The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:01 pm**

Uhh keep in mind a tie is a no elim

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:02 pm**

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:03 pm**

[VOTE: Wigly] aubergine

Sorry, but it's our best guess and I think we need this.

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:04 pm**

I'mma unvote in a minute if nothing changes

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:04 pm**

I'mma unvote in a minute if nothing changes

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:04 pm**

Okay something changed, good.

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:04 pm**

It's not a tie

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:05 pm**

Isn't eod like 5 minutes ago?

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:05 pm**

Oh lord I hope Wilgys bad I voted for the tie but it is what it is

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:37 pm**

FISH OUT OF WATER

Robbie spent the day trying very hard to refrain from peeking out his hotel window. He also spent the day failing miserably at that goal.

In his rush to escape from his hotel room in Havana, Robbie had the bare minimum of smarts enough to grab as much of his winnings from the casino as possible. In Honduras, this set him up handsomely in a rather unassuming hotel.

Going out for food would be the most dangerous part of his day, but he had at least picked up a few things at a market the day he spoke to his father. It was far from the Michelin-star restaurants he was used to dining in with his father’s circle of elite friends, but it would get the job done for at least the next two days. If those CIA guys didn’t find him in the next 48 hours, however, Robbie would have to literally stick his neck out there.

Every time he heard a commotion outside, adrenaline made his heart rate redline. Today, none of that racket amounted to anything, and he was able to drink some cheap liquor to steady his nerves each time. It was far from the champagne at black-tie events, but it served its purpose.

Late in the day he watched as what he assumed was a police officer swooped in on a guy who never saw it coming. He dragged the guy over to his car and tossed him in the back seat. With the windows down, Robbie could hear both of them yelling at each other in Spanish. It was too fast for him to understand any of it.

Robbie missed clean water; he missed air conditioning; but he was still safe for now.

--------------------

DRWILGY HAS BEEN ELIMINATED.

HE WAS VANILLA TOWN.

IT IS NOW NIGHT 1.

NIGHT 1 WILL LAST UNTIL APPROXIMATELY 9:00 P.M. EST TOMORROW.

THE GAME THREAD WILL REMAIN LOCKED UNTIL THEN.

NIGHT POWER AND KILL TARGETS ARE DUE TO ME BY 8:00 P.M. EST TOMORROW.

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:50 pm**

Just a few housekeeping notes to alert you fine folks to:

1) I will add ISO links to each player's name in the OP shortly. I apologize for not remembering to take care of that as Night 0 and Day 1 progressed.

2) This is a good time to explain a little bit about the flavor posts you will read during the course of the game. Flavor makes the game experience more interesting, but the narrative fleshed out in day and night phase posts will only ever speak to the person being eliminated or killed. There will be nothing for you to glean about other players from these posts. In this Day 1 post, for example, the only player that the flavor actually speaks to is DrWilgy, aka the guy taken away by the cop. The cop is just a narrative device used to remove the dying player; you should not read anything into it about any of the players on DrWilgy's vote train. Some of you who know me from long ago might remember that I used to include game-relevant information into my flavor posts, but this is not something that I do anymore. Flavor should not and will not help you solve the game. Only your efforts can do that.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:06 pm**

BRINKMANSHIP

“What’s the play now?” Money asked.

“Guns is going to stay in La Curva tomorrow,” Lawyers replied, “just in case junior gets any bright ideas about heading south. Our safe house has a pretty good view of anything and anyone trying to get by. You and I are going to cover Buenos Aires. It’s a lot of ground to cover, but if we can find a few more kind and helpful locals, it shouldn’t be a problem.” He said this last part slowly and over-annunciated while motioning to the two men they were walking with.

Manuel and Francisco looked uneasy. The American men paid well, but something seemed off. The trio kept a low profile and made both of them do most of the talking. They also seemed to try to hide in a crowd whenever local police were present. They were hiding something.

“No mas,” Manuel said, stopping in the street. “No mas, por favor.”

“But Manuel,” Lawyers said slowly, “what about our deal? Acuerdo?”

“Por favor señor, no más acuerdo. No quiero tu dinero.”

“That’s too bad,” Money said.

Guns grabbed Manuel from behind and choked him in the crook of his elbow.

“You want this?” Lawyers asked Francisco.

“No señor,” Francisco muttered.

“Then play ball, okay? Haz lo que decimos.”

“Sí, sí.”

“Finish this one off so Francisco understands just what’s at stake here,” Lawyers growled.

Guns snapped Manuel's neck. Francisco got the message. So did the locals who found Manuel’s body in the alley at daybreak.

--------------------------------

MARMOT HAS BEEN KILLED. HE WAS VANILLA TOWN.

IT IS NOW DAY 2. YOU HAVE 48 HOURS TO ELIMINATE SOMEONE.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:10 pm**

Housekeeping notes:

1) I will add a screenshot of the Day 1 poll to the 'Polls' section of the OP momentarily.

2) @Roxy has been stripped of her vote today for self-voting during Day 1.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:13 pm**

Rip Marmot.

Holy bad countertrain. Wth guys??

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:15 pm**

Yeaaaa I'm at either Sean or Golden or SVS contains a wolf.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:15 pm**

Also. Lucy

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:15 pm**

I miss @Marmot we aren't destined a game together are we

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:17 pm**

Yeah not me I was trying for the tie which means no death.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:17 pm**

[VOTE: Sabi] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:19 pm**

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

I guess we dome huh

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:19 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:15 pm Yeaaaa I'm at either Sean or Golden or SVS contains a wolf.

I though Sean was bad yesterday, and this certainly didn't help. Also, Golden... I'm having a hard time trusting you this game. Despite this mess, I still think both svs and Dennis are civ. Who else was on the train? Gotta go look.

I'm going to read through Wilgy and Marmot and see if I catch anything.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:20 pm**

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:19 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:15 pm Yeaaaa I'm at either Sean or Golden or SVS contains a wolf.
I though Sean was bad yesterday, and this certainly didn't help. Also, Golden... I'm having a hard time trusting you this game. Despite this mess, I still think both svs and Dennis are civ. Who else was on the train? Gotta go look.

I'm going to read through Wilgy and Marmot and see if I catch anything.

Why do you still think we're good?

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:20 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:19 pm [VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

I guess we dome huh

No, doming is anti-town.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:21 pm**

I hopped on the Wilgy train because I thought we needed a kill to move on, and I felt like I was essentially the tiebreaker. Although, as I was looking back through the night, Seanzie def would've been the call. Kinda crumpled under the pressure.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:23 pm**

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:20 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:19 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:15 pm Yeaaaa I'm at either Sean or Golden or SVS contains a wolf.
I though Sean was bad yesterday, and this certainly didn't help. Also, Golden... I'm having a hard time trusting you this game. Despite this mess, I still think both svs and Dennis are civ. Who else was on the train? Gotta go look.

I'm going to read through Wilgy and Marmot and see if I catch anything.
Why do you still think we're good?

You, because I think if you had teammates they would have told you NOT to do what you did.

SVS because she is playing her civ meta. Aggressive but actively hunting.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:23 pm**

I’m not going to jump to any strong assumptions but in a vacuum that sure looks like a Seanzie save to me

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:24 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:20 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:19 pm [VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

I guess we dome huh
No, doming is anti-town.

What is doming?

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:24 pm**

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:17 pm Yeah not me I was trying for the tie which means no death.

Why would you go for the tie?

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:25 pm**

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:17 pm Yeah not me I was trying for the tie which means no death.

No kill for day is pretty pro mafia/anti town....

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:25 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:23 pm I’m not going to jump to any strong assumptions but in a vacuum that sure looks like a Seanzie save to me

I considered this, but I thought Marmot started the Wilgy train and now Marmot got NK'd, so I don't know about that anymore.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:25 pm**

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:21 pm I hopped on the Wilgy train because I thought we needed a kill to move on, and I felt like I was essentially the tiebreaker. Although, as I was looking back through the night, Seanzie def would've been the call. Kinda crumpled under the pressure.

What pinged you

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:26 pm**

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:24 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:20 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:19 pm [VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

I guess we dome huh
No, doming is anti-town.
What is doming?

Thunderdoming - when two people strongly push the thread to only vote between them, usually derailing fruitful discussion.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:26 pm**

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:25 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:23 pm I’m not going to jump to any strong assumptions but in a vacuum that sure looks like a Seanzie save to me
I considered this, but I thought Marmot started the Wilgy train and now Marmot got NK'd, so I don't know about that anymore.

They needed a cw to jump on. Nk marmot to make it look like the cw is pure is a strat I have seen before.

We do need to flip swan before we decide to nuke the Wilgz wagon.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:27 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:26 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:25 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:23 pm I’m not going to jump to any strong assumptions but in a vacuum that sure looks like a Seanzie save to me
I considered this, but I thought Marmot started the Wilgy train and now Marmot got NK'd, so I don't know about that anymore.
They needed a cw to jump on. Nk marmot to make it look like the cw is pure is a strat I have seen before.

We do need to flip swan before we decide to nuke the Wilgz wagon.

Sean**

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:27 pm**

I think svs is obvtown for going for the tie, even if a tie would have been very bad for town.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:29 pm**

This was Marmot’s last rainbow list. He might’ve changed opinions on this towards the back half of the day, but this is something concrete 10 hours before eod:

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:03 pm Here's that rainbow list that no one asked for. Players are listed alphabetically in tiers.

Town

S~V~S
Dennis

Light Town

falcon45ca
Kate
Sabiplz
Scotty

Null or No Content

bea
DrWilgy
fingersplints
jack shepherd
lucy
Roxy
Seanzie
Soneji

Mafia Lean

Golden
Matahari

And to include a recap on players I haven't talked about yet that I have now sorted into tiers:

falcon45ca: I also don't really trust Golden, albeit might be for different reasons. His vibes don't strike me as hitting the notes of his scum game.

Scotty: Has been active and prodding, and also mostly harmless. I think of the townleans I have, his is the least strongest, but GTH, I do think he's town, and I have seen enough content from him to slot him here for now.

Matahari: Some of her thoughts that she posted in #529 lack direction. That is fine. But I get the feeling that she is pushing herself to talk about players when she doesn't have anything specific to say about them. Soneji in particular.

Marmot is a strange kill choice I think.

And I think in a vacuum Golden looks guiltiest only because Marmot was throwing mild suspicion

And boy do I know what bad golden does when people start suspecting him…

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:30 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:27 pm I think svs is obvtown for going for the tie, even if a tie would have been very bad for town.

So you think she's bad for trying to save you? If you're civ, that doesn't make much sense.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:31 pm**

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:27 pm I think svs is obvtown for going for the tie, even if a tie would have been very bad for town.
So you think she's bad for trying to save you? If you're civ, that doesn't make much sense.

Sorry I completely misread that.

I have a squiggly baby distracting me.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:31 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:27 pm I think svs is obvtown for going for the tie, even if a tie would have been very bad for town.

I do agree that going for tie is the absolute worst thing you could do in a D1.

And that’s pretty brazen to acknowledge unless SVS is just getting her dirty laundry out in the open before we find it.

I don’t think this makes her obv town for doing it

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:32 pm**

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:21 pm I hopped on the Wilgy train because I thought we needed a kill to move on, and I felt like I was essentially the tiebreaker. Although, as I was looking back through the night, Seanzie def would've been the call. Kinda crumpled under the pressure.

And I was trying to push the tie because I didn’t think either was bad enough to decide one way or the other.

What is your feel on Sean now?

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:32 pm**

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:21 pm I hopped on the Wilgy train because I thought we needed a kill to move on, and I felt like I was essentially the tiebreaker. Although, as I was looking back through the night, Seanzie def would've been the call. Kinda crumpled under the pressure.

And I was trying to push the tie because I didn’t think either was bad enough to decide one way or the other.

What is your feel on Sean now?

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:32 pm**

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:21 pm I hopped on the Wilgy train because I thought we needed a kill to move on, and I felt like I was essentially the tiebreaker. Although, as I was looking back through the night, Seanzie def would've been the call. Kinda crumpled under the pressure.

And I was trying to push the tie because I didn’t think either was bad enough to decide one way or the other.

What is your feel on Sean now?

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:32 pm**

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:27 pm I think svs is obvtown for going for the tie, even if a tie would have been very bad for town.
So you think she's bad for trying to save you? If you're civ, that doesn't make much sense.

ehhh it makes sense, if you don’t look at Seanzie as someone that cares if he lives or dies. Which has been a common thread so far…

…and I acknowledge also that this behavior gives town vibes lol

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:33 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:25 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:21 pm I hopped on the Wilgy train because I thought we needed a kill to move on, and I felt like I was essentially the tiebreaker. Although, as I was looking back through the night, Seanzie def would've been the call. Kinda crumpled under the pressure.
What pinged you

Well, common sense I suppose. I wasn't involved in their arguments, and I had said something about not liking Wilgy's lack of seriousness, so I just went with that. But, there was a stronger case made against Seanzie explained by one of Kate's posts.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:33 pm**

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:27 pm I think svs is obvtown for going for the tie, even if a tie would have been very bad for town.
So you think she's bad for trying to save you? If you're civ, that doesn't make much sense.

No? I am saying svs is obviously town.

A tie would have been bad for town, and I almost unvoted to avoid a tie before Dennis voted, because my death would have been better for town than no death, but I don't think SVS saw it that way.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:33 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:29 pm This was Marmot’s last rainbow list. He might’ve changed opinions on this towards the back half of the day, but this is something concrete 10 hours before eod:
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:03 pm Here's that rainbow list that no one asked for. Players are listed alphabetically in tiers.

Town

S~V~S
Dennis

Light Town

falcon45ca
Kate
Sabiplz
Scotty

Null or No Content

bea
DrWilgy
fingersplints
jack shepherd
lucy
Roxy
Seanzie
Soneji

Mafia Lean

Golden
Matahari

And to include a recap on players I haven't talked about yet that I have now sorted into tiers:

falcon45ca: I also don't really trust Golden, albeit might be for different reasons. His vibes don't strike me as hitting the notes of his scum game.

Scotty: Has been active and prodding, and also mostly harmless. I think of the townleans I have, his is the least strongest, but GTH, I do think he's town, and I have seen enough content from him to slot him here for now.

Matahari: Some of her thoughts that she posted in #529 lack direction. That is fine. But I get the feeling that she is pushing herself to talk about players when she doesn't have anything specific to say about them. Soneji in particular.
Marmot is a strange kill choice I think.

And I think in a vacuum Golden looks guiltiest only because Marmot was throwing mild suspicion

And boy do I know what bad golden does when people start suspecting him…

Very interesting. I've also been starting to wonder about my good friend Mata. We are pretty far in the game for her not be active. She was in the anniversary game for 1 day and seemed more active there as a non player! Where you at @Matahari.

What say you @Golden ?

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:34 pm**

Yikes my phone gave me a bad gateway sorry about triple post.

And how is a tie worse than a dead civ? I would have rather had the tie and Wilgy alive.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:34 pm**

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:32 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:21 pm I hopped on the Wilgy train because I thought we needed a kill to move on, and I felt like I was essentially the tiebreaker. Although, as I was looking back through the night, Seanzie def would've been the call. Kinda crumpled under the pressure.
And I was trying to push the tie because I didn’t think either was bad enough to decide one way or the other.

What is your feel on Sean now?

Holy tripleposts batman

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:34 pm**

I don’t understand that mindset at all.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:36 pm**

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:34 pm Yikes my phone gave me a bad gateway sorry about triple post.

And how is a tie worse than a dead civ? I would have rather had the tie and Wilgy alive.

One gives information, and one gives nothing

The Syndicate

Lawyers, Guns and Money- [TOWN WINS!]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 1]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 1]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 1]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 1]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 1]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 1]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 1]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 1]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 1]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 1]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [NIGHT 1]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [NIGHT 1]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 1]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 1]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]

Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]