The Syndicate

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 9:34 pm**

Matahari, if you want me to quote you, please don't use the mention feature- it messes with my browser. I know you don't know that though. I do read everything and will respond.

Why do you think Nutella is good?

No reason to think she's bad. I'm not persuaded by Sloonei's thing. It looks good, but it isn't convincing.

Is Cooler bad because he would be posting if he was good?

I don't know Cooler from Adam. Why would him posting more make him good? What a strange question to ask.

Is Sloonei good because he is always pushy when town? Is he different when bad?

Sloonei being a civilian has nothing to do with pushiness. Again, this is a strange question.

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 9:35 pm**

Luxurious wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:28 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:27 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:23 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:22 pm juliets is not peppering the thread with meaningful questions. She's asking easy questions and remaining disengaged mostly.
I dont see how that’s any different than what MM was doing
juliets has a very simple profile and I don't know MafiaMenace (I refuse to call him MM).
That’s fine MM is just easier because I’m lazy and dont wanna type it out.

But outside of that what has he done to give you a Good read then?

If I picked bad, would you be asking me the same question?

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 9:39 pm**

Luxurious wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:27 pm
Spoiler: show
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:26 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:22 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:18 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:14 pm Cooler - ISO - Bad
Creature - ISO - Bad
Dragon D Luffy - ISO - Good
DrWilgy - ISO - Bad
Dragomir - ISO - Bad
Epignosis - ISO - Your Master
Jackofhearts2005 - ISO - Good
juliets - ISO - Bad
Long Con - ISO - Good
Luxurious - ISO - Bad
Macdougall - ISO - Bad
MafiaMenace - ISO - Good
Matahari - ISO - Good
nutella - ISO - Good
sabie12 - ISO - Good
Sloonei - ISO - Good
Spacedaisy - ISO - Good
speedchuck - ISO - Good
sprityo - ISO - Good
Ultra - ISO - Good
There’s a lot of Bad iso’s there and I’m kinda curious as to all of them?

But specifically more for julietes and creature
A lot of bad?

There's a lot of bad. I count six, maybe seven.
Yah that’s almost half the player list

Yes I’m aware almost half the playerlist has scum roles

Yes I’m also aware that’s enough scum reads for said roles

My issue is more the fact day hasnt started, I dont think many people have been taking things very seriously, and that’s a lot of scum reads before day start

Yes I know how many pages we have and most of them are just Sloonei asking questions that dont go anywhere
What was the purpose of this post?

Your reads seem disingenuous

I don't care what they seem like.

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 9:39 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:28 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:22 pm juliets is not peppering the thread with meaningful questions. She's asking easy questions and remaining disengaged mostly.
This is true, I'm not peppering with questions. I'm overwhelmed at the moment. Hopefully it will get better.

Hope things work out for you.

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 9:41 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:34 pm Matahari, if you want me to quote you, please don't use the mention feature- it messes with my browser. I know you don't know that though. I do read everything and will respond.

Why do you think Nutella is good?

No reason to think she's bad. I'm not persuaded by Sloonei's thing. It looks good, but it isn't convincing.

Is Cooler bad because he would be posting if he was good?

I don't know Cooler from Adam. Why would him posting more make him good? What a strange question to ask.

Is Sloonei good because he is always pushy when town? Is he different when bad?

Sloonei being a civilian has nothing to do with pushiness. Again, this is a strange question.

sorry about your browser!

You have Cooler down as bad in your list. But last I looked, he only had one post. So I’m not sure why you find him bad.

About Sloonei- I thought you said something earlier about his level of play, but I might be thinking of someone else.

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 9:44 pm**

Luxurious wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:32 pm Oh fuck I’m out my plans for the night didnt fall through bet

I don't understand this sentence. I'm going to try to comprehend it.

"Oh no! I'm leaving now because my plans for the night were not canceled. Bet on the Arizona Diamondbacks, as they will surely beat the San Fransisco Giants tonight with Zack Godley bouncing back after an abysmal start to the 2019 season!"

Actually, that wasn't so hard.

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 9:46 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 8:57 pm But also I apologize for being responsible for 10 of those 15 pages.

Relax, been here for 4 years already, and I've never been one to hate people for posting too much.

I wasn't able to be active this weekend and won't be active tomorrow either. If I could, then staying up to date woupd be easier. I'm just considering optimizing it instead of spending a week slowly catching up.

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 9:47 pm**

Matahari wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:41 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:34 pm Matahari, if you want me to quote you, please don't use the mention feature- it messes with my browser. I know you don't know that though. I do read everything and will respond.

Why do you think Nutella is good?

No reason to think she's bad. I'm not persuaded by Sloonei's thing. It looks good, but it isn't convincing.

Is Cooler bad because he would be posting if he was good?

I don't know Cooler from Adam. Why would him posting more make him good? What a strange question to ask.

Is Sloonei good because he is always pushy when town? Is he different when bad?

Sloonei being a civilian has nothing to do with pushiness. Again, this is a strange question.
sorry about your browser!

You have Cooler down as bad in your list. But last I looked, he only had one post. So I’m not sure why you find him bad.

About Sloonei- I thought you said something earlier about his level of play, but I might be thinking of someone else.

No worries- the browser thing only happens if I try to quote your post. It doesn't do anything if I just see it. It's only pain because I can't quote.

Cooler would be my default lynch if I had no opinions about anything else.

Sloonei is my default civilian sidekick until I'm given a reason to think otherwise. He's lighting it up in here and making sense even if I disagree with him and he disagrees with me. I can understand how he arrives at his conclusions and I detect no deceit.

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 9:49 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 8:57 pm But also I apologize for being responsible for 10 of those 15 pages.
Relax, been here for 4 years already, and I've never been one to hate people for posting too much.

I wasn't able to be active this weekend and won't be active tomorrow either. If I could, then staying up to date woupd be easier. I'm just considering optimizing it instead of spending a week slowly catching up.

I think this is the optimal strategy and I know you're down with a busy thread. But Day 0 is not usually this busy. I don't take it back, but I'm conscious of the fact that some folks are gonna be overwhelmed by the avalanche. I encourage them to consider not reading everything as well. It's not always the best use of time.

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 9:49 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:56 am Dragomir: I like that iso by Sloonei
Also Dragomir: Yeah I don't like that iso by Sloonei

Don't overthink it people.

I am going to bed. I was on my feet for 11 hours handing out voting guides only for our neoliberal semi rural climate change denying fascist government to get returned to power with a swing to them then went to a gig.

So I want the world to end basically. Bring on death.

Linki: Sloonei don't patronise me dickhead

It’s hard to argue that doesn’t look fake.

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 9:53 pm**

[mention]Dragomir[/mention] what did you originally like about my nutella ISO?

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 9:55 pm**

Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:59 am
Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:55 am That's a 65% serious post btw

I mean, just look at that
I do not see the basis for that specific accusation.
Mac's characteristic lack of restraint in accusing everyone as scum fits with the perspective of an Indi, since he could be on the mark but can afford collateral damage. SK's aggressively hunting early is somewhat of a tell in normal set ups, and I think that would be moreso the case here.

But in addition the "You're mafia, he's mafia", comes off as a mindset slip. Because he's not mafia.

Chapter 0: Wherein Slipping That You Aren’t Mafia Is Somehow Bad

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:09 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:08 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 8:07 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 7:50 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 7:47 pm Is it day 1 yet? can i tell jack his waifu is shit

Who is my waifu?

it's astolfo

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:13 pm**

Day 1 - Pilot

The heroes gathered in the Arrowcave for discussion. All of these new threats needed to be dealt with, and it was going to take everyone's help to see it through.

"We have to be willing to kill if we're going to stop this threat!" declared Oliver.

"But what if we kill innocents?" said Barry. "Then we're no worse than them."

"Can we have the room?" said Felicity, but nobody left. Everyone was going to have to weigh in. Everyone would have to take a stand.

It is now Day 1. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:14 pm**

Start of Day 1 rainbow list:

Ultra
Macdougall/color]
MafiaMenace
sabie
Jackofhearts
Epignosis
Dragomir
nutella
Creature
Dragon D Luffy
Long Con
speedchuck
juliets
Matahari
sprityo
Spacedaisy
Cooler
DrWilgy
Luxurious

[VOTE: Luxurious] aubergine

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:23 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:14 pm Start of Day 1 rainbow list:

Ultra
Macdougall/color]
MafiaMenace
sabie
Jackofhearts
Epignosis
Dragomir
nutella
Creature
Dragon D Luffy
Long Con
speedchuck
juliets
Matahari
sprityo
Spacedaisy
Cooler
DrWilgy
Luxurious

[VOTE: Luxurious] aubergine

How come you 180'd on nutella

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:24 pm**

[VOTE: Luxurious] aubergine

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:25 pm**

nutella’s response to my ISO felt like a civilian who was stunned and aggravated by what she saw as a ridiculous argument against her.

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:25 pm**

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:24 pm [VOTE: Luxurious] aubergine

Why?

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:26 pm**

[VOTE: Juliets] aubergine

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:26 pm**

Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:26 pm [VOTE: Juliets] aubergine

Why?

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:29 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:26 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:26 pm [VOTE: Juliets] aubergine
Why?

Look at her ISO, she's mostly asking pretty surface level questions and it looks like scum flavored productivity. She's also not digging into anything too interesting and hasn't really gotten anywhere as far as I can tell.

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:31 pm**

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:09 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:08 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 8:07 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 7:50 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 7:47 pm Is it day 1 yet? can i tell jack his waifu is shit

Who is my waifu?
it's astolfo

Lol it’s true but I’m aware Apocrypha is mostly garbage.

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:31 pm**

Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:26 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:26 pm [VOTE: Juliets] aubergine
Why?
Look at her ISO, she's mostly asking pretty surface level questions and it looks like scum flavored productivity. She's also not digging into anything too interesting and hasn't really gotten anywhere as far as I can tell.

u forgot to vote

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:32 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:25 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:24 pm [VOTE: Luxurious] aubergine
Why?

didnt i just make a post on lux and why theyre scummy

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:32 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:31 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:26 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:26 pm [VOTE: Juliets] aubergine
Why?
Look at her ISO, she's mostly asking pretty surface level questions and it looks like scum flavored productivity. She's also not digging into anything too interesting and hasn't really gotten anywhere as far as I can tell.
u forgot to vote

voting is confusing around here

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:33 pm**

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:25 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:24 pm [VOTE: Luxurious] aubergine
Why?
didnt i just make a post on lux and why theyre scummy

Probably. I just want to make sure all our reasons are clear and open.

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:35 pm**

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:54 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:48 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:19 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:28 pm Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +
Interesting idea but that would not only out them and give scum a target

But wouldnt it be better to hold off using that until late game where there’ll be more information regarding player alignment?
I mean the felicity player's peak is a one shot, and can ascertain the identity of any player role in the game, so I think it's a no brainer that it would be used straight away
I mean sure if you wanna get a scum right from the start and not give them any chance to out their teammates

But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently

What do you guys suspecting Lux think of this post

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:35 pm**

Spoiler: show

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:21 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:29 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:53 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:49 pm Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans
at first glance cult looks pretty harmless early game, in my personal opinion it should be spent on someone like deathstroke, it brings down the average kpn from 2.5 (i assume) down to 1.5

i dont see any posts of ultra that would let me make a read as they are all pregame fluff which happens or strategic thinking which comes from both alignments
Hmmmm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:38 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:32 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:29 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:53 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:49 pm Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans
at first glance cult looks pretty harmless early game, in my personal opinion it should be spent on someone like deathstroke, it brings down the average kpn from 2.5 (i assume) down to 1.5

i dont see any posts of ultra that would let me make a read as they are all pregame fluff which happens or strategic thinking which comes from both alignments
Hmmmm
what's on yer mind?
It feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra’s doing

And I’m not sure if MM has played with Ultra before but it’s kinda shady to dismiss his posts as pregame fluff or NAI
i mentioned before how it was really bad how instead of getting to the point lux started with "hmmm" and waited for someone to ask them what was up
which is wolfy as fuck and if not highly disappointing

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:35 pm
Spoiler: show
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:12 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:03 pm I'll drop this for a second because you mentioned earlier other ways to make use of info roles - do you mind expanding, and how do you think we could possibly make use of felicia
"Breadcrumbing" is the popular term here for info-proliferation. Just because people aren't allowed to claim their roles, it doesn't mean they have to ignore the information they receive. If, for instance, a cop gets a guilty ID on a player they hadn't previously suspected, there's nothing preventing them from launching into a full tirade against that player the next day, or dropping subtle hints here and there. Basically the no-claiming rules make it so information is to be used more personally, and puts the onus on the civilians to be active in the thread and function as a group to solve the game, rather than waiting for power roles to come along.

This is part of the reason why I'm in no hurry to read all of the roles in the setup. It's never that bit of a deal to me early on. I know my role and I know how I want to approach the game as a civilian. That's all I need to get started.

I don't care to comment on how to make use of Felicia at this time. I think the player who has that role can be trusted to use it however they see fit. I don't think it's a bad idea to provide suggestions, though.
Dont think I’ve played a game before where a cop got a perk and didn’t immediately go “y’all this is it we gottem” by outing their role.

Or a game where everyone didnt claim peeks so the cop could easily out their information without outing themselves

This is both interesting and annoying since I do think it minimizes info a bit but site differences
definitely comes across as feigning annoyance

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:06 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:02 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:58 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:56 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:38 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:32 pm what's on yer mind?
It feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra’s doing

And I’m not sure if MM has played with Ultra before but it’s kinda shady to dismiss his posts as pregame fluff or NAI
none of his posts were readable
they come from both alignments and are very common posts to make

you may find a read in there but i see it as a stretch
How is it very common to suggest angelshooting a scum lynch before the game truly starts???
quote that post
because i never saw it

either way i was not talking about his entire iso, most posts he has made are like i said
pregame fluff or strategic posts
both of which can and do come from either alignments

i dont know how youre making an argument out of this
There wasnt an argument or a push

Just some shade and thoughts for myself to think about as the game goes on

Also what strategic posts are you talking about if not for the suggestion of outing a cop with a scum peek
blatantly ignores what i asked for them to do

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:37 pm**

Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:35 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:54 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:48 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:19 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:28 pm Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +
Interesting idea but that would not only out them and give scum a target

But wouldnt it be better to hold off using that until late game where there’ll be more information regarding player alignment?
I mean the felicity player's peak is a one shot, and can ascertain the identity of any player role in the game, so I think it's a no brainer that it would be used straight away
I mean sure if you wanna get a scum right from the start and not give them any chance to out their teammates

But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently
What do you guys suspecting Lux think of this post

add that to the list

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:39 pm**

Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:35 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:54 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:48 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:19 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:28 pm Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +
Interesting idea but that would not only out them and give scum a target

But wouldnt it be better to hold off using that until late game where there’ll be more information regarding player alignment?
I mean the felicity player's peak is a one shot, and can ascertain the identity of any player role in the game, so I think it's a no brainer that it would be used straight away
I mean sure if you wanna get a scum right from the start and not give them any chance to out their teammates

But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently
What do you guys suspecting Lux think of this post

It's a strategic argument that I do not agree with, but it does not tell me much about their alignment in this game.

Why do you bring it up?

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:39 pm**

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:37 pm
Spoiler: show
Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:35 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:54 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:48 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:19 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:28 pm Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +
Interesting idea but that would not only out them and give scum a target

But wouldnt it be better to hold off using that until late game where there’ll be more information regarding player alignment?
I mean the felicity player's peak is a one shot, and can ascertain the identity of any player role in the game, so I think it's a no brainer that it would be used straight away
I mean sure if you wanna get a scum right from the start and not give them any chance to out their teammates

But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently
What do you guys suspecting Lux think of this post
add that to the list

Why?

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:41 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:39 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:37 pm
Spoiler: show
Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:35 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:54 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:48 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:19 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:28 pm Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +
Interesting idea but that would not only out them and give scum a target

But wouldnt it be better to hold off using that until late game where there’ll be more information regarding player alignment?
I mean the felicity player's peak is a one shot, and can ascertain the identity of any player role in the game, so I think it's a no brainer that it would be used straight away
I mean sure if you wanna get a scum right from the start and not give them any chance to out their teammates

But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently
What do you guys suspecting Lux think of this post
add that to the list
Why?

im taking that post as blunt as i possibly can
and if i look for the most obvious reason to argue against a point that ultra made, especially if the counterargument is flawed
then i take it as wolves trying to save their hide

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:42 pm**

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:39 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:37 pm
Spoiler: show
Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:35 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:54 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:48 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:19 pm

Interesting idea but that would not only out them and give scum a target

But wouldnt it be better to hold off using that until late game where there’ll be more information regarding player alignment?
I mean the felicity player's peak is a one shot, and can ascertain the identity of any player role in the game, so I think it's a no brainer that it would be used straight away
I mean sure if you wanna get a scum right from the start and not give them any chance to out their teammates

But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently
What do you guys suspecting Lux think of this post
add that to the list
Why?
im taking that post as blunt as i possibly can
and if i look for the most obvious reason to argue against a point that ultra made, especially if the counterargument is flawed
then i take it as wolves trying to save their hide

Wolves plural?

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:43 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:42 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:39 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:37 pm
Spoiler: show
Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:35 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:54 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:48 pm

I mean the felicity player's peak is a one shot, and can ascertain the identity of any player role in the game, so I think it's a no brainer that it would be used straight away
I mean sure if you wanna get a scum right from the start and not give them any chance to out their teammates

But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently
What do you guys suspecting Lux think of this post
add that to the list
Why?
im taking that post as blunt as i possibly can
and if i look for the most obvious reason to argue against a point that ultra made, especially if the counterargument is flawed
then i take it as wolves trying to save their hide
Wolves plural?

no
grammar mistake

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:45 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:39 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:35 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:54 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:48 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:19 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:28 pm Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +
Interesting idea but that would not only out them and give scum a target

But wouldnt it be better to hold off using that until late game where there’ll be more information regarding player alignment?
I mean the felicity player's peak is a one shot, and can ascertain the identity of any player role in the game, so I think it's a no brainer that it would be used straight away
I mean sure if you wanna get a scum right from the start and not give them any chance to out their teammates

But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently
What do you guys suspecting Lux think of this post
It's a strategic argument that I do not agree with, but it does not tell me much about their alignment in this game.

Why do you bring it up?

I was actually talking about this

"But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently"

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 10:53 pm**

Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:39 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:35 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:54 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:48 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:19 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:28 pm Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +
Interesting idea but that would not only out them and give scum a target

But wouldnt it be better to hold off using that until late game where there’ll be more information regarding player alignment?
I mean the felicity player's peak is a one shot, and can ascertain the identity of any player role in the game, so I think it's a no brainer that it would be used straight away
I mean sure if you wanna get a scum right from the start and not give them any chance to out their teammates

But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently
What do you guys suspecting Lux think of this post
It's a strategic argument that I do not agree with, but it does not tell me much about their alignment in this game.

Why do you bring it up?
I was actually talking about this

"But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently"

It's intriguing that she seems to refer to the "mafia team" singular. I could easily speculate that that suggests she's a member the first mafia team.

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 11:08 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:53 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:39 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:35 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:54 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:48 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:19 pm

Interesting idea but that would not only out them and give scum a target

But wouldnt it be better to hold off using that until late game where there’ll be more information regarding player alignment?
I mean the felicity player's peak is a one shot, and can ascertain the identity of any player role in the game, so I think it's a no brainer that it would be used straight away
I mean sure if you wanna get a scum right from the start and not give them any chance to out their teammates

But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently
What do you guys suspecting Lux think of this post
It's a strategic argument that I do not agree with, but it does not tell me much about their alignment in this game.

Why do you bring it up?
I was actually talking about this

"But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently"
It's intriguing that she seems to refer to the "mafia team" singular. I could easily speculate that that suggests she's a member the first mafia team.

So

she's clearly referring to the green team

If you look at the role list from top to bottom that's what you see first

Lux (supposedly) was under the impression that was the scum team and the rest were indi

so I can def see this coming from town. I could only see it coming from mafia if they're green themselves. Or perhaps indi

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 11:08 pm**

But I can't really tell what direction that slip is in

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 11:10 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 8:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:45 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:41 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:22 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:04 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:02 pm

Mac's characteristic lack of restraint in accusing everyone as scum fits with the perspective of an Indi, since he could be on the mark but can afford collateral damage. SK's aggressively hunting early is somewhat of a tell in normal set ups, and I think that would be moreso the case here.

But in addition the "You're mafia, he's mafia", comes off as a mindset slip. Because he's not mafia.
I once again do not want to dismiss your read off hand, but I feel the need to add context: this is all standard Mac behavior. If I was going to accuse him of anything, it’s that he’s following his usual meta too closely.
I'll keep this in mind but I also put very little stake in someone else's meta knowledge on another player

Because 90% of the time with meta, players are making blanket observations anyway and not catching potential anomalies, and characterizing average play. So if there was a slip it wouldn't make a difference.
Mac is quite capable of accusing two others of being opposite-team mafiosos while being on one of the mafia teams himself. Assuming he's Indy because of that doesn't strike me as a slam-dunk observation; I think it's more likely that he's mafia. Doesn't totally strike me as Civ, but Mac is an aggressive player, so maybe.
What do you think makes him mafia
If I were Epignosis, I would say, "His role card makes him mafia." But I'm Long Con.

I believe he would say such a thing, as mafia, in order to get the reaction that you had, that he had a "mindset slip". That is the level of craftiness I expect from Mac.
I have never said that in my life.

What that's a classic Epi response what are you talking

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 11:14 pm**

Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:08 pm But I can't really tell what direction that slip is in

Ditto. It definitely says something. The best I can conclude for now is that Lux is not a member of the Speedsters.

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 11:15 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:10 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 8:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:45 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:41 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:22 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:04 pm

I once again do not want to dismiss your read off hand, but I feel the need to add context: this is all standard Mac behavior. If I was going to accuse him of anything, it’s that he’s following his usual meta too closely.
I'll keep this in mind but I also put very little stake in someone else's meta knowledge on another player

Because 90% of the time with meta, players are making blanket observations anyway and not catching potential anomalies, and characterizing average play. So if there was a slip it wouldn't make a difference.
Mac is quite capable of accusing two others of being opposite-team mafiosos while being on one of the mafia teams himself. Assuming he's Indy because of that doesn't strike me as a slam-dunk observation; I think it's more likely that he's mafia. Doesn't totally strike me as Civ, but Mac is an aggressive player, so maybe.
What do you think makes him mafia
If I were Epignosis, I would say, "His role card makes him mafia." But I'm Long Con.

I believe he would say such a thing, as mafia, in order to get the reaction that you had, that he had a "mindset slip". That is the level of craftiness I expect from Mac.
I have never said that in my life.
What that's a classic Epi response what are you talking

Someone else says that. I forget who, but it isn't me.

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 11:16 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:28 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:26 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:24 pm
You’ve said it yourself!
No I haven’t. My questions go places. To the moon and back!

Lol so literally the same as if they went nowhere?

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 11:18 pm**

I cast my vote for juliets. I understand things have not been ideal for her, but it's not just the activity level. The content doesn't look genuine to me. It looks there for the sake of being there.

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 11:21 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:15 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:10 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 8:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:45 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:41 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:22 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:10 pm

I'll keep this in mind but I also put very little stake in someone else's meta knowledge on another player

Because 90% of the time with meta, players are making blanket observations anyway and not catching potential anomalies, and characterizing average play. So if there was a slip it wouldn't make a difference.
Mac is quite capable of accusing two others of being opposite-team mafiosos while being on one of the mafia teams himself. Assuming he's Indy because of that doesn't strike me as a slam-dunk observation; I think it's more likely that he's mafia. Doesn't totally strike me as Civ, but Mac is an aggressive player, so maybe.
What do you think makes him mafia
If I were Epignosis, I would say, "His role card makes him mafia." But I'm Long Con.

I believe he would say such a thing, as mafia, in order to get the reaction that you had, that he had a "mindset slip". That is the level of craftiness I expect from Mac.
I have never said that in my life.
What that's a classic Epi response what are you talking
Someone else says that. I forget who, but it isn't me.

Quickly, answer this

What color is this dress

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 11:21 pm**

It’s hard for me to imagine making lists so early. I tried to make one today, but after rereading the game, and some ISOs, I don’t feel like I have much of an opinion on anyone. I can’t clear anyone, but there are a few that I don’t feel great about.

Dragomir, seems like he changes his mind too easily and it might not be a bad thing (like being blendy and trying to stay on people’s good side) but it still caught my attention.

Sloonei, I would like to trust him but all the pushing for info from people, the gth on day 0, seems tailor made for helping mafia. Talk is great, it helps to be able to look back at it later in the game, and that helps town. But I’ve never seen anyone keep at it like Sloonei.

Nutella, is not playing the same as the last two games I played with her. She was town in those games, and she seems a lot less pulled together so far.

I can’t say that any of them would get a vote from me. Not yet. Basically, I’m still observing people.

Tons of linki

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 11:21 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:25 pm nutella’s response to my ISO felt like a civilian who was stunned and aggravated by what she saw as a ridiculous argument against her.

Lol.

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 11:22 pm**

Yeah, I'm 100% satisfied with my vote.

juliets is not civilian.

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 11:23 pm**

Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:21 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:15 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:10 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 8:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:45 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:41 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:22 pm

Mac is quite capable of accusing two others of being opposite-team mafiosos while being on one of the mafia teams himself. Assuming he's Indy because of that doesn't strike me as a slam-dunk observation; I think it's more likely that he's mafia. Doesn't totally strike me as Civ, but Mac is an aggressive player, so maybe.
What do you think makes him mafia
If I were Epignosis, I would say, "His role card makes him mafia." But I'm Long Con.

I believe he would say such a thing, as mafia, in order to get the reaction that you had, that he had a "mindset slip". That is the level of craftiness I expect from Mac.
I have never said that in my life.
What that's a classic Epi response what are you talking
Someone else says that. I forget who, but it isn't me.
Quickly, answer this

What color is this dress

Banal.

Posted: **Sat May 18, 2019 11:29 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:28 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:26 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:24 pm
You’ve said it yourself!
No I haven’t. My questions go places. To the moon and back!
Lol so literally the same as if they went nowhere?

The Syndicate

Arrowverse Mafia - Day 8

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 1

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 1

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 1

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 1

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 1

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 1

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 1

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 1

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 1

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 1

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 1

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 1

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 1

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 1

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 1

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 1

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0

Re: Arrowverse Mafia - Day 0