The Syndicate

Posted: **Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:39 pm**

Syn is objectively anti-town but I don’t think a wolf comes in and plays like this.

I’m not sure if lunching Mac today is the right move for reasons I will claim in the morning if necessary. I think probably Falcon makes the most sense. I don’t want to lunch gavial but I think it’s just because they’re like one of the few people reading me correctly and I need more support with villagers like syn and hk just gamethrowing :/

Posted: **Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:50 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:22 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:17 pm I’m not entirely sure what others see wolfy in you Falcon.
I suppose I haven’t been paying much attention but none of your posts haven’t really had anything that stand out towards either alignment IMO.

One thing I did like as I mentioned before was EoD1 and how you went about it. Felt like a genuine town ready to die before that Igno CFD.
But honestly if I were to pick the 3rd scum, you might make sense as it would explain Mac’s CFD push and the way Syn handled WimI today.
Just because I can Ima pretend I’m Falcon and respond.

But Gavial! You just said nothing stands out as AI but say my EoD1 was genuine town.

No Falcon, I did not. I said your posts haven’t been AI but your REACTION in EoD1 did feel like AI Genuine Town ready to die.

Pfffft. Doesn't sound like me at all

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:06 am**

Aw man this game feels like a chore rn. I'll see what I can do.

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:11 am**

Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:23 pm I mean maybe we resolve the wagons and lunch falcon, but I actually think he has been villagery today in tone,

I dunno.

and Marmot has spiraled downward.

I have the opposite view.

Creature seems fine for lunch, but his tone has also been fine today.

How am I fine for lunch?

The only thing stopping me from saying 100% Syn is that if it is some kind of softed claim we always need to lunch outside of it.

Feels like bullshitting for me, but whatever.

Gavial also seems fine to lunch, they were wolfy d1 the entire time and haven’t improved at all on tone.

Heard something that might point Gavial town, but I have to re-check.

A gavial/wiml/Syn world actually exists tbh. Wiml shielding both of them now that it seems mechanically he is likely clear hmm and tbh not really seeing much gamesolving from wiml as of late, just quips to clear ppl.

I disagree on Wiml here. I think they're pretty towny regardless of Esooa thing.

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:15 am**

Kami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:17 pm id be down with nanook/mac/hollow

ordered in preference

Are you still up for NANOOK?

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:20 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:26 pm I also think that big wall by HK is excessively scummy.

Thought it was pretty towny and agreed with plenty of points there.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:46 pm Yeah this game is probably just a town loss.

Mood.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:51 pm kinda wanna kill mac but also won't be caught dead on a wagon with deli and/or kami so that kinda sucks

I think they're all town tbh.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:14 pm My problem is that everyone not named esooa or hollowbutt looks scummy, and I'm having a hard time differentiating townies messing around and wolves messing around.

Same. This day is a huge mess.

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:28 am**

Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:23 pm What’s sad is Syn made a bad read d1, didn’t stop to think about the game setup, and has just tunneled ever since. Is this a wolf trying to seem consistent or a villager who consistently plays anti-town?

I don't think Syn has been consistent this game at all.

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:23 am**

I've been hung over/had a migraine all day

I really don't think I need to make some case on why falcon is mafia and I don't want to either. He should be the yeet today always

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:54 am**

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:31 pm [VOTE: Syn] aubergine
I’m good with either Mac or Syn.
@Marmot
@Esooa
@Wiml
@Long Con
Come vote Syn!

I'm not in this game.

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 3:32 am**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:15 am
Kami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:17 pm id be down with nanook/mac/hollow

ordered in preference
Are you still up for NANOOK?

well yeah

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:35 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:06 pm
Deli wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:31 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:29 pm falcon is still mafia. I have nothing else to say

oh well, I also am here to say igno is bussing him
I need to go back and read or you can just explain the case a little more, and who is their third?

Deli wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:18 pm Falcon > nook for lunch, but nook hasn’t really actually done /anything/, wolfy or otherwise iirc so

Deli wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:34 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:13 pm
Deli wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:10 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:06 pm @Esooa is Kami mafia?
RN I'd say she's town. In the game I played with her previously she didn't really care that much and made few reads etc because she was scum and didn't really want to be. This game obviously she cares about reading stuff and is mad at HK because of what she's read
Kami’s caring is a function of her mood, not her alignment ime
Besides hollowkatt, who else are you up to lynch?
i'm almost at the point with hollow that like nah, idk that a wolf comes in and does that-- not going to clear them for being inconsistent but Idt it would make sense for hollow to be w/w is falcon and I'd rather flip falcon first.

Villa
Deli

Villa lean
wiml
marmot
igno?

Not clearing(hopefully not more than 1 wolf in here)
Mac
Esooa
Kami
Hollow
Creature

Lunch here(three wolves-- one time?!)
gavial
nanook
falcon

tbh tho it's early and this list could be very good or very bad or neither :O

I want to yeet this read progression. Reading back to Day 1, Deli had a lot to say about a number of different players, though very little to say about falcon. Regardless, falcon became Deli's top scumread when Deli made a list with the reasoning of "falcon had wolfy posts".

Deli wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:29 am [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

I’m happy to go falcon, can we just make sure we are not tie-ing up the wagons? Like someone move from igno please

His vote came at a time when falcon was ahead 4-2-2 over igno and Wiml. The thing that bothers me about this post is the Deli seems more interested in breaking a tie here than yeeting falcon over Wiml or igno. What I'm reading in the tone in this post is that Deli didn't care who was yeeted.

I was laying in bed last night re-reading the run up to EOD 1 and this same thing jumped out at me as well. Deli was insanely focused on "don't let there be a tie". Like I get ties = nobody is chopped, but the focus from deli was on the tie breaking, not on who was going over.
++townie points for marmot

also also votes for syn are bad, stop doing them

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:40 am**

[VOTE: NANOOK] aubergine

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:44 am**

Yo I got the job, stress over, here until 11:35am est

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:44 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:54 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:31 pm [VOTE: Syn] aubergine
I’m good with either Mac or Syn.
@Marmot
@Esooa
@Wiml
@Long Con
Come vote Syn!
I'm not in this game.

Vote Syn anyway! Urist doesn’t count poll votes anyway.

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:45 am**

Am I the lunch?

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:45 am**

Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:23 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:14 pm
Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:12 pm Mac has been wolfy af, I thought I had another reason to wagon him and then realized I completely misread the thread and it became irrelevant. I still think he is >rand a wolf but tbh I don’t think we should lunch there today probably.
who should we lunch then, and more importantly, why?
I DON’T KNOW. Congrats Syndicate, you’ve broken a Deli

I mean maybe we resolve the wagons and lunch falcon, but I actually think he has been villagery today in tone,

and Marmot has spiraled downward.

Creature seems fine for lunch, but his tone has also been fine today.

The only thing stopping me from saying 100% Syn is that if it is some kind of softed claim we always need to lunch outside of it.

Gavial also seems fine to lunch, they were wolfy d1 the entire time and haven’t improved at all on tone.

A gavial/wiml/Syn world actually exists tbh. Wiml shielding both of them now that it seems mechanically he is likely clear hmm and tbh not really seeing much gamesolving from wiml as of late, just quips to clear ppl.

Esooa claims that she protected Wiml last night. Syn claimed it's a lie. In that world, how are Wiml and Syn scum, but esooa isn't?

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:46 am**

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:44 am Yo I got the job, stress over, here until 11:35am est

Congratulations!!! That's awesome!

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:46 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:45 am
Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:23 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:14 pm
Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:12 pm Mac has been wolfy af, I thought I had another reason to wagon him and then realized I completely misread the thread and it became irrelevant. I still think he is >rand a wolf but tbh I don’t think we should lunch there today probably.
who should we lunch then, and more importantly, why?
I DON’T KNOW. Congrats Syndicate, you’ve broken a Deli

I mean maybe we resolve the wagons and lunch falcon, but I actually think he has been villagery today in tone,

and Marmot has spiraled downward.

Creature seems fine for lunch, but his tone has also been fine today.

The only thing stopping me from saying 100% Syn is that if it is some kind of softed claim we always need to lunch outside of it.

Gavial also seems fine to lunch, they were wolfy d1 the entire time and haven’t improved at all on tone.

A gavial/wiml/Syn world actually exists tbh. Wiml shielding both of them now that it seems mechanically he is likely clear hmm and tbh not really seeing much gamesolving from wiml as of late, just quips to clear ppl.

Esooa claims that she protected Wiml last night. Syn claimed it's a lie. In that world, how are Wiml and Syn scum, but esooa isn't?

Esooa made a believable claim in a towny way, and wouldn’t the real doctor cc if she is lying?

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:48 am**

Yes, but you're saying that the person she protected is possible scum when they should probably be cleared in that world.

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:48 am**

Agree it's weird to see Wiml and Syn as wolves together. Like why?

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:52 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:48 am Yes, but you're saying that the person she protected is possible scum when they should probably be cleared in that world.

Well it’s not so clear cut to me. I guess I need to claim because I won’t be here EOD.

I’m the JK. I JK’d Mac last night. This is why I came in voting him when there was no death, I thought for sure he was a wolf and I’d been the one to prevent the NK. Then Esooa claimed, and I realized my role actually would have protected Mac had he been the NK, although I still think that is unlikely and he is a wolf. Wiml could have been doctored against nothing, so I can’t clear him, Esooa has no incentive to claim there unless she believes she stopped the NK via doctoring. Anyway sorry guys I feel like I played it really bad and this is a new setup for me, I should have read the roles more carefully and understood.

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:53 am**

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:46 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:45 am
Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:23 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:14 pm
Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:12 pm Mac has been wolfy af, I thought I had another reason to wagon him and then realized I completely misread the thread and it became irrelevant. I still think he is >rand a wolf but tbh I don’t think we should lunch there today probably.
who should we lunch then, and more importantly, why?
I DON’T KNOW. Congrats Syndicate, you’ve broken a Deli

I mean maybe we resolve the wagons and lunch falcon, but I actually think he has been villagery today in tone,

and Marmot has spiraled downward.

Creature seems fine for lunch, but his tone has also been fine today.

The only thing stopping me from saying 100% Syn is that if it is some kind of softed claim we always need to lunch outside of it.

Gavial also seems fine to lunch, they were wolfy d1 the entire time and haven’t improved at all on tone.

A gavial/wiml/Syn world actually exists tbh. Wiml shielding both of them now that it seems mechanically he is likely clear hmm and tbh not really seeing much gamesolving from wiml as of late, just quips to clear ppl.

Esooa claims that she protected Wiml last night. Syn claimed it's a lie. In that world, how are Wiml and Syn scum, but esooa isn't?
Esooa made a believable claim in a towny way, and wouldn’t the real doctor cc if she is lying?

If I were the real doctor no, I wouldn't CC. What I would do is push Esooa for other reasons, or try to figure out a way to indicate I think they're lying without claiming. Doc doesn't want to draw a target here if they can avoid doing so

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:54 am**

Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:39 pm Syn is objectively anti-town but I don’t think a wolf comes in and plays like this.

I’m not sure if lunching Mac today is the right move for reasons I will claim in the morning if necessary. I think probably Falcon makes the most sense. I don’t want to lunch gavial but I think it’s just because they’re like one of the few people reading me correctly and I need more support with villagers like syn and hk just gamethrowing :/

I see that you walked back the reads on Syn and Gavial anyway.

Why is Mac not the right move today?

Side note: Mac's vote is actually on Nanook right now because his last vote didn't count.

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:56 am**

Deli is probably just town here and them tinfoiling like this is something they did a lot of as town last game.

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:56 am**

[VOTE: VOTE DELI] aubergine

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:56 am**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:56 am [VOTE: VOTE DELI] aubergine

CC?

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:56 am**

wolves know which role is not in the game

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:57 am**

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:56 am wolves know which role is not in the game

How?

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:57 am**

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:56 am wolves know which role is not in the game

Not necessarily, they could've rolecopped someone instead

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:58 am**

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:57 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:56 am wolves know which role is not in the game
How?

Read the op it has the scum powers

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:58 am**

Alright guess we gotta vote elsewhere.

I don't think this clears Mac exactly, but given he's post-cappedn I'm not ready to yeet him

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:58 am**

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:57 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:56 am wolves know which role is not in the game
How?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:57 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:56 am wolves know which role is not in the game
Not necessarily, they could've rolecopped someone instead

N1, Palantír: Target any player to learn their role, or target yourself to learn which Loyalist role is not present in the setup.
if I were wolfing here I'd 100% have used that action to know what I'm working around instead of trying to rolecop. I expect competent wolves would go for the most information possible

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:58 am**

I really just want to know if falcon is ccing deli or not

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:59 am**

This is the most ridiculously complicated 13er of my life

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:59 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:58 am I really just want to know if falcon is ccing deli or not

Falcon is not CCing me

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:59 am**

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:58 am
Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:57 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:56 am wolves know which role is not in the game
How?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:57 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:56 am wolves know which role is not in the game
Not necessarily, they could've rolecopped someone instead
N1, Palantír: Target any player to learn their role, or target yourself to learn which Loyalist role is not present in the setup.
if I were wolfing here I'd 100% have used that action to know what I'm working around instead of trying to rolecop. I expect competent wolves would go for the most information possible

Eh, id go for the rolecop personally I think

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:59 am**

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:59 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:58 am I really just want to know if falcon is ccing deli or not
Falcon is not CCing me

I mean he immediately voted you after you claimed so

Idk why you'd assume that

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:59 am**

Also I read the OP again and there's the possibility that wolves know the 4th missing power role and could claim it.

That being said, Esooa's claim was very much how she would play as town + no reason to shield me if she were wolfing + total suicide if she's actually wolfing because she has no excuse to stay alive + she was very towny outside of this for plenty of reasons so I'm happy to just consider her lock town.

This was more for the sake of making sure people were aware for the purpose of other PR claims (although most early PR claims will self resolve anyway).

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:01 am**

Oh I missed Deli's claim.

Yeah Deli is town.

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:01 am**

Anyways without it being a clear im going to

[VOTE: wiml] aubergine

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:01 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:59 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:58 am
Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:57 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:56 am wolves know which role is not in the game
How?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:57 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:56 am wolves know which role is not in the game
Not necessarily, they could've rolecopped someone instead
N1, Palantír: Target any player to learn their role, or target yourself to learn which Loyalist role is not present in the setup.
if I were wolfing here I'd 100% have used that action to know what I'm working around instead of trying to rolecop. I expect competent wolves would go for the most information possible
Eh, id go for the rolecop personally I think

why? Assume 3 bad guys vs 10 good guys, yeah? if you're rolecopping you're gambling on hitting a 3 in 10 to find any given role whereas if you target yourself you know exactly which role isn't in the game and then can start PR hunting based on tells, hints, whatevers.

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:01 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:59 am
Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:59 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:58 am I really just want to know if falcon is ccing deli or not
Falcon is not CCing me
I mean he immediately voted you after you claimed so

Idk why you'd assume that

Because I know my role ldo what is this?

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:02 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:58 am Alright guess we gotta vote elsewhere.

I don't think this clears Mac exactly, but given he's post-cappedn I'm not ready to yeet him

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Yeah, I wouldn't want to lynch him today.

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:02 am**

I'm voting HK/Nanook/Falcon for these reacts fwiw. Not sure how many posts I have left, so conserving them for votes.

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:02 am**

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:01 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:59 am
Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:59 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:58 am I really just want to know if falcon is ccing deli or not
Falcon is not CCing me
I mean he immediately voted you after you claimed so

Idk why you'd assume that
Because I know my role ldo what is this?

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

Are you throwing or is this a wolf claim?

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:03 am**

Hollowkatt is also just town here.

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:03 am**

I can do any of Syn/falcon/NANOOK. Probably in this order of preference.

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:03 am**

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:02 am I'm voting HK/Nanook/Falcon for these reacts fwiw. Not sure how many posts I have left, so conserving them for votes.

throwing it is I guess?

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:04 am**

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:01 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:59 am
Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:59 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:58 am I really just want to know if falcon is ccing deli or not
Falcon is not CCing me
I mean he immediately voted you after you claimed so

Idk why you'd assume that
Because I know my role ldo what is this?

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

And he can't be mafia ccing because...?

If I were falcon and I were mafia I'd at least strongly consider it

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:04 am**

I am against lynching hollowkatt or Wiml.

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