The Syndicate

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:05 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:48 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:44 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:32 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:18 pm @Kylemii have you read falcon today? has your opinion on how he interacted with you felt the same?

basically nothing has changed. the fact that he's done absolutely nothing with his read reinforces that it's something he doesn't truly believe in. he hasn't followed up on it at all nor has he tried to convince any other people of it's validity, nor has he asked any follow up questions or even voted for me as he would if it was meant as a townie prod.

You're a dum dum head if you don't think me explaining my read on you to several different players isn't proof of my belief in its validity.

Is Kyle dumb or is he mafia?

I belive him to be dumb.

See, Kyle's not dumb.

I belive you to be mafia.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:07 pmI don't play Mafia the same way you do, that's one thing I've learned already.

well keep practicing and someday you could

i apologize for my pride and hubris and accept whatever penance is required

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:07 pmI don't play Mafia the same way you do, that's one thing I've learned already.

actually that's a good question, what would you say is your MO? what do you do to turn your words and actions into victories?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:12 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:07 pmI don't play Mafia the same way you do, that's one thing I've learned already.

well keep practicing and someday you could

Kyle isn't dumb.

Falcon, are you running out of people to accuse or are you running out of reasons to accuse them?

Or is it both?

Epi, can you go a little more in-depth on why you're voting falcon?

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:33 pm Epi, can you go a little more in-depth on why you're voting falcon?

Falcon is the only person I have spoken about with any real suspicion.

So no.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:22 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:07 pmI don't play Mafia the same way you do, that's one thing I've learned already.

actually that's a good question, what would you say is your MO? what do you do to turn your words and actions into victories?

I vote for people I think are scum? Turn your words into action, wtf are you talking about? Are you really giving a high school guidance counselor speech right now?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:25 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:12 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:07 pmI don't play Mafia the same way you do, that's one thing I've learned already.

well keep practicing and someday you could

Kyle isn't dumb.

So when I flip green, you both can wear I'm with stupid shirts

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:34 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:33 pm Epi, can you go a little more in-depth on why you're voting falcon?

Falcon is the only person I have spoken about with any real suspicion.

So no.

And why is that? Is there a reason you're bringing so myopic right now?

...can I get an i'm with stupid shirt too?

I don't think that falcon is mafia. I think his posting style is slightly combative, but I have an easy time following his thought process and understanding the reasoning behind his reads, even if some of the interactions with Guillotine and Kyle are a little silly.

On the other hand, I feel that tedxtr isn't trying to solve the game. When I questioned him on his reasons for voting for LC, he couldn't come up with anything, which is fine if it was a misunderstanding, but he hasn't moved his vote. He also hasn't attempted to push or question anyone else. I get the feeling he is on the defensive due to the pressure on him.
I also didn't love his justification around 3-mana-gate, it felt like the nervous response of someone caught in a lie.

[VOTE: tedextr] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:55 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:22 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:07 pmI don't play Mafia the same way you do, that's one thing I've learned already.

actually that's a good question, what would you say is your MO? what do you do to turn your words and actions into victories?

I vote for people I think are scum? Turn your words into action, wtf are you talking about? Are you really giving a high school guidance counselor speech right now?

what do you personally do to find mafia? aside from just voting lol. how do you go about scumhunting

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:12 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:07 pmI don't play Mafia the same way you do, that's one thing I've learned already.

well keep practicing and someday you could

Pop quiz!

What is Falcon's single scummiest post?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:02 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:55 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:22 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:07 pmI don't play Mafia the same way you do, that's one thing I've learned already.

actually that's a good question, what would you say is your MO? what do you do to turn your words and actions into victories?

I vote for people I think are scum? Turn your words into action, wtf are you talking about? Are you really giving a high school guidance counselor speech right now?

what do you personally do to find mafia? aside from just voting lol. how do you go about scumhunting

I shake the tree with sassy comments, make pushes where I see inconsistencies, and gut reads

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:33 pm Epi, can you go a little more in-depth on why you're voting falcon?

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:01 am I don't think that falcon is mafia. I think his posting style is slightly combative, but I have an easy time following his thought process and understanding the reasoning behind his reads, even if some of the interactions with Guillotine and Kyle are a little silly.

On the other hand, I feel that tedxtr isn't trying to solve the game. When I questioned him on his reasons for voting for LC, he couldn't come up with anything, which is fine if it was a misunderstanding, but he hasn't moved his vote. He also hasn't attempted to push or question anyone else. I get the feeling he is on the defensive due to the pressure on him.
I also didn't love his justification around 3-mana-gate, it felt like the nervous response of someone caught in a lie.

[VOTE: tedextr] aubergine

What do you make of his read on me?

Oh, and I'll take your read on me while you're at it.

You all fail.

i'm basically still perpkexed by how my day 0 jokes about copyright infringement and the coastal wizards poor color choice could create chaos or even more importantly why it would even be alignment indicative if it did

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:07 am You all fail.

Oh were we being timed?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:07 am You all fail.

which one were you getting at

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:07 am i'm basically still perpkexed by how my day 0 jokes about copyright infringement and the coastal wizards poor color choice could create chaos or even more importantly why it would even be alignment indicative if it did

Me too Kyle

epi is sus for trying to pocket me, whipsering sweet nothings into my ear like i won't notice. i see you, hoolignan.

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:25 am

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:20 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:13 am dunia is also town. This game is getting easy.

Who else needs solving?

I don't recall seeing marmot usually be this confident. Is this scummy for him?

Not to be a party pooper, but I don't think mommy wants us doing this sort of thing.

what does this mean?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:17 am

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:25 am

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:20 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:13 am dunia is also town. This game is getting easy.

Who else needs solving?

I don't recall seeing marmot usually be this confident. Is this scummy for him?

Not to be a party pooper, but I don't think mommy wants us doing this sort of thing.

what does this mean?

Oh yeah, I forgot about this. Who's mommy?

i mean 'mommy' is probably tutuu, from context clues i think she's adopted everyone at least once

but what doesn't she allow

100 posts lasts a lot longer than i expected i was sort of worried

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:20 am i mean 'mommy' is probably tutuu, from context clues i think she's adopted everyone at least once

That's what I thought too, but dunya and I are shielding each other to the death, so I wondered if that was the reference here.

The nice thing about only counting votes in the thread is that we can do things like this:

[VOTE: t̶̨̧̨̡͉̳̝̙̺̭̟̩̮͉̭̳̞͈̩̝͓͎̯͇̭̲̬͉̩̪̤͙̦̖̭͇͈͚̠̬̯̮̞͍̰̱̯͐̋͂͑̎͆̃͂̌̎̃̓́́͗̑̉͘͘̚͜͝͝ư̶̡̡͖͎͈̯̻̘͇̣̩̰̲͖̻̙̖̟͕̰̥͙͍̻̲̺̪̺͎͉͎̥̣̭̫̙̘͓̭̟̣̼̯͍̮̻̤̟͚͎͖͎̆̒̊͐͆͋̅͆́̽̊͆̾̐̊̾̾͒͗͌̊̃͛̎́̚̚͘̕͜͜͠͝ͅt̷̨̨͓̜̙̞̙̺̹̣̬͕̺͎͌̊̓̀̅͛̓ų̵̨̢̢̨̛̛͖͖̻͕̳͓͓̝̮̥̙̞̣͓͈̘͙̝̪͔̹͕̺͕̳̺̟̺͚̱̬͎͔͚͈̻̫̯̺̟͙̞͇̦͑̍̓͋̃̈́̈̑͊̾͗̐̄͐͌̂͗͘͜͜ͅͅư̵̧̡̢̦̤̺͚̬̩̞̣̝̙̗͚̳̤̝̬̘̟̟̻͇͇̱̺̯͇̟̪̫͖̮͈̏̾̀̓͆͂̐̇̅̏͋̇͆͒̌̿̒̀̓̒͒̈́̒́̓̔͒̊̃̒̌̽͒̂͌͋̓̓͐̈́̌̋̅̽̕̕͜͝͝͠͠͝] aubergine

Jack is mafia for leaving us hanging like that

i can't even tell what his view of falcon is

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:17 pm Tutuu said that mafia each have compatible fake claims, so those fake claims probably line up with a regular town claim down to the number of lands and ability types.

Interesting.

[VOTE: TED] aubergine

K i’m gonna claim later

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:04 am

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:33 pm Epi, can you go a little more in-depth on why you're voting falcon?

Why is this confusing?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:05 am

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:01 am I don't think that falcon is mafia. I think his posting style is slightly combative, but I have an easy time following his thought process and understanding the reasoning behind his reads, even if some of the interactions with Guillotine and Kyle are a little silly.

On the other hand, I feel that tedxtr isn't trying to solve the game. When I questioned him on his reasons for voting for LC, he couldn't come up with anything, which is fine if it was a misunderstanding, but he hasn't moved his vote. He also hasn't attempted to push or question anyone else. I get the feeling he is on the defensive due to the pressure on him.
I also didn't love his justification around 3-mana-gate, it felt like the nervous response of someone caught in a lie.

[VOTE: tedextr] aubergine

What do you make of his read on me?

Of falcon's read on you? I think it's fine. The reasoning is a little shaky but it's fine enough to justify a d1 vote.
I don't have a town read on you, if that's what you're expecting. I don't think you've done anything that's not easily done as scum. If anything, I think you're trying too hard to appear comfortable.

where tf does it say “all of your lands tap at the same time?”

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:17 am

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:25 am

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:20 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:13 am dunia is also town. This game is getting easy.

Who else needs solving?

I don't recall seeing marmot usually be this confident. Is this scummy for him?

Not to be a party pooper, but I don't think mommy wants us doing this sort of thing.

what does this mean?

tutuu is mommy. I was referring to this:

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:38 pm Sportsmanlike rule: If you are town, try to be mindful of how much trust tells ruin deception games like Mafia. If you want to express a lot of frustration at someone, your first instinct should be "If I was Mafia in this position and if I was a liar, would I feel uncomfortable faking all of this frustration I am about to express?"
If the answer is yes, you should not make that post as town. If the answer is no - go ahead.
In a similar veins please don't abuse trust tells that skew the winrate into only one of the alignment (for instance "I never bus as wolf" or "I would never kill a newcomer n1 on the Syndicate" < that one gives u a dirty townread imo). The most common trust tell is ("I'm more rude as town than as Mafia").
Please be empathic towards your opposing team, Mafia is a competitive game!

Seems like the spirit of the rule is to avoid things like meta tells. I could just be reading too much into it though.

oh... i didn't see that. that's confusing. so we should avoid discussing meta altogether if we want to ?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:20 am where tf does it say “all of your lands tap at the same time?”

I don't think it does, but everywhere she refers to tapping lands she does it like that - in the plural "lands".

lol @ saying it’s hard to believe “i can’t get the core mechanic of the game” when it’s not even mentioned

typical stuff

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:24 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:20 am where tf does it say “all of your lands tap at the same time?”

I don't think it does, but everywhere she refers to tapping lands she does it like that - in the plural "lands".

and this should’ve been so obvious to me, right?

i don’t get the incredulousness at my explanation, hk maybe i get because it seems like he doesn’t care at all regardless of his alignment

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:24 am oh... i didn't see that. that's confusing. so we should avoid discussing meta altogether if we want to ?

I probably won't be discussing meta, but that's probably a lot easier for me since I have almost no experience with any of you.

and when you don’t have any reason to call me scum anymore, you go for the “he doesn’t solve”

when i’ve made an early post on hk (probably among the few reads someone has attempted at that point) + voting LC even if i changed my mind

maybe i'm not understanding it, i don't think she's saying to avoid meta altogether just like... stuff like "i always do ___ in this alignment"

so saying like "marmot is frequently more confident as town than mafia" would be fine since being confident is something that marmot would be capable of faking. i... think.

i think i don't really get it

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:26 am

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:24 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:20 am where tf does it say “all of your lands tap at the same time?”

I don't think it does, but everywhere she refers to tapping lands she does it like that - in the plural "lands".

and this should’ve been so obvious to me, right?

i don’t get the incredulousness at my explanation, hk maybe i get because it seems like he doesn’t care at all regardless of his alignment

I don't know, it was obvious to me when I looked at my role, even before I read the setup. That might be because I've played mtg and know how the tapping mechanic works, but either way it's really difficult to put myself in your shoes since it did seem very obvious from the outset that all lands can be tapped at once.
And I'm not incredulous. I did take a look at the game you linked and I believe your explanation to a point, I just think you appeared nervous when you were questioned about it.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:27 am and when you don’t have any reason to call me scum anymore, you go for the “he doesn’t solve”

when i’ve made an early post on hk (probably among the few reads someone has attempted at that point) + voting LC even if i changed my mind

"He doesn't solve" is a legitimate reason to call someone scum though...
You made one post on hk and never followed up on it, you voted LC and when I asked you about it you couldn't even quote which post you supposedly misinterpreted! I don't understand how that happens.
At this point, who do you think is mafia, and why?

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:18 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:04 am

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:33 pm Epi, can you go a little more in-depth on why you're voting falcon?

Why is this confusing?

I noticed that you think falcon is town because you "have an easy time following his thought process and understanding the reasoning behind his reads".

I thought Epi was pretty clear about why he was voting for falcon, but you asked him to go in depth on it.



I disagree with your with your read on falcon, and I found the difference here noticeable enough to comment on.