zero

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:30 pm I want everyone to tell me what Elohcin's alignment is, and also why you say so.

Town because her confusion about recruitment was genuine.

also, side-eye at everyone treating this as a mislynch right now when that information has not been revealed, and there's a weird ass dangling orange G

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:36 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:50 pm Quin doesn't feel genuquin though. Everyone wants to lynch him, which is a good sign for his alignment, but I'm just not getting it.

these sentences confuse me. you don't get why he is a civilian, or why everyone wanting to lynch him is a good sign for him, or why he doesn't feel genuine, or something else?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:50 pmEloh lynch was, in fact, garbage, and she was lynched for the same reasons she usually gets mislynched.

i don't think this is true at all, and i need you to expand

I think he's saying the more suspicious I am, the more likely I am to be town. Which is accurate, apparently.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:39 pm also, side-eye at everyone treating this as a mislynch right now when that information has not been revealed, and there's a weird ass dangling orange G

I didn't even notice it, to be fair.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:07 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:50 pm
Nutella feels like she knew too well that the lynch was bad. She had Eloh early, then avoided the splashback.

I get this bullshit a lot. I knew the lynch was hot garbage because it was hot garbage.

great, who's bad

Still sloon. Maybe quin. Maybe speedchuck.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:30 pm I want everyone to tell me what Elohcin's alignment is, and also why you say so.

Town.

The biggest reason I remember being against her was that her read on you was contradictory. I don't see how that was alignment indicative to begin with. She could just as easily have not realised a logic error.

Just making a note that the color code for that G is "FF8000" in case it reveals something in due time

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:43 pm Just making a note that the color code for that G is "FF8000" in case it reveals something in due time

i've verified that none of the "alignments" or groups in the role list match this code

Actually I assumed mega man was a town role, and looking at the op again I think that may be true. He's listed under Light. Also that would explain eloh's recruitment cluelessness.

Jay, were you vocally supportive of a Colin lynch? I could probably just ISO you but whatever

Yeah, definitely town. Wily can only recruit robot masters, who are in grey. Mega Man is not a robot master, he starts on the side of light. Yay for reading!!

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:44 pm Jay, were you vocally supportive of a Colin lynch? I could probably just ISO you but whatever

i was vocally meh on a colin lynch

And I just made Jay look dumb

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:46 pm And I just made Jay look dumb

dude i already said that shit

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:13 pm The lynch result is a bummer, but it's also highly unlucky if Mega Man is immune to recruitment. That would mean that Eloh really didn't get it, and we were right to accuse her of not getting it -- just not about why.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

I said I'd vote for anyone. Why did you stick with Eloh instead of convincing me to move with you to Colin once Jack had moved there? You had a decent enough chance of making it happen. Was I that important to save?

I believe there were a few minutes between Jack moving his vote and EoD.

No, you said something about whether mega man is immune to recruitment, and the stuff I pointed out makes it pretty clear that he is, imo.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:50 pm No, you said something about whether mega man is immune to recruitment, and the stuff I pointed out makes it pretty clear that he is, imo.

u probably think u a g