The Syndicate

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:22 am**

Kind reminder, Odd is peeked villager.
He can be mafia only if he is godfather.

If anyone thinks I didn't explain completely my ideas and something is lacking, please tell me and when I am able to play I will explain/reformulate.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:26 am**

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Justplayingitcool. 6 KZA, Alison, Esooa, fingersplints, Oddmerta, BoKnows

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:26 am**

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:22 am Kind reminder, Odd is peeked villager.
He can be mafia only if he is godfather.

If anyone thinks I didn't explain completely my ideas and something is lacking, please tell me and when I am able to play I will explain/reformulate.

Sorry when was Odd peaked?

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:27 am**

[VOTE: Fingers ] aubergine

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:28 am**

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:26 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:22 am Kind reminder, Odd is peeked villager.
He can be mafia only if he is godfather.

If anyone thinks I didn't explain completely my ideas and something is lacking, please tell me and when I am able to play I will explain/reformulate.
Sorry when was Odd peaked?

You didn't read the thread, isn't it?

I have info Odd is villager

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:33 am**

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:28 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:26 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:22 am Kind reminder, Odd is peeked villager.
He can be mafia only if he is godfather.

If anyone thinks I didn't explain completely my ideas and something is lacking, please tell me and when I am able to play I will explain/reformulate.
Sorry when was Odd peaked?
You didn't read the thread, isn't it?

I have info Odd is villager

No I've fallen behind a little. Got two finals coming up Monday, Tuesday.

It's safe to clear Odd for now. Not worth the time to discuss wether Odd is the God father or not.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:37 am**

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:33 am It's safe to clear Odd for now.

If it's safe to clear Odd based on Michelle's peek, then it was safe to chop Allison on the previous day. That whole debacle proved that Michelle's peeks are—at the very least—not to be taken at surface value. There are so many role powers going around in this game that it's not impossible that Michelle's green peek wound up being someone else.

That's, like, the whole reason Alison is still alive.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:52 am**

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:37 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:33 am It's safe to clear Odd for now.
If it's safe to clear Odd based on Michelle's peek, then it was safe to chop Allison on the previous day. That whole debacle proved that Michelle's peeks are—at the very least—not to be taken at surface value. There are so many role powers going around in this game that Michelle's green may peek wound up being someone else.

That's, like, the whole reason Alison is still alive.

I don't know what to believe. All of this mechanical stuff is above my pay grade. With Alison's red check it was explained with a lot of mechanics, what are the chances of that explanation being BS? What are the chances of Oddmerta actually being scum and Michelle's check was messed with two nights in a row? What are the chances of Michelle lying about her check? I'm at a point in the game where I think anyone can by lying about everything.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:56 am**

Right now how many mafia are dead?
1) Marmot [KC]
2) Gavial [KC]
3) Al_Sama (Safe to assume). [?]

So that leaves us with how many more scum? 3-4? At this point in the game I think everyone has claimed, and even had their roles mechanically proven. There's too many scum and not enough unproven claims. I'm starting to think we need to move beyond these claims and go off who has been scummy.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:58 am**

Bo, is the JPIC wagon based on a similar roleclaim to LC? Do you think he's been scummy? He's been a scum-lean lean for me for a while, but after LC flipped green I've lost some faith in my ability to read.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:58 am**

I don't think jpic is above rand to be mafia

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:59 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:58 am I don't think jpic is above rand to be mafia

That's another term I keep meaning to ask about: rand. What's 'above rand'? What's '=rand'? Help computer.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:05 pm**

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:59 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:58 am I don't think jpic is above rand to be mafia
That's another term I keep meaning to ask about: rand. What's 'above rand'? What's '=rand'? Help computer.

Rand is random--as in, the chance that a given person rolled town/mafia

So above rand is higher than random, ie a read you're confident in, =rand is a read you're not confident in

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:06 pm**

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:58 am Bo, is the JPIC wagon based on a similar roleclaim to LC? Do you think he's been scummy? He's been a scum-lean lean for me for a while, but after LC flipped green I've lost some faith in my ability to read.

That's why I'm voting for JPIC. Long Con had the counter claim to being a tracker and LC is green. In a game this size what are the chances there are two town trackers? Overall his game hasn't been super scummy, but it hasn't been towny. I haven't seen a JPIC post since the start of the game that pinged me town. His dissapearance lately isn't great either, iirc someone made a good meta read on that (I'll see if I can find it).

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:06 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:05 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:59 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:58 am I don't think jpic is above rand to be mafia
That's another term I keep meaning to ask about: rand. What's 'above rand'? What's '=rand'? Help computer.
Rand is random--as in, the chance that a given person rolled town/mafia

So above rand is higher than random, ie a read you're confident in, =rand is a read you're not confident in

Thankee-sai.

Why do think JPIC is not above rand, then?

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:07 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:05 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:59 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:58 am I don't think jpic is above rand to be mafia
That's another term I keep meaning to ask about: rand. What's 'above rand'? What's '=rand'? Help computer.
Rand is random--as in, the chance that a given person rolled town/mafia

So above rand is higher than random, ie a read you're confident in, =rand is a read you're not confident in

So you don't think he's scum?

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:08 pm**

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:06 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:58 am Bo, is the JPIC wagon based on a similar roleclaim to LC? Do you think he's been scummy? He's been a scum-lean lean for me for a while, but after LC flipped green I've lost some faith in my ability to read.
That's why I'm voting for JPIC. Long Con had the counter claim to being a tracker and LC is green. In a game this size what are the chances there are two town trackers? Overall his game hasn't been super scummy, but it hasn't been towny. I haven't seen a JPIC post since the start of the game that pinged me town. His dissapearance lately isn't great either, iirc someone made a good meta read on that (I'll see if I can find it).

I remember that meta read, and it seemed reasonable. I have no concept of time anymore, so I don't know where in the 198 pages it could be.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:10 pm**

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:06 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:58 am Bo, is the JPIC wagon based on a similar roleclaim to LC? Do you think he's been scummy? He's been a scum-lean lean for me for a while, but after LC flipped green I've lost some faith in my ability to read.
That's why I'm voting for JPIC. Long Con had the counter claim to being a tracker and LC is green. In a game this size what are the chances there are two town trackers? Overall his game hasn't been super scummy, but it hasn't been towny. I haven't seen a JPIC post since the start of the game that pinged me town. His dissapearance lately isn't great either, iirc someone made a good meta read on that (I'll see if I can find it).

This is the first game we have played together., i dunno how you can call the meta read good

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:11 pm**

Also, dunno why im being voted out when I contributed in yeeting dom/gavial

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:12 pm**

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:08 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:06 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:58 am Bo, is the JPIC wagon based on a similar roleclaim to LC? Do you think he's been scummy? He's been a scum-lean lean for me for a while, but after LC flipped green I've lost some faith in my ability to read.
That's why I'm voting for JPIC. Long Con had the counter claim to being a tracker and LC is green. In a game this size what are the chances there are two town trackers? Overall his game hasn't been super scummy, but it hasn't been towny. I haven't seen a JPIC post since the start of the game that pinged me town. His dissapearance lately isn't great either, iirc someone made a good meta read on that (I'll see if I can find it).
I remember that meta read, and it seemed reasonable. I have no concept of time anymore, so I don't know where in the 198 pages it could be.

Yeah I have no idea where it is or who wrote it lol

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:10 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:06 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:58 am Bo, is the JPIC wagon based on a similar roleclaim to LC? Do you think he's been scummy? He's been a scum-lean lean for me for a while, but after LC flipped green I've lost some faith in my ability to read.
That's why I'm voting for JPIC. Long Con had the counter claim to being a tracker and LC is green. In a game this size what are the chances there are two town trackers? Overall his game hasn't been super scummy, but it hasn't been towny. I haven't seen a JPIC post since the start of the game that pinged me town. His dissapearance lately isn't great either, iirc someone made a good meta read on that (I'll see if I can find it).
This is the first game we have played together., i dunno how you can call the meta read good

It's not my meta on you. It's meta on you that made sense.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:12 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:11 pm Also, dunno why im being voted out when I contributed in yeeting dom/gavial

Well, I mean, two mafia teams. The other team had just as much investment in yeeting Domvial as we did.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:13 pm**

I voted for Gavial I think that should make me lock town :wowee:

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:14 pm**

We don’t even know it is multiball

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:15 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:14 pm We don’t even know it is multiball

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Why is this suddenly coming back into question?

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:16 pm**

Have we seen a second mafia team flip?

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:18 pm**

The first person who ‘confirmed’ multiball was a thing was a flipped wolf. He must have no incentive to lie

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:19 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:16 pm Have we seen a second mafia team flip?

I seem to recall several indicators that it's multiball, not the least of which is the night where three players were NK'd and there as an attempt on a fourth.

I thought this was universally acknowledged.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:20 pm**

Also literally one person didn't vote for Gavidom; voting for him dun't make anyone special.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:20 pm**

Yeah and only one person died last night?

It’s possible that wolves just have/had extra kp as a one-shot

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:21 pm**

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:20 pm Also literally one person didn't vote for Gavidom; voting for him dun't make anyone special.

It’s not about the vote but me tracking nook to dom which confirmed nook wasn’t blocked

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:23 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:21 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:20 pm Also literally one person didn't vote for Gavidom; voting for him dun't make anyone special.
It’s not about the vote but me tracking nook to dom which confirmed nook wasn’t blocked

That doesn't confirm that you're town.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:24 pm**

JPIC, right now, is your best argument that you're town because you tracked Nanook and the game might not actually be multiball?

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:25 pm**

Why not? Why would i bury my teammate like that for no reason

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:26 pm**

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:24 pm JPIC, right now, is your best argument that you're town because you tracked Nanook and the game might not actually be multiball?

Playing devils advocate and im in the ‘other team’, who are my partners?

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:28 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:26 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:24 pm JPIC, right now, is your best argument that you're town because you tracked Nanook and the game might not actually be multiball?
Playing devils advocate and im in the ‘other team’, who are my partners?

I would have to read back through the entire thread, but GTH I'd say Esooa and Oddmerta.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:28 pm**

Would you give us all the reasons why you doubt that this game is multiball?

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:31 pm**

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:28 pm Would you give us all the reasons why you doubt that this game is multiball?

The main reason being that we haven’t seen a second mafia team flip is pretty compelling :wowee:

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:31 pm**

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:28 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:26 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:24 pm JPIC, right now, is your best argument that you're town because you tracked Nanook and the game might not actually be multiball?
Playing devils advocate and im in the ‘other team’, who are my partners?
I would have to read back through the entire thread, but GTH I'd say Esooa and Oddmerta.

Odd and myself are never partners together with how D1 went down. Try again

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:33 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:31 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:28 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:26 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:24 pm JPIC, right now, is your best argument that you're town because you tracked Nanook and the game might not actually be multiball?
Playing devils advocate and im in the ‘other team’, who are my partners?
I would have to read back through the entire thread, but GTH I'd say Esooa and Oddmerta.
Odd and myself are never partners together with how D1 went down. Try again

Refresh my memory.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:34 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:31 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:28 pm Would you give us all the reasons why you doubt that this game is multiball?
The main reason being that we haven’t seen a second mafia team flip is pretty compelling :wowee:

Okay, so in a 20-player game, how big is the scum team, and who's on it? Is there a 3P? Who's your strongest read for the 3P?

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:34 pm**

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:33 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:31 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:28 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:26 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:24 pm JPIC, right now, is your best argument that you're town because you tracked Nanook and the game might not actually be multiball?
Playing devils advocate and im in the ‘other team’, who are my partners?
I would have to read back through the entire thread, but GTH I'd say Esooa and Oddmerta.
Odd and myself are never partners together with how D1 went down. Try again
Refresh my memory.

He shaded me the entire phase and misrepresented my posts. Also, he’s peeked green lol

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:37 pm**

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:34 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:31 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:28 pm Would you give us all the reasons why you doubt that this game is multiball?
The main reason being that we haven’t seen a second mafia team flip is pretty compelling :wowee:
Okay, so in a 20-player game, how big is the scum team, and who's on it? Is there a 3P? Who's your strongest read for the 3P?

There could be 3P but I don’t know the flavour well-enough for it to make sense.

In a 22 player game i think maybe 5 wolves?

We have:
Dom
Marmot
Al (think we can reasonably agree he is mafia?)

Other two I’d say finger or boknows. Wouldn’t be shocked if there is at least one mafia in the troopers.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:43 pm**

Are 4:1 or 5:1 town:scum ratios common on The Syndicate? That seems steep, even with all the mech.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:44 pm**

Did JPIC track Nanook to Dom?

When Dom/Gav role takes a hit the whole KC Mafia know about it, could be an opportunity to get some town cred off of a doomed teammate.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:45 pm**

Rule of thumb i have always adhered to is that 1/4 of the game is not town

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:46 pm**

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:44 pm Did JPIC track Nanook to Dom?

When Dom/Gav role takes a hit the whole KC Mafia know about it, could be an opportunity to get some town cred off of a doomed teammate.

I did track nook.

I also claimed nook tried to kill someone BEFORE he confirmed it.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:48 pm**

If I was mafia i also bussed my teammate marmot heavily d1

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:49 pm**

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:44 pm Did JPIC track Nanook to Dom?

When Dom/Gav role takes a hit the whole KC Mafia know about it, could be an opportunity to get some town cred off of a doomed teammate.

How do you know this?

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:49 pm**

If we’re in multiball we have an unaccounted kill last night

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:51 pm**

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:49 pm
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:44 pm Did JPIC track Nanook to Dom?

When Dom/Gav role takes a hit the whole KC Mafia know about it, could be an opportunity to get some town cred off of a doomed teammate.
How do you know this?

I read Dom's rolesheet

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