MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:38 pm
*deletes the notes I made after deciding it was multiball*
Okay here's my pre multiball solve notes.
I am going to pretend like I made Rondo a viable counterwagon to bait the mafia to vote him to save Seanzie cuz it seems fun
Falcon - Town
Rondo - not town lol
Golden and Kate not town
SVS town
Nutella town
Dyslexicon probably town
Alison town
Creature null leaning bad town
if Creature comes out pushing me day 3 I am going to have no qualms destroying him
I kinda felt Radishes had no wolf agenda
Marmot working on analysing my Rondo case and not worrying about the Seanzie wagon is good look for him in Rondo t Seanzie w world
possibly even in Rondo w Seanzie w world
probably just a good look
Scotty baaad
Golden flopping to Seanzie after trying to fight his wagon for so long feels opportunistic, I just cannot trust this man
but yeah Scotty trying to get all the non Seanzie POE to vote me is okay looks, except for that it kinda feels like a wolf relenting that Seanzie was going down and trying to get some town killed as part of it
Creature "are those wagons all just town", I am unsure how this is every something a town says contextually ... it's just so anti-town
Seanzie "appears" to have an agenda to survive and tried to get Rondo over... points for Rondo. I don't think it's anti spew, because he was genuinely wolf KP so he probably really did want to live, and if mafia wanted Rondo to go down Rondo was not participating.
Rondo was kind of a passively important character in Seanzie dying, that's also good for him.
Also I think he had townie entitlement.
Marmot not very generous towards Seanzie at all, good look for Marmot.
Scotty votes me, there are two voters on me, he and SVS, he tries to get Marmot to join. I am voting Marmot.
He's trying to get Marmot killed I think.
Seanzie directly appeals to Creature to vote Rondo. Great look for Creature.
Seanzie is not trying to get non Rondo people over, he is trying to get Rondo over.
Marmot refuses to vote me, Rondo now floating Marmot as a candy date.
Hmmm Marmot being not present, coming back, dismissing the Rondo case and becoming a strong proponent of the Seanzie case is a thing that on the surface looks good but could very easily be TMI and an attempt to bus.
Not sure about Marmot.
Sloonei can be mafia here, but he's not making himself very readable or making any effort to help the town in this game.
Dyslexicon suddenly trying to float to Marmot with Rondo is weird.
Scotty, Creature all starting to become antagonistic towards Marmot.
Marmot is probably just town and at least one of these is not. Not a unified effort but at least one.
Party Crasher coming in screaming about Marmot being mafia is absolutely egregious.
Golden peddling the idea that they're an NPC. I think Scotty was also promoting this.
Yeah fuck.
Scotty swinging haymakers at anyone not named Seanzie while Seanzie is getting murdered. Dude is fucking mafia lol.
God Creature is annoying lol.
Dyslexicon falling for this last minute Marmot c/w is so bad lol.
Radishes timing for his vote is not wolfy, the wolves had already abandoned it by then imo.
Final VC =
Seanzie 10 - Marmot t, falcon t, nutella t, neon t, Party Crasher w, Alison t, Dyslexicon lw, Lilypetal t, Porscha t, Kate lw
Rondo 6 - Urist t, Sloonei lw, Creature t, Ender t, 112 ?, Seanzie w
Marmot 4 - Mac t, Radishes t, Rondo t, Scotty w
SVS - sig lw, Golden lw
Scotty - Hollowkatt lw, Michelle lt
Golden - Guillo ?
Mac - SVS t
sig - DrWilgy t
Top tier of town
Falcon
Nutella
Neon
Alison
Lilypetal
Porscha
SVS - SVS does not come off like someone with any wolf agenda considering she was a counterwagon with a horrendous looking wagon comp, to wolf KP and Rondo who can still be a wolf.
Probably town
Marmot - I think there were wolves trying to push Marmot at EOD, I would be stunned if that was a pure cfd attempt.
Urist - I think Golden is mafia and that makes Urist never one. I think Urist voting Rondo is the least egregious of the Rondo votes.
Creature - Creature feels like town Creature with his endless bad takes and lack of TMI. He was kind of obvious town at EOD, but my gosh.
Ender - I still think Ender's persistance on Rondo and his play generally has been quite townie. Given his position on Rondo, it also would have been easy for him to get active and try harder to push over Rondo over Seanzie, and he did not do that. So he lacks partner equity with Seanzie.
Radishes - I feel like Radishes had no wolf agenda during the EOD. He didn't really vote in a way that had any strong benefit to the wolves, only to make himself look bad on a surface level if he is one. He feels just like a hapless townie trying to piece it all together. He also didn't really buy into my case on Rondo from a direct plea, which if Rondo is town and he is teammates with Seanzie he should have.
Aside: Now I am wondering why the wolves didn't just all find my Rondo case incredible and by right into it to get Rondo over Seanzie? That ... is strange honestly. I gave them all a remarkable opportunity to save the guy with the KP and they didn't really take it, and honestly the Rondo wagon is not that scummy in the end. Perhaps cause to consider Rondo might still be a wolf. Seanzie and Rondo themselves feel unpaired to each other though.
Rondo - Well ... he was the primary counterwagon to flipped wolf KP, but he did refuse to vote Seanzie, all the things that made him wolfy remain there. So the read is not confident. He can still be mafia.
Michelle - She hasn't really had much wolf agenda but also ... hasn't really, been that town tbh. She did sheep me a lot during the day including large stretches on Seanzie.
Not voting with me in the end and voting Scotty who I never voted is ... bizarre, but also Scotty is sus so.
DrWilgy - He's kind of still just there. A lot rides on sig's alignment I guess. Maybe he should be more pure null. Probably should check him for Seanzie/Sabi interactions.
Upper Tier of POE
Dyslexicon
Sloonei
Sig
Hollowkatt
Lower Tier of POE
Scotty
Golden
Kate
Party Crasher
So I am going to ISO these 7 and see if any of them are just obv clear from Seanzie Sabi
HK - Called Seanzie wolf during RVS but outside that there's no reason he can't be with either of them on his side of the ISO.
Scotty is like, dead to rights mafia imo.
He was absolutely actively trying to create momentum away from Seanzie's flip. He did some basic distancing when the votes were close but it was baseless and lasted not long and when the whips were cracking was pushing anyone not named Seanzie.
Nothing unpartnered to Sabi there.
God Alison is actually goating. I hope they don't kill her.
Kate is fucken bleh. Just like a level 1 wolf in every world.
Which obviously ends up equating to Golden being outed mafia, SVS being town.
I need not really analyse Golden but yeah he's not town.
Party Crasher being Tutuu means there's always a chance she's town, but like...
fits hand in glove.
Scotty
Golden
Kate
Party Crasher
All need death.
eh fuck it i'll do due dilligence on Golden's ISO
Good look for Golden
hmmm wolves prodding Golden hard on his Kate read is undermining my conviction lol
yeah nah fuck it Golden isn't a wolf with Seanzie and probably neither is Kate
i remain unconvinced they aren't part of a different faction
hmmm yes I am now convinced we are playing multiball actually
cuz the mafia players actually have real reads
Rondo and Seanzie are wolves of differing aligments
hmmm
Nutella can be non Seanzie/Sabi team wolf here.
yeah I'm operating in multiball mindset now which changes a lot
*clip*
you’re welcome Mac even if you’re paranoid about me.