The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:46 am @Logic hello we know u tracker pls track Oddmerta tonite game is won btw u dont have to read anything if u dont want to

FUCKING HELL TUTUU YOU RUINED MY DERPCLEAR LOGIC PLAN GOD DAMN IT

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:46 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:42 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:41 am any mech reason to clear odd?

Oddmerta softed Herm's role to him and it made Herm townread him.

so from my understanding of events this is what happened.

1) herm says "all townies in my album will get notified"

2) herm claims to have checked a few albums

3) I say "hold on, you checked my album, I didn't get anything"

4) herm says "sorry I misread my role card, I meant a random townie"

5) odd says "herm is telling the truth. I got notified. herm is town."

so odd can be scum here whiteknighting a townie and pretending to have gotten notified, since by the time step 5) is around, odd already has all the info he needs to make that false claim. if he thinks herm is going to flip, he might say this for towncred.

Incorrect. Oddmerta specifically referenced Lotus Flower in a cryptic post. Herm thought he was town because of it. My assumption is that the message one got from Herm's notification was lyrics of the song or something and that's what Oddmerta posted?

I am so mad at tutuu right now i cannot even

Imagine if Logic just saw me ask him to claim and was just like "oh I'm a cop" or some shit and it was like lol got em

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:50 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:46 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:42 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:41 am any mech reason to clear odd?

Oddmerta softed Herm's role to him and it made Herm townread him.

so from my understanding of events this is what happened.

1) herm says "all townies in my album will get notified"

2) herm claims to have checked a few albums

3) I say "hold on, you checked my album, I didn't get anything"

4) herm says "sorry I misread my role card, I meant a random townie"

5) odd says "herm is telling the truth. I got notified. herm is town."

so odd can be scum here whiteknighting a townie and pretending to have gotten notified, since by the time step 5) is around, odd already has all the info he needs to make that false claim. if he thinks herm is going to flip, he might say this for towncred.

Incorrect. Oddmerta specifically referenced Lotus Flower in a cryptic post. Herm thought he was town because of it. My assumption is that the message one got from Herm's notification was lyrics of the song or something and that's what Oddmerta posted?

oh hmm

I missed that

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:50 am I am so mad at tutuu right now i cannot even

i actually thought your OTT reaction to tutuu was an attempt to make logic believe tutuu is trying to bait them into thinking their claimed role is tracker when it's not and claim something else instead

[mention]Oddmerta[/mention] details on how you were notified about herm's check, please.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:52 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:50 am I am so mad at tutuu right now i cannot even

i actually thought your OTT reaction to tutuu was an attempt to make logic believe tutuu is trying to bait them into thinking their claimed role is tracker when it's not and claim something else instead

Well if it was even that plan is now ruined

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:53 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:52 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:50 am I am so mad at tutuu right now i cannot even

i actually thought your OTT reaction to tutuu was an attempt to make logic believe tutuu is trying to bait them into thinking their claimed role is tracker when it's not and claim something else instead

Well if it was even that plan is now ruined

imagine losing to this circus of a towncore as scum

[mention]Poison Chan[/mention] please check if tedxtr is the song Optimistic from the album Kid A tonight, thanks.

ted has claimed optimistic from Kid A and herm has verified there are 0 scum in Kid A. we know poison is town because she exposed the mafia role cop very early on. If poison confirms that ted is telling the truth, then ted has to be town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:46 am The funny business from n1 with Tim roleblocking bs is you two. If Ted isn't mafia then you have to be imo. I don't see how you can both be town.

*intense fart noises*

I don't know how Tim got blocked or whatever, but I didn't claim that for fun, it's just what happened.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:20 am

Herm wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:38 pm To start off, my role sounds a bit similar to Poison's role, but I assume it's not entirely the same.

I'm some kind of Song Cop.

I scan albums each night, looking for roles.

N1 I scanned the Amnesiac Album, but I didn't get any results. I'm supposed to get results if there's any scum roles on this album. If town is on this album they should be notified of my search. Not sure how this works tbh.

N2 I scanned Kid A. No results this time either. So I assume there's no scum on this album.

My role also has this Day 1 thing tailored to it, that if I don't have any votes at EOD of D1, then I'm bp for N1.

I was successful, but I think I was too scummy to be targeted N1 lol.

Ok so Herm is town, I know it. We need to get rid of Dyachei for faking tracker results

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:25 am And a townie from that album gets notified of tbe search

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:27 am Best to start thinking of a world where Herm is town amd dyachei is scum

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:29 am

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:27 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:25 am And a townie from that album gets notified of tbe search

The thing that confuses me is why no townies have been notified of the first two searches. Didn't LC say he had not been notified yet is one of the albums?

Anyway, I'm off to workout and try to clear my mind.

Maybe a townie did get notified but didn't understand what it meant until now

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:31 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:30 am

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:28 am Yes, but it is randomized. So only one townie on an album gets notified of the search.

Lol.

I commend you trying, but like no. =p

I think he is telling the truth

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:33 am

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:31 am Kid A could've been Hally.

But someone from the Amnesiac Album should've been notified.

Remember when I asked you to check King of Limbs and then it turns out you are from King of Limbs

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:37 am

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:35 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:33 am

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:31 am Kid A could've been Hally.

But someone from the Amnesiac Album should've been notified.

Remember when I asked you to check King of Limbs and then it turns out you are from King of Limbs

I was gonna save it for last for that very reason, but went group decision lol.

And yes, I do. We know it's clear though.

Can you guess why I asked you to check King of Limbs?

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:46 am I'm using flowery language to get my point across

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:49 am I appreciate the use of flowery language. It makes me feel at home lol.

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:51 am [VOTE: Dyachie] aubergine

I changed my vote to dyachei.

Oddmerta is town.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:56 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:46 am The funny business from n1 with Tim roleblocking bs is you two. If Ted isn't mafia then you have to be imo. I don't see how you can both be town.

*intense fart noises*

I don't know how Tim got blocked or whatever, but I didn't claim that for fun, it's just what happened.

So from your perspective Tedxtr should be the lockest of lock right?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:57 amSo from your perspective Tedxtr should be the lockest of lock right?

No? But he'll get tracked this night anyway.

if there's a difference check between dizzy and ted then just let poison lie cop ted and we'll resolve that slot by tomorrow. if they want to roleblock freaking poison while investigatives and protectives go on a rampage all over the town then more power to them.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:49 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:46 am @Logic hello we know u tracker pls track Oddmerta tonite game is won btw u dont have to read anything if u dont want to

FUCKING HELL TUTUU YOU RUINED MY DERPCLEAR LOGIC PLAN GOD DAMN IT

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:56 am ted has claimed optimistic from Kid A and herm has verified there are 0 scum in Kid A. we know poison is town because she exposed the mafia role cop very early on. If poison confirms that ted is telling the truth, then ted has to be town.

And you're gonna check Poison Chan just to be sure right? Lol.

There are two songs on the Kings of Limbs album that reference flowers actually. Kind of.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:58 am if there's a difference check between dizzy and ted then just let poison lie cop ted and we'll resolve that slot by tomorrow. if they want to roleblock freaking poison while investigatives and protectives go on a rampage all over the town then more power to them.

[mention]juliets[/mention] target Poison Chan plz

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:54 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:53 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:52 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:50 am I am so mad at tutuu right now i cannot even

i actually thought your OTT reaction to tutuu was an attempt to make logic believe tutuu is trying to bait them into thinking their claimed role is tracker when it's not and claim something else instead

Well if it was even that plan is now ruined

imagine losing to this circus of a towncore as scum

LOL

I guess like Oddmerta could have just staged that whole thing based on having Herm's role information from Samu's rolecop and putting two and two together. But the way he did it seems pretty townie to me.

And he wants Dyachei to be dead, Herm agreed.

Can't Poison check Oddmerta? He softed King of Limbs, so if he's a song from there, and that album has no scum according to Herm.

So we can check Oddmerta.
I can check Ted by tracking him.
Alison can check me if she wants.
Logic can check a fourth.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:58 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:56 am ted has claimed optimistic from Kid A and herm has verified there are 0 scum in Kid A. we know poison is town because she exposed the mafia role cop very early on. If poison confirms that ted is telling the truth, then ted has to be town.

And you're gonna check Poison Chan just to be sure right? Lol.

actually not too sure who to cop. could be dyachei since we have no info on that slot. could be SPF just to calm the tinfoil down but I really don't think she'll cop as anything but green so if I'm going for a gut shot I'll go for dyachei.

I think poison is pretty likely to be just town since she exposed samu for no reason early on. also I don't really buy that 2/3 song cop claims are scum, and she has been pretty transparent about her role unlike samu who claimed he had roleclaim restrictions

Angleshooting but I doubt Dyachei subs out as the last mafia here even if she has the champs game to play. It's just too harsh to whoever takes the sub spot imo lol.

Yeah, maybe it's actually Dya. But she does have a tracker. If that is the case she got lucky with Herm targeting MR lol

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:01 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:58 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:56 am ted has claimed optimistic from Kid A and herm has verified there are 0 scum in Kid A. we know poison is town because she exposed the mafia role cop very early on. If poison confirms that ted is telling the truth, then ted has to be town.

And you're gonna check Poison Chan just to be sure right? Lol.

actually not too sure who to cop. could be dyachei since we have no info on that slot. could be SPF just to calm the tinfoil down but I really don't think she'll cop as anything but green so if I'm going for a gut shot I'll go for dyachei.

I think poison is pretty likely to be just town since she exposed samu for no reason early on. also I don't really buy that 2/3 song cop claims are scum, and she has been pretty transparent about her role unlike samu who claimed he had roleclaim restrictions

PC has pretty high 3p equity imo.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:01 am Can't Poison check Oddmerta? He softed King of Limbs, so if he's a song from there, and that album has no scum according to Herm.

So we can check Oddmerta.
I can check Ted by tracking him.
Alison can check me if she wants.
Logic can check a fourth.

poison checks in the form of "is it true that X is the song Y", not a straight song cop. I'm not going to force oddmerta to out his claim since if mac is correct he has good town equity and might be soft cleared.

Alison, why don't you cop me?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:01 am Angleshooting but I doubt Dyachei subs out as the last mafia here even if she has the champs game to play. It's just too harsh to whoever takes the sub spot imo lol.

can we not

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:02 am Alison, why don't you cop me?

mac seems convinced there's a difference check between you and ted and ted is getting copped tonight so it seems like a waste

Well i was actually was "notting" because I was gonna do the opposite and then backtracked lol.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:02 ampoison checks in the form of "is it true that X is the song Y", not a straight song cop. I'm not going to force oddmerta to out his claim since if mac is correct he has good town equity and might be soft cleared.

I disagree. And I also think he softed his song already. Why don't we just want the check? We don't even know if anything terrible happens if songs are claimed. Though, to be fair, they probably do lol.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:03 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:02 am Alison, why don't you cop me?

mac seems convinced there's a difference check between you and ted and ted is getting copped tonight so it seems like a waste

If we lose this game because Sloonei had the smarts to put two mafia songs on one record imma be hecka mad

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:02 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:01 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:58 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:56 am ted has claimed optimistic from Kid A and herm has verified there are 0 scum in Kid A. we know poison is town because she exposed the mafia role cop very early on. If poison confirms that ted is telling the truth, then ted has to be town.

And you're gonna check Poison Chan just to be sure right? Lol.

actually not too sure who to cop. could be dyachei since we have no info on that slot. could be SPF just to calm the tinfoil down but I really don't think she'll cop as anything but green so if I'm going for a gut shot I'll go for dyachei.

I think poison is pretty likely to be just town since she exposed samu for no reason early on. also I don't really buy that 2/3 song cop claims are scum, and she has been pretty transparent about her role unlike samu who claimed he had roleclaim restrictions

PC has pretty high 3p equity imo.

PC has been townie on play, has cooperated fully with the town, and has no reason to randomly out the mafia rolecop D2 and then also randomly hard confirm radishes for no reason. what 3P townsides that hard in that situation?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:03 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:02 am Alison, why don't you cop me?

mac seems convinced there's a difference check between you and ted and ted is getting copped tonight so it seems like a waste

I don't understand what you're saying. Come again?

Oddmerta can't claim. That'll extend to being unable to claim his song imo.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:04 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:02 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:01 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:58 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:56 am ted has claimed optimistic from Kid A and herm has verified there are 0 scum in Kid A. we know poison is town because she exposed the mafia role cop very early on. If poison confirms that ted is telling the truth, then ted has to be town.

And you're gonna check Poison Chan just to be sure right? Lol.

actually not too sure who to cop. could be dyachei since we have no info on that slot. could be SPF just to calm the tinfoil down but I really don't think she'll cop as anything but green so if I'm going for a gut shot I'll go for dyachei.

I think poison is pretty likely to be just town since she exposed samu for no reason early on. also I don't really buy that 2/3 song cop claims are scum, and she has been pretty transparent about her role unlike samu who claimed he had roleclaim restrictions

PC has pretty high 3p equity imo.

PC has been townie on play, has cooperated fully with the town, and has no reason to randomly out the mafia rolecop D2 and then also randomly hard confirm radishes for no reason. what 3P townsides that hard in that situation?

Most 3ps townside hard in that situation, or any. To scumside as 3p here would be to get flipped by the town lol.

3p "townsiding" completely depends on what type of player, their play style and random circumstances. Nobody is a robot that plays an X percentage town or mafia siding as 3p. That reason is silly to me.

odd is just scum cuz of his day 5 posts

it was wolf trolling the town whos getting mad imo

like "so how are u guys enjoying the game"

or "ted are u ok buddy"

its just what wolves do

im very smart so he has to be mafia

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:04 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:03 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:02 am Alison, why don't you cop me?

mac seems convinced there's a difference check between you and ted and ted is getting copped tonight so it seems like a waste

I don't understand what you're saying. Come again?

according to mac, either you or ted is lying. that means one person between you and ted is scum.

ted is getting investigated tonight by poison chan's lie detector.

therefore, if mac is correct, investigating ted is the same as investigating you, and there is no need to waste a cop check on you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:05 am Most 3ps townside hard in that situation, or any. To scumside as 3p here would be to get flipped by the town lol.

how the hell do you win then? like if the town runs a train over the mafia how exactly do you plan to win?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:05 am 3p "townsiding" completely depends on what type of player, their play style and random circumstances. Nobody is a robot that plays an X percentage town or mafia siding as 3p. That reason is silly to me.

I mean optimal 3P play (assuming your win con is hostile to both town and mafia, like an SK) involves siding with whoever is losing, because you don't want one side to crush the other and then come after you, you want to keep both town and mafia busy with each other while you slowly take control

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:45 pm Samusamu is one.

I don't really know about anyone else rn.

It would be one of Dizzie/Wigly. But Wigly was cleared by Poison.

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] are you the last mafia being a maniac?

i dont understand why there has to be 1 wolf in dizzy and ted. come again? based on day talk they are both so towny

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:05 am Most 3ps townside hard in that situation, or any. To scumside as 3p here would be to get flipped by the town lol.

how the hell do you win then? like if the town runs a train over the mafia how exactly do you plan to win?

By achieving whatever wincon is stated in your role that being flipped by the town is extremely not compatible with?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:07 am

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:45 pm Samusamu is one.

I don't really know about anyone else rn.

It would be one of Dizzie/Wigly. But Wigly was cleared by Poison.

@Dyslexicon are you the last mafia being a maniac?

if dizzy is the last mafia then he's the godfather or similar trying to bait a cop check. but I think there's some chance dizzy is just town and ted is scum who was praying poison was out of shots or who plans to roleblock poison or something.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:05 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:04 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:03 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:02 am Alison, why don't you cop me?

mac seems convinced there's a difference check between you and ted and ted is getting copped tonight so it seems like a waste

I don't understand what you're saying. Come again?

according to mac, either you or ted is lying. that means one person between you and ted is scum.

ted is getting investigated tonight by poison chan's lie detector.

therefore, if mac is correct, investigating ted is the same as investigating you, and there is no need to waste a cop check on you.

Why "according to Mac"? What do YOU thin, Alison?

An that is bullshit. Mac is a doll, but he's making fart noises there. I don't know Ted's alignment, but it's entirely possible that Tim was blocked that night and thus didn't perform his action.

Why is Ted getting investigated by Poison though? I mean, sure. But I'll also track him unless you want me to holster.

I want to know what you think, and not "If Mac is right", cause I'm town no matter Ted's alignment. This is a classic get two town for the price of one if Ted is town. Tell me why I've made the claims I have and gotten the results I have if I was mafia here. It's just a big nope. I don't care all that much, since we probably have time, but it's kind of just bad logic.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:14 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:11 pm me and hally are both lock town because of one specific post that nutella made. i'll explain later. maybe.

No need. And you aren't alone. There are an actual plague of confirms. I believe all the below names are town.

Alison
ColinIsCool
DrWilgy
dyachei
Hally
Long Con
Oddmerta
Samusamu
staypositivefriend
tedxtr
tutuu

Juliets and Dyslexicon are a tier on their own as they were both openly opposed to nutella but in a way that I feel can be distancing/bussing.

reeeee how did you get into my confirms you scum guy!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:07 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:05 am Most 3ps townside hard in that situation, or any. To scumside as 3p here would be to get flipped by the town lol.

how the hell do you win then? like if the town runs a train over the mafia how exactly do you plan to win?

By achieving whatever wincon is stated in your role that being flipped by the town is extremely not compatible with?

well if the town isn't distracted by the mafia and are spending all their time looking for you then you're done for, unless your role is so strong you can survive a 1v9 or something even with multiple clears (which poison actively contributed to by clearing radish) which seems imbalanced.

also my cop doesn't cop 3P, it only cops mafia. so if you think PC has 3P equity then asking me to cop her is pointless.