Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:56 pm
mafia ploy is ridiculous, do I seem smart enough to you to come up with that as a mafia ploy?
I don't know who's wearing your skin, Leo, or how smart someone has to be to do that.
However, I am leaning in the direction you're urging me to lean. Nobody experiences more mind changes and epiphanies than I do.
Let me rephrase -- do I seem like a good enough Mafia player to come up with that, specifically as a mafia ploy? Based on all that responses to me in this game so far, I would like to think that answer is easily no.
Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:59 pm
The move to self vote was to show that even when thought of as mafia, I am still attempting to be a team player in this crucial moment. You all have said to be here for EOD and that a majority is needed, etc, etc. So even as the knife twists into old Leo, here he is, voting with the team.
Obviously it was a mistake.
Teamwork is the most important element of most civilian wins. If you're truthful then your heart is in the right place. However, you can always make an exception for yourself. Literally every other player, even the claimed power roles, ought to be more likely to be scum than you are. You've only seen your own role card!
If you're bullshitting though, that's a pretty lame move in its own right.
My heart is in the right place. Chalk it up to senility for Leo, and unacceptable ignorance to me as the person playing Leo.
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:05 pm
by Principal Skinner
"Fish slap" was a mistake for anyone trying to read into what Leo means by fish slapping.
That last statement, "Well, hopefully we'll find out" was in response to my eleventh hour accusation of Jackie. That makes me think Jackie was not wanting Peterman lynched, but was resigned to his fate and hoped he could save himself and lynch ME for saving Peterman (who I think is mafia because of this interaction).
That's how I read that.
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:11 pm
by Paul Stevens
Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:23 pm
Regarding this, would you say that this makes sense following my reveal of this being a pressure vote or not? How was my vote supposed to be transparent, when I had no real reason for it other than for observation? I want to know why you are valuing transparency here as it seems to be irrelevant to me.
Your vote would have been transparent if you said up front that it was for pressure, rather than for some unspecified reason about Peterman's 7 posts that had been "said already." I'm valuing transparency because mafia have more reasons to lie in this game.
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:12 pm
by Julinook
I can understand that, [mention]Elaine Benes[/mention]. One immediate concern I have is that if true, that'd strike me as a net negative move for Jackie Con to make. Even if he succeeds by lynching mafia Peterman instead of himself and then lynching you next, you're then revealed as a tracker and he's dead meat. Is that a likely maneuver for him to pursue?
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:14 pm
by Spooky Ghost
Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:12 pm
I can understand that, @Elaine Benes. One immediate concern I have is that if true, that'd strike me as a net negative move for Jackie Con to make. Even if he succeeds by lynching mafia Peterman instead of himself and then lynching you next, you're then revealed as a tracker and he's dead meat. Is that a likely maneuver for him to pursue?
Are you saying Peterman is in no way mafia now? Or just in that hypothesis?
Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:12 pm
I can understand that, @Elaine Benes. One immediate concern I have is that if true, that'd strike me as a net negative move for Jackie Con to make. Even if he succeeds by lynching mafia Peterman instead of himself and then lynching you next, you're then revealed as a tracker and he's dead meat. Is that a likely maneuver for him to pursue?
Are you saying Peterman is in no way mafia now? Or just in that hypothesis?
The latter. I can see perhaps an alternate scenario where Jackie just voted Peterman because it was the obvious, self-preservation on the table and the only believable vote he could make (regardless of whether Peterman is on his team).
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:18 pm
by Nicol Bolas
The "mention" feature is awful. Please stop using it.
I think Jackie didn't know what to do when I exposed him. Were Peterman another goon, Jackie could just vote him and be done with it. What if Peterman was the Godfather, and Jackie didn't want to see him go, but didn't want to go either? Remember that Peterman wasn't around to change his vote. That can put a teammate under a lot of "What do I do?" kind of pressure.
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:19 pm
by Nicol Bolas
I think you give the mafia too much credit, Jerry.
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:20 pm
by Spooky Ghost
And did Tim Whatley in no way sway your opinion about him with his contributions today?
At this point he had previously named three suspects -- the Costanzas and Elaine. So his Peterman vote was just the self-preservation opportunity I think. Moreover, he had not contributed to that Peterman wagon before (and prior to Elaine's hard claim it looked like Peterman was going down). Jackie's failure to comment on Peterman otherwise, or contribute to that wagon, to me looks like a mafioso keeping his distance from a mislynch. Had Peterman been his teammate, he had opportunities there to fish for credit with accusations against Peterman or even defend him outright -- something. I think that makes Peterman look a bit better.
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:21 pm
by Julinook
George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:20 pm
And did Tim Whatley in no way sway your opinion about him with his contributions today?
He swayed them less than you and Leo have. Frank hasn't done much to move me either. I'm kind of banking on the chance that someone else is the godfather and can clear him. He's a top suspect though.
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:22 pm
by Paul Stevens
It looks like nobody else is going on George, so I'll switch to Whatley. I can see the argument for him being bad, even though my gut says he's not. And obviously my gut has been wrong on several different occasions this game.
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:23 pm
by Julinook
Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:19 pm
I think you give the mafia too much credit, Jerry.
Could be. Is there a living teammate for Peterman that you think fits the paradigm?
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:24 pm
by Julinook
Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:22 pm
It looks like nobody else is going on George, so I'll switch to Whatley. I can see the argument for him being bad, even though my gut says he's not. And obviously my gut has been wrong on several different occasions this game.
Is there anyone for whom you cannot see the argument for their being bad? Disregard Elaine, Steinbrenner, and I.
George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:20 pm
And did Tim Whatley in no way sway your opinion about him with his contributions today?
He swayed them less than you and Leo have. Frank hasn't done much to move me either. I'm kind of banking on the chance that someone else is the godfather and can clear him. He's a top suspect though.
if Whatley is innocent, who would you lynch tomorrow?
At this point he had previously named three suspects -- the Costanzas and Elaine. So his Peterman vote was just the self-preservation opportunity I think. Moreover, he had not contributed to that Peterman wagon before (and prior to Elaine's hard claim it looked like Peterman was going down). Jackie's failure to comment on Peterman otherwise, or contribute to that wagon, to me looks like a mafioso keeping his distance from a mislynch. Had Peterman been his teammate, he had opportunities there to fish for credit with accusations against Peterman or even defend him outright -- something. I think that makes Peterman look a bit better.
Well, forgive me Jerry, if I don't trust your judgment. You were Jackie Chile's bowling partner a few days ago.
Vote J. Peterman
I think your paradigm of what's going on in this whole deal is way off. I think Jackie was the only person on his team really paying attention (unless you're on his team, of course), so I wouldn't put too much effort in trying to figure out their strategy. I think the mafia just are no good at what they do. Like men.
George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:20 pm
And did Tim Whatley in no way sway your opinion about him with his contributions today?
He swayed them less than you and Leo have. Frank hasn't done much to move me either. I'm kind of banking on the chance that someone else is the godfather and can clear him. He's a top suspect though.
if Whatley is innocent, who would you lynch tomorrow?
The remaining two names in my then two-man POE would be Leo and Frank. I'd do a full reassessment before committing to that though, because I'm going to discard suspicion of the guy with 14 posts or you either. Who would you lynch?
At this point he had previously named three suspects -- the Costanzas and Elaine. So his Peterman vote was just the self-preservation opportunity I think. Moreover, he had not contributed to that Peterman wagon before (and prior to Elaine's hard claim it looked like Peterman was going down). Jackie's failure to comment on Peterman otherwise, or contribute to that wagon, to me looks like a mafioso keeping his distance from a mislynch. Had Peterman been his teammate, he had opportunities there to fish for credit with accusations against Peterman or even defend him outright -- something. I think that makes Peterman look a bit better.
Well, forgive me Jerry, if I don't trust your judgment. You were Jackie Chile's bowling partner a few days ago.
Vote J. Peterman
I think your paradigm of what's going on in this whole deal is way off. I think Jackie was the only person on his team really paying attention (unless you're on his team, of course), so I wouldn't put too much effort in trying to figure out their strategy. I think the mafia just are no good at what they do. Like men.
Would this imply Peterman and Leo then? Who else doesn't know what they're doing?
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:29 pm
by Spooky Ghost
Frank and Peterman if Whatley is innocent.
Leo's meltdown was too dramatic and extreme to be scum I think.
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:30 pm
by Celeste
K I'm cop, Leo's a Mafioso. I haven't used my 2nd check. This is why Elaine s claim game spooked me.
At this point he had previously named three suspects -- the Costanzas and Elaine. So his Peterman vote was just the self-preservation opportunity I think. Moreover, he had not contributed to that Peterman wagon before (and prior to Elaine's hard claim it looked like Peterman was going down). Jackie's failure to comment on Peterman otherwise, or contribute to that wagon, to me looks like a mafioso keeping his distance from a mislynch. Had Peterman been his teammate, he had opportunities there to fish for credit with accusations against Peterman or even defend him outright -- something. I think that makes Peterman look a bit better.
Well, forgive me Jerry, if I don't trust your judgment. You were Jackie Chile's bowling partner a few days ago.
Vote J. Peterman
I think your paradigm of what's going on in this whole deal is way off. I think Jackie was the only person on his team really paying attention (unless you're on his team, of course), so I wouldn't put too much effort in trying to figure out their strategy. I think the mafia just are no good at what they do. Like men.
Would this imply Peterman and Leo then? Who else doesn't know what they're doing?
I think that's reasonable, or Peterman and Whatley. I think Whatley falls into that category too. He was just around last minute, but hadn't been much around before.
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:31 pm
by Celeste
I planned to reveal earlier if needed but work got in the way.
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:31 pm
by Nicol Bolas
Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:30 pm
K I'm cop, Leo's a Mafioso. I haven't used my 2nd check. This is why Elaine s claim game spooked me.
I see.
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:31 pm
by Spooky Ghost
......the fudge
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:31 pm
by Julinook
Whatley, what about Steinbrenner man. What about him.
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:32 pm
by Nicol Bolas
If Whatley is the cop, "Big Stein" and "Uncle Leo" are in for a beautiful surprise vacation together.
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:32 pm
by Spooky Ghost
There can't be 2 cops
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:32 pm
by Julinook
Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:32 pm
If Whatley is the cop, "Big Stein" and "Uncle Leo" are in for a beautiful surprise vacation together.
I mean, yeah. That'd be ballgame. Wouldn't that be spicy.
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:33 pm
by Nicol Bolas
George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:32 pm
There can't be 2 cops
You are so bald.
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:33 pm
by Celeste
Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:31 pm
Whatley, what about Steinbrenner man. What about him.
I thought he was covering 4 me
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:33 pm
by Tangrowth
Day 4 Vote Tally
Elaine Benes
0
No votes
Voters: None
Frank Costanza
1
10%
Voters: George Costanza
George Costanza
0
No votes
Voters: None
George Steinbrenner
0
No votes
Voters: None
J Peterman
1
10%
Voters: Elaine Benes
Jerry Seinfeld
0
No votes
Voters: None
Tim Whatley
5
50%
Voters: Uncle Leo, Frank Costanza, George Steinbrenner, Jerry Seinfeld, J Peterman
Uncle Leo
1
10%
Voters: Tim Whatley
*UNVOTE*
0
No votes
Voters: None
*NO LYNCH*
0
No votes
Voters: None
Larry Thomas (host, deadies, non-players)
2
20%
Voters: NewTraditionalist, MovingPictures07
Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:22 pm
It looks like nobody else is going on George, so I'll switch to Whatley. I can see the argument for him being bad, even though my gut says he's not. And obviously my gut has been wrong on several different occasions this game.
Is there anyone for whom you cannot see the argument for their being bad? Disregard Elaine, Steinbrenner, and I.
Other than me? I think Peterman is having fun roleplaying and isn't worried enough to be mafia. Anyone else is fair game, particularly Leo for that self-vote nonsense.
Linki: WTH?
Linki: And my gut was wrong! Hooray for listening to people!
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:36 pm
by Julinook
lol
Thanks for making it a funny exit, Whalgy. Frank is no longer ID'd.
Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:22 pm
It looks like nobody else is going on George, so I'll switch to Whatley. I can see the argument for him being bad, even though my gut says he's not. And obviously my gut has been wrong on several different occasions this game.
Is there anyone for whom you cannot see the argument for their being bad? Disregard Elaine, Steinbrenner, and I.
Other than me? I think Peterman is having fun roleplaying and isn't worried enough to be mafia. Anyone else is fair game, particularly Leo for that self-vote nonsense.
Linki: WTH?
Linki: And my gut was wrong! Hooray for listening to people!
My (very wrong, won't be repeated) self-vote nonsense helped get votes off me and onto a mafioso.
gg all