The Syndicate

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:04 pm I apologise if you were offended. It was a bit flippant of a respond based on the fact that your math is clearly off as 50% the same is not exactly the same.

You could be amazing at math. In this case you were wrong, but idk for your RL.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:49 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:10 pm Roxy/Splints/Dennis

Bet.

I may or may not be serious. You decide.

I think this is highly unlikely.

Went is it unlikely?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:38 pm [VOTE: dennis] aubergine for fun

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:15 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:49 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:10 pm Roxy/Splints/Dennis

Bet.

I may or may not be serious. You decide.

I think this is highly unlikely.

Went is it unlikely?

There is an average of 2.345 town in that group.

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:26 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:38 pm [VOTE: dennis] aubergine for fun

??

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:12 pm What happens with ties this game

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:00 am

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:31 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:24 pm (Lemon, get it)

sorry, just a pet peeve of mine
and I actually do think it's scum-indicative for someone to scumread me while not bothering to read my posts in full so it's just going to stay there for now

idk I'll sleep on it

I mean, you thought it was scum indicative of me to sr you and I've gone out of my way to quote the exact posts I have error with so...

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:51 pm We really gonna kill the new guy for no real reason eh?

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:22 am Dennis - feels ok
DrWilgy - feels off but yet still ok
splints - feels off since the start off this day
Epignosis - feels ? but I am extremely unsure
falcon45ca - feels ok
Lemon - feels ok
Neon - is bad
SixStrings - is probs bad
Matahari - feels ok but I am unsure
Seanzie - feels ok

so for me Neon, Six, and splints, Epi

I am having a heller Monday with lots of meeting, one firing and a shit ton of paperwork. I'll try to be around when I can.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:48 am

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 10:53 pm oh I forgot to post my list but I was at:

Roxy
Seanzie

Dennis
fingersplints
Matahari

falcon
SixStrings

Epignosis
DrWilgy
Neon

I'm kind of wavering a bit now though and not as sure as I was before on some people

Why am I so high?

SixStrings wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 9:39 pm My read list ...

Likely town
Seanzie
Roxy
fingersplints
Neon

Town leaning
Dennis
DrWilgy

Wolf leaning
Epignosis
falcon45ca
Matahari
Lemonfairy

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:47 pm I was about to vote Lemon and was kinda on board with that

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:51 pm We really gonna kill the new guy for no real reason eh?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:53 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:51 pm We really gonna kill the new guy for no real reason eh?

I mean, I don't have a real reason to delay at this point. There's not enough data to read them.

I really don't know how to interpret their behavior. It feels like well, just unsure, but neither unsure W or unsure T and idk how we'd get there.

I agree with you Roxy's read list is bad and think I could comfortably vote there.

I do not like that you are self voting tbh.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:53 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:51 pm We really gonna kill the new guy for no real reason eh?

I mean, I don't have a real reason to delay at this point. There's not enough data to read them.

I really don't know how to interpret their behavior. It feels like well, just unsure, but neither unsure W or unsure T and idk how we'd get there.

I agree with you Roxy's read list is bad and think I could comfortably vote there.

I do not like that you are self voting tbh.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:56 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:22 am Dennis - feels ok
DrWilgy - feels off but yet still ok
splints - feels off since the start off this day
Epignosis - feels ? but I am extremely unsure
falcon45ca - feels ok
Lemon - feels ok
Neon - is bad
SixStrings - is probs bad
Matahari - feels ok but I am unsure
Seanzie - feels ok

so for me Neon, Six, and splints, Epi

I am having a heller Monday with lots of meeting, one firing and a shit ton of paperwork. I'll try to be around when I can.

I'm legitimately unsure as to what deems Falcon as ok and Mata as ok but Six as probs bad.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:59 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:51 pm We really gonna kill the new guy for no real reason eh?

He doesn’t have any votes at this point, and to me his posting seems different from mafia. Which is mostly vibes, so. It a great reason, but also not no reason.

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:59 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 9:42 pm There was some interactions more towards the end of D1 Dennis that looked like T Dennis. Either this is true or W Dennis has gotten better at faking reads.

Seanzie feels within his town range, He's kinda been doing middling work, especially how they've been re Epi and I associate that with his town play. During a recent game where I was misyeeted, Seanzie went hard for my push and was just unrelenting. I'd expect to see more behavior akin to that if W.

Neon's frustration during the SVS thing I still tl. I don't think W Neon tries to push the same point over and over, I think W Neon moves on.

like this post I pulled at random Wigly your thoughts read to me like:

Dennis could be TDennis
but he could have gotten better at his reads and be WDennis.

Seanzie town range but only doing middling work
but let me explain his wolf work too.

Neon Frustrated town
but WNeon would never do this
(even tho she did the exact same thing to me last game and with you TNeon'ed her then too lol)


Forced it's like I have to give reads otherwise people will wonder if I am bad so I will force some reads and ride that fence.

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:12 pm actually no, Wilgy's explanations is probably still fine

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:23 am Wilgy has always been a sort of easy read for me (actually I've never played with his as mafia. I'm terrified now) and nothing is out of line. He did his little wagonomics thing too which I always like from him. Kinda underwhelming for the top group I know but it is what it is

Epi v seanzie read like a difference check to me. Maybe I'm too quick to call something that isn't w/w a difference check but I do think there's a wolf in there. In their argument epi held his cool while seanzie wasn't really consistent, and backtracked on his epi townread as soon as he got pushed

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:10 pm PoE today Sean, Mata, six, neon

I got natural wariness of Epi. Also niggling things about lemon and dennis.

Everyone else is town leaning atm

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:46 pm Apologies for this very wordy post, why use 3 words when you can use at least 7? Also, I know absolutely nothing at this point, so you’re about to get a sample of how my scatterbrain works.
Probably Town: Roxy
Surface Town: Dennis, Wilgy, Epig
PoE: everyone else

This is not terribly helpful so I’ll use another method- who would kill SVS on night 1? She is brilliant as either affiliation and so is Epig and Wilgy. So why choose SVS? If it was because the mafia figured she would read them, then I would suspect one/some of Epig, Wilgy, splints, and maybe Dennis or Six.
If it was because SVS had not suspected them yet, or had backed off of them, then nearly everyone ??? This one makes me look a bit harder at Neon and Lemon.
Neon is not playing the way she played in her town games that I have seen, which I said before-3 Town games is not much to go on. But it’s all I have to work with so I’m not going to ignore it. I would have to add Falcon in here also. I don’t think he’s playing the same as the only 3 games I’ve seen him in (he was Town in those games)
Now, here I go with my not-so-deep thoughts that will probably mean nothing, but it’s my process.

What if neon and Lemonfairy keep voting each other without even trying to persuade the town of why they think the other is wolf? Does this feel like bold distancing, or is this just how some people play? Does it mean something or nothing? I find it suspicious, and would appreciate feedback if anyone has any thoughts on this.

The players I’m most worried about are Falcon, Splints, Neon, and worried (but a little less) are Lemonfairy, Seanzie, Six.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:02 pm [VOTE: SixStrings] aubergine

SixStrings wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:26 pm [VOTE: Lemonfairy] aubergine
Based primarily on the last day of comments from Dr Wilgy and Epi, I feel their interactions with Lemonfairy cast enough suspicion for my vote.

SixStrings wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:30 pm

SixStrings wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:26 pm [VOTE: Lemonfairy] aubergine
Based primarily on the last day of comments from Dr Wilgy and Epi, I feel their interactions with Lemonfairy cast enough suspicion for my vote.

This of course is subject to change, and I realize that it also does not help with any consensus as we have all voted for different people so far.

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:38 pm @Lemonfairy what say you on Neon, please

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:44 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:18 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:59 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 9:42 pm There was some interactions more towards the end of D1 Dennis that looked like T Dennis. Either this is true or W Dennis has gotten better at faking reads.

Seanzie feels within his town range, He's kinda been doing middling work, especially how they've been re Epi and I associate that with his town play. During a recent game where I was misyeeted, Seanzie went hard for my push and was just unrelenting. I'd expect to see more behavior akin to that if W.

Neon's frustration during the SVS thing I still tl. I don't think W Neon tries to push the same point over and over, I think W Neon moves on.

like this post I pulled at random Wigly your thoughts read to me like:

Dennis could be TDennis
but he could have gotten better at his reads and be WDennis.

Seanzie town range but only doing middling work
but let me explain his wolf work too.

Neon Frustrated town
but WNeon would never do this
(even tho she did the exact same thing to me last game and with you TNeon'ed her then too lol)


Forced it's like I have to give reads otherwise people will wonder if I am bad so I will force some reads and ride that fence.

So you say I'm hedging? Because that doesn't make sense. Lemon asked as to why I TR these people, so I explained.

Dennis seems solidly within his t meta as I iterated and I'm only wrong if they've stepped up their W game by a large margin.

Should I not use meta to explain a meta read on Seanzie? Especially when Lemon may not have the context?

I'll reread Neon from last game and compare. I mostly stopped paying attention after I was murderified.

Spoiler it's literally not the same

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:45 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:31 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:05 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 10:26 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 9:09 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:32 am Wow a lot of my saved posts were fluff

I guess everything important was in that first post

wait, Dennis
can you post a reads list for me pls and ty

Not gonna lie I didn't really think much before and Neon is lower than I said when I answered seanzie, but not my first chop

They're not ordered within groups

Lemonfairy
Roxy
DrWilgy

fingersplints
Epignosis
falcon45ca

Neon
SixStrings
Matahari

Seanzie

Dennis are you howlin?

Nyope that's cringe

Weird cause like your treatment of me these past 2 pages is super woofy

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:21 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:10 pm PoE today Sean, Mata, six, neon

I got natural wariness of Epi. Also niggling things about lemon and dennis.

Everyone else is town leaning atm

hmmmm
why Sean and Mata?

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:32 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:44 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:18 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:59 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 9:42 pm There was some interactions more towards the end of D1 Dennis that looked like T Dennis. Either this is true or W Dennis has gotten better at faking reads.

Seanzie feels within his town range, He's kinda been doing middling work, especially how they've been re Epi and I associate that with his town play. During a recent game where I was misyeeted, Seanzie went hard for my push and was just unrelenting. I'd expect to see more behavior akin to that if W.

Neon's frustration during the SVS thing I still tl. I don't think W Neon tries to push the same point over and over, I think W Neon moves on.

like this post I pulled at random Wigly your thoughts read to me like:

Dennis could be TDennis
but he could have gotten better at his reads and be WDennis.

Seanzie town range but only doing middling work
but let me explain his wolf work too.

Neon Frustrated town
but WNeon would never do this
(even tho she did the exact same thing to me last game and with you TNeon'ed her then too lol)


Forced it's like I have to give reads otherwise people will wonder if I am bad so I will force some reads and ride that fence.

So you say I'm hedging? Because that doesn't make sense. Lemon asked as to why I TR these people, so I explained.

Dennis seems solidly within his t meta as I iterated and I'm only wrong if they've stepped up their W game by a large margin.

Should I not use meta to explain a meta read on Seanzie? Especially when Lemon may not have the context?

I'll reread Neon from last game and compare. I mostly stopped paying attention after I was murderified.

Spoiler it's literally not the same

can you list like 5 differences?
iirc you said you could list a gazillion

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:28 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:02 pm [VOTE: SixStrings] aubergine

why?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:05 pm I wanted to see how he responded