The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:54 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:50 am I will explain that alexa and belzy's super strong push towards Mac and then paopan gave me some pause and I wanted to make sure it was the right decision. I went through macyo's ISO and there were some interactions with dizzy that obviously we know now are fabricated but I wanted to discuss and make sure. I don't feel like being cautious is a bad thing this stage of the game. Macyo seemed like more likely a hit and even though I do find pao scummy I didn't want to be wrong. The fact that alexa has outed peoples roles without them even being pushed or needing to also made me a bit wary.

Can you walk us through what exactly happened in your chat with belzy and alexa? How did the conversation unfold, and how did you all arrive at Macyo?

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:08 am I’m 3p, I’m hks partner. We have two wincons. First wincon is kill two wolves. If we kill two wolves, we achieve our wincon, get removed from the game and game continues as it normally would. Second wincon: we survive all the way to the end (just one of us is fine) and we win with whoever is alive. So yeah, we can win by winning with town and eliminating all the wolves. So there’s heavy incentive for us to townside which is why we have. I used hks day vig on dizzy so we already got 1 of our kills. If Alexa is mafia then I get my second and I leave the game if she flips mafia.

As for my abilities, everything lp outed today is….correct. So correct that I wonder if it’s coming from tmi. They perfectly guessed my characters name and some of their abilities. Which are: twice a game I can make myself untargetable to any night actions. I think the night alexa claimed her vest to be popped was the night wolves tried to kill me. That day before eod, I made a post saying tsp was probably a wolf and mac even noticed it and commented on it. I killed dizzy that day. I was pushing mac. And fossed alexa. I’ve been n1d 3 of my last games in a row (excluding didney world). Im a hot commodity for wolves to nk, so yes I do strongly believe wolves had a lot of reason to want me dead.

Start of today Alexa has a sudden epiphany that 3p isn’t eliminated. My guess is she didn’t discuss this in the chat with belzy and pao? Wanna know why? Probably because she didn’t know until sod because she used her rc on me. Why would town alexa rc me if she’s convinced I’m town? Or belzy on d2? It’s because she’s wolf and is trying to rc people mafia can’t push to get misyeeted.

And yeah I know what y’all are gonna say 3p is bad and shouldn’t be trusted, but if I was an evil aligned 3p I have no reason to play this way. I wasn’t being sussed by anyone, I can just keep living off the towncred from dizzy and achieve my wincon if it was an evil one. I wouldn’t invest this much into solving when I’m already in a good spot. So why would I as 3p care so much about townsiding? Because I’m a petty ass bitch and I think wolves chose players so I wanna bury the entire team for not choosing me lol, that’s pmuch it.

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:12 am for now i'm gonna actually put my vote on alexa

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:17 am I read the first sentence and stopped. Trusting a 3P HAS NEVER GONE WRONG IN THE HISTORY OF MAFIA.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:20 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:17 am I read the first sentence and stopped. Trusting a 3P HAS NEVER GONE WRONG IN THE HISTORY OF MAFIA.

We’re not really trusting ilario with anything. Alexa is already poisoned. She’a flipping today whether we trust ilario or not.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:21 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:20 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:17 am I read the first sentence and stopped. Trusting a 3P HAS NEVER GONE WRONG IN THE HISTORY OF MAFIA.

We’re not really trusting ilario with anything. Alexa is already poisoned. She’a flipping today whether we trust ilario or not.

Yeah, so I guess we leave them both for today and kill elsewhere?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:28 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:21 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:20 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:17 am I read the first sentence and stopped. Trusting a 3P HAS NEVER GONE WRONG IN THE HISTORY OF MAFIA.

We’re not really trusting ilario with anything. Alexa is already poisoned. She’a flipping today whether we trust ilario or not.

Yeah, so I guess we leave them both for today and kill elsewhere?

Might I interest you in a Creature wagon?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:58 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:56 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:53 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:49 am The thing that I don’t understand is, if there’s a wolf in the trio of bel Alexa and pao, why didn’t they warn mac he was gonna get shot so he can try to get a soup off on his way out?

I can only think of two answers, 1. Not every wolf can do the soup and it’s just a specific role 2. Wolves were playing greedy and wanted to get more mech info before the soup

There is a third option in that no wolves were in that chat, but even so, I think wolf mac knew yesterday that writing was on the wall and would have thought about doing the soup kill.

If it’s option 1, then it means whoever has the soup role is relatively deep and that’s why they haven’t used it yet so that rules out people like sabie pao etc

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:12 pm Cabbage Stew

Mafia have access to a soup kill--how does this work? Glad you asked! Once per game, Mafia can:

Forgo their factional kill
Designate one team member as the Soup Chef, this member cannot use any of their role abilities (note that a goon, if one exists, can only perform a soup kill if they are the last remaining team Mafia member)

So that implies anyone can use the soup? In which case I really wonder why mac didn’t use it

It implies anyone but Mac can use it, I think. They were vanilla, aka a goon

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:38 am Once we get soup killed there won't be more than 8 people alove and we got 4 mafia still left alive, so we really need to lynch mafia today and ideally solve the entire mafia team so we know what lynches to push for the rest of the game. Ilario being 3p makes sense, he was never mafia and therefore either town or 3p.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:40 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:38 am Once we get soup killed there won't be more than 8 people alove and we got 4 mafia still left alive, so we really need to lynch mafia today and ideally solve the entire mafia team so we know what lynches to push for the rest of the game. Ilario being 3p makes sense, he was never mafia and therefore either town or 3p.

There is 3 mafia left.

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:12 am for now i'm gonna actually put my vote on alexa

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:43 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:40 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:38 am Once we get soup killed there won't be more than 8 people alove and we got 4 mafia still left alive, so we really need to lynch mafia today and ideally solve the entire mafia team so we know what lynches to push for the rest of the game. Ilario being 3p makes sense, he was never mafia and therefore either town or 3p.

There is 3 mafia left.

Oh thank you, that is already much better.

7 marmot
6 dyslexicon
5 phil and gloria
4
3
2
1

Who am i missing?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:44 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:43 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:40 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:38 am Once we get soup killed there won't be more than 8 people alove and we got 4 mafia still left alive, so we really need to lynch mafia today and ideally solve the entire mafia team so we know what lynches to push for the rest of the game. Ilario being 3p makes sense, he was never mafia and therefore either town or 3p.

There is 3 mafia left.

Oh thank you, that is already much better.

7 marmot
6 dyslexicon
5 phil and gloria
4
3
2
1

Who am i missing?

TSP

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:46 am There's no point killing Alexa today if you believe they are scum as they are poisoned

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:52 am What about the part where it says 3p inherits the factional kill if mafia is eliminated? Wouldn't that mean that ilario would then be able to kill us? I don't get how that would work or help us. Do we not win if we eliminate the remaining 3 mafia?

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:53 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:52 am What about the part where it says 3p inherits the factional kill if mafia is eliminated? Wouldn't that mean that ilario would then be able to kill us? I don't get how that would work or help us. Do we not win if we eliminate the remaining 3 mafia?

It always okay to kill off both mafia and 3p, cuz then you know for sure town wins. I do feel the pressure in lynching mafia first cuz of the soup kill waiting to happen.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:58 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:53 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:52 am What about the part where it says 3p inherits the factional kill if mafia is eliminated? Wouldn't that mean that ilario would then be able to kill us? I don't get how that would work or help us. Do we not win if we eliminate the remaining 3 mafia?

It always okay to kill off both mafia and 3p, cuz then you know for sure town wins. I do feel the pressure in lynching mafia first cuz of the soup kill waiting to happen.

Yeah definitely go for mafia first. I'm just pointing out that it sounds as though in the rules that 3p can then kill us after mafia is gone so if that's true then ilarios claim that he can win with us would be false.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:52 am What about the part where it says 3p inherits the factional kill if mafia is eliminated? Wouldn't that mean that ilario would then be able to kill us? I don't get how that would work or help us. Do we not win if we eliminate the remaining 3 mafia?

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:02 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:52 am What about the part where it says 3p inherits the factional kill if mafia is eliminated? Wouldn't that mean that ilario would then be able to kill us? I don't get how that would work or help us. Do we not win if we eliminate the remaining 3 mafia?

we dont, the game ends when mafia dies

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:02 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:52 am What about the part where it says 3p inherits the factional kill if mafia is eliminated? Wouldn't that mean that ilario would then be able to kill us? I don't get how that would work or help us. Do we not win if we eliminate the remaining 3 mafia?

we dont, the game ends when mafia dies

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:04 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:02 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:52 am What about the part where it says 3p inherits the factional kill if mafia is eliminated? Wouldn't that mean that ilario would then be able to kill us? I don't get how that would work or help us. Do we not win if we eliminate the remaining 3 mafia?

we dont, the game ends when mafia dies

It says in the OP that 3p receive the faction kill assuming no lost wolf.

"If the group mafia team is eliminated, any lost mafia that may exist will inherit the factional kill and the tie break. If there are no lost mafia, it will be inherited by a third party"

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:28 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:21 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:20 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:17 am I read the first sentence and stopped. Trusting a 3P HAS NEVER GONE WRONG IN THE HISTORY OF MAFIA.

We’re not really trusting ilario with anything. Alexa is already poisoned. She’a flipping today whether we trust ilario or not.

Yeah, so I guess we leave them both for today and kill elsewhere?

Might I interest you in a Creature wagon?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:53 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:49 am The thing that I don’t understand is, if there’s a wolf in the trio of bel Alexa and pao, why didn’t they warn mac he was gonna get shot so he can try to get a soup off on his way out?

I can only think of two answers, 1. Not every wolf can do the soup and it’s just a specific role 2. Wolves were playing greedy and wanted to get more mech info before the soup

There is a third option in that no wolves were in that chat, but even so, I think wolf mac knew yesterday that writing was on the wall and would have thought about doing the soup kill.

If it’s option 1, then it means whoever has the soup role is relatively deep and that’s why they haven’t used it yet so that rules out people like sabie pao etc

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:12 pm Cabbage Stew

Mafia have access to a soup kill--how does this work? Glad you asked! Once per game, Mafia can:

Forgo their factional kill
Designate one team member as the Soup Chef, this member cannot use any of their role abilities (note that a goon, if one exists, can only perform a soup kill if they are the last remaining team Mafia member)

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:09 am Have u ever seen a 3p lie when they already had the game in the bag if their goal was to endgame? If anything my claim just increases the odds of me dying, when realistically before the claim the odds of me dying to a vote was very slim. Anyways the only reason I’m saying this is because I don’t want you to avoid wagons just because I’m on it lol, even if u don’t believe me I have no reason to not lie about wanting to scumhunt here as it helps me just as much as it helps you even in a hypothetical world where what I say is not true.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:04 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:02 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:52 am What about the part where it says 3p inherits the factional kill if mafia is eliminated? Wouldn't that mean that ilario would then be able to kill us? I don't get how that would work or help us. Do we not win if we eliminate the remaining 3 mafia?

we dont, the game ends when mafia dies

It says in the OP that 3p receive the faction kill assuming no lost wolf.

"If the group mafia team is eliminated, any lost mafia that may exist will inherit the factional kill and the tie break. If there are no lost mafia, it will be inherited by a third party"

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:11 am Rn i disapprove the Creature wagon
I could approve the Paopon and sloonei wagons

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

Still investigating, i am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:12 pm

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ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:12 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:11 am Rn i disapprove the Creature wagon
I could approve the Paopon and sloonei wagons

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

Still investigating, i am

Sigh I think ur gonna regret this lol