The Syndicate

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:11 am [VOTE: Schiavetto] aubergine

You know how frustrating it is to say “we need to kill Schia because they’re obviously a player and obviously mafia” and have nobody listen, but then the moment you exit their wagon that’s when everybody decided to vote them?

Anyways

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:14 am

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:11 am [VOTE: Schiavetto] aubergine

You know how frustrating it is to say “we need to kill Schia because they’re obviously a player and obviously mafia” and have nobody listen, but then the moment you exit their wagon that’s when everybody decided to vote them?

Anyways

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:16 am Jack have you paid attention to any of my posts the last two days as I continually advocated for killing Schia and explained exactly why I think they’re a player?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:38 am A single top wagon will not give us any info in the next day, so the focus on Schia is not in town's benefit.

Lumi wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:09 am Day 7 Vote Count
SoD: #7749 EoD: #0

schiavetto (5): Lumi (37), Manny (57), DeeZees (6), DrWilgy (7), Hally (98)
Not Voting (3): MacDougall (3), Jackofhearts2005 (17), ilario (10)
nanookthegreatandfearsome (2): Ricochet (5), pyxxy (8)
neon (2): Michelle (86), NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (10)
unvote (1): Inawordyes (40)
deezees (1): Neon (65)
michelle (1): Porscha (2)

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:41 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:38 am A single top wagon will not give us any info in the next day, so the focus on Schia is not in town's benefit.

I agree, but how do you convince ones like Hally to keep searching when they’ve resigned themselves to autopiloting the chop and doing little-to-nothing else?

More importantly, where should our focus be (if not our votes) right now, IYO?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:47 am

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:41 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:38 am A single top wagon will not give us any info in the next day, so the focus on Schia is not in town's benefit.

I agree, but how do you convince ones like Hally to keep searching when they’ve resigned themselves to autopiloting the chop and doing little-to-nothing else?

More importantly, where should our focus be (if not our votes) right now, IYO?

Everything is in Vivax's Iso and D1 interactions, plus the way Vivax' wagon grew and existed, CWs, etc.

It's a lot of work and i hoped I could do it but my play time was too short. Besides, if town wants to wait for the NPCs flips, there is nothing I can do alone

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:40 am

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:16 am Jack have you paid attention to any of my posts the last two days as I continually advocated for killing Schia and explained exactly why I think they’re a player?

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:50 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:47 am

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:41 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:38 am A single top wagon will not give us any info in the next day, so the focus on Schia is not in town's benefit.

I agree, but how do you convince ones like Hally to keep searching when they’ve resigned themselves to autopiloting the chop and doing little-to-nothing else?

More importantly, where should our focus be (if not our votes) right now, IYO?

Everything is in Vivax's Iso and D1 interactions, plus the way Vivax' wagon grew and existed, CWs, etc.

It's a lot of work and i hoped I could do it but my play time was too short. Besides, if town wants to wait for the NPCs flips, there is nothing I can do alone

I’m at work and on my phone so my ability is limited, but we have like 8 hours, we have time so if we can tag-team and take parts and meet in the middle so to speak

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:51 am

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:50 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:47 am

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:41 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:38 am A single top wagon will not give us any info in the next day, so the focus on Schia is not in town's benefit.

I agree, but how do you convince ones like Hally to keep searching when they’ve resigned themselves to autopiloting the chop and doing little-to-nothing else?

More importantly, where should our focus be (if not our votes) right now, IYO?

Everything is in Vivax's Iso and D1 interactions, plus the way Vivax' wagon grew and existed, CWs, etc.

It's a lot of work and i hoped I could do it but my play time was too short. Besides, if town wants to wait for the NPCs flips, there is nothing I can do alone

I’m at work and on my phone so my ability is limited, but we have like 8 hours, we have time so if we can tag-team and take parts and meet in the middle so to speak

When you finish the work day?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:50 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:40 am

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:16 am Jack have you paid attention to any of my posts the last two days as I continually advocated for killing Schia and explained exactly why I think they’re a player?

Jack say something useful for the game, like for eg what's your Poe, or anything you can share

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:51 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:03 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:55 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:46 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:59 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:15 am

Manny wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:57 am

I think if you are town you are gonna get misslynched eventually, might aswell get it over with it quicker. If you are scum its a W, i also dont remember anything pro-town or townie u've done this game so not like i seem much reason for u to *not* be scum

I'm not gonna lay over and die because my misexe is game losing.

And if you are all so blinded by my activity and can't look at my play and let me show you my town than that's on you not me.

Town has been wrong on people who were not participating being woofs *coughfalconcough* so like maybe work with me.

This quote here I think is a good example of the issues I have with Neon. The impetus is not on us to ‘let you show us your town’, that falls entirely upon you. The more you defend yourself instead of moving past it - and then blaming everybody else for you getting defensive as if it’s our fault that you’re staying in that space - the longer you delay this supposed revelation, which only causes people to scumread you harder and assumedly you also get even more defensive

Nah fam the impetus is on you to actually have an open mind and frankly nobody does and nothing I do will be good enough.

I'll defend myself all I want it's fucking bullshit that everyone is acting like defending yourself makes you less towny lol. You can kill me and flip another town and than blame me for it post game.

No, Mafia is an “everybody is guilty until proven innocent” game, and the only way you’re proven innocent is when you’re dead, mechanically confirmed, or the game ends. Everybody is a suspect, everybody gets pushed and poked and prodded, and everybody has to pull their own weight or they’re going to get more sus, more pushes, more pokes, and more prods

I don’t care that you defend yourself, we all do. But all you’ve done today so far is defend yourself and then complain that you’re being pushed. See beyond your own walls, take a step back, stop focusing on yourself and being indignant about being pushed at, and move yourself out of this corner you’re backed into

Like Hally said, there’s plenty that’s gone on just today, but there’s also plenty that’s gone on on the game in general. Look into literally anything and give your thoughts, who cares what anybody else thinks about you? If you’re town, what we think doesn’t matter, so move on, ignore the complaints, and change the prevailing winds

If you’re not town, by all means continue to dig this hole. You’ll be the one lying 6 feet under in it at EoD. The choice is yours

I disagree with this on so many levels

Good

Do something about it then

Lumi wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:09 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:05 pmHi Lumi

Hi Neon

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:58 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:50 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:40 am

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:16 am Jack have you paid attention to any of my posts the last two days as I continually advocated for killing Schia and explained exactly why I think they’re a player?

Jack say something useful for the game, like for eg what's your Poe, or anything you can share

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:03 pm arogame123
c4e5g3d5
Chelsea
Creature
DeeZees
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
EnderWiggin
falcon
Fext
G-Man
Golden the Coward
Guillotine
Hally
hollowkat
iaafr
ilario
Inawordyes
Jackofhearts
JaggedJimmyJay
katze
Lilypetal
Lucy
Lumi
Manny
Marmot
Michelle
Nanook
Neon
nutella
Porscha
pyxxy
Ranmilla
Ricochet
risiinq-
Rondo
Sabiplz
santygrass
Schiavetto
Scotty
Seanzie
SilverKeith
Sloonei
sprityo
TonyStarkPrime
tutuu
Vivax
WindwardAway

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 12:13 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:51 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:03 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:55 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:46 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:59 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:15 am

I'm not gonna lay over and die because my misexe is game losing.

And if you are all so blinded by my activity and can't look at my play and let me show you my town than that's on you not me.

Town has been wrong on people who were not participating being woofs *coughfalconcough* so like maybe work with me.

This quote here I think is a good example of the issues I have with Neon. The impetus is not on us to ‘let you show us your town’, that falls entirely upon you. The more you defend yourself instead of moving past it - and then blaming everybody else for you getting defensive as if it’s our fault that you’re staying in that space - the longer you delay this supposed revelation, which only causes people to scumread you harder and assumedly you also get even more defensive

Nah fam the impetus is on you to actually have an open mind and frankly nobody does and nothing I do will be good enough.

I'll defend myself all I want it's fucking bullshit that everyone is acting like defending yourself makes you less towny lol. You can kill me and flip another town and than blame me for it post game.

No, Mafia is an “everybody is guilty until proven innocent” game, and the only way you’re proven innocent is when you’re dead, mechanically confirmed, or the game ends. Everybody is a suspect, everybody gets pushed and poked and prodded, and everybody has to pull their own weight or they’re going to get more sus, more pushes, more pokes, and more prods

I don’t care that you defend yourself, we all do. But all you’ve done today so far is defend yourself and then complain that you’re being pushed. See beyond your own walls, take a step back, stop focusing on yourself and being indignant about being pushed at, and move yourself out of this corner you’re backed into

Like Hally said, there’s plenty that’s gone on just today, but there’s also plenty that’s gone on on the game in general. Look into literally anything and give your thoughts, who cares what anybody else thinks about you? If you’re town, what we think doesn’t matter, so move on, ignore the complaints, and change the prevailing winds

If you’re not town, by all means continue to dig this hole. You’ll be the one lying 6 feet under in it at EoD. The choice is yours

I disagree with this on so many levels

Good

Do something about it then

No

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:49 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:35 pm But I dunno, this is a new meta. Maybe playersolving is what we should be doing. My first instinct was not to (publicly)

light agree here tbh, probs more to be gained airing it out than keeping playersolves close to chest

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 12:24 pm You want people to stop pushing you so that you can solve the game. The pushes have paused, and you’ve done nothing both before and especially after to solve. When specifically given the green light to do so, you outright refuse

And you either genuinely lack the self-awareness to understand that you are in this mess because of your inaction, or you’re purposefully playing it up to AtE people out of wanting to interact with your slot

Regardless, you cannot come into this game, do nothing, complain about other people not liking that you’re doing nothing, play the victim and tell people to stop complaining about you so you can do something, continue to do nothing once others stop complaining, and then straight-up refuse to do anything at all. That is actively, knowingly, and intentionally playing against town’s interests and town’s wincon, and that is not something or someone that can or should remain in the game

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 12:45 pm Sometime around the 400 or 500th time someone insulted my play this game I stopped caring lol.

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:59 pm "Man becomes aware of the postcap because it manifests itself, shows itself, as something wholly different from the Profane."
-Mircea Eliade, Aphorisms on Slanking

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:24 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:22 pm Does anybody have the vote count?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:25 pm [VOTE: arogame] aubergine


Chelsea (7): iaafr, Hally, Scotty, Golden, Neon, tutuu, ilario
Golden (4): DeeZees, Creature, Dyslexicon, G-Man
Risiinq~ (3): EnderWiggin, RondoDimBuckle, Ranmilia
Master Radishes (2): Sloonei, sprityo
JaggedJimmyJay (2): Jackofhearts2005, hollowkatt
Guillotine (2) : Santygrass, Sabiplz
EnderWiggin (1): c4e5g3d5
Sloonei (1): pyxxy
hollowkatt (1): Guillotine
arogame123 (1): nutella



arogame, risiinq, chelsea, rondo are all votes I endorse rn

last valid, p sure

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:27 pm the chels wagon is like, objectively funny to me & i'm of the opinion that people should stay there no matter what as reparations^TM for Moozik Maf, but if someone has any vague impressions of why it's a thing that they'd like to share w/ the class, that would be cool ig

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:23 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 12:45 pm Sometime around the 400 or 500th time someone insulted my play this game I stopped caring lol.

If one player insulted your play ftom your Pov and you insult the others by doing nothing, isn't this creating a mistrust loop in this game?

The playerslist of this game, everyone, gathered here to have fun. I am sure that was the idea for you as well. If you don't know already that mafia is an emotional game who makes people say stuff they shouldn't say and they wouldn't say IRL and if you want to create tension in the game because you feel the need to punish someone, maybe the purpose itself of this game is still unkown to you and that's sad

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 12:45 pm Sometime around the 400 or 500th time someone insulted my play this game I stopped caring lol.

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:56 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 12:45 pm Sometime around the 400 or 500th time someone insulted my play this game I stopped caring lol.

Let me make this very clear, or everybody player or NPC who’s posted in this game, there’s nobody who understands your situation better than I do, as I’m the resident “gets pushed and beat up and scumread and not listened to for the tinest, most inane things” player basically every game that I play, and the ones where I seem to rise above that usually are because I have the wrong solve. I know what it is like to be constantly criticized for everything that you do in a game

So if you are no longer having fun with the game, irregardless of player status and/or alignment, then I am truly sorry. But ruining everybody else’s fun, if town, by blatantly gamethrowing through a move that you acknowledge would be gamethrowing as town, helps no one and hurts everyone, including yourself. You seem to would rather stubbornly steer right into the iceberg and sink, not just your own ship, but the entire town fleet, out of spite, while everybody is telling you to course-correct and more importantly how to course-correct

In all honestly I don’t see you being this stubborn as Mafia, because your survival instincts would prompt you to take the easy outs here. If you were entering anti-spew maybe, but you weren’t even getting pushed that hard, you’re not “outed” or anything like that, and the only other person who’s been a major contender today is Schia, and why would you fall on your sword and take the fall for a scumbuddy who isn’t even playing and will just get turbo’ed tomorrow if literally anybody else dies today?

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TL;DR for Hally - I understand probably better than everybody where you’re at rn if you’re town, and I’m sorry. But throwing the game and punishing everybody instead of taking charge over your situation and being the one to fight for yourself is going to be the thing that loses us the game, and the game is only lost right here, right now, the moment that you decide that it’s over

If you’re mafia, you’re in anti-spew, but I don’t understand how or why you’d be in anti-spew, so you’re probably not mafia, which makes it all the more important

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:48 pm There is nothing in that Iso Iawy

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 12:53 pm I've come to the conclusion I'm gonna be held alive until limlo and than misexed

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

So probably just kill me now and glgl town. I think we lost a long time ago though.

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 2:01 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:48 pm There is nothing in that Iso Iawy

Yeah, I came to more or less the same conclusion

The two Lumi interactions could be kinda telling if Lumi somehow isn’t an NPC, but otherwise yeah

Had to do it eventually though, better to check it now while there’s than delay on it

The next step though, which is more time-consuming, is to check everybody else’s progressions on Schia, Vivax included. As what Schia [didn’t] said is probably not as much important here as what’s [not] been said about Schia

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 2:03 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 12:53 pm I've come to the conclusion I'm gonna be held alive until limlo and than misexed

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

So probably just kill me now and glgl town. I think we lost a long time ago though.

100% serious self-votes are gamethrowing, idk what to tell you. This is neither ‘tiny’ nor ‘stupid’, but it definitely is ****, on that we readily agree

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:56 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:53 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:38 pm i don’t really feel like iso’ing ender and suck at reading him anyway but if people who have read wanna kill him, sure ig

i feel like i always think he’s wolfy regardless of alignment and he gets mislunched all the time lately for whatever that’s worth, but i mean he could still be a wolf

Ok Hally is a wolf

Agreed that was a scummy post.
Weren‘t you supposed to be wolfsiding tho

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 2:07 pm And I have openly acknowledged that I would have signed up as an NPC if I knew shat I was getting into but I did not understand what was happening here and I like playing mafia.

Now I understand and have the knowledge I need for next game if there is a next one which I hope there is cause this game is a great design.