The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:20 pm

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:19 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:00 pm A miller is a role that is town but shows as mafia to cop checks

POE is Process Of Elimination, basically shorthand for “I have a bunch of townreads, these are the people I don’t townread” usually

Thank you! That cleared a lot up, thankfully. And yeah, I guess y’all can add me to the Miller list then.

Which shouldn’t shock me in the least since we’re all Jacks. I’ve never met a good one.

Wait

Wut

Wow this game is getting silly

I assume the host just made like half the game Millers or something because it sounded funny

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:19 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:13 pm Let's make a deal, FG.

If I promise to leave you alone for a while, you'll go ahead and solve your heart out and make me proud. K?

wait... really? :O

Yep.

Let me be clear though that "a while" doesn't mean free passes at any EOD including Day 1. I mean, like, literally for now. You've taken a lot of flak and I'd like to see you operate without that frustration.

i feel pretty good about this game rn

think we have a good town circle going here!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:21 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:19 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:13 pm Let's make a deal, FG.

If I promise to leave you alone for a while, you'll go ahead and solve your heart out and make me proud. K?

wait... really? :O

Yep.

Let me be clear though that "a while" doesn't mean free passes at any EOD including Day 1. I mean, like, literally for now. You've taken a lot of flak and I'd like to see you operate without that frustration.

:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHEEEEEEEE

ok im taking a nap

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:19 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:18 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:17 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:16 pm Non “game relevant” stuff often/broadly easier to read people on actually

I’m sort of half assing it cause I’m tired but yeah pretty sure kits is just town, not likely to reconsider until f3 barring mech reasons

this read makes GTH look like a cop check

I’m very successful with it idk what to tell you. How people talk often more important than what they say

as long as you get to a correct conclusion I don't much care how you get there (although it might impact your ability to convince me).

personally I suspect it's just a way to channel your ability to intuit things but again it doesn't matter as long as you catch scum which is all I care about

It actually isn’t, it’s linguistic analysis. Admittedly I just eyeball it 99% of the time, but it’s a real thing and it works for a surprisingly high amount of people.

Call it a tone read if you want

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:19 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:00 pm A miller is a role that is town but shows as mafia to cop checks

POE is Process Of Elimination, basically shorthand for “I have a bunch of townreads, these are the people I don’t townread” usually

Thank you! That cleared a lot up, thankfully. And yeah, I guess y’all can add me to the Miller list then.

Which shouldn’t shock me in the least since we’re all Jacks. I’ve never met a good one.

you’re claiming miller too?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:22 pm It actually isn’t, it’s linguistic analysis. Admittedly I just eyeball it 99% of the time, but it’s a real thing and it works for a surprisingly high amount of people.

Call it a tone read if you want

I feel like you get a lot of shit for the way you play the game and are upset about that and I personally have no ability to understand your playstyle but also no interest in giving you shit for the way you play the game as long as you come to the correct conclusion

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:21 pm i feel pretty good about this game rn

think we have a good town circle going here!

can you explicitly list who your town circle is?

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:21 pm i feel pretty good about this game rn

think we have a good town circle going here!

Agreed. A huge part of my approach to civilian Mafia is in facilitating the best possible environment for my team to be successful. When it's working, you can often feel that in the very air of the thread. I knew Game 6 was special by the middle of Day 1.

We're going the right way here, folks. Keep those heads level and let's roll over this game.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:23 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:22 pm It actually isn’t, it’s linguistic analysis. Admittedly I just eyeball it 99% of the time, but it’s a real thing and it works for a surprisingly high amount of people.

Call it a tone read if you want

I feel like you get a lot of shit for the way you play the game and are upset about that and I personally have no ability to understand your playstyle but also no interest in giving you shit for the way you play the game as long as you come to the correct conclusion

Eh, I just get irritable when I’m tired and/or hungry.

I think you probably could understand if you were willing to meet me halfway/I were better at taking time to explain it, tbh I’m just kinda jaded at this point sometimes

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:02 pm I like KitshShel.

KitshShel is my strongest townread

That surprises me. Why?

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]
ill take a look at once point, I'm trying to finish stuff up
the only thing that comes to mind off the top of my head is like Epi?

I can't be the only one that thinks his posts are kinda forced?
but you guys are the ones with meta on him, so maybe I'm wrong

Nanook is NAI all around, if you wanna call him town-lean out of personal preference, w/e
Sabie has 12 posts, and they bring nothing to the game at all

I'm probably wrong about one of the no-posters, but there isnt much I can say there, till they actually do stuff

Tony claimed miller, but like it stops meaning anything after 4 people hard claim it?
still debating if his nervous tone in regards to pressure is townie or wolfie

P.S: Y'all need to chill, everytime I try to submit there are more posts

Wisp me and jay are gonna roll this game and we’re dragging you along with us get used to it

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:25 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:02 pm I like KitshShel.

KitshShel is my strongest townread

That surprises me. Why?

what scum enters the thread and names three basically random players and goes "these are my scumreads"

especially in an environment they're still adjusting to/uncomfortable with

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:24 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:21 pm i feel pretty good about this game rn

think we have a good town circle going here!

can you explicitly list who your town circle is?

me, jay, epi, nanook, daisy, etc. basically the people i town read

im debating whether you should be in it

Cool, Wisp. I don't take issue with any of those takes and understand why you might have them.

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:27 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:24 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:21 pm i feel pretty good about this game rn

think we have a good town circle going here!

can you explicitly list who your town circle is?

me, jay, epi, nanook, daisy, etc. basically the people i town read

im debating whether you should be in it

oh wisp too. and others i forget now

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] can we get ISO links in the OP for the mobile users please and thanks. Hee ho

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:22 pm you’re claiming miller too?

If Miller is as Nanook described, then yes. My Jack is an asshole, so I will come up as a bad guy when copped.

This is actually really interesting, I’ve never played in a game like this.

Closest was one game where everyone had a one shot night kill to use whenever they wanted, but everyone thought they were the only one and we didn’t catch on til day 4 when the previous night was a massacre. I sincerely hope that’s not the case here...

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:27 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:24 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:21 pm i feel pretty good about this game rn

think we have a good town circle going here!

can you explicitly list who your town circle is?

me, jay, epi, nanook, daisy, etc. basically the people i town read

im debating whether you should be in it

didn't you move epi down to null?

you had this whole thing where you were like "wait why am I TRing epi, he's null sorry"

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:24 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:21 pm i feel pretty good about this game rn

think we have a good town circle going here!

Agreed. A huge part of my approach to civilian Mafia is in facilitating the best possible environment for my team to be successful. When it's working, you can often feel that in the very air of the thread. I knew Game 6 was special by the middle of Day 1.

We're going the right way here, folks. Keep those heads level and let's roll over this game.

aye aye cap’n

o7

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:27 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:27 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:24 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:21 pm i feel pretty good about this game rn

think we have a good town circle going here!

can you explicitly list who your town circle is?

me, jay, epi, nanook, daisy, etc. basically the people i town read

im debating whether you should be in it

oh wisp too. and others i forget now

Forgetting reads is a fucking mood tbh

Who wants to bet there’s not a single cop in this game

I will literally bet on it

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:28 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:22 pm you’re claiming miller too?

If Miller is as Nanook described, then yes. My Jack is an asshole, so I will come up as a bad guy when copped.

This is actually really interesting, I’ve never played in a game like this.

Closest was one game where everyone had a one shot night kill to use whenever they wanted, but everyone thought they were the only one and we didn’t catch on til day 4 when the previous night was a massacre. I sincerely hope that’s not the case here...

omg, jack you troll

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:28 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:22 pm you’re claiming miller too?

If Miller is as Nanook described, then yes. My Jack is an asshole, so I will come up as a bad guy when copped.

This is actually really interesting, I’ve never played in a game like this.

Closest was one game where everyone had a one shot night kill to use whenever they wanted, but everyone thought they were the only one and we didn’t catch on til day 4 when the previous night was a massacre. I sincerely hope that’s not the case here...

ok so I know that your previous forum meta was kind of passive since you think this thread is aggressive (it's filled with people all mutually townreading and trusting each other and trying to build town blocs...)

but multiple people waiting until night 3 to use their one shot vig? yeesh

Jack's entire lifestyle is designed around being a troll, so I am going to be playing the game as if the miller claims don't exist. If there's a reason I shouldn't do that I will listen.

Also I'll make the ISO links.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:40 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:38 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:29 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:29 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:20 pm Also yes I agree there’s very likely at least one if not more scum in the zero to very low posters.

literally rand%

Why is that equal to a random distribution?

if we assume a 3:1 wolf ratio, there's likely at least a wolf in the low - no posters.

anyways everyone except you have too many "bads" to make sense really. 1. and 2. where the hell did spacedaisy's reads even come from? or the sprityo reads. are you guys really gonna miskill him again? i think the blanket suspicion is a good look imo but eh it's too early to form any type of read on that slot

y'all

y'all

why are you overreacting? How is he a mis-kill?

1. not overreacting.

2. sprityo was killed last game i played because he was magically scum read by everyone except me basically. and he flipped town. do i think he's town now? i mean not necessarily. he's null for me

Are you sure you didn't just TMI slip a little on sprityo there?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:48 pm jjj more like fff, 1 f for each person who has to be his wolf partner

Why are they f's? Like, for fuck?

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:40 pm

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:37 pm Ok, so. I’ve finally gotten through the entire thread. And this basically boils down to y’all chatting/arguing with each other and metagaming the first day? Or am I misreading?

For the most part I think this has been about getting reads on each other. The game started somewhat spammy, but it has solidified into a well-oiled machine of Mafia work. Some of that is arguing and some of that metagaming, but not all of it. Do you have feelings about any players after catching up?

Gut feeling might be that sprityo, long con, and tony are scum.

Welcome To The Syndicate.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:54 pm The "winner" of the Who Gave the Most Good Reads? sweepstakes is Long Con, at least by proportion. Otherwise it's me, but we don't care about that. No, no, we don't care about that. Unless @Long Con has multiple mafia reads among the four he missed, then there is a considerable shortage of suspicion there. That's not great, as I don't see much in his post history to this point that suggests to me he should have developed such a comfortable view of the game state.

JJJ is scum. He's played countless games with me and knows perfectly well that this is how my Day 1 generally goes. I don't tend to jump on a whole bunch of people with scumreads or add people to my "towncore". "Shortage of suspicion" from me should easily be identified as NAI, and the fact that he's trying to prod suspicion on me for it is solid proof that he's not on the level. He's generally trying too hard to do the Town JJJ Song & Dance and impress the newcomers, but I've played with him for years, and this is not town Jimmy. GTH exercise not even halfway into Day 1?? WTFmullet? What a dog and pony show, how many people hadn't even posted yet? GTH reads? Are you kidding me?

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine and I don't really give a damn that I'll probably get lynched today for this. He's scum. Keep him around for the good times if you want.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:11 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:49 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:43 am LC your nightmare stuff sounds truly horrifying. My nightmares always seem to be about an animal attacking me

Also scary. Do you believe all the Miller claims? If they're all true, then the scum team is going to have an easy time picking off power roles, if there are any.

what the heck is this

Well, I was talking with my friend sabie...

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:28 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:27 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:24 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:21 pm i feel pretty good about this game rn

think we have a good town circle going here!

can you explicitly list who your town circle is?

me, jay, epi, nanook, daisy, etc. basically the people i town read

im debating whether you should be in it

didn't you move epi down to null?

you had this whole thing where you were like "wait why am I TRing epi, he's null sorry"

yea but then i decided to trust jays read there because he knows epi better

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:29 pm Who wants to bet there’s not a single cop in this game

This is probably true

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:29 pm I will literally bet on it

dizzy once ran a game where he put a miller and no cop to troll ppl

Mafia-aligned Long Con responded to suspicion from me with loud No Us in Take Me Out to the Ballgame.

there is no point in having cops when half the game is millers

the all millers thing sounds like a flavor thing added in because the host thought it was funny anyway

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:32 pm Mafia-aligned Long Con responded to suspicion from me with loud No Us in Take Me Out to the Ballgame.

so?

I like his entrance

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:31 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:29 pm I will literally bet on it

dizzy once ran a game where he put a miller and no cop to troll ppl

I didn’t think I could love dizzy more but now i do

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:32 pm Mafia-aligned Long Con responded to suspicion from me with loud No Us in Take Me Out to the Ballgame.

Can you not annoy me with that emoji

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:33 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:32 pm Mafia-aligned Long Con responded to suspicion from me with loud No Us in Take Me Out to the Ballgame.

so?

I like his entrance

He just did it again. I noticed the parallel immediately and said it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:33 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:31 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:29 pm I will literally bet on it

dizzy once ran a game where he put a miller and no cop to troll ppl

I didn’t think I could love dizzy more but now i do

he is a gift that keeps on giving

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:34 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:33 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:32 pm Mafia-aligned Long Con responded to suspicion from me with loud No Us in Take Me Out to the Ballgame.

so?

I like his entrance

He just did it again. I noticed the parallel immediately and said it.

Well yes, but I'm not sure why you think it's relevant/AI unless you think that LC is a bad enough mafia player that he just responds with OMGUS every time you sus him

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:35 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:33 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:31 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:29 pm I will literally bet on it

dizzy once ran a game where he put a miller and no cop to troll ppl

I didn’t think I could love dizzy more but now i do

he is a gift that keeps on giving

@Dyslexicon

dizzy is great

idk what to do with lc vs. jay

I think it's V/V atm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:30 pm ok so I know that your previous forum meta was kind of passive since you think this thread is aggressive (it's filled with people all mutually townreading and trusting each other and trying to build town blocs...)

but multiple people waiting until night 3 to use their one shot vig? yeesh

If I’m remembering correctly, there were 25 people in that game and we had about 3 kills a night, which was fairly standard at the time. (1 mafia kill, 1 serial killer, and 1 town vigilante). Night 3 was when it all went to hell and 5-6 people popped off. It was literally insane.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:34 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:33 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:32 pm Mafia-aligned Long Con responded to suspicion from me with loud No Us in Take Me Out to the Ballgame.

so?

I like his entrance

He just did it again. I noticed the parallel immediately and said it.

You're still scum. I can't think of any other reason for you to misrepresent my Day 1 play like that. "...there is a considerable shortage of suspicion there. That's not great, as I don't see much in his post history to this point that suggests to me he should have developed such a comfortable view of the game state." You dirty scum, YOU ARE THE ONE that put GTH, where you CAN'T have null reads, into effect. I followed YOUR RULES and forced stupid, uninformed reads into the thread, and then you have the nerve to try and turn that around on ME?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:33 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:32 pm Mafia-aligned Long Con responded to suspicion from me with loud No Us in Take Me Out to the Ballgame.

Can you not annoy me with that emoji

Alrighty.

You groaned about me running a GTH exercise halfway through Day 1. There's a reason I've done that. In the recently-completed town slaughter of the MU champs tournament Game 6, I ran a GTH exercise... halfway through Day 1. And I caught two of the three mafia with it. Also, only one player had not made a post (still Colin).

It's never too early to solve the game. I'm here to slaughter, maim, and destroy with my teammates by my side. That IS civilian JJJ, perhaps with a newfound confidence and inspiration that you haven't seen for a while. I did hate playing this game for the last two years after all.

Your complaining that I shouldn't be suspecting you or whatever is outrageously overdone. "solid proof" give me a break dude

I'm getting upset. I want to jam the Vote button over and over.

it could be W/W

this spike in hostility seems artificial

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:37 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:33 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:32 pm Mafia-aligned Long Con responded to suspicion from me with loud No Us in Take Me Out to the Ballgame.

Can you not annoy me with that emoji

Alrighty.

You groaned about me running a GTH exercise halfway through Day 1. There's a reason I've done that. In the recently-completed town slaughter of the MU champs tournament Game 6, I ran a GTH exercise... halfway through Day 1. And I caught two of the three mafia with it. Also, only one player had not made a post (still Colin).

It's never too early to solve the game. I'm here to slaughter, maim, and destroy with my teammates by my side. That IS civilian JJJ, perhaps with a newfound confidence and inspiration that you haven't seen for a while. I did hate playing this game for the last two years after all.

Your complaining that I shouldn't be suspecting you or whatever is outrageously overdone. "solid proof" give me a break dude

I will not give you a break.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:37 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:34 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:33 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:32 pm Mafia-aligned Long Con responded to suspicion from me with loud No Us in Take Me Out to the Ballgame.

so?

I like his entrance

He just did it again. I noticed the parallel immediately and said it.

You're still scum. I can't think of any other reason for you to misrepresent my Day 1 play like that. "...there is a considerable shortage of suspicion there. That's not great, as I don't see much in his post history to this point that suggests to me he should have developed such a comfortable view of the game state." You dirty scum, YOU ARE THE ONE that put GTH, where you CAN'T have null reads, into effect. I followed YOUR RULES and forced stupid, uninformed reads into the thread, and then you have the nerve to try and turn that around on ME?

I have been promoting the notion that mafia give more town reads on average than mafia give in that exercise for the last five years. This isn't the first time you've seen that.

Your caps lock is silly.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:38 pm it could be W/W

this spike in hostility seems artificial

You seem artificial. Like playing with Data.