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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Boomslang/Enrique was the other flipped stool pigeon, for what it's worth. I'm not sure it's worth anything, just thought I'd bring it up.
Doesn't mean anything to me. Silver was a stool pigeon. Ika was seemer. Both reasons apply.

As for your question: Eloh
Why?

Why?
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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419 seems to be making some typos and leaving proper nouns in lowercase. :ponder:
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Sloonei wrote:
Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Boomslang/Enrique was the other flipped stool pigeon, for what it's worth. I'm not sure it's worth anything, just thought I'd bring it up.
Doesn't mean anything to me. Silver was a stool pigeon. Ika was seemer. Both reasons apply.

As for your question: Eloh
Why?

Why?
I already explained the topic of why it makes sense. Yes if ika is the stool pigeon he's has a 1/10 shot in getting silver, but he built a narrative to act like that to her.

I've been suspecting him more then chain
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Boomslang/Enrique was the other flipped stool pigeon, for what it's worth. I'm not sure it's worth anything, just thought I'd bring it up.
Doesn't mean anything to me. Silver was a stool pigeon. Ika was seemer. Both reasons apply.

As for your question: Eloh
Why?

Why?
I already explained the topic of why it makes sense. Yes if ika is the stool pigeon he's has a 1/10 shot in getting silver, but he built a narrative to act like that to her.

I've been suspecting him more then chain
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:Soneji might be a cop anyway but not because Silver was the stool pigeon.
Are you claiming to be the real one?
No, I'm claiming that if Soneji is a cop then it's not because Silver was the stool pigeon.
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Prisoner 606386 wrote:
Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:Soneji might be a cop anyway but not because Silver was the stool pigeon.
Are you claiming to be the real one?
No, I'm claiming that if Soneji is a cop then it's not because Silver was the stool pigeon.
Do you think Soneji could genuinely be a stool pigeon?
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Sloonei wrote: Neither of these are satisfactory answers.
It's a good thing that it doesn't matter then does it? We still have more votes on them.

Why do you think what im saying is wrong?
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:
Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:Soneji might be a cop anyway but not because Silver was the stool pigeon.
Are you claiming to be the real one?
No, I'm claiming that if Soneji is a cop then it's not because Silver was the stool pigeon.
Do you think Soneji could genuinely be a stool pigeon?
I think it's possible, but I'm on the fence as to how likely it is.
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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I say we just ignore it for now and lynch Eloh. This is all speculation anyway, ika could have been the real stool pigeon and Soneji could still be town. I still think chaindeath looks worse than Soneji.
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Sloonei wrote:I'll ask this again for the prisoners, since no one seemed to answer the first time: Chaindeath or Elohcin? This is every bit as important a question as the one about soneji/ika.
Elohcin and Serge's vote and participation history match the fingerprints of a "baddie" role on life support. Not voting for RadicalFuzz the day he was lynched, never voting for another "baddie", sporadic participation, and late votes on obvious "baddie" trains. It all looks like a "baddie" ship sinking rapidly.

The only thing that gives me pause is just how convenient it looks given the situation you find yourselves in. Momentum and overconfidence are hard to distinguish at times.
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Prisoner 606386 wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:
Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:Soneji might be a cop anyway but not because Silver was the stool pigeon.
Are you claiming to be the real one?
No, I'm claiming that if Soneji is a cop then it's not because Silver was the stool pigeon.
Do you think Soneji could genuinely be a stool pigeon?
I think it's possible, but I'm on the fence as to how likely it is.
Do you think both Soneji and Boomslang/Enrique could genuinely be stool pigeons?
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Sloonei wrote: Neither of these are satisfactory answers.
It's a good thing that it doesn't matter then does it?
This is what I mean when I talk about judgment being clouded...

...not that that has anything to do with you though, of course.
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Know what's funny? Even if we lynch all the cops we still have the delmea of the dons in that they need to be dead for the other to win.
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:
Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:Soneji might be a cop anyway but not because Silver was the stool pigeon.
Are you claiming to be the real one?
No, I'm claiming that if Soneji is a cop then it's not because Silver was the stool pigeon.
Do you think Soneji could genuinely be a stool pigeon?
I think it's possible, but I'm on the fence as to how likely it is.
Do you think both Soneji and Boomslang/Enrique could genuinely be stool pigeons?
Is that impossible?
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Turnip Head wrote:ika could have been the real stool pigeon and Soneji could still be town.
How do you figure? I think Soneji quite clearly hinted at himself being the stool pigeon which ika flipped as. If that's not true, then I can't fathom a town motive for Soneji to do that.
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Prisoner 419713 wrote:Know what's funny? Even if we lynch all the cops we still have the delmea of the dons in that they need to be dead for the other to win.
You think ika was a cop and you're full of typos.
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:ika could have been the real stool pigeon and Soneji could still be town.
How do you figure? I think Soneji quite clearly hinted at himself being the stool pigeon which ika flipped as. If that's not true, then I can't fathom a town motive for Soneji to do that.
I agree with this.
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Prisoner 606386 wrote:Is that impossible?
From my perspective it's not impossible. How about your perspective? How likely do you feel that would be?
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Prisoner 606386 wrote:
Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Sloonei wrote: Neither of these are satisfactory answers.
It's a good thing that it doesn't matter then does it?
This is what I mean when I talk about judgment being clouded...

...not that that has anything to do with you though, of course.
How so? I was just pointing to sloonei that there are so many more votes out right now that asking me something of the sort seems, pointless?
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Prisoner 419713 wrote:Know what's funny? Even if we lynch all the cops we still have the delmea of the dons in that they need to be dead for the other to win.
You think ika was a cop and you're full of typos.
Yes I think ika was a cop. He was seemer who tried to fake a stool pigeon to silver.
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:Is that impossible?
From my perspective it's not impossible. How about your perspective? How likely do you feel that would be?
No idea, honestly. All I'm pretty sure about was that Silverwolf was not a stool pigeon. The rest is total uncertainty.
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:
Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Sloonei wrote: Neither of these are satisfactory answers.
It's a good thing that it doesn't matter then does it?
This is what I mean when I talk about judgment being clouded...

...not that that has anything to do with you though, of course.
How so? I was just pointing to sloonei that there are so many more votes out right now that asking me something of the sort seems, pointless?
It's alarming because when serious questions and concerns are brought up and you say that it doesn't matter or that it's pointless, it raises more concerns about your motives and/or possible bias.
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Sloonei wrote: Neither of these are satisfactory answers.
It's a good thing that it doesn't matter then does it? We still have more votes on them.

Why do you think what im saying is wrong?
I don't think what you're saying is wrong, I just think the answers you gave are incomplete and don't shed any new light on anything. I explained why I think your theory about silverwolf and ika is flawed and you did not address it, and your explanation of your Elohcin "suspicion" was completely void of any substance at all.
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I voted for Eloh, I think there's a very good chance she 's a cop.
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What are your player notes on me 813?
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Prisoner 606386 wrote:
Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:
Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Sloonei wrote: Neither of these are satisfactory answers.
It's a good thing that it doesn't matter then does it?
This is what I mean when I talk about judgment being clouded...

...not that that has anything to do with you though, of course.
How so? I was just pointing to sloonei that there are so many more votes out right now that asking me something of the sort seems, pointless?
It's alarming because when serious questions and concerns are brought up and you say that it doesn't matter or that it's pointless, it raises more concerns about your motives and/or possible bias.
I gave my answers. I can't say much else without breaking rules...

I have never been one to explain well.
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Posting this again in case it got lost in the avalanche of posts that followed it.
Prisoner 813142 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I'll ask this again for the prisoners, since no one seemed to answer the first time: Chaindeath or Elohcin? This is every bit as important a question as the one about soneji/ika.
Elohcin and Serge's vote and participation history match the fingerprints of a "baddie" role on life support. Not voting for RadicalFuzz the day he was lynched, never voting for another "baddie", sporadic participation, and late votes on obvious "baddie" trains. It all looks like a "baddie" ship sinking rapidly.

The only thing that gives me pause is just how convenient it looks given the situation you find yourselves in. Momentum and overconfidence are hard to distinguish at times.
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:ika could have been the real stool pigeon and Soneji could still be town.
How do you figure? I think Soneji quite clearly hinted at himself being the stool pigeon which ika flipped as. If that's not true, then I can't fathom a town motive for Soneji to do that.
I must have missed that. Doesn't that seem unnecessarily risky though?
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:
Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:
Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Sloonei wrote: Neither of these are satisfactory answers.
It's a good thing that it doesn't matter then does it?
This is what I mean when I talk about judgment being clouded...

...not that that has anything to do with you though, of course.
How so? I was just pointing to sloonei that there are so many more votes out right now that asking me something of the sort seems, pointless?
It's alarming because when serious questions and concerns are brought up and you say that it doesn't matter or that it's pointless, it raises more concerns about your motives and/or possible bias.
I gave my answers. I can't say much else without breaking rules...

I have never been one to explain well.
I'm not asking for more explanation, I just don't jive with the idea that it's pointless to ask questions or raise concerns. That's frightening to me.
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Sloonei wrote:
Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Sloonei wrote: Neither of these are satisfactory answers.
It's a good thing that it doesn't matter then does it? We still have more votes on them.

Why do you think what im saying is wrong?
I don't think what you're saying is wrong, I just think the answers you gave are incomplete and don't shed any new light on anything. I explained why I think your theory about silverwolf and ika is flawed and you did not address it, and your explanation of your Elohcin "suspicion" was completely void of any substance at all.
I addressed it in my bigger post, if there are flaws (ie the chance one) I should of already addressed it if i missed one quote it for me.

The suspicions of eloh is from the former me. For obvious reason, I can't say more.
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Prisoner 606386 wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:Is that impossible?
From my perspective it's not impossible. How about your perspective? How likely do you feel that would be?
No idea, honestly. All I'm pretty sure about was that Silverwolf was not a stool pigeon. The rest is total uncertainty.
And I am sure she was. Want to take a bet on it?
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Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:Is that impossible?
From my perspective it's not impossible. How about your perspective? How likely do you feel that would be?
No idea, honestly. All I'm pretty sure about was that Silverwolf was not a stool pigeon. The rest is total uncertainty.
And I am sure she was. Want to take a bet on it?
Betting implies this is a luck-based disagreement when it isn't.
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Prisoner 606386 wrote: I'm not asking for more explanation, I just don't jive with the idea that it's pointless to ask questions or raise concerns. That's frightening to me.
We are at endgame, there shouldn't be much question. It should be a set of "ok these are town we don't touch" and lynch outside of that.

I mean, it's between 3 people everyone concluded. even if we lynch wrong, we get a prisoner out and the dons can't be touched. Cops can't win no matter what angle you take.
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Prisoner 606386 wrote:
Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:Is that impossible?
From my perspective it's not impossible. How about your perspective? How likely do you feel that would be?
No idea, honestly. All I'm pretty sure about was that Silverwolf was not a stool pigeon. The rest is total uncertainty.
And I am sure she was. Want to take a bet on it?
Betting implies this is a luck-based disagreement when it isn't.
So you are admitting silver could be a stool pigeon?
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:
Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:Is that impossible?
From my perspective it's not impossible. How about your perspective? How likely do you feel that would be?
No idea, honestly. All I'm pretty sure about was that Silverwolf was not a stool pigeon. The rest is total uncertainty.
And I am sure she was. Want to take a bet on it?
Betting implies this is a luck-based disagreement when it isn't.
So you are admitting silver could be a stool pigeon?
I've never said that she couldn't, just that I highly doubt it.
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Prisoner 640326 wrote:What are your player notes on me 813?
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Haha that's accurate as hell.
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Aww. You've just set my heart on fire.
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Prisoner 606386 wrote: I've never said that she couldn't, just that I highly doubt it.
How come?
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Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote: I've never said that she couldn't, just that I highly doubt it.
How come?
I have already said why.
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Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote: I've never said that she couldn't, just that I highly doubt it.
How come?
I know you probably said it but I have been eating too so i might of missed it in skimming
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Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote: I've never said that she couldn't, just that I highly doubt it.
How come?
I know you probably said it but I have been eating too so i might of missed it in skimming
Nope, you've already responded to it and everything.
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Prisoner 606386 wrote:
Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Prisoner 419713 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote: I've never said that she couldn't, just that I highly doubt it.
How come?
I know you probably said it but I have been eating too so i might of missed it in skimming
Nope, you've already responded to it and everything.
I did? :haha: :haha:

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813, could you case yourself?
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Turnip Head wrote:ika could have been the real stool pigeon and Soneji could still be town.
How do you figure? I think Soneji quite clearly hinted at himself being the stool pigeon which ika flipped as. If that's not true, then I can't fathom a town motive for Soneji to do that.
I must have missed that. Doesn't that seem unnecessarily risky though?
It kind of does, especially when he was already essentially in the clear (i'm pretty sure he was suspect #3 for all of us with only 2 spots remaining) and the cops essentially can't win. I'm still feeling pretty good about chaindeath & eloh. But I admit I have more doubts about soneji now than I did when I woke up this morning. None of my questions can be answered by anyone other than him and silverwolf, though.
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Also I'm off to work now until midnight, and then i'm back at that tomorrow morning so I'm not likely to provide much content for the next 24 hours. Keep up this discussion, prisoners. I like it. And don't forget: 2 cops are left. The only 3 possible suspects are chaindeath, Elohcin, and Soneji.
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Re: [DAY 12] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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If Soneji was going to fake claim the role of a lyncdhed player, he'd be better off claiming the role of a lynched townie than the same one that his Seemer teammate claims, which leaves open the possibility that the real townie is still alive and can call BS.
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chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath is fine with Sloonei being warden. Soneji and Elo are likely the cops that are remaining. And to preemptively stop the OMG he changed his mind on Nero. It happens. In light of Epi's flip as a cop and some of the conversation leading up to and in the time between days chaindeath has an idea. Epi kept pushing for the two of us to be lynched and if Nero was his teammate that probably wouldn't be a smart thing to do. What would happen if the town rallied to chaindeath's side and we ended up lynching him and loosing the game from it. He'll be keeping an eye on Nero but for the moment he seems like he could be town.
It looks like Chaindeath planted this to avoid suspicion. Could it be that he is the master cop with Elohcin absent in btsc, leaving it up to himself to kill?
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Prisoner 419713 wrote:813, could you case yourself?

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Re: [NIGHT 11] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

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Prisoner 829579 wrote:
chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath is fine with Sloonei being warden. Soneji and Elo are likely the cops that are remaining. And to preemptively stop the OMG he changed his mind on Nero. It happens. In light of Epi's flip as a cop and some of the conversation leading up to and in the time between days chaindeath has an idea. Epi kept pushing for the two of us to be lynched and if Nero was his teammate that probably wouldn't be a smart thing to do. What would happen if the town rallied to chaindeath's side and we ended up lynching him and loosing the game from it. He'll be keeping an eye on Nero but for the moment he seems like he could be town.
It looks like Chaindeath planted this to avoid suspicion. Could it be that he is the master cop with Elohcin absent in btsc, leaving it up to himself to kill?
My theory has been that if Eloh and chain are the remaining cops, eloh is the chief because Epi would have been bussing chaindeath really hard while protecting Eloh from suspicion. The chief is the role he'd want to keep alive, not the beat cop.

But this is pure speculation and can easily be completely wrong.
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